Afghanistan and the Future of the War Against Islamism

With the shocking rise of “green on blue” attacks in Afghanistan – incidents where Afghans trained and armed by us murder our troops in cold blood – it is time (probably way past time) to completely re-assess our goals in this war.  Long time readers will remember that my basic premise for supporting the war was a conviction on my part that the average, everyday Muslim pretty much wanted what the average, everyday non-Muslim wanted:  peace and prosperity and a bright future for the children.  Given this premise, I felt that if we could get in to several Muslim countries and overthrow their corrupt, cruel governments and give the Muslims a genuine choice, they would choose correctly.  I do believe, ultimately, that this is the correct view – but given the nature of American politics with our liberals determined that any use of military force is wrong, it is not practical for the United States to pursue it.  Liberals gum up the works – war is a brutal, hard business and part of the process is killing and humiliating people.  Liberals insist that we never humiliate and kill only in impossible conditions.  The liberals have won, again; just as they won on the Vietnam issue.  Congratulations, liberals!

Given our inability to properly fight the war, the fall of old tyrannies in the Muslim world has eventuated not in a hoped-for improvement, but an increase of barbarism.  Our weakness – insisted upon by liberals – has led to a convincing propaganda line for the Islamists:  “see, we beat these weakling Americans; follow us to Islamic glory”.  The upshot of our failure is a dramatic and disgusting rise of Islamist barbarism – more and more Muslims murdered and oppressed but, also, non-Muslims subjected to ever more horrific torments.  In the past week I’ve read stories of a Christian doctor nearly beaten to death because he took a drink of water during Ramadan (forbidden during the day to Muslims,  but the guy wasn’t a Muslim) and of a 12 year old Christian girl who is under threat of the death penalty because a Muslim boy she refused to sleep with cooked up a blasphemy charge against her.  That is just two drops in a hideous ocean of persecution.  I see no way forward at the moment for our military to secure what would be American victory – we’ve tied ourselves in to too many knots, we’ve handed the Islamists too many trump cards and we’ve entirely lost the momentum of victory we once had.  Obama will just stumble along in his blind, ignorant way – what Romney will do remains unknown.  My view is that it is time to withdraw as swiftly as possible – taking with us any Muslims who want to live a civilized life, but getting out in the shortest possible time with the least amount of fuss.

After we do get out, this is going to get a heck of a lot worse before it gets any better.  Sorry, liberals, but the reason the Islamists act as they do is not in response to our actions but in service of their Islamist goals – they are hate-filled, greedy, corrupt barbarians.  They are just like that and will remain like that until killed.  Already Islamists in Libya are destroying works of art deemed un-Islamic while in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood government starts to implement Islamism…and none of us know what horrors will emerge in the post-Assad regime of Syrian.  The Taliban will likely come back to power in Afghanistan (probably invited in to power by Karzai who seems these days mostly interested in preserving himself in power, cost what it might).  The mullahs of Iran continue to flex their muscle.  In the final analysis as Islamism grows and gets a tighter grip on the Muslim world we can expect an eventual attempt to attack us here at home.  Actually, a lot of attempts.  Most will be thwarted.  Eventually, they will get through and we’ll have some sort of replay of 9/11.

And then the war will resume – and when it does (not if, but when – its as certain as night following day) then it is to be hoped that we’ll do it differently.  In hindsight, the primary failure of the Bush war policy was a failure to attack all of Islamism at once.  On September 12th he should have asked a joint session of Congress for declarations of war on Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan – take on the whole problem and not try to treat it as a series of separate, country-by-country events; the Islamists don’t view the Muslim countries as in any way legitimate and so neither should we.  By so doing we would have unified all Islamists against us, except for the fact that they already were…but we would have had the great advantage of being able to attack all of them at once as well as raising an army large enough to physically conquer the entirely of Islamist territory thus preventing one Islamist area from supporting Islamist insurgency in an American-controlled area (which was our problem in Iraq and is now our problem in Afghanistan).  If the Islamists attack us at home again, that is what we must do (though we can now add Egypt to the list of nations to declare war on as they have gone Islamist):  declare war on them all, fight them all, kill and humiliate them all.  That is the way wars are fought and won – and by doing it in such a manner we’d prevent liberalism from gumming it up (we’d be moving too fast on too many fronts without any apparent stagnation to allow liberalism to make its absurd case against war).

That will be as it will – but the main thing for now is to get out.  Unless we want to pour in 100,000 more troops and start exterminating Islamists in great, big bloody batches, I don’t want our soldiers to remain in Afghanistan.  They’ve done magnificent work and almost made even Obama’s slipshod policy a success.  But there’s nothing for it, now:  Obama won’t do what is necessary to win and it is unlikely that Romney will be able to, either.  If troops can’t fight for victory, better to not fight at all.  Bring them home.

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15 thoughts on “Afghanistan and the Future of the War Against Islamism

  1. Cluster August 28, 2012 / 11:52 am

    ….a conviction on my part that the average, everyday Muslim pretty much wanted what the average, everyday non-Muslim wanted: peace and prosperity and a bright future for the children.

    Good thread Mark, but I am not sure I can agree with this premise anymore. I use to, but no longer as I have seen too much actions on behalf of Muslims to the contrary, even right here in my hometown.

    The answer is no longer to have boots on the ground, that is simply a recipe for more mayhem and too much loss of American life. I don’t want another American killed trying to help these ingrates and neanderthals. What we need to do, is pull every American out of the barbaric middle east, including ambassadors, missionaries, military, etc.- ie; everyone. We should then strengthen our presence in Israel, and let the Muslims know in very absolute terms that if they choose to attack Israel or America, our response will come in the form of a nuclear weapon, and it will be merciless.

    The ball then is in their court, and the entire world will know it. If they choose peace, then they will have peace. If they choose conflict, we will obliterate them.

    • Mark Edward Noonan August 28, 2012 / 12:50 pm

      Cluster,

      The fact that Muslims in the United States almost invariably are decent, hard-working people still gives me hope that civilization can be implanted in the Muslim world. But when it does come to fighting them in the future (and it will) then we must treat them as we treated Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan – unrelenting application of every ounce of American power until they are as beaten down as the Japanese and Germans were. Then we can re-cast the Muslim world as we like – and my view is that even after that sort of drubbing they will not be worthy of trust…so best thing to do upon the morrow of victory is to partition the Muslim lands to provide independent nations for the non-Muslims (this would be south Egypt, south Lebanon and Assyria, primarily) and then just leave the Muslims to stew in their rubble.

      • Cluster August 28, 2012 / 12:56 pm

        That sounds like too much work to me in terms of nation building. I prefer we just annihilate them if they choose to get aggressive again and let them sort out their own dysfunctional society.

      • neocon1 August 28, 2012 / 1:13 pm

        Mark
        you cant be a muzzi and be peaceful, wait until they have enough numbers then they will show their satanic heads.
        I am with Cluster on this one….

        Israel? Neutron bombs custom made for throngs of jihadists wanting to fly to allah babba

      • Mark Edward Noonan August 28, 2012 / 2:07 pm

        Cluster,

        It would be nation-building for the Christians living in the Muslim world – but that would be easy as Christians are civilized and once freed from Muslim oppression, they’d build up viable nations very quickly.

      • Cluster August 28, 2012 / 2:17 pm

        Mark – I love ya man, but I think you are way too optimistic on this one. That society has festered it’s own bile for thousands of years and I just don’t think we can do anything for them anymore.

      • Cluster August 28, 2012 / 3:41 pm

        But I will add Mark that I hope you’re right? I hope the Christians in the ME could rebuild.

      • neocon1 August 28, 2012 / 5:02 pm

        I hope the Christians in the ME could rebuild.

        They will
        starting AFTER Armageddon…..

      • Mark Edward Noonan August 28, 2012 / 8:20 pm

        Cluster,

        Those Christians who still live in the Muslim world were once upon a time Romans…they’ll rebuild just fine, once freed from Islamic domination.

    • David September 17, 2012 / 7:01 pm

      ever heard of fallout clouds and winds? I mean I like the idea dont get me wrong..Everywhere you look Muslims having a hissy fit over something while the rest world is held prisioner, because we dont want to make them mad.

  2. J. R. Babcock August 28, 2012 / 6:11 pm

    Mark, how about we look at this from a different angle. There were 1.6 Muslims and 1.2 billion Catholics in 2010. Roughly 10% of Muslims are engaged in or openly support radical, violent jihad. Roughly .0000001% of Catholics are engaged in or openly support killing anyone who doesn’t agree with them on a religious basis. Catholics’ birth rate is such that, in most of the world, they aren’t replacing themselves, while Muslims are breeding like rabbits. What could possibly go wrong in the next 20 years?

    • Mark Edward Noonan August 28, 2012 / 8:19 pm

      JR

      In Europe and parts of the Americas Catholics have a low birth rate – but in Africa and Asia and in parts of the Americas the Catholic birth rate is good…meanwhile, the curiosity is that the Islamic birthrate is dropping like a rock…Iran is already well below replacement level and other Muslim nations are following them down to demographic destruction. I do believe that Mohammed’s heresy is at last about to die…but it will cause us to fight one more big war of Islam vs West before it is done.

  3. Jeremiah August 28, 2012 / 9:07 pm

    There are microchip implants that allow Islamic terrorists to speak to God.

    The implant is specifically designed to be injected in the forehead.
    When properly installed it will allow the jihadist to speak to God.

    It comes in a variety of sizes…which usually range between .223 and 50 cal., or higher.

    • David September 17, 2012 / 7:03 pm

      nice

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