Post Election Open Thread

A bit of a re-write, because initially this thread was ungraciously titled.  Listening to Romney speak tonight reminded me that we’re bigger than that.

Obama has won a narrow victory – with the exceptional rarity of a President winning a 2nd term with a lower vote total than he won his first term with.  We on our side clearly did not put together a good enough program to convince a solid majority that we were best for the nation – but neither did Obama.  He got it together and managed to get the win, but it is a hollow victory.

Our liberals are convinced that now all the Hope and Change of 2008 will finally come to pass – that some how or another the policies which have failed so miserably over the past four years will now bear fruit.  I don’t see how anyone can rationally believe that – I can understand having faith, but not having faith in policies which have never worked, not even once.  But, now they’ve got their chance.  Obama is inheriting Obama – if his brand of economic policies work then we’ll know for certain by election day, 2016.

A lot of conservatives will now start to pan Romney.  I won’t.  He ran an excellent campaign and I don’t see a real mis-step.  Sure, we can all look back with 20/20 hindsight and say he should have done this, that or the other thing…but as it was unfolding, I don’t see what was missed.  I thought we had this thing won.  I’m still flabbergasted that we didn’t.  But I won’t spend any time or effort re-hashing what happened.

The things we need to work on are many – to just name a few:

1.  Yes, we need to have an amnesty for illegals.  Don’t look all shocked: I’ve been advocating for it since 2007.  I know all the arguments against – but none of them work against the stark reality that there are 10 million of them here, many of which have been long domiciled in the United States.  Secure the border, amnesty the otherwise law-abiding illegals we have and then ensure that no more illegals can get in.  This is not a play for Latino votes – this is a rational way to get the entire issue off the table while at the same time adhering to our finest national ideals.  We must amend the Constitution to change the definition of citizen to read, “all persons born of an American citizen are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside”.

2.  We need to break our ties entirely with Big Business – to make it clear that Big Government and Big Business are two exceptionally nasty sides of the same disgusting coin; that they, together, are ruining our nation and they both must go if we are ever to really recover our prosperity and our freedom.  Big Government includes Big Government Union, by the way – we must continue the fight that Walker has started and carry it to total, nationwide victory.  Democrats live and die by Big Government and Big Business – destroy them and we destroy the Democrat party as it is currently constituted.

3.  We must start to work, on a State-by-State level, for a Freedom of Conscience Restoration Amendment to the Constitution – to ensure that no matter what cockamamie ideas our liberals come up with that our religious bodies – in the widest possible definition – are entirely immune from government dictates.

4.  We must attack and attack and then attack some more the growing immorality in our popular culture.  As part of the war against Big Business we must point out that the nauseating filth in our popular culture is brought to us by Big Business in order to make profits off the ruination of people’s lives.

There is plenty more – all of it needs to be worked on.  All of it can be done.

So, stout hearts an in to the future with confidence.

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163 thoughts on “Post Election Open Thread

  1. Jeremiah November 7, 2012 / 2:40 pm

    It must feel pretty good to be as dumb and delusional as those people who voted for Obama.

    I’m thankful that I still have my brain-cells intact, as opposed to Liberals who got caught in a dryer vent and all their bran-cells sucked out.

    • 01canadianobserver November 7, 2012 / 3:01 pm

      Jeremiah, why do you think your God abandoned Romney in favor of President Obama? It’s strange to think He would allow brainless, dumb and delusional Liberals to successfully elect someone who is out to ruin a God-fearing, gun-toting country like the U.S. Does this make you question your faith, or are you satisfied that He knows what He is doing?

      • neocon01 November 7, 2012 / 4:56 pm

        kanuckommie

        God punishes sin, it rains on the good as it does on the bad.
        the donk party is the party of evil. You of all people should know that.

      • Amazona November 8, 2012 / 12:14 pm

        CO, your pathetic effort at sarcasm falls far short of the biting commentary you probably imagine it to be.

        If you believe in a random universe, where your life is nothing but a fleeting blip with no meaning beyond its short span, and where nothing is part of a larger meaning, then go right ahead.

        But when you try to ridicule those with different beliefs, in a post such as yours, all you do is illustrate a very nasty bigotry about religious belief, as well as abject ignorance of it.

        i can’t imagine a single person of faith construing this election as God “abandoning” Mitt Romney. What a strange and bizarre conclusion!

        Of course anyone of faith DOES believe that there are reasons for everything that happens, and the inability to recognize those reasons by people, particularly people so close to the event in both time and space, is hardly proof that there is no reason at all.

        I suggest that you restrain your substitution of sneering and snarling for actual political content to things other than attacks on religion and people of faith, as when you wander into the unfamiliar territory of respect for the beliefs of others you do nothing more than showcase your ignorance and bigotry.

  2. Retired Spook November 7, 2012 / 2:51 pm

    Caught this gem in the middle of the election story on my home page today:

    Every newly elected president claims a mandate, and Obama can point to the roughly $1 billion that Mitt Romney and his GOP allies spent trying to oust him. Yet, for all its tactical brilliance, Obama’s campaign was built on relatively modest ideas. It focused on helping the middle class, which is a coalition of identity, not ideology.

    I’d love for one of our resident Lefties to explain to me how expanding the entitlement class and punishing the wealthy will “help the middle class”.

  3. Jeremiah November 7, 2012 / 2:54 pm

    One thing about this, people like Casper, Canadian Observer, James, Jonathan, Diane, Freddie Schwartz putz…when the economy goes south, which it is currently doing, as we speak, and the tribulation sets in, these people won’t last very long, they’ll go quick…but a lot of us will have to endure some very harsh times until our time comes.

  4. Retired Spook November 7, 2012 / 3:40 pm

    The markets don’t much like the prospects of another 4 years of Barry and the Boyz. All major indices off over 2%. And oil is off 5%, which, according to all our resident Libs, is a sign of a weakening economy.

  5. swiftlyjonathan November 7, 2012 / 4:07 pm

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    • neocon01 November 7, 2012 / 4:16 pm

      notswiftsasan

      this is simple,

      say 5 million people scattered through a state some GOP, some donk.
      95% county’s go red.

      same state, 6 million innercity plantation dwellers, gang bangers, sodomites, uneducated drones, looters and takers voting lockstep to keep on the teat of OPM. (ubama phones and free rent).

      the STATE by countys are solid are GOP but outnumbered by 2-3 large citys they are pushed blue….so we have two Americas.
      the REAL America and the plantation america who now outnumber us.

  6. Jeremiah November 7, 2012 / 8:05 pm

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

    ~Benjamin Franklin

    That is the problem with America today….they vote themselves contraception over an education…they allow their genitals to do their thinking for them. Pitiful. I mean brain-dead pieces of garbage. They voted in that son of a sack of white trash Obama. They vote for welfare, disability, and single-payer healthcare, and now the quality of healthcare will go swiftly out the door, along with the sky-rocketing of taxes on working families.

    Not only that, but look at the millions of young people who have been brainwashed.
    Seriously! Take a look at that.

    I hope my friends who can see this are prepared for what’s coming.

  7. Amazona November 8, 2012 / 11:10 am

    I was visiting with friends last night, and of course the main topic was our bewilderment that so many people had voted for four more years of the same misery that has dragged this nation down for the last four.

    I finally admitted my little secret—that once I got over the amazement at the stupidity of the American public, I found myself feeling a sense of relief.

    Oh, I fought hard to get Romney elected, I talked to people, I donated thousands of dollars, and I really wanted him to win. But at the same time, I understood what winning would mean—it would mean, to use a beloved Lefty term, ‘INHERITING the worse economic recovery in our history”, which would have been OK. I mean, Romney et al could have handled that.

    But the nation is only on the brink of collapse. We have not yet actually experienced the devastation to the economy of the implementation of Obamacare, we have not yet experienced the impact of penalizing the Employment Class, we have not yet come to understand that so many of the jobs Obama claims to have created he actually DID create—by inventing new government jobs and putting those people on the government payroll, to be paid not by business but by us as taxpayers. We have only had a couple of terrorist attacks on Americans on American soil, both of which have been small enough to have been swept under the rug by the administration and the Complicit Agenda Media, so the sheeple out there who depend on the networks for their “news” really don’t understand how weak and vulnerable we are.

    The struggle, the massive job, to fix these things could have and would have been successful, but it would have been like running a marathon with a ball and chain attached to our ankles, as the RRL machine would have been hounding us, howling its rage, nipping at our ankles, setting up speed bumps and trip wires, and because the situation at election time was still kind of on the edge of complete disaster would have been able to rally lots of the ignorant to their assistance. The Left would have been able to claim that Obamacare WOULD have worked, if the eeeeevil Right had just given it time. They could claim that their “plan” was STARTING to have an effect, but the eeeevil Right derailed it before it could prove its success.

    We need to take over when there is no doubt about the abject failure of the Leftist agenda.

    The job of doing this while at the same time rebuilding the GOP for the midterms would have been quite daunting. There is a sense of relief at knowing that now there is only one big job, which is to figure out how to slap the GOP leadership into the realization that they are pathetic at getting our message out, and into changing its tunnel-vision approach, while letting the House constrain the radical efforts of the Obamabots to fundamentally transform the nation.

    Sadly, I do believe that we need to hit rock bottom before many Americans realize that they, themselves, built the machine to take us there, and decide to shift gears. I think it will take more attacks on a weakened nation which has sent out the message that there is no real downside to attacking us, and it will take more deaths and more economic misery to wake these people up and dispel the Magical Thinking that just because something has never worked it might work this time.

    Without a strong, overwhelming, mandate this election cycle our job would have been much harder than just fixing what is wrong. I think the next four years will set up a mandate so massive that we will have much less opposition to doing the work that will need to be done, and in the meantime we can use this failure to either reform the GOP or move away from it to form a new party with a clearer vision of what the nation needs to regain its identity.

    • Retired Spook November 8, 2012 / 11:39 am

      Amazona,

      I’ve been saying for quite some time now that the only way Progressivism will ever be defeated is either a multi-generational effort to reverse the damage they’ve done by regaining control of the educational system and the courts or by some sort of economic or societal reset. I don’t think we, as a country, have the wherewithall to take the first route, but I agree with you that the second route will happen automatically if we just keep our powder dry and get out of the way.

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