Connecticut School Shooting

Just absolutely horrific:

Twenty-seven people are dead, including at least 18 children, after a gunman opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, CBS News reported.

Officials say the gunman, who apparently had two guns, was also killed. It happened around 9:40 a.m. Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School..

Web chatter indicates there might have been a second gunman.  We’ll have to see.  Please pray for the families.

UPDATE:

A Prayer To The Holy Innocents

Holy Innocents, you died before you were old enough to know what life means, pray for all children who die young that God may gather them into His loving arms.

Holy Innocents, you were killed because one man was filled with hatred, pray for those who hate that God may touch their hearts and fill them with love.

Holy Innocents, you experienced a violent death, pray for all who are affected by violence that they may find peace and love.

Holy Innocents, your parents grieved for you with deep and lasting sorrow, pray for all parents who have lost young children that God may wrap a warm blanket of comfort around them.

Holy Innocents, those around you certainly felt helpless to prevent your deaths, pray for all who feel helpless in their circumstances that they may cling to God for courage and hope.

Holy Innocents, you who are now in Heaven, pray for all of us that one day we may join you there to bask in God’s love forever.

Amen.

UPDATE II:  Predictably, some are trying to make a political case right away – probably in service to someone’s idea of never letting a crisis go to waste.  Seriously, people, start to think a bit.  First off, guns can’t be banned without a constitutional amendment, which would never in a million years be enacted…and if the government tried to go ahead and ban them, anyway, you’re just not going to get them out of the approximately 200 million Americans who have them.  Secondly, can you lay off for just a day or two?  At least until the bodies get cold?  A gigantic, unimaginable tragedy has just occurred and the 2014 mid-terms are nearly two years away…whatever points you think you’re scoring right now, they are at best just a waste of time.

UPDATE III:

The human heart has depths from which schemes of unheard-of ferocity sometimes emerge, capable of destroying in a moment the normal daily life of a people. But faith comes to our aid at these times when words seem to fail. Christ’s word is the only one that can give a response to the questions which trouble our spirit. Even if the forces of darkness appear to prevail, those who believe in God know that evil and death do not have the final say. Christian hope is based on this truth; at this time our prayerful trust draws strength from it. —Blessed John Paul II

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112 thoughts on “Connecticut School Shooting

  1. Cluster December 14, 2012 / 3:16 pm

    Senseless tragedy. It’s an absolute shame.

    Not that this is the cause of this tragedy, but it just reminds me once again that we REALLY need to stop demonizing “others” in our society. This “war on women”, “war on minorities”, “war on the rich”, etc. rhetoric only serves to inflame and enrage those who are incapable of processing it. I heard a liberal caller on Rush yesterday who said that many of her friends literally believe that conservatives want to roll back the clock on women’s issues and minorities, and impose some level of theocracy. It’s just mind boggling that people do actually believe that and I fault conservatives for not actively dispelling what the liberal media and the Democrats plant in these fertile minds. The union violence in MI the other day is another good example. What is so wrong with giving workers the “CHOICE” to join a union or not? Yet the liberal media paints this issue as a life or death issue – it’s just wrong. Chris Matthews was absolutely shameful the other night how he framed this issue.

    We need to start arguing about the best way to govern the country, and stop arguing about childish misperceptions. AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE CONTENT THEIR CHARACTER, NOT BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. Someone said that a few decades ago, yet just this morning I heard Steven A Smith referring to RG III’s “blackness”.

    • j6206 December 14, 2012 / 4:25 pm

      I agree with what you are saying Cluster but you need to stop listening to Rush, he is not helping anyone but his bottom line.

      • Amazona December 14, 2012 / 5:04 pm

        Ooooh, the dreaded “bottom line”. PROFIT (gasp!)

        While I am not a huge Rush fan, it is because of his personality and his tendency to repeat things over and over. But I have never found fault with his facts, other than his original claim that Sandra Fluke wanted birth control to assist her in her sexual escapades.

        The simple fact is that Rush does provide information, faster and often more accurately, than most other news sources.

      • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:09 pm

        j6913

        Rush? Riiight pee wee

        lib donk racist jamie foxx I get to KILL ALL the WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

        the killer must have seen the movie…

      • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:55 pm

        but they are not nearly as influential as El Rushbo.

        Ubama and the Mooch arent? gee who’d a thought.

        actually SHOW us some of Rush’s stirred up SHIITE that would encourage some one to commit mass murder.

        then I will give you 10,000 counter examples fron the left side includion the POS, mooch, union “leaders” “pastors” TV , radio kooks and of course the “reverands” from je$$ah , al, louie, wright to congress critters and senators…….

        I’ll be waiting for Rush’s quotes.

      • Cluster December 14, 2012 / 6:29 pm

        J620,

        You might want to start listening to Rush, stop worrying about his bottom line, and stop telling others what to do. Those who actually do listen to Rush know him to be a man of compassion, intellect, and great insight into the human psyche and body politic. There is a reason why he has been so successful for so long.

    • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:30 pm

      Cluster

      Not that this is the cause of this tragedy

      the “tragedy” was the result of a CRIME. as are all murders.

      gun free zones leave the victims open to those who didnt pay attention to the sign.

  2. Jeremiah December 14, 2012 / 3:26 pm

    This is awful.
    When I saw this this morning chill bumps came all over me, and my stomach dropped.

    How sad, an entire classroom of kindergartners died this morning.

    Many prayers going up for the families who lost loved ones in this tragedy.

    We are not safe anywhere anymore…whether shopping, or at school, or at the theater, or just simply taking a walk around the block. We are in danger of being murdered by people who are sick and demented.

    I fear now for my own right to keep and bear arms. Our liberal controlled government is going to go to the extent of banning firearms from our homes for personal protection, while the criminals will continue to get them from their inner circles, and drug/weapon cartels.

    Things are continuing to brew…more and more people are losing it…more and more the people in favor of communism are calling for stricter gun control laws. More and more we are in danger as free citizens of America.

    • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:32 pm

      Jer

      We are not safe anywhere anymore…whether shopping, or at school, or at the theater, or just simply taking a walk around the block. We are in danger of being murdered by people who are sick and demented.

      if every other 3 rd person or so were armed, things like this would come to a screeching halt.

      • Jeremiah December 14, 2012 / 6:49 pm

        Neo,

        True, that.

  3. Amazona December 14, 2012 / 4:58 pm

    Of course the root problem will be ignored and guns will be blamed, just as Bush was blamed for the financial collapse and not the legislation mandating foolish lending practices.

    Hunters don’t commit mass murders, and neither do farmers and ranchers who have personal experience with death, up close and personal. What we deal with are people, now into the second generation, who have grown up play-killing for fun. Instead of handling guns as a matter of course and living close to life and death, killing for food, slaughtering livestock, even putting down animals for humane reasons, and having actual EXPERIENCE with the reality of death, we have people growing up in isolation, huddled in dark rooms over video games in which death is fun, death is a game, death is how you keep score to know if you are winning—where the gory death of a virtual enemy is celebrated.

    When the Columbine murders occurred, there was great outrage at the very idea that violent video games could have played a part, and the Complicit Agenda Media was quite quick to skim over the fact that Nintendo got its first big break when it got a DoD contract to design a video game that would desensitize soldiers to the reality of killing other human beings. The military had had a lot of trouble getting its soldiers to transition from target shooting to overcoming the hesitation to shoot a fellow human being. Human-shaped targets were a start, but it took the reality of virtual killing with realistic graphics and the reward system of points and various instantaneous audio and visual rewards of starbursts and cheers and so on to really erode the inherent reluctance of people to kill other people.

    So in the name of entertainment we have created a generation of people who have been carefully trained to think of killing as fun, dehumanized people disconnected from the reality of death and seeing it only as a game or a way to gain notoriety in a society in which fame, no matter how it is achieved, is a goal.

    Additionally, there is the determination to devalue human life by claiming it has no inherent value, and is subject to the whims of people who will benefit by ending it. The very concept of state-sanctioned infanticide is so abhorrent, so antithetical to not just human nature but to animal nature, that it has taken decades to desensitize millions into accepting this as nothing more than a “choice” and quite separate from the morality of taking a human life.

    We have, as a society, discarded the basic concept of sanctity of human life, and replaced it with a moral equivalency in which someone has the RIGHT to decide if another life is of any value at all, and can be ended because it is inconvenient to the decider. When the inherent value of human life is dismissed, and the “choice” of another trumps its basic right to exist, then the only thing left is to determine the parameters of this choice. When the value of human life is nothing but a “choice” to be made by someone else, and when we have people who have spent their formative years learning that killing is fun—even on a virtual level—we can’t be surprised when we see mass murders like this.

    • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:10 pm

      No God = No Good
      the absence of God = EVIL. a pretty simple equation.

      • Matthew Chiglinsky December 15, 2012 / 2:29 am

        “God” is such an empty word that hypocrites often throw around.

        I’m an atheist, and I abstain from premarital sex because I think it would bring me both physical and emotional trouble. Do you know the percentage of “Christians” who gladly leap into premarital sex because their belief in “God” is not enough to hold them back from it?

        I’m an atheist, and I also refuse to watch porn because I now realize how disrespectful it is to women, and I find it horrifying to imagine any woman I actually care about being mistreated the way so many women are these days. Can you guess the percentage of “Christians” who can’t find a good reason to resist the temptation to view pornography?

        Believing in a “God” is too simplistic. I would rather think and reason and be inspired. The Golden Rule says not to shoot people because you wouldn’t want someone to shoot you. That’s the reason I don’t shoot people. It’s also the reason I’ve never bought a gun. I don’t care if there’s a national law that says I have some “right” to buy a gun. Shooting people is vicious.

        If I was ever going to buy anything to defend myself in a dangerous situation, it would be a can of mace or an electrical stun gun, something that doesn’t do permanent damage.

        Logic, reason, and empathy beats “God”. Then again, perhaps logic, reason, and empathy are the true God.

      • Amazona December 15, 2012 / 10:34 am

        Matthew, many people like you feel that there is nothing greater than they are, and it is possible to be honorable and honest and respectful of life without a belief in a Higher Power.

        I’m always amused at the tinge of supercilious superiority that accompanies declarations like yours—-it is never just a statement of an alternative belief but also one of just being too smart and evolved to believe in a God—but the origin of atheism doesn’t really matter. From what I have seen, sometimes it is arrogance, sometimes fear, sometimes reluctance to admit to a belief system that would then have a discipline to go along with it, sometimes too large an ego to admit to something greater, and sometimes I think it is just a matter of not being touched by whatever it is that opens us up to the ability to believe. I don’t think we can just DECIDE to believe in God—it has to come to us, and for some reason it does not come to everyone, even those who lack the arrogance or ego or fear that would block it if it did.

        I see a lot of the arrogance and ego in your post, a lot of the smug conviction that you are just more enlightened, superior, way ahead of believers. You can’t just state a personal belief that shooting people is vicious—which, by the way, is a belief shared by believers and gun owners, hardly some bold statement—but you have to announce that your reason for believing this is based on some kind of superiority of logic, reason and empathy.

        You certainly have the right to choose methods of self defense that could only work in certain very limited circumstances, while putting you at great risk. For their sake, I hope you do not have a family depending on you for safety and security while you fret about the possibility of doing “permanent harm” to someone who is threatening them. I am thinking of the church shooting in Aurora Colorado last year, where an armed guard shot and killed a murderer, limiting his body count to just one person—a situation in which your delicacy of feeling for a predator would have resulted in a great deal of “permanent harm” to many people, perhaps you or your own family.

        But that’s not worth arguing about. You are smug about your lack of belief in a Higher Power, and you are smug about your willingness to allow yourself or your loved ones to be harmed because of your deeper concern for inflicting “permanent harm” on an attacker and you are smug about your self-perceived and self-defined moral superiority and you are smug about coming here to explain it to us.

        We get it. Thank you.

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 12:59 pm

        GOOD GRIEF>>>>>>>

        The Golden Rule says not to shoot people because you wouldn’t want someone to shoot you.

        REALLY?????
        and the belief in God is too “simplistic”………..DOH X1000

      • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 3:41 pm

        Matthew,

        Amazona is right – there is a great deal of arrogance in your statement. But if you are that good a person – who is never angry, never jealous, never unfair, never lies (even a little bit) and, indeed, never sins and yet you do this without any reference to God, then I congratulate you.

    • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:15 pm

      there are over 50 shootings almost every weekend in chi cago…….this town has a long way to catch up,

      OKAY that was cruel but it was said to make a point…….there are a lot of dangerous people loose in the world, with 10 – 15 THOUSAND murders a year in America we have a major problem.

      22 children slashed by knife-wielding adult at elementary school in China..

    • neocon01 December 14, 2012 / 5:23 pm

      leftist VIOLENCE? what violence? class warfare? what class warfare?

      Union Threatens Michigan Governor: ‘We’ll Be at Your Daughter’s Soccer Game’…

      First lady on 2012 election: ‘Voter suppression was in full force in so many states all over this country’…

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 1:03 pm

        Drudge

        POLICE: ‘Good evidence’ found for motive…

        MEDS? Shooter suffered from ‘personality disorder’ …

        ‘Obviously not well’…

        Intelligent and Shy…

        Played video games…

        *Brother has told investigators that Adam was ‘autistic’…

        little WHITE boys on mind altering DRUGS….THANKS marxist re education camps!!

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 1:06 pm

        these A holes just dont get it ……..

        Bloomberg: Obama Must Take ‘Immediate Action’ Against Guns…

        HOUSE DEM: Must ‘exploit’ shooting…

        MURDOCH: ‘When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?’…

        ALEX JONES: ‘THE FIX IS IN, THEY’RE COMING FOR OUR GUNS’…

        CHICAGOLAND: 10 shot, including 4 teens, overnight…

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 1:11 pm

        For the year 2005, there were 16,692 murders in the US.

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 1:12 pm

        Nationwide, there were 14,612 murders in 2011, on average one every 36 minutes, the FBI reported.

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 1:16 pm

        Top 10 most common murder weapons

        3. Personal body weapons:

        The third most common murder weapons are body parts such hands, feet, fists and head. Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another person’s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such. In 2008 it is reported that 861 lost their lives by fatal body blows in the US.

        http://www.top10stop.com/lifestyle/top-10-most-common-murder-weapons

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 6:06 pm

        Murders in 2010: 12,996 murders, 8775 by firearms, 7,340 when you subtract out felonies and suspected felonies.

        Vehicular deaths in 2010: 32,885.

        In 2010, what percentage of the the population (308,745,538) …

        died by auto: 0.0106512%, a little more than 1/100 of a percent.

        died by firearm, not while committing a felony: 0.0023774%, a little less than 2.4 thousandths of a percent.

      • watsonthethird December 15, 2012 / 6:12 pm

        You left out number one: firearms. According to your link, more people by far are murdered with firearms in the US than by any other method.

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 6:19 pm

        yeah in da innercity

      • dbschmidt December 15, 2012 / 7:27 pm

        More people are saved (in particular women) from violent crime with firearms. IIRC, it is approximately x 2.5 persons saved versus killed. Then take away all of the suicides and the ratio increases.

        So what Watson proposes is to increase victims by 250% to possibly reduce a few murders. BTW, did they find the gun that killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman yet?

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 9:05 pm

        The TRUTH the gun banners dont want you to hear

        UCLA professor emeritus James Q. Wilson, a respected expert on crime, police practices and guns, says, “We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond a hundred thousand uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2-and-a-half or 3 million. We don’t know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it’s not a trivial number.”

        Criminologist and researcher Gary Kleck, using his own commissioned phone surveys and number extrapolation, estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns for defensive purposes each year. He further found that of those who had used guns defensively, one in six believed someone would have been dead if they had not resorted to their defensive use of firearms. That corresponds to approximately 400,000 of Kleck’s estimated 2.5 million defensive gun uses. Kleck points out that if only one-tenth of the people were right about saving a life, the number of people saved annually by guns would still be at least 40,000.

        The Department of Justice’s own National Institute of Justice study titled “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,” estimated that 1.5 million Americans use guns for defensive purposes every year

        Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2005/09/32103/#48JhlqIUmxw0u1MW.99

      • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 9:18 pm

        waspstooge

        55 MILLION AMERICAN babies MURDERED since RVW, do you weep for them?
        do you scream for control of the ghouls who butcher them or the burning of the death camps?
        WHY are these 22 more valuable than the 55 MILLION?

      • Jeremiah December 15, 2012 / 10:07 pm

        That’s where there are gun control laws…where people aren’t allowed to carry for self-defense…and thus, people are murdered by those who intend to do harm. Therefore innocent people who aren’t allowed to carry for self-defense get murdered.

      • Jeremiah December 15, 2012 / 10:07 pm

        That’s to watson.

      • Jeremiah December 15, 2012 / 10:08 pm

        Something wrong with comment placement

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 12:44 pm

        filthy D RATS

        Former Obama Official, Daily Show Writer Mock Newtown Killer’s Slain Mother
        Breitbart – Big Government ^ | Saturday, December 16, 2012 | Kerry Picket

        Andrew McLaughlin a former member of President Obama’s senior White House staff, who served as Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States, mocked Nancy Lanza, the murdered mother of the Newtown, CT massacre killer Adam Lanza, on Twitter Saturday evening:

        “The ever-brilliant Jo Miller nails it: “Thank god Nancy Lanza had a personal arsenal for her protection, or she might not be alive today.””

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:12 pm

        http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mouse-man/201007/how-easy-is-it-fake-adhd

        Another interesting wrinkle is the problem this poses for ADHD research. Take the study in question; how are the researchers to know that the participants with “true” ADHD group haven’t themselves faked their way to an ADHD diagnosis, willfully or otherwise? This could even potentially explain why some of the neuropsychological tests used did not pick up “true” ADHD.

        Oh dear, what a mess! What is to be done?

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:26 pm

        The American public schools for the last thirty years have relinquished their roles as education centers in favor of becoming left-wing, politically correct indoctrination centers.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:34 pm

        A good read before raging against the messenger…….

        Back in the 1920s, a group of German Communists started the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany. It would become known as simply the Frankfurt School. Its goal was to implement communism in the West quietly by gradually subverting popular culture — a movement known as Cultural Marxism.

        Early on, these people recognized that Christianity was the single greatest impediment to the advancement of communism in the West and they set out to destroy it by every means possible. Soviet propagandist and organizer Willi Munzenberg articulated the school’s goals:

        We will make the West so corrupt it stinks… [We will] organise the intellectuals and use them to make Western civilisation stink [sic]. Only then, after they have corrupted all its values and made life impossible, can we impose the dictatorship of the proletariat.

        Today their goal has been largely accomplished. We have been lured away from the moral anchors of our Judeo/Christian heritage, and the result is visible all around us: broken homes, endemic divorce, unwed mothers, convenience abortions, crime, drug and alcohol abuse, increasingly toxic sexual licentiousness – which brought us AIDS, among other things – and an increasingly ignorant class of people, so self-absorbed and unaware, they can’t even name our Capital.

        Our culture is indeed becoming so corrupt it stinks, and it is not surprising that evil now finds such an easy home here

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/needless_senseless_tragedy.html#ixzz2FF1QA2oq

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 2:57 pm

        I am hardly “raging”—I am merely pointing out that this event seems to have tripped your trigger and sent you off into a disjointed rant on several of your favorite topics, some of which might actually be relevant to the event in question but which are just tossed out with no context or evidence of causality and some of which seem to be just stream of consciousness spasms of outrage at whatever.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:24 pm

        Ama

        not being your caliber (high) of articulating with long posts I get right to the point.

        Maybe I should have expounded deeper to catspuke, however everything I stated is backed up as I posted later.

        here is somewhat along the lines I was inferring to when posting to caspurrrrrrr

        December 14th, 2012
        The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut

        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/14/the-federal-government-is-guilty-accomplice-in-school-shooting-in-newtown-connecticut/

      • Retired Spook December 16, 2012 / 3:27 pm

        OK, we’ll try this again. The previous attempt put it up in the middle of the thread.

        Neo,

        I love you like a brother, but Amazona has a point. You’ve proved that you can articulate what you want, when you want, as your subsequent explanations and clarifications have shown. But you often start out with totally disjointed thoughts and rhetoric that are totally lacking in context, and, absent the crystal ball Ama mentions, we can only go by what you type.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:33 pm

        Spook

        and, absent the crystal ball Ama mentions, we can only go by what you type.

        I know what I meant….. LOL

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:38 pm

        Ama and Spook

        and SOMETIMES I post ambiguous lines that can be interpreted several ways by different readers purposely.

        I like to see the reactions of thinking people who know where I am going, verses the shrieks, spasms and hair on fire reactions of the lefty trolls by them “JUST KNOWING” what I really really meant.

        99.9%of the time I can back up an allegation with searched out facts and articles.

        🙂 It’s all good……..

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 3:46 pm

        Well, you may mean well, but you do make wild leaps. I still don’t see what being a bad teacher (casper) has to do with young people going on killing sprees, or what Eric Harris has to do with the shooting in Connnecticut, or most of the connections you are trying to make.

        And when you just start randomly dumping disconnected ideas into the blog, the end result is that you lose all credibility when you later try to tie them together.

        And if you are serious about your “I Meant To Do That” defense, I would seriously rethink it, because it is extremely counterproductive. You’d be a lot better off if you were to focus on saying exactly what you mean, meaning exactly what you say, not playing games, and sorting out your random thoughts and reactions before posting them. When you post vague and incoherent idea fragments, they do not spark thought or reflection in the reader, but rather dismissal of you as someone who
        can’t be taken seriously.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:59 pm

        sometimes a good food fight is fun and certainly can be interesting.
        Not that I would do that 🙂

        Actually it is a training technique used to open up your opponent.
        Catspuke took the bait, as most lefties will.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 4:05 pm

        School shooter Adam Lanza likely on meds; labeled as having ‘personality disorder’

        The Alex Jones Channel Alex Jones Show podcast Prison Planet TV Infowars.com Twitter Alex Jones’ Facebook Infowars store

        Gun control? We need medication control!

        Mike Adams
        Natural News
        December 15, 2012

        In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.

        According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

        One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

        http://www.infowars.com/school-shooter-adam-lanza-likely-on-meds-labeled-as-having-personality-disorder/

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 4:15 pm

        Ok kiddies got to get spiffed up and take the princess to a greedy GOP, capitalist bastards, company CHRISTMAS party.

        Have a good one 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Jeremiah December 16, 2012 / 5:30 pm

        Have a good time, Neo.

        Merry Christmas to you and your family!

        God bless you!

      • neocon01 December 17, 2012 / 6:48 pm

        Jer

        thanks …we had a great time.

      • Jeremiah December 17, 2012 / 8:36 pm

        Neo,

        That’s good. 🙂

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 6:16 pm

        neo, I am glad that you finally got to a legitimate and coherent point, and I agree, it is a valid and significant one.

        In the immediate context of the predictable hysteria about guns, it might have been clearer and better presented, as it was, peripherally, in one post—that while the issue of guns is always the one the Left jumps on, the really valid issue of what we are doing to our kids, through medications, is ignored.

        There is also another issue, one I never see addressed, and that is the prevailing attitude that it is “better” for the mentally ill, and society in general, to have these people out in the general population instead of being confined, for their safety and for ours.

        I remember when this touchy-feely non-solution to the emotional distress felt by some at seeing the mentally ill institutionalized resulted in kicking these poor people out on the streets, where they could be “free”. They ended up starving, freezing, huddled in squalid rooms in old decrepit hotels and boarding houses, victimized and abused, and too often scared to death, without the necessary structure and protection offered by institutions. This is when the whole “homeless” thing started to balloon, expanding from a few drunks and bums to a whole new population of people who simply cannot survive, with any safety or dignity, on their own.

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 12:15 pm

        Neo, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you EVER think before you write?

        If you don’t know anything about autism, or the kinds of meds the guy had been on, or the reason for those meds, or the effect of those meds, then will you please just SHUT UP?

        And what the hell does Marx have to do with this, or “re education camps”?

        little WHITE boys on mind altering DRUGS….THANKS marxist re education camps!! is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post. And that is saying a lot.

        You veer so wildly between posting thoughtful and educational quotes and links, and this kind of mindless crap, sometimes I think YOU should be on meds.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:03 pm

        ama

        before swinging wildly realize you are taking my thought out of context.

        I stated …..”you and your ilk have set the stage for these psychopaths.

        SET the STAGE……..is .NOT the same as doing it.
        the teacher unions have been engaged in violent riotous assaults and battery’s, and destruction of property for all to see. T
        hey have engaged in the 1960’s style hate and venom.

        They have tossed God out of the classroom and engaged in the promotion of murderous socialism, sodomy, and racism.

        I said NOTHING ZERO ZIP NADA about autism, what i was referring to is the public schools pushing little boys onto mind altering drugs for the BS they call ADD and ADHD

        http://hyperfast.homestead.com/fakediagnosis.html

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 2:54 pm

        “…you and your ilk have set the stage for these psychopaths..”

        Not having a functional crystal ball, all I knew of your so-called “context” is what you actually typed and then sent as a post.

        If you want context, provide it.

        As for the “autism” comment, go back and look at your own words. Let me copy and paste for you:

        *Brother has told investigators that Adam was ‘autistic’…

        little WHITE boys on mind altering DRUGS….THANKS marxist re education camps!!

        “….teacher unions have been engaged in violent riotous assaults and battery’s, and destruction of property for all to see. They have engaged in the 1960′s style hate and venom.

        They have tossed God out of the classroom and engaged in the promotion of murderous socialism, sodomy, and racism….”

        You may see all this as leading to a mentally ill young man snapping and killing dozens but as you put it, it is just a random list of the same old same old—and what does “socialism, sodomy, and racism” have to do with what happened?

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:54 pm

        As for the “autism” comment, go back and look at your own words. Let me copy and paste for you:

        *Brother has told investigators that Adam was ‘autistic’…

        @ again from DRUDGE

        and what does “socialism, sodomy, and racism” have to do with what happened?

        a = the general breakdown in society, morals, beliefs, standards, and restraints…they all lead to the dead end street of what has just happened.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:06 pm

        Amazona December 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

        Neo, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you EVER think before you write?

        back at ya………*************Drudge************

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 2:20 pm

        ams

        “little WHITE boys on mind altering DRUGS….THANKS marxist re education camps!! is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post. And that is saying a lot.

        argue with him not me……

        “I am a school psychologist. and encountered a serious problem in the public schools. The presence of this problem is confirmed and supported by parents, and other school psychologists.”

        Researchers studied 30,000 children in two Virginia school districts By fifth grade,***** nearly 20% of all white male children****** were on medication for ADD/ADHD. In this case, the people who seemed to be over-diagnosing children were doctors, not teachers. Maybe this study is a good way to start the education process.

        http://www.wrightslaw.com/advoc/ltrs/ltr_schoolpsych_adhd_990902.html

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 2:55 pm

        I agree on the overmedication of our boys. I don’t see a connection between this and what happened.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:32 pm

        some do

        Prozac-like drug Luvox was being taken by teenager responsible for Littleton Columbine High School..

        On April 29 the Washington Post confirmed that Eric Harris, the leader in the Littleton tragedy, was taking the psychiatric drug Luvox at the time of the murders. On April 30 the same newspaper published a story quoting expert claims that Luvox is safe and has no association with causing violence. In fact, Luvox and closely related drugs commonly produce manic psychoses, aggression, and other behavioral abnormalities in children and young people.

        Luvox is a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) that is approved for children and youth (up to age 17) for use in the treatment of obsessive compulsive disorder. However, doctors often give it for depression, since it is in the same SSRI class as Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil.

        According to the manufacturer, Solvay, 4% of children and youth taking Luvox developed mania during short-term controlled clinical trials. Mania is a psychosis which can produce bizarre, grandiose, highly elaborated destructive plans, including mass murder. Interestingly, in a recent controlled clinical trial, Prozac produced mania in the same age group at a rate of 6%. These are very high rates for drug-induced mania–much higher than those produced in adults. Yet the risk will be even higher during long-term clinical use where medical supervision, as in the case of Harris, is much more lax than in controlled clinical trials. These drugs also produce irritability, aggression or hostility, alienation, agitation, and loss of empathy.

        Reports suggest that Eric Harris may have had a relatively good family life. If so, it adds to the probability that he was suffering from a drug-induced manic reaction caused by Luvox. The phenomenon of drug-induced manic reactions caused by antidepressants is so widely recognized that it is discussed several times in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association and many times in The Physicians’ Desk Reference.

        I have lectured widely and written extensively about violence in association with taking SSRI antidepressants in Talking Back to Prozac (St. Martin’s Press, 1994) and Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry (Springer Publishing Company, 1997).

        http://breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:46 pm

        ama
        I agree on the overmedication of our boys. I don’t see a connection between this and what happened.

        actually I have read quite a bit about it.

        THE ASSASSINATION OF OUR YOUTH

        SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, are the pharmaceutical companies latest cash cows. Their use has skyrocketed in the last ten years. Nicknamed “Chemical Babysitters” and designated anti depressants, they are causing dozens of murders, thousands of psychoses and are altering the minds of millions of users. All but a very few of the latest “Mass Murderers” have been on these drugs. Schools encourage parents to put their children on these drugs for the smallest signs of “non conformity”. Schools receive more money for “disabled” students.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 3:53 pm

        Was the shooter taking any of these drugs?

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 3:55 pm

        I believe he was….

    • M. Noonan December 14, 2012 / 6:38 pm

      While the shooter made the choice to shoot and is fully responsible for that evil act, it is a truth that he was instructed to shoot, probably for his whole life. He’s either 20 or 24 (depending on which news source you got) and that means he was born between 1988 and 1992…Mortal Kombat was released in the early 1990’s…and that is probably very tame by today’s standards. Think of the ad we’ve all seen for one of those “soldier” video games which has regular folks walking through a war zone doing all sorts of “cool” shooting..you subject people to that, endlessly, and some of them will respond at a visceral level.

      We’ll learn more about this shooter in the days ahead – but it will probably be the same, basic story that we first saw at Columbine.

      We need to repent of our sins, America – I know that sounds old-fashioned and corny, but that is what it comes down to. If we don’t stop doing all the garbage (and I have been heavily guilty of it, too), then this is all just going to go on and keep getting worse…take away all legal guns and put an armed guard at each school (and try not to pretend that even thinking of that doesn’t mean you’re living in a sewer) and it still will go on and on and on…until we repent.

    • arrkonk December 14, 2012 / 11:43 pm

      Tragic. 99% of the time these individuals are not mentally stable and playing video games didn’t push them towards violence. I have been playing video games since I first got a C64/128 a long time ago and video games get a bad rap when tragedies like this happen. Games could have played a part if they already had some type of mental disorder but I don;t think it was the deciding factor for any of these tragedies. This guy was 24, still lived at home, had easy access to weapons, and was probably mentally ill in some way. I respect your opinion and get your point. The whole entertainment industry could be blamed. i think this guy just snapped for whatever reason.

      • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 12:32 am

        arr,

        I said “some”, I didn’t say all – heck, it might only be 1% who are adversely affected by the glorification of violence in our popular culture…but 1% of 320 million people is 3.2 million. We’re making these monsters and whatever it is which sets them off, they wouldn’t have gone off, or at least not gone off like that, if we hadn’t primed the powder keg and left matches lying around…

  4. Matthew Chiglinsky December 14, 2012 / 6:32 pm

    Two possible theories:

    (1) Evil is running rampant in the world right now. It pervades almost every aspect of our culture in insidious ways that most people try to ignore, and these killing sprees are one of the side effects. Hint: People who respect themselves and other people don’t murder other people (because murder is very disrespectful).

    or:

    (2) The world has always been evil, and mass media technology like TV and the Internet just makes it more noticeable.

    • M. Noonan December 14, 2012 / 6:39 pm

      Evil there always has been – we are a Fallen people, after all…but we positively encourage evil these days, and then act all shocked when we get more of it than ever before…

    • Amazona December 15, 2012 / 10:38 am

      Matthew, there are also additional theories, including the one that some people, as individuals, are only a short step away from snapping into violent rages, and the one that society no longer provides the restraining effect on behavior that it once did, which I think is Mark’s point. We now have a society which glorifies what we can call evil—-hatred, violence for the sake of violence, crudity and vulgarity, and as you have noted lack of respect for others.

    • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 5:43 pm

      ****
      Matthew’s Problem With Authority ****

  5. Jeremiah December 14, 2012 / 7:00 pm

    One other possibility we have here, is that there is, and has been a lack of parental guidance in America…and one of the main aspects of training a child, is training them according to God’s Holy and Righteous Word. It’s good for teaching, reproof, and training in righteousness.

    In today’s society, children are spoiled…and…as has been mentioned in the thread, many children are allowed to play violent video games. What happens is, is when these children are allowed to play these games all day without any down time between meals, and other activities such as family time….what happens is, is the children become their own bosses without a parent, and thus become domineering with their parents and other siblings, classmates, etc. And, as they grow, and get older, they become like this young 20 year old, they have minds full of evil, one of domination. And they use any weaponry at their disposal to carry out their plan of domination…instilled in them through those video games that they were allowed to play when they were children.

    And of course, there are other possibilities for why someone would do such a evil thing as this. Many movements, many things that would allow demonic forces to enter into a person’s life and compel them to do evil.

  6. ricorun December 14, 2012 / 9:45 pm

    I still can’t process this. It’s too close on so many levels. Little kids. Twenty of them. Little innocent kids, along with many others who were tasked to protect them, and died trying to do so. I feel terribly for all of the parents, the siblings, the wives and husbands, all of the relatives and friends of the victims, especially at this time of year — a time that’s supposed to be about peace, happiness, and togetherness. Newtown borders the town I grew up in, which are in many ways are inseparable, which makes it even more personal.

    Please don’t politicize it. Not right now.

    • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 12:34 am

      This event kicked me right in the gut, and I don’t even have any children of my own…I cried as I haven’t cried since my mother died. Its just too terrible…

    • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 12:53 pm

      reek-o

      I still can’t process this. It’s too close on so many levels. Little kids. Twenty of them. Little innocent kids,

      process this, the Israelis live this DAILY from cut throat islam.

  7. dbschmidt December 14, 2012 / 9:55 pm

    At this point I will only say is that my heart goes out to the parents of those children that have fallen and those others, including family, that had nothing to do with this shooter. My prayers will be with them all–everything else can wait. Whether it will be Christmas day, the next lighting of a Hanukkah candle (with gift), some other religion or even none at all–these parents will feel this for any number of reasons real soon and don’t need us or the media trotting them around like trained seals.

    As the old saying goes “No parent should ever have to bury their child.”

  8. 02casper December 14, 2012 / 11:10 pm

    As someone who is a parent, a grandparent, and who works with kids daily, I can’t express how horrified I am by the events that happened today. My prayers and thoughts go out to the victims and their families. This is my worst nightmare.

    • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 12:55 pm

      catspuke

      you and your ilk have set the stage for these psychopaths.

      • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 11:20 am

        zero catspuke

        individual heroes? of course, God bless them.
        the system? and you? = cause and effect.
        we are now reaping what the “education” system has sow’en

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 1:16 pm

        casper, are you saying that the brave teachers who risked, and even lost, their lives to try to protect those children were Leftist ideologues, like you, who believe that the Constitution was a racist and misogynistic document, or the other crap you have posted here?

        Really?

        You are quite pathetic, you know, trying to cast yourself in the same light as these people, just because you share job titles.

        I happen to think neo’s comment is crude and stupid and inaccurate, as I have seen no evidence that the mental state of the murderer was in any way related to Leftist teaching. That is one thing.

        But your craven effort to associate yourself with the courage and selflessness of these teachers in Connecticut is just creepy. They did what they did, and this has absolutely NO relationship to some radical Leftist “teacher” out in Casper, Wyoming. “MY ilk”, my ass. YOUR ilk is still teaching impressionable young children lies and distortions about the foundation of their country, and playing stupid lip-synch games so the kids will LIKE you.

      • ricorun December 16, 2012 / 4:58 pm

        Amazona: They did what they did, and this has absolutely NO relationship to some radical Leftist “teacher” out in Casper, Wyoming. “MY ilk”, my ass. YOUR ilk is still teaching impressionable young children lies and distortions about the foundation of their country, and playing stupid lip-synch games so the kids will LIKE you.

        What a truly terrible thing to say. One would have hoped, even expected, that at a time such as this, in a season such as this, people would find ways to come closer together, not look for ways to push us further apart. This nonsense is getting WAY out of hand.

      • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 6:03 pm

        rico, as usual I have no idea what you are talking about.

        Are you referring to casper’s despicable claim that neo was “happy” to see a teacher get killed, or to my characterization of casper’s teaching ability?

        Not that it matters……….

      • neocon01 December 17, 2012 / 6:47 pm

        catspuke

        ilk 1 (lk)
        n.
        Type or kind:
        can’t trust people of that ilk.

        so you ASSume I meant teachers……maybe I was talking about leftist commies.

  9. bagni December 15, 2012 / 12:47 am

    truly young & innocent
    deepest sympathies to any and all touched by this darkness

  10. Retired Spook December 15, 2012 / 1:16 am

    My Internet connection has been down all day due to technical problems, but I spent much of the day glued to the TV and, when I was in the car, to the radio. I can understand (not sympathize with, just understand) someone wanting to shoot his parents for any number of reasons, but I can’t wrap my head around how someone could shoot a room full of 5-year-olds. My heart grieves for all the victims and their families.

    • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 1:28 am

      This thing just gets more bizarre by the minute – latest I heard is that his mother wasn’t even at the school and he murdered her at home…and then went all the way to the school to massacre 5 year olds…

  11. Matthew Chiglinsky December 15, 2012 / 2:51 am

    Re-read the wording of the question that immediately follows, “Secondly, can you lay off for just a day or two?”

    I’m not going to repeat it. Don’t you think it’s a little insensitive (and hypocritical) to be so graphic? You’re talking about someone’s children.

    • Amazona December 15, 2012 / 10:50 am

      That’s OK, Matthew. You don’t need to repeat it. While you seem to have set yourself up as a moral authority, this status exists only in your own mind, and you are not in a position to instruct other people regarding what they should or should not say or do.

      Yeah, you’re an enlightened, morally advanced, super-sensitive, extra-super-respectful, intellectually superior, highly evolved example of humanity—you’ve already explained your self-perception to us. This is how you see yourself, and goody for you.

      But you ought to keep your smug condescending lectures on how others ought to behave to yourself. Your list of attributes that make you so gosh-darned wonderful does not include humility, so I guess your preening about your general specialness is not hypocritical. Lucky for you.

    • neocon01 December 15, 2012 / 12:56 pm

      matt creeply

      EVERYONE is someone’s children.

    • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 3:43 pm

      Matthew,

      A little insensitive? Yes, I guess it is a little insensitive…but given that 20 children were just murdered because we’ve turned our society in to a cesspit I don’t think that insensitivity is our biggest problem, at the moment.

  12. Cluster December 15, 2012 / 8:37 am

    Unfortunately those on the left side of the aisle simply refuse to let a crisis go to waste to further their agenda:

    Today, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent gun control advocate, moved to politicize the monstrous school shooting in Connecticut, issuing the following statement:

    Folks, guns don’t kill people any more than spoons make people fat. Those areas with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence, think Chicago and New York. Those areas with the most gun ownership have the least amount of fun violence, think Arizona.

    Going bact to my earlier post, we have to stop acting on childish misperceptions and address actual issues. Mark is right when he speaks to the level of violence in video games, and I think it is also true that the abortion lobby and their agenda has desensitized young peoples attitudes toward life.

    We are at another precarious moment in our nations history, and it will take a leader, or leaders, who have the presence of mind to begin speaking to the truth rather than political agendas.

  13. Retired Spook December 15, 2012 / 11:25 am

    One of the things that I always hope is not lost in the aftermath of senseless tragedies like this is perspective. According to this article:

    At least 2,956 people have been killed in 646 mass shootings over the past 35 years, according to statistics compiled by Northeastern University criminology professor James Alan Fox. Mass killings are defined as four or more deaths, not including the shooter. The numbers show no upward trend or pattern.

    By contrast, about 6,000 people die as a result of falls in their home EVERY YEAR.

    Tragic as events like this are, they are part of the price of living in the most free and open society in the world. Of course that doesn’t mean society shouldn’t do everything possible to prevent tragedies like this or to limit their severity, but disarming the general public will accomplish neither.

    • watsonthethird December 15, 2012 / 6:10 pm

      And the number of Americans that have died at the hands of terrorism on US soil in the last 35 years is just barely above the number you site that have been killed in mass shootings. And yet we’ve gone to great lengths to make flying safer, and even created the Department of Homeland Security to combat it.

      I don’t see why anyone would not support making it harder for convicted felons, the dangerously mentally ill, and others like them to get guns in the first place. I don’t see why anyone should be able to buy a gun at a gun show with no background check whatsoever. I don’t see why we shouldn’t limit the number of guns that can be bought at one time.

      I would even think that gun enthusiasts–who are the most aware of the destructive nature of assault weapons–would support these kinds of reforms.

      • tiredoflibbs December 16, 2012 / 5:54 am

        watty again overlooks the obvious: “making it harder for convicted felons, the dangerously mentally ill, and others like them to get guns in the first place.”

        Uh, watty, there are already laws on the books making it harder for these people to get guns. PLUS, there is a federal law banning guns within a thousand feet of a school. All that law did was make guaranteed victim zones where these individuals can go unchallenged.

        The problem is the laws only affect the law abiding and not the evil ones who intend on breaking them. They must address the ROOT of the problem and quit applying more of the same crap that does not work.

        The left is looking to take advantage of this latest crisis to further their anti-gun agenda rather than actually address the problem It did not take them long to pounce.

  14. M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 4:03 pm

    Britain has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world – and the laws were enacted in the wake of a massacre of children by a gun-wielding lunatic. So, anyone who thinks that enacting some gun control will solve anything, pay attention:

    Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

    The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year – a rise of 89 per cent.

    In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold…

    Gun control does not work to reduce gun violence. Not in the past, not now and not in the future…when you disarm law abiding people you just make it easier for criminals.

    On the flip side, while putting armed guards in the schools is a wise precaution, the ultimate problem we face is moral: because we have become an immoral society, we get these massacres (as well as the horrific levels of violence we see in places like Chicago, East St Louis, etc). Until we repent of our sins and rebuild a moral society, none of this will get better.

  15. Jeremiah December 15, 2012 / 4:36 pm

    Is it possible that people like this young man who had asperger’s syndrome…who had a difficult time communicating with people, who became reclusive, who chose not to get help…decided that no one cared because no one wanted to help him…is it possible that he just gave up hope for himself because of these reasons, and became angry at the world, and just wanted to take revenge at God and others for his condition?

    I think if one thing is clear here, it’s that we need more love in the world, and we need to share Jesus Christ with others more now than ever.

    • Jeremiah December 15, 2012 / 4:43 pm

      To be clear here, I’m not feeling sorry for the murderer…but just trying to get to the bottom of possible motivational reasons, and how we might help to alleviate, or prevent possible future events such as these.

  16. Matthew Chiglinsky December 15, 2012 / 4:57 pm

    I’ll be more specific. The sentence “At least until the bodies get cold?” way above is a little blunt and insensitive. You’re talking about other people’s kids!!!

    I’m not saying this to try to put you down. This isn’t a competition to prove who’s the better person. I just don’t think the parents of any of the children killed who might end up here should read such a graphic description, and I know you have the ability in WordPress to edit this blog post to remove that sentence and to remove this comment I’m writing right here that repeats it as well (which I invite you to do).

    • Amazona December 15, 2012 / 7:50 pm

      Yes, yes, yes, you have already explained how deeply, profoundly, sincerely, stupendously hyper-sensitive you are.

      However, the parents of these children understand that they are dead. A comment asking for respect for their loss phrased the way Mark phrased it is hardly going to add to the overwhelming burden of sadness and loss they are already experiencing, and to think that people who just lost a small child to a mindless act of violence are going to go online to read blogs is so utterly silly I can’t imagine why you ever bothered to say it.

      No, you are not evincing concern for the feelings of the bereaved—you are merely preening, showing off your vastly enhanced sense of hyper-sensitivity to the perceived suffering of others, and trying to make the point that someone else is less wonderful than you.

      I suggest that you rethink your mace or taser position as both are quite insensitive and might cause hurt feelings as well as fleeting discomfort, neither of which ought to be acceptable to such a fragile flower of sensitivity as you. You should probably consider a response to being attacked that falls short of making a face, or calling your attacker a big poopy-head, as well.

    • Amazona December 15, 2012 / 8:32 pm

      Matthew, you really ought to get to know watson. S/he is terribly, terribly, distressed by any lack of watson-defined “civility”……between this fluttering about how nice people are, or aren’t, and your own about how sensitive they should be, you two ought to hit it off really well.

      Oh, my—–is it insensitive to say “hit”?

      You two could sit down somewhere, have a nice calming cup (not too hot!) of chamomile tea, and murmur quietly about your calling to chide others on their shortcomings.

      Be sure to invite Dana Carvey—-I’m sure he’d like to take notes if he decides to come up with another character in the same vein as his Church Lady. ‘Cause you two are sooooo special .

    • M. Noonan December 15, 2012 / 11:59 pm

      Matthew,

      Like I hadn’t figured that out. Its a nice try on your part, but the sentence was directed at those who are actually being insensitive and started calling for gun control within hours of the event. Talk to them – when they stop being insensitive, then you can ask me to follow suit, but not before.

      • Cluster December 16, 2012 / 8:05 am

        Silly me? That’s a really feminine thing to say. Are you a woman? Because I always thought you were a man.

        If you find fault with Rush’s facts as you asserted up thread, then please list some that you find unacceptable. I have grown tired of your snotty drive by comments that have zero substance to back them up. Which again is another thing wrong with our society. People like you who delight in random insults void of substance or facts.

  17. 02casper December 16, 2012 / 12:15 am

    Moderator,
    You recently deleted one of my comments. That is your right. It is your blog. I’m guessing that the reason you deleted the comment is because I suggested that another commenter would be happy in the death of one of the teachers at Sandy Hook. If that is the case, then please let me know. If it were something else, it would be nice to know also. Thank you.

    (Moderator Note: You sure? We’re having the random comment posting problem again, today…)

    Other Moderator: Yes, it was deleted and for the reason you give, which shows you knew at the time it would be unacceptable because it was vicious and uncalled for and now you make a point of repeating it. Since it is so important to you for people to know you think like this the second effort will remain but you should have been grateful it was removed the first time. //Moderator

    • neocon01 December 16, 2012 / 11:17 am

      catspuke

      you reap what you sow.
      No God No peace. = evil.

    • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 12:37 pm

      Let me see if I got this:

      casper read a post by neo, admittedly a very stupid and overwrought post which seemed to blame radical left wing teaching for the kind of mentality that led to the massacre. But instead of commenting that the post was stupid and overwrought and senseless, casper decides to double down on the stupidity and toss in a vile lie and a dollop of his own weird hatred. A moderator removes casper’s post, probably to protect him from himself, as what he evidently said was so vile.

      casper then becomes indignant at having his mental excrement removed, rummages around in the toilet till he finds it, and proudly recycles it.

      That about sum it up?

      OK—to move on from the recapitulation:

      neo, you need to get a grip. It is one thing to be indignant about the fact that so many of our schools have become indoctrination centers staffed by ideologues and demagogues like casper. It is one thing to be offended and concerned, when reading the crap posted by casper, and seeing his allegiance to a vicious and destructive political system, because he is in a position of trust where he can funnel this into young minds.

      The bizarre leap from this to blaming teachers like casper for what happened is inexcusable. Unless you have some evidence that the shooter was motivated by hatred of the United States, or conservatives, learned from teachers like casper, shut the hell up.

      But then we get to casper . First, he pretends that he thinks neo is talking about teachers in general, which is typical of casper’s weaselly self. OF COURSE neo was referring to the kind of teacher CASPER IS, which has been discussed here many many times. (That does not make what neo said right, or relevant, or excusable, but let’s stick to the one point, which is that it was not a reference to teachers in general. casper quite dishonestly tried to pretend that it did.)

      Then casper tries to identify his own spineless self with the courageous act of a teacher he does not know, in a state far away, evidently hoping that he might gain some admiration because of their shared occupational titles.

      Then casper descends to a pit of vile hatefulness and vicious lies, and accuses neo of being HAPPY that a teacher has died.

      Wow. At this point, the issue is no longer about neo or anything he said, because at this point casper has spun off so far from anything said or implied in neo’s post that there is no relationship whatsoever. Now casper is stripping away any remaining veneer of decency that may have remained after some of his other outbursts, and shown us a core of such profound ugliness and moral depravity that it is quite sickening to see.

      Moderator is right, casper. You SHOULD have been grateful that this exposure of the writhing tangle of hatred, dishonesty and venom at your core was removed before everyone could see it. And it is an indication of just how deep this nastiness goes, and how you acknowledge it as such an important part of who and what you are, that you insisted on reviving it, to make sure we could all get a good look at it.

  18. Matthew Chiglinsky December 16, 2012 / 3:44 am

    “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.” (Matthew 6:5-8)

  19. Amazona December 16, 2012 / 1:24 pm

    Still waiting to see Matthew’s whimper about the insensitivity of Senator Joe Lieberman, as he tries to use the Connecticut massacre to advance his agenda of banning “assault guns”.

    “We’ve got to continue to hear the screams of these children and see their blood until we do something to try and prevent this from happening again.”

  20. bagni December 16, 2012 / 4:54 pm

    hey zona
    i just read what you wrote
    “But you ought to keep your smug condescending lectures on how others ought to behave to yourself”
    would be nice if you’d practice what you preach……really

    • Amazona December 16, 2012 / 6:07 pm

      Well, I think it would be nice for someone of your obvious age to stop your pretentious and pweshuss oh-so-darling boycott of standard English grammar.

      I guess we don’t always get what we want………………….

  21. Amazona December 16, 2012 / 8:50 pm

    From Newsmax:

    “New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Sunday challenged President Barack Obama to take charge of imposing stricter gun-control laws in the United States following the horrific shootings of 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut schoolhouse.

    “It’s time for the president, I think, to stand up and lead and tell this country what we should do, not go to Congress and say what you guys want to do,” Bloomberg said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “This should be his No. 1 agenda.”

    Barry ought to love this idea—it’s not just ignoring the Constitution, it’s bypassing that inconvenient old Congress, too. As for Bloomberg, at least he’s candid about his own disdain for both. He comes right out and says what he thinks—the president should “…tell this country what we should do…” and “ take charge of imposing stricter gun-control laws…” IMPOSING new laws, you see. Not going to Congress and saying he supports new laws, but IMPOSING new laws.

    Cool. Barry now has someone outside the cadre of Leftist czars telling him he should dump that pesky old Constitution, bypass those annoying checks and balances written into it by those dusty old white men, and stride boldly into overt despotism, where there is only one branch of government and it is in the White House.

    “The staunch gun-control advocate, whose state’s gun restrictions are among the toughest in the country, said if Obama does not act, an estimated 48,000 Americans will die next year at the trigger of illegally possessed guns.”

    Evidently Mike has some starry-eyed notion that stricter gun control laws will affect people who own illegally possessed guns. Just what part of “illegally possessed” do you think he is having trouble with?

    Watching the Left on this is like watching a reality show version of Dumb and Dumber.

  22. M. Noonan December 16, 2012 / 11:15 pm

    Eugene Volokh puts together a list of some shooting incidents where shooters were stopped by civilians who were armed. Its not conclusive proof that, say, an armed teacher would have stopped Friday’s tragedy, but it does give some food for thought as we enter, miserably, the political phase of this tragedy.

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