Democrat Party: For and By the Rich

This is the sort of issue we have to put front and center in the American mind – from Reuters:

In the town that launched the War on Poverty 48 years ago, the poor are getting poorer despite the government’s help. And the rich are getting richer because of it.

The top 5 percent of households in Washington, D.C., made more than $500,000 on average last year, while the bottom 20 percent earned less than $9,500 – a ratio of 54 to 1.

That gap is up from 39 to 1 two decades ago. It’s wider than in any of the 50 states and all but two major cities. This at a time when income inequality in the United States as a whole has risen to levels last seen in the years before the Great Depression…

Our liberals are in the process of creating the “two Americas” that they’ve been whining about…an America of a small class of rich (all of whom will be in or highly connected to government) while most of the population wallows in poverty with their lives eked out between small time jobs and government hand outs.  Did the liberals intend this?  No, but it is clear from their actions that they prefer it to a system where someone can get ahead without government permission.

Tie this in with Obama’s bogus “tax the rich” rhetoric – which really means “tax the upper middle class” – and we can show, even to low information voters, that it is the government which is keeping them down…and allowing the rich to get richer as long as they donate to the right political party.  This is where we can turn the “class war” against the left…where we can get people to raise their fist against the Department of Education as much as they raise it against Bank of America.

This is what is happening in Detroit, in Los Angeles, in Chicago, in New York City…every place where liberal Democrats are firmly in power they have done all that liberalism promises…and it has invariably led to the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer (with the only poor people getting rich are those who are willing to sell out for a rake off…think Jesse Jackson).  But, remember, the people in these places don’t know their full plight because, for the most part, the MSM doesn’t tell them (that would upset the Democrat Ruling Class, after all).  So, we need to tell them – by campaigning in the deepest blue areas.

We can do this, people – we can crush the left, if we’ll just try.

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88 thoughts on “Democrat Party: For and By the Rich

  1. Jeremiah December 23, 2012 / 1:38 am

    Barack Obama is going after the “bitter clingers”…

    He’s going after their guns, their Bibles, and the one’s who have worked hard and succeeded.

    • Amazona December 23, 2012 / 12:27 pm

      Well, I think our Bibles are safe for the time being, but the Left is certainly going after our money and our guns.

  2. GMB December 23, 2012 / 8:22 am

    We can crush the left? Not when stooges in the repub party keep financing the progs. First you will have to end the governments unchecked ability to tax our wealth away and then the governments unchecked ability to print piles of cash.

    Good luck Sir.

    • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 5:32 pm

      GMB,

      You said it, brother – but we really need to get in there and start de-funding the left. The dirty, little secret of the left’s power is that it is largely taxpayer funded – either directly in the form of grants or indirectly as we allow rich liberals tax write offs for funding what are nothing more than liberal special interest groups dressed up as non-profits (Planned Parenthood being just the worst of this).

      The left is not popular and never has been popular – except for the rarest of instances, the left has never come to power with more than a plurality of support and, usually, when they are a decided minority overall. The left never made much headway in the United States from, say, the 1880’s through to the 1930’s – at a time when industrial capitalism was rising and, elsewhere in the world, creating quite large and vibrant socialist movements. But in the 30’s FDR’s New Deal started to staff government with liberals…who then ensured that government funds went to liberals who then lobbied for more funds, ad infinitum.

      Take out the taxpayer-funded crutch of the left and it will fall apart…but that will take some guts. We’ll have to genuinely de-fund Big Bird…

      • Amazona December 23, 2012 / 7:53 pm

        We’re starting to defund the Left with Right To Work legislation and inroads into public school “education”.

        You know the union bosses aren’t going to take pay cuts (if you can call their income “pay”) so the cuts will have to come in political donations and in-kind union donations like providing muscle to harass TEA Party meetings, etc.

        I’d like to see a new movement to enact the Academic Bill of Rights effort started by David Horowitz, which would promote freedom of speech on college campuses. This never got a lot of traction which is too bad, because I think it was a very important effort. It includes more freedom of speech for conservative speakers, who are now subjected to a whole gauntlet of escalating efforts to silence them or keep students from going to hear them.

        In his book “Radical Son” Horowitz writes: (emphasis mine)

        “As an undergraduate at Columbia in the McCarthy Fifties, I had written papers from a Marxist point of view, but had never been graded politically by my anti-communist professors. Nor had I ever felt that the lectures I attended were veiled indoctrinations. As a student, I was invariably presented with both sides of an argument.

        When I visited university campuses now, however, the contrast was striking. Courses were often baldly ideological. Many left-wing professors gave one-sided presentations of subjects, expecting their views to be parroted on papers and exams. Students were graded politically, and frequently intimidated from expressing their own perspectives. The atmosphere of political terror was far greater than anything which I had experienced, as a Marxist, in the McCarthy era. Although there was no statistical evidence to prove it, I would estimate that more academic careers had been aborted for political reasons during those post-Sixties decades than during the entire Communist ‘witch hunt’ of the McCarthy period.

        The reason for the lack of statistics was the same as for the effectiveness of the purge. Unlike the McCarthyites, whose base was government, the left-wing witch-hunters were inside the academy, were they could operate in secrecy and to far greater effect.”

        From Wikipedia:

        “Horowitz and others promote his Academic Bill of Rights (ABR), an eight-point guide that seeks to eliminate political bias in university hiring and grading. Horowitz says that bias in universities amounts to indoctrination, and charges that conservatives and particularly Republicans are systematically excluded from faculties, citing statistical studies on faculty party affiliation.”

        Serious attention to this reform would be a real blow to the Leftist indoctrination now dominating American colleges and universities.

      • dbschmidt December 23, 2012 / 8:39 pm

        Let us not forget it was really started in the 1913-era of Wilson with among other notables was 1913(Dec 23rd to be exact) – The Federal Reserve Act is signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson, creating the Federal Reserve.

      • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 9:17 pm

        Amazona,

        You’re going to love this – while the nation voted to re-elect Obama, Kansas became about the deepest, deep red State there is…and they are going full tilt conservative – from Walter Russell Mead:

        Since the right wing of Kansas’ Republican party gained control over the state government last month (defeating both Democrats and moderate Republicans to establish perhaps the most pro-Tea Party state government anywhere in the United States), we’ve been keeping an eye on developments there that could tell us what Tea Party governance would look like.

        A new proposal on state pensions from the Kansas Chamber of Commerce offers a clue: the proposal would substitute defined contribution plans for the current defined benefit plan that goes to state retirees…

        While the deep blue States of California, New York and Illinois go bankrupt trying to keep the “blue model” alive, Kansas (as well as other States) are showing the way out of the morass…it will be doubly interesting as over the next four years the whole country will be able to compare and contrast: as the most blue States fall to bankruptcy and demand bail outs and the reddest States show surpluses and job growth, the argument in favor of our side will become unanswerable.

        Now, how long before Obama and the boys try to loot the red States to bail out the blue States? Remember, his proposal to tax incomes over 250k mostly hits blue States…to get money out of red, he’s going to have to drop his “rich” down to 100K per year…

  3. Amazona December 23, 2012 / 12:05 pm

    There is no need to “crush” the Left as it inevitably crashes under its own weight when allowed to develop to its maximum capacity. Even without the expansion to the complete control we saw in the USSR and East Germany, and see now in Cuba and North Korea, it collapses when reality catches up to it, as we see in the failures of Euro-Socialism.

    What we do need to do is remove its supporting structures. As GMB said, we need to strip it of its financing, because the Left can only succeed, temporarily, by employing its shell game of moving money from one pocket to another, and in the case of the U.S. Fed printing money by simply flooding the market with devalued currency which creates the illusion of solvency and therefore success when all it is doing is disguising the failure.

    And we need to interfere with its control over information fed to an ignorant public. This is the biggest challenge facing the Right today. The Left has nearly complete control over all the media but radio and the internet, and they are fighting to gain control in these areas as well. They control education, particularly higher education. And the combination of these two areas of control means they control the hearts and minds of enough Americans to gain and retain power.

    Americans are not inherently stupid, but when generations are programmed, one after another, to believe certain things and have knee-jerk antipathy to a demographic defined for them as evil and corrupt, it is an uphill battle to overcome the resistance to accepting what is told by the identified Other—especially when most of the avenues of communication are controlled by the Left.

    But the Left’s history is proof of its utter dependence on physical control and intimidation and control over sources of information. It simply cannot survive, much less thrive, in an open and free society. To use one of its favorite catchphrases, on a “level playing field”. And the Left proves this, day in and day out.

    Look at the simple fact that the most committed of Leftist governments have to imprison their citizens to keep them from fleeing to freedom and, too often, to safety. Younger Leftists have no memory of atrocities like the Berlin Wall, and video of people being shot as they tried to climb it to get into the West, and their bullet-riddled bodies hanging on the wall as messages to anyone else who might try to escape. They have no memories of Checkpoint Charlie, where cars passing from East Berlin to the West were stopped and searched. They probably don’t even know that when Russian athletes and ballet stars were allowed to come to the United States they were under heavy guard every moment, not allowed to freely talk with Americans, not allowed to move around freely, and reminded that their families back in Russia would suffer if they were to try to bolt for freedom. They might be vaguely aware of the boat people risking death to float from Cuba to Florida on inner tubes and in overcrowded boats, but don’t stop to think about why this is necessary—because they don’t have the freedom to openly leave the country.

    The real history of the Left’s experiments in governance, and the horrible horrible toll of economic misery, personal suffering, loss of freedom, and even death, will undermine it and destroy it—-if it can be taught. The truth will destroy the Left, as it has every time it has been given a chance. The Left knows this, which is why it has based its incursions into the West on first controlling education and the media.

    • Cluster December 23, 2012 / 12:37 pm

      And this is why I advocate giving Obama everything he wants for the next two years. Conservatives need to step aside, and allow the left to feel the full brunt of what they voted for. The more we try to prevent that, the more we will be blamed for it. It’s a win win for Obama. So we need to tell the American voters that for the next two years, Obama gets everything he wants, then when it fails, they will have no one else to blame and even the media and the master bullshitter himself won’t be able to convince them otherwise.

      Then we run on common sense conservatism in 2014 and 2016 and win.

      • neocon01 December 23, 2012 / 12:55 pm

        DNC = CPUSA

        communism ALWAYS fails.

      • Amazona December 23, 2012 / 1:07 pm

        Cluster, I agree, with one caveat—we have to have a parallel strategy, coherent and coordinated, of constant education about what is happening and why. If we don’t stay focused, and remain willing and able to not only point out the fatal flaw in every Obama action but also point the finger at those who put him and kept him in office, we will just be standing by while the country goes down the toilet.

        Maybe we need a web site which can function as an archive of every warning we issue, every policy we find objectionable and WHY we find it destructive, and an analysis of how it fails, and why, and to what extent, and what it has cost Americans. A big old giant diary. And a big old giant headline that says “ X NUMBER OF AMERICAN VOTERS MADE THIS POSSIBLE

        The Lemming Left won’t read it even when it is repeatedly cited, but it can stand as a record, not only of the failures but of the predictions of failures, the insistence of the Left in forging ahead into failure, and the responsibility of the citizens who put them in the position to do it.

        We can point our fingers at the leaders of the Left all we want, and it won’t do a damned bit of good. We need to point those fingers at the people who allow the leaders of the Left to do the damage they do, because when it comes right down to it, THEY are the ones responsible.

      • Cluster December 24, 2012 / 9:42 am

        So you read the thread and the various comments, and this comment all you came up with?

        You really are a dim bulb in a high wattage environment.

    • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 5:27 pm

      Do note that our liberals don’t spend a lot of time on these threads – they have no answer to it. If there’s a place in the world where liberal governing ideas have been tried out to their maximum effect, it is Washington, DC. The place routinely votes north of 80% for Democrats. This is their strongest of strong holds. There are probably more Republicans in San Francisco than there are in DC. Income inequality is one of the main reasons for the left to exist: they believe it to be a matter of inherent injustice if there is wide income disparity and they also believe they’ve got the methods to cure it. They tried their methods in spades in DC and what happened? The problem they set out to solve – the reason for their existence – got worse.

      But, also, I bet they don’t know it – I bet if you went too all of the rich liberals living there in DC they simply will not know that the income disparity between them and the poor is that large and that it has gotten worse as their policies have been enacted. I also bet that most of the poor people – who vote so heavily for the Democrats – don’t know this, either. We’ve seen some indications that some are waking up, but there still seems to be an “I’m going to vote for the Democrat ’cause he’s gonna help the poor” mindset…but if we can tell these people, in easily understood terms, that things are getting worse for them while the Democrats they vote for keep having a better and better life, we can break down the doors which keep us out of the cities and kill our chances in places like New York, Illinois and California.

      If we starting campaigning in these areas – and thus start speaking to these people about what concerns them most – then we can pull at least some of them away from the left…and the real beauty of it is that we can re-cast a lot of the class warfare rhetoric Democrats have fed them for 50 years in to anti-Democrat campaigns.

      • Amazona December 23, 2012 / 7:56 pm

        Many times I have asked Liberal bloggers here, who have stated that they have good educations and good jobs with good pay, if they agree that they should make no more than the janitors at their companies.

        Oddly, none have ever responded. And this would be a real, genuine, sincere, blow to income inequality.

      • GMB December 23, 2012 / 8:23 pm

        “The key to a sustainable middle class is paying workers a living wage.”

        Spoken like a true communist. Little does the cabbie understand that there is no such thing as a “living wage”. Every single worker in pyongyang is paid a “living wage. Living if you can call it that, in abject misery, unable to feed themselves a proper diet.

        All for the cause there. right schwartz?

      • dbschmidt December 23, 2012 / 8:50 pm

        What you, and others here, have stated can be equally applied to just about every Liberal “policy” whereas over the last few days one can hear nothing but the cries to disarm America. Not taking any facts into account (which Liberals rarely do)–I have yet to see the President drop his Secret Service protection while inside the US.

        Nary a actor / actress / singer / hip-hop mogul drop their requirements for armed personnel. With Liberals it is always do as I say and not as I do. Micheal “Hide the children cause he might eat them” Moore who has become rich off of the capitalistic system he despises seems to think everything Canada is a better way except moving his fat ass there. And he can leave all the money he has made here by crushing the poor on his way out.

      • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 9:21 pm

        GMB,

        I guess I missed the comment – but nothing says “obtuse liberal” more than a statement going “The key to a sustainable middle class is paying workers a living wage.”.

        No, liberals, the key to a sustainable middle class is a middle class largely in control of its own means of wealth creation…this means average folks running their own affairs and doing for themselves. Only in the mind of a liberal is “middle class” defined entirely by income…”middle class” is properly defined by the word “independent”…not needing a government hand out, not dependent upon a large corporation for employment.

      • tiredoflibbs December 24, 2012 / 6:47 am

        mark, the whole idea of “class” (ie. working class, middle class, upper middle class, etc. etc.) is from Karl Marx. He pits the working class against the proletariat.

        IF the Democrats are truly for “everyone”, they need to step away from their “class” rhetoric and their tactics of pitting several against one and against each other – that goes for race as well.

    • ricorun December 23, 2012 / 8:29 pm

      Amazona: There is no need to “crush” the Left as it inevitably crashes under its own weight when allowed to develop to its maximum capacity. Even without the expansion to the complete control we saw in the USSR and East Germany, and see now in Cuba and North Korea, it collapses when reality catches up to it, as we see in the failures of Euro-Socialism.

      Point taken. But that’s so old, based as it is upon the traditional relationships between politics and industry. If China (among other nations) have taught us anything over the last decade or so it is the need to revisit the traditional thinking about the relationship between government and industry.

      I’m not saying we should adopt China’s model, but we certainly have to compete with it. And in that respect I don’t think any sort of sacred, or even dutiful, reliance on a theoretical Constitutional model developed more than two centuries ago, is the way to go. Said in another way, the GOP has to get more selectively modern, rather than even more collectively provincial, if they truly wish to hang on to relevance on any sort of national scale for any length of time.

      • Amazona December 23, 2012 / 8:55 pm

        rico. I suppose this makes sense to you, but it is based on an odd concept of “Leftism” that is unique to you, I suspect.

        For one thing, the need for Leftist governments to imprison their citizens has nothing to do with ” traditional relationships between politics and industry. “. Learn what you think you can from China, but don’t try to compare it to the hard core Leftism I am talking about, which still exists in Cuba and North Korea and is not too far back in the rear-view mirror in the old Soviet Union, East Germany, and Cambodia. And you might expound upon the freedom of Chinese citizens to travel within China, to move freely throughout the country, to change residences or jobs, or to travel or move to other countries—-and explain what this has to do with the relationship of government and industry.

        Yes, I know you sneer at the most effective, most successful, most productive template for government ever devised. I suppose this is proof of “pragmatism” though I fail to understand how or why it is supposed to be pragmatic to turn ones’ back on what HAS worked, in pursuit of what MIGHT work, in spite of historical precedence.

        And it is downright weird to refer to this tried, tested and proved blueprint for governance as “theoretical”. Again, you seem to be playing fast and loose with definitions, which is, I take this opportunity to point out, another tactic of the Left.

        If you think the United States would be a more productive, more prosperous, and more free nation if it were to expand its rule of law to allow the federal government to participate in private industry —which seems to be what you are angling toward, though as usual you are pretty incoherent—-then why don’t you just come out and say so, instead of muttering vague grumblings about what you consider “provincial” and “modern” and “theoretical” and whatever.

        Or you might consider going through the Constitution and outlining which parts of it you think keep us trapped in a “provincial” mindset—-what you think ought to be scrapped, and what you think a more effective blueprint might be.

        And why.

        As for me, I can’t imagine a single benefit to allowing government a say in industry. But if you favor a large and infinitely expandable federal government, unrestricted as to size, scope and power, make your case.

        And please try to make it more comprehensible.

      • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 9:24 pm

        Ricorun,

        We won’t have to compete with it much longer – given that it is a top-down, dictatorial economy it is, of nature, already falling apart. That nonsense simply doesn’t work. It misallocates resources on a gigantic scale, leads to grinding poverty for most, vast riches for the politically connected and an economy built on sand. It can look good for a couple decades, at most…

        Our true competitors are in India and Brazil these days – nations which are moving towards better democracy, less corruption and free markets (more haltingly in Brazil than in India, but both are moving that way). Those are the two nations which actually have a shot at displacing us in the 21st century. By 2040 everyone will wonder why anyone ever thought that China could be a challenger to world supremacy, much as by 1965 it appeared in retrospect absurd that Germany had made a bid for global dominance.

        All too typical for a liberal, you’ve only seen the surface – and that is because the surface is all the MSM (the by-lined DNC) and the DNC allow you to see. Break out of the liberal shell. For pity’s sake, just spend a day over at Zero Hedge

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 10:20 am

        reekO

        I don’t think any sort of sacred, or even dutiful, reliance on a theoretical Constitutional model developed more than two centuries ago, is the way to go

        then MOVE there, or mehiko….

        Try to debate and discuss and not just insult. //Moderator

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 3:38 pm

        mod
        Try to debate and discuss and not just insult. //Moderator

        REALLY???????????????????????????????????

        NO singling out eh??
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        Cluster December 24, 2012 at 9:42 am #

        So you read the thread and the various comments, and this comment all you came up with?

        You really are a dim bulb in a high wattage environment.

      • dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 7:19 pm

        Even though you say ” If China (among other nations) have taught us anything over the last decade or so it is the need to revisit the traditional thinking about the relationship between government and industry. … I’m not saying we should adopt China’s model, but we certainly have to compete with it. ” you seem to have a real desire to emulate it. China’s economy is built a a house of cards worse than our Congress (both sides) have done to us over the past 8 years or so. But I guess if you think having your children taken from you at 13 years of age to be forced to work in a Apple plant is great convergence of government and business–then that is your opinion but not mine. Here is another example but none of this really matters–now does it?

        Halloween decorations carry haunting message of forced labor

        “If you occasionally buy this product, please kindly resend this letter to the World Human Right Organization. Thousands people here who are under the persicution of the Chinese Communist Party Government will thank and remember you forever.”

        The graveyard kit, the letter read, was made in unit 8, department 2 of the Masanjia Labor Camp in Shenyang, China.

        Chinese characters broke up choppy English sentences.

        “People who work here have to work 15 hours a day without Saturday, Sunday break and any holidays. Otherwise, they will suffer torturement, beat and rude remark. Nearly no payment (10 yuan/1 month).”

        Ten yuan is equivalent to $1.61.

        “People who work here, suffer punishment 1-3 years averagely, but without Court Sentence (unlaw punishment). Many of them are Falun Gong practitioners, who are totally innocent people only because they have different believe to CCPG. They often suffer more punishment than others.”

        http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html

      • ricorun December 28, 2012 / 3:10 am

        First of all, I think it’s great that someone like me — one of the last of the breed of moderate Republicans — could have elicited so many thoughtful replies. I hope each of you listen to what the other has said. Amazona cautioned that I should not try “to compare it to the hard core Leftism I am talking about”. I will certainly not do that. But really, that’s so old school, based as it is on traditional relationships between politics and economics 200 years or more ago. Mark suggests that “We won’t have to compete with it [China] much longer”. He again argues on the basis of the traditional understanding of the relationship between politics and economics. But then he suggests that the relationship between politics and economics are much better in India and Brazil, as if they were so much better. That point may be worth pursuing, but arguably not for the reasons Mark stated. Or maybe it is. More about that later. Finally, dbschmidt suggests that I (meaning me, Rico) “have a real desire to emulate it [the Chinese model]. I didn’t say that, nor do I agree with it. dbschmidt goes on to tie that in with other, even more ridiculous assumptions. But let’s try to stay focused…

        This is what I’m saying: the bottom line is that one thing ALL those stated competitors have in common is that they ALL recognize that their respective national governments have a significant role to play in developing industries they deem important to their national interests. They do it in different ways (which is something to consider), but the fact remains that IN EACH AND EVERY CASE their national governments are significantly involved. And frankly, there’s ALL SORTS OF REASONS why they should! So maybe, just maybe, the best question we should be asking from an economic point of view (ideology be damned) is… how best to proceed, especially given the playing field in the 21st Century is much different than it was in the late 18th Century?

  4. GMB December 23, 2012 / 8:26 pm

    All I can say is “LOLzer”

  5. tiredoflibbs December 23, 2012 / 8:53 pm

    Freddy, if you want an echo chamber, stay at the pitchfork. All of you regurgitate the same crap and that it is a certainty you all share a common (or collective) brain.

    You and your ilk have your posts removed because you cannot abide by the simple rules of the blog. Every personality from the pitchfork comes here and regurgitates the same racist, anti-religious crap that is the reason for your posts being removed. You people can’t help yourselves – that is what you consider discourse, because that is all you “people” do.

    If you don’t like it, don’t come here.

    • watsonthethird December 24, 2012 / 2:38 am

      I wonder if you even read the article, Mark.

      “Weakened unions have lost power to lift wages.”

      “A cadre of Washington professionals advanced their careers by pushing through personal income-tax cuts during the administration of President George W. Bush that redistributed nearly 2 trillion dollars nationally over the past decade, mostly to high earners.”

      “The tax cuts were a major contributor to an increase in the nation’s inequality in the 2000s, according to studies done by the research and budgeting arms of the U.S. Congress.”

      “The government-outsourcing boom created new opportunity for entrepreneurs. It also hollowed out a class of federal jobs that once provided entry to the middle class for people without college degrees in the region.”

      These are all policies that conservatives supported, enacted by conservative administrations.

      • Cluster December 24, 2012 / 9:14 am

        Watson, have you thought this one through?

        “The tax cuts were a major contributor to an increase in the nation’s inequality in the 2000s, according to studies done by the research and budgeting arms of the U.S. Congress.”

        So, allowing people to keep more of their own money resulted in more inequality? That simply defies common sense and no wonder it came from our federal government, which defies common sense daily. Or do you just buy in to whatever they sell?

        Mark, I am looking forward to see now Kansas moves forward financially over the next couple of years, lets keep an eye on that.

        I do hope that America falls more into the moral and financial abyss that liberal strongholds like Detroit, Chicago and Los Angeles find themselves in. I want the failure of liberalism to be so overwhelming, so in your face, that rational people suddenly realize that the Democrats weren’t all that concerned about them or this country, and that people like truthie and Freddy question their very existence.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 9:50 am

        national sales tax, fair tax…..abolish the IRS.
        ALL pay ALL pay the same rate, pay based upon the ability to spend.
        ALL have a dog in the race, when 47% pay NO fed tax yet suck off the govt teat and OPM we will never convince them to see our political point of views.

        OPM, the plantation, marxism is for losers right now they out number us by having the dead, dogs, cartoon characters illegal aliens, prisoners “vote” donk.

        It will take a collapse or civil war to correct this situation.

      • watsonthethird December 24, 2012 / 1:18 pm

        That is a nice article, but it only describes federal income tax. It doesn’t address all of the taxes that people pay. Here, try this. I know it is a lot of words and all, but hopefully you will manage to get through it.

        http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 3:55 pm

        watstonthe*ird

        47% PAY NO FEDERAL TAX!!!!

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 5:09 pm

        “But, remember, the people in these places don’t know their full plight because, for the most part, the MSM doesn’t tell them (that would upset the Democrat Ruling Class, after all). So, we need to tell them – by campaigning in the deepest blue areas.”

        like THIS commies back yard??

        Cornel West on Conn. Massacre: People Only Talk About Gun Control When White People Get Shot
        “We can’t just shed tears for those on the vanilla side of town.”

        Psssttttttt Ko-nel ……….Ubama is black and he be talkin bout gun control……

      • M. Noonan December 24, 2012 / 6:06 pm

        Neo,

        Ah, but you’re missing a very important point; our brother Cornel is right – the only time a liberal talks about gun violence is when white, middle and upper class kids get killed. I think the only black person shot over the past 10 years that drew national attention was Trayvon Martin…and in that it was only because the left cast it as a racist killing…even though all evidence now indicates it wasn’t, it is what they ran with and they’ll never, ever admit that they were wrong. But the larger scandal is that Trayvon Martins are killed every day in the United States and no liberal – black or white – gives a darn about it.

        Of course, Cornel misses a point, too – he’s not putting two and two fully together. If he could just leave off his Marxist twaddle about “racist Amerikkka”, then he’d realize that the people who will help him keep black kids alive – and help them to become educated and prosperous – are in the TEA Party.

        We have a lot of mental walls to break down if we’re to really rescue our nation…and I don’t hold out much hope that many on the left will join us, there are some on that side who will come over to us…not to give up their leftist views, but to give up their Big Government as a cure-all view. But we on the right must also shift our thinking…we should bleed for those black youngsters who are dying and feel their poverty as if it were our own.

        UPDATE: Here is the truth we have to bring to the blue cities and then tell them, “these dead are the fault of your liberal leaders, who have been feeding you a ration of **** for 50 years” (we’ll have to dress it up in nicer words for the media…but not for the folks; I think they’ll appreciate a bit of truth):

        …Yet the truth is more than 440 school-age children have been shot in Chicago in 2012. This is not to say that 440 school-age children died, simply that more than 440 school-age children were at least wounded. The number of school-age children killed is reported at approximately 60…

      • neocon01 December 25, 2012 / 10:03 am

        Christmas Eve shootings leave 7 hurt (Chicago)

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 9:52 am

        cluster

        , that rational people suddenly realize that the Democrats

        the two are mutually exclusive…….
        “liberalism is a mental disorder”

        Try to debate and discuss and not just insult. //Moderator

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 10:17 am

        moderator

        why did a link to a site that shows who pays what percentage of taxes removed?

        Not the first time you have been removed for language but you always try again. //Moderator

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 10:26 am

        language??

        ooh waspstooge?

        REALLY?
        just delete what part YOU dont like, with a comment good grief….

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 10:36 am

        ones perception of reality is not an insult, I do net believe that the democrat party is generally made up of rational people and I expressed that to another poster based on a statement he made in his post, this is SUPPOSED to be a discussion board.
        so now ***opinions**** that ***YOU*** dont like are being moderated? and labeled an insult? to WHOM?

        and the QUOTE was from DR Michael savage whom I agree with, if YOU think his statement is an INSULT try taking it up with him.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 10:42 am

        correction

        generally made ***NOT***up of rational people

      • watsonthethird December 24, 2012 / 1:11 pm

        Cluster, I’m not the one that cited the article, Mark did. I don’t think he read it. Evidently, you don’t either, since it doesn’t make sense to you.

        And since you want to give Obama everything he wants for the next two years, could you please call your congressman and Speaker Boehner and urge them to accept President Obama’s offer to avoid the fiscal cliff? Thank you.

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 1:48 pm

        please call your congressman and Speaker Boehner and urge them to accept President Obama’s offer to avoid the fiscal cliff? Thank you.

        Watson, just exactly what is Obama’s offer?

        Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn’t reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.

        At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, “I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?”

        “You get nothing,” the president said. “I get that for free.”

        Personally, I think Boehner should say publicly, “I take the same full responsibility for the failure to reach an agreement that Hillary Clinton took for the failures associated with Benghazi”, adjourn the House and go home for the holidays.

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 2:41 pm

        The Wonk.blog at WAPO? Seriously?

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) December 24, 2012 / 2:46 pm

        But does it matter? cluster is all for giving Obama whatever he wants, so let’s just do it and move on. Save us all a lot of angst, don’t you think?

        I agree. I think everyone would love to find out once and for all if Progressive policies work.

      • watsonthethird December 24, 2012 / 2:27 pm

        And from the WSJ article you cited:

        The White House’s first formal offer, presented Nov. 29 left Mr. Boehner incredulous. It included a request for $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue over 10 years, a permanent increase in the debt ceiling and money for road projects and other year-end priorities. In return it offered spending cuts of $400 billion—25 cents for each dollar in new revenue.

        Did you read the article? Again, cluster, urge your congressman and Speaker Boehner to accept President Obama’s first formal offer, no questions asked. Thank you.

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 2:44 pm

        Did you read the article?

        I did. No one thought Obama’s first offer on 11/29 was a serious offer. This part tells you all you really need to know about the motives behind these negotiations:

        The president told him he could choose one of two doors. The first represented a big deal. If Mr. Boehner chose it, the president said, the country and financial markets would cheer. Door No. 2 represented a spike in interest rates and a global recession.

        Mr. Boehner said he wanted a deal along the lines of what the two men had negotiated in the summer of 2011 in a fight over raising the debt ceiling. “You missed your opportunity on that,” the president told him.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 3:42 pm

        jimmAH

        you LOST, don’t expect fair treatment or compromise.

        LOST?? Riiiiight Pee Wee

        Democrats and Vote Fraud: On the Road to Rigged Elections
        By Scott Swett
        Lest we forget, Democrats were not given a mandate in 2008 to nationalize General Motors, the insurance industry, and health care. Most Americans want government to be less expensive, less intrusive, and more accountable. Yet despite the looming prospect of electoral dismemberment in November, the Democrats continue pushing a radical agenda: piling up debt and creating new entitlements, with crushing tax increases inevitably to follow. Why the evident lack of concern?

        Perhaps they intend to cheat.

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/democrats_and_vote_fraud_on_th.html

      • mitchethekid December 24, 2012 / 5:36 pm

        Brought to you by the same guy who operated Unskewed polls. Nothing like finding “information” that confirms the basis of your paranoia and preconceived ideas, huh Neo? What do you think about Tagg Romney and his statement that in his lifetime, he knew of no presidential candidate who wanted the presidency less than his father. Yeah, Mitt should have won alright. Thank god he didn’t.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 5:54 pm

        bmitchtheKID

        What do you think about Tagg Romney and his statement

        about the same as the BS you spout….NOTHING!

        —————————————————————————————

        Nothing like finding “information” that confirms the basis of*** your *** paranoia and preconceived ideas, huh Neo?

        Love the “paranoia” and “preconceived ideas” you attributed to me…….
        LOL X10,000
        how about refuting the ARTICLE I posted bomber boy?

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 6:03 pm

        The Madness of Keynesian Economics
        By Jonathon Moseley

        President Barack Obama demands more stimulus spending to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” Obama increased the national debt $6 trillion to $16 trillion. Yet the Democrats’ ‘cure for what ails ya’ is even more spending. Obama demands around $75 billion in new spending to stimulate the economy in 2013.

        “Keynesian Economics” is the insane belief that the economy can be stimulated by government spending. It provides the excuse to depart from common sense that allows politicians to ignore the alarm bells. It is ludicrous mainly because our government doesn’t have any money to spend.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/the_madness_of_keynesian_economics.html#ixzz2G0e15xoo
        Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

        While the POS and the MOOCH take ANOTHER lavish vacation on OPM

      • mitchethekid December 24, 2012 / 7:25 pm

        Larry Klayman????? The insane right wing wack job from the ’90’s? Surely even you aren’t this untethered to reality. Obama is not ineligible. He’s been elected. Twice. By far margins. You my friend, however are on the margins. I hate to tell you but repeating something over and over and over again will not make it true. Your statements remind me of the punchline of the joke about a kid looking for a pony in a room full of horse crap. “There’s got to be a pony in here somewhere!” I admire the optimism but you are just wrong. The following link says it all. Enjoy and Merry Christmas to one and all! And i mean that sincerely. But if you continue on this path you’ll just become more and more irrelevant, antiquated and frustrated. Give it up. The country laughs at your way of thinking and given their druthers would lock you up (figuratively speaking of course) for your own good and the counterproductive energy you keep pushing.
        http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/enough.html

      • dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 7:58 pm

        Mitch,

        Andrew Sullivan????? Really??????
        Obama is not ineligible. He’s been elected. Twice. By far margins.
        President Obama, as he is our current President, has never had to prove his eligibility–this leaves him in a gray area between eligible or ineligible unlike Senator McCain who needed an act of congress to run for the Presidency even though BOTH of his parents are US citizens working for the US government in the American sector of the Panama canal at the time of his birth. But you see no difference here do you?

        Yes, Obama was elected twice but not by “far margins” except to the kneepadders.Yes, his eligibility is “water under the bridge” as far as I am concerned but as all of the Liberals love to state about any kind of surveillance–“if you have nothing to hide…” Why is it the only two Presidents that I can recall that have spent over $2M dollars each to seal their records are Clinton and Obama? I mean–if they have nothing to hide???

        Finally, in a previous post of yours you sate “What do you think about Tagg Romney and his statement that in his lifetime, he knew of no presidential candidate who wanted the presidency less than his father.” I was honored to vote for Romney and would again. You don’t understand the value of public duty for the public good. In this case, if true, it makes me look at Mitt Romney more like a President Washington, who also did not want to serve more than a complete narcissistic like Obama who managed to insert himself once again into the eulogy of an American war hero over 60 times in under 2 minutes. That is your hero.

      • mitchethekid December 24, 2012 / 10:09 pm

        It seems that you Liberals have all gone completely insane and can’t post anything but hate. We won’t miss you. //Moderator

      • mitchethekid December 24, 2012 / 10:14 pm

        It seems that you Liberals have all gone completely insane and can’t post anything but hate. We won’t miss you. //Moderator

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 11:50 pm

        What’s the matter, Mitch — did you get into some bad eggnog?

      • neocon01 December 25, 2012 / 9:24 am

        bmitch has LEFT the house…..AGAIN!!

        BuB ByE

      • neocon01 December 25, 2012 / 9:58 am

        db

        Obama who managed to insert himself once again into the eulogy of an American war hero over 60 times in under 2 minutes. That is your hero.

        the man? is a complete total rotten to the core, POS narcissist who will be the ruination of America.

      • GMB December 24, 2012 / 8:08 pm

        Sulllivan? Isn’t he the guy that proved airplanes fly because of some vacuum effect? Or was he the guy that called arty in on his own troops in nam after the war was over for the U.S. Maybe he was the fella that had relatives gassed in a nazi death camp?

        One thing I do know he’s a plagiarist. Oh wait. I was talking about bomber boy there.

      • Amazona December 24, 2012 / 8:39 pm

        Yeah, there goes mitche, the Sullivan fanboy, squealing that someone ELSE is a “wack (sic) job”.

        And showing, yet again, the utter cluelessness of the RRL—in this case, not even understanding the crux of the question about eligibility. To the simple-minded, like mitche, if you get enough votes that MAKES you “eligible”. Which just goes to prove that he doesn’t even know what “eligible” means.

        Doesn’t know, doesn’t care.

      • mitchethekid December 24, 2012 / 10:03 pm

        You’re not eligible to be conscious. Can’t wait until you are not.

        It seems that you Liberals have all gone completely insane and can’t post anything but hate. We won’t miss you. //Moderator

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 3:53 pm

        jimAH

        but WE WON the HOUSE YOU LOST!!………..and we have no reason to compromise or to give you looters fair treatment either…..
        goose….meet gander.

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 4:02 pm

        Spook, You LOST the election. why would we even consider the same deal we offered in the summer of 2011? That was then, this is now.

        I would expect that honest, sincere people would want to do what is best for the country, not what’s politically expedient, and, clearly, neither party is approaching it that way.

        The American people are rightfully blaming your side for this cliff if we do go over it.

        And, as I’ve said before, you mistake me for someone who cares about the future of the GOP.

        Once again, elections have consequences, you LOST, don’t expect fair treatment or compromise.

        Spoken like a true partisan, political hack who couldn’t care less about the future of the country. Just remember, that coin has 2 sides.

        Remember all the times you and cluster and neo stated that if you won the election, you’d make no compromise? well, what’s good for the goose is good for the….well you know the rest.

        The difference, and I don’t expect someone with your limited intellect to understand, is that our side wanted to pursue policies that would get us out of the mess we’re in. Your side has only made things worse, and has no plans to address any of the problems we face, either economic or societal.

      • M. Noonan December 24, 2012 / 6:11 pm

        Spook,

        They really are missing the boat here, aren’t they? Not just our resident lefties here, but lefties I encounter all over the place. A gigantic shift is taking place in this nation while our lefties are just thinking its another cycle of GOP vs Democrats and everything is going to remain the same. I guess its because they still don’t see that the end is nigh for their blue model…I guess they think that fake money, usury and debt can keep going, forever. We know otherwise, and with our backs to the wall, we’re rethinking everything and looking for the path out of the mess…hopefully some on the left will wake up and come with us.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 6:26 pm

        Mark

        hopefully some on the left will wake up and come with us.

        ONLY when OPM runs out, or until they get a dog in the hunt by a national sales tax….but dont hold your breath, the commies have invisible walls around the plantation dwellers.

        RE Ko-nel west,
        we are NOT allowed to even point out the demographics of shootings and murder in this country….hell even ,this site with out hair on fire screams of racism, let alone to tell the kings of racism they have no clothes.

      • dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 7:02 pm

        Mark,

        I have a feeling that the boat they will catch is docking at a port somewhere between “Carter’s four years” (massive inflation) and the “Weimar Republic” (hyperinflation). When they finally do realize and rush for savior on such a rickety craft–it will take a good sailor to keep from capsizing the craft which they will start their insentient whine about how terrible the captain is. The captain who is busy saving them. Halfway through the voyage they will have forgotten everything and insist that they could have done it better. They do not learn from history.

        Reagan inherited a worse economy by all measures than Obama and turned it around in 3 1/2 years. Bush did them same in the first term then turned liberal in his second. Obama has already pulled a Titanic but wants to back up and make sure the tear in the hull is big & wide enough.

      • dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 7:23 pm

        My guess is you have no idea what the definition of “majority” is let alone something as the differences between governing and political trophies.”

      • dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 7:24 pm

        This was to James but could apply to most of the Libbots here.

      • Retired Spook December 24, 2012 / 8:23 pm

        That IS my opinion, Sasan. That’s largely what we do here on this conservative political blog is deal in opinions. That’s what you post almost exclusively — your opinion. I try to make my opinions on various topics as informed as possible, while you try to make yours as politically biased as possible. I freely admit when I’m wrong — can’t say I’ve EVER seen you admit to being wrong.

        I’d venture to say that the majority of Americans disagreed with you on November 6th.

        You fail to comprehend that the truth doesn’t need a majority to prevail.

      • tiredoflibbs December 24, 2012 / 10:27 pm

        Tommy boy: “Once again, elections have consequences, you LOST, don’t expect fair treatment or compromise.”

        And Democrats and their mindless dumbed down drones could not stop regurgitating COMPROMISE after they lost the White House and both the House and Senate. They also could not stop regurgitating using the filibuster as a means of protecting “the rights of the minority party” and “checks and balances”.

        Now in typical dishonest proggy fashion, you deceitful and greedy leftist a want to ignore what was said before and change the long established rules and practices of the House and Senate (passing health care not through normal Senate rules but through reconciliation).

        At least you admit proggies don’t want compromise, never have.

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 4:59 pm

        Spook

        And, as I’ve said before, you mistake me for someone who cares about the future of the GOP.

        Aaaaaamen to that brother…….TEA!!

      • neocon01 December 24, 2012 / 3:58 pm

        watstunthethirdgrade

        could you please call your congressman and Speaker Boehner and urge them to accept President Obama’s offer to avoid the fiscal cliff? Thank you.

        WHY?? like you sayWE WON…….. the HOUSE!!!

      • watsonthethird December 24, 2012 / 9:11 pm

        Clown, I was responding to cluster’s contention that the Republicans give Obama everything he wants. You mean you don’t agree with your buddy cluster? You two should have a talk.

      • neocon01 December 25, 2012 / 9:22 am

        waspstungthe **rd

        You mean you don’t agree with your buddy cluster?

        HUH?
        you really need to return to reading comprehension 101, or third grade.

      • tiredoflibbs December 25, 2012 / 10:21 am

        watty: “You mean you don’t agree with your buddy cluster? You two should have a talk.”

        Some of us don’t fall into lockstep. Unlike you and your ilk, we are not a bunch of mindless drones!

      • M. Noonan December 24, 2012 / 6:01 pm

        Watson,

        Of course I did – but most of that is just liberal BS designed to cover up liberal failure. The thing which can’t be escaped is that the left has shoveled money in to government for decades trying to reduce income disparities and all that has happened is that income disparities have increased. We, on our side, never much cared about income disparities because if we have a rational economy then people can rise in income…this is your, liberal mess and you’ve made it worse by your own standards. You are a failure in your own measure.

    • tiredoflibbs December 24, 2012 / 11:58 am

      Watty: “A cadre of Washington professionals advanced their careers by pushing through personal income-tax cuts during the administration of President George W. Bush that redistributed nearly 2 trillion dollars nationally over the past decade, mostly to high earners.”

      Watty, how does allowing people to KEEP more of their hard earned money redistributing “nearly $2 trillion nationally mostly to high earners”?

      That could only be true to only those who believe that wealth is owned by the government and we “take” more from the government through tax cuts.

      Tell me was money taken from the poor by the federal government an given to the rich, like it is from the rich and given to the poor?

      If you really believe that nonsense the you truly are a mindless drone.

  6. dbschmidt December 23, 2012 / 8:59 pm

    I do not speak for the moderators or the blog in any manner; however, your comment “you’ve lost credibility” has fitted you like a well tailored suit as long as I can remember (under multiple pseudonyms). Not a nice suit–just well tailored. Maybe it is you who should review your “if you cannot engage your opposition in debate” view as applied to yourself before casting stones.

    Maybe you should start by entering into reality. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Really???

  7. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] December 23, 2012 / 10:14 pm

    Honestly, I’m not here to debate blog rules I’m here to debate the issues of American society today.

    If your interest was to debate issues of American society today you would not have challenged blog rules by repeatedly engaging in blatant racism and sexism and bigotry against religion even after being told this would result in you being removed from the blog. You had many warnings and many chances and you made the decision to continue racist and ageist and sexist and bigoted comments. Now you pretend that you are not allowed on the blog because you represent some “challenge” to conservative beliefs. This is a lie, you know it is a lie, and you are still not allowed on the blog because every time you were given another chance it took you very little time to fall back into disgusting posts. //Moderator

    • M. Noonan December 23, 2012 / 10:16 pm

      Fred,

      It was only a small majority voting for Obama and at least 4 million people who voted in 2004 did not vote in either 2008 or 2012. They wouldn’t have made a difference in 2008 but might well have elected Romney in 2012. The votes matter – we lost; but it isn’t as if the nation has embraced Obama – especially as Obama and the Democrats continually and flat out lie about what they want. Once we figure out how to get the truth to more people, we’ll win.

    • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 23, 2012 / 10:55 pm

      “you are not allowed on the blog because you represent some “challenge” to conservative beliefs.”

      He’s far from the only one not allowed on the blog because of the challenge he presents to conservatives.

      Note to legitimate posters here: This person has posted 36 posts within half an hour, more than half consisting of the lie he tells above. Anyone reading the blog will know that the comment quoted in part and out of context does not say what it seems to say in the fragment he quotes. His persistence in trying to vandalize the blog and his repeated lie show the dependence of the Left on lies. His posts are nothing but insults attacks and lies and are not allowed on the blog. //Moderator

      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 23, 2012 / 11:48 pm

        “lies and are not allowed on the blog”

        And THAT is a lie–conservatives lie on this blog constantly.

        Here we see yet another lie. The original comment is here to see so there is no excuse for taking a few words out of context to try to make it seem that something else was said except for a sick need to continue lying. This deranged person has posted approximately 75 posts in the last hour or so saying only two things over and over again. This is why the blog has had to bring in outside moderators because sometimes a blog will attract the mentally unstable who become obsessed and delusional.

        //Moderator

  8. Jeremiah December 24, 2012 / 6:19 pm

    have a holly jolly 🙂

  9. dbschmidt December 24, 2012 / 8:06 pm

    Dems In Maryland, NJ, NY And Massachusetts Face Prison Time For Voter Fraud

    But, but, but this never happens…

    Oh, that’s right–it has to be the messenger (Fox News).

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