Intervention in Syria?

According to the headline number in the Washington Post/ABC poll, the American people say “no”:

In general, 73 percent say the U.S. military should not get involved in the conflict.

But the bad news is in the details:

But almost exactly as many say they’d support U.S. military involvement if Syria were to lose control of its chemical weapons, as do 63 percent if the Assad regime used these banned weapons against its own people – an action that Barack Obama has warned would “cross a red line.”

Now, I agree with the 69% who, later in the poll, say that if the Assad regime were to attack an ally, we should intervene – but for me the word “ally” in that area of the world only means “Israel”.  You’ve got to be the most obtuse sort of State Department pinhead to actually see Turkey as an ally these days – they aren’t quite as far gone down the route of Islamism as Egypt, but they’re heading there quickly.

For the duration of the Obama Administration you are going to find me to be the most dovish of people – because Obama is a foreign and military policy idiot and I simply don’t trust him to run either thing…and as during wars blood gets shed, I’m even more wary of Obama as Commander in Chief than I am as him being director of our foreign policy.  Short of absolutely surrendering our national honor, I want peace at any price at least until January 20th, 2017.

But this poll shows that if Assad does what he may well do – ie, go nuts –  then Obama has a ready-made public support for military action.  At a time when our military is already strained and we’re absolutely bankrupt.  What we’re likely to get, if Assad does go nuts, is a half-assed intervention along the lines of the mess we’ve made out of Libya…at a time when the non-Islamists of Syria are already mistrustful of us because of our dithering with the UN over the Syrian Civil War…and, of course, at a time when the Islamists of Syria are moving from victory to victory and likely to take over as soon as the barbarians can settle which particular batch of savages will get to be in charge.  There is no good we can do in Syria other than providing some medical and food aid to alleviate some of the worst of the suffering – and even that should be done by third parties we supply so that we don’t have to put Americans (ie, “targets”) in to the area.

Obama’s foreign and military policies have made the United States weaker than at any time since 1940 – and all we can really do is hope the fool doesn’t lead us in to a major war before he gets out of office.  And even then the damage he’s done and doing might make war inevitable once he’s out of office.

Stay out of Syria.  Get out of Afghanistan.  Bring the boys and girls back home and let’s hunker down for the remaineder of the Error of Obama.  (As an aside to you pinhead liberals out there – if Obama does order intervention then you’re not going to see me out there holding anti-war demonstrations and slandering Obama about the conduct of the war – I’m not, in short, going to be like you:  when the guns go off and our boys and girls are in harms way, then Obama is my Commander in Chief and I back him 100% in the pursuit of victory…I just hope the dolt can deliver it; or that the military can carry it off in spite of him).

24 thoughts on “Intervention in Syria?

  1. Retired Spook December 21, 2012 / 12:26 am


    Do you ever get the feeling that the whole world is spinning out of control, and there’s not a damn thing you can do except sit back and watch — and pray.

    • M. Noonan December 21, 2012 / 12:55 am


      Prayer becomes ever more important for me – but I pray for courage…

      In writing the new book with Matt I’ve come to the full realization of how lousy President Obama is. At first this astounds – how could he possibly have been re-elected? But then I realize that I – who consider himself pretty well informed – did not know all the truth until Matt and I started to gather it all together, and even of the parts known they hadn’t been connected in to a complete list and narrative. That is what we’re doing and, I believe, it will help – though in a small way – to spur people to action. Each thing we do helps, and Matt and I are doing what we can…writing the truth and we will publish it and we hope people will be willing to take it.

      And then, when that is done, I finish working on the book I’ve been writing for more than two years…a book devoted to the truth and, so, a book which will enrage…but the truth must be told. We can’t do anything until we all face the truth, and face all of it, all at once.

      Maybe when the story of our nation is told – maybe we will fall apart and become either submerged in a socialist morass which will kill us…or maybe we’ll break apart in to three or four different nations. Who knows? I want us to stay together and I want us to be the America my father fought for on Saipan. I think we can be that America – and that is what I work for.

      • Cluster December 21, 2012 / 8:12 am

        But then I realize that I – who consider himself pretty well informed – did not know all the truth until Matt and I started to gather it all together..”…………. Mark

        That’s actually disturbing. I consider myself more informed than the average person, and I know Mark is on another level than I am, but just what I know concerns me greatly, so if there is more to that picture – I am not sure I want to know. I still find it incredibly hard to believe that this President was reelected. On nearly every front, it can be easily argued that he is a complete failure, yet he is no doubt a master of bullshit and unfortunately too many people ignore results, and voted for the bullshit.

        I don’t know what this country, or this world will look like after four more years of this insane incompetent governance (including Harry Reid who still hasn’t put forth a budget), but I know it won’t be all that good.

      • Cluster December 21, 2012 / 8:24 am

        I want to expand on my comment above. Actually the next four years I think will be very good for those connected to the regime – unions and the liberal rich. But for those of us who live in fly over country, or are just your average wage worker, we can expect high unemployment, restricted capital, declining healthcare quality, and taxes on everything we do

      • The Return of Rathaven December 21, 2012 / 1:18 pm

        … and taxes on everything we do

        Thanks to Obamacare, we’re now taxed on things we don’t do.

      • Retired Spook December 21, 2012 / 1:27 pm

        That’s actually disturbing. I consider myself more informed than the average person, and I know Mark is on another level than I am, but just what I know concerns me greatly


        It may be disturbing to you, but you and I and the other Conservatives who frequent this blog are better informed than 80% of the population. Rush has been talking for the last couple days about the “low information voter”, and how Team Obama was able to turn out those people for whom facts are not only not important, they generally avoid and are confused by facts. It’s a sad reality, but a reality, nevertheless.

      • M. Noonan December 21, 2012 / 8:56 pm


        Mostly its a matter of remembering it all and then as you start to list all of it, the full pattern emerges. It was all reported – none of it was hidden. But it was page A-18, not page one…and some of it, believe it or not, was only really covered on some far left websites which are angry with Obama over this or that. Matt and I are being exceptionally careful to have everything sourced and it will be a devastating indictment of Obama. We want the conservative reader to be certain that if they cite the book, no one will be able to say “liar” about it.

      • Amazona December 22, 2012 / 10:51 am

        It’s worse than being a “low information voter”—it is being an incapable of analytical thought voter.

        Take the so-called War on Women——-someone with less information than necessary might just go by what she is told in ads, etc. But what she is told is so insane, so impossible, so STUPID, that it is not just a matter of not having enough information, it’s a matter of not knowing how to process the information she does have.

        Take the infamous ad run in Colorado which said that under Romney, employers would DENY ACCESS TO HEALTH care.. OK, that’s the information Ms. Lazy Voter gets. What scares me is what she does with it—which is, nothing.

        Does she spend a nano second thinking about this? Does she think “But my boss is a liberal Democrat—why would she deny me access to health care?” Does she think “Deny me ACCESS to HEALTH CARE—-I wonder if this means I can’t see my dentist, my podiatrist, my dermatologist?” Does she think “Wow—according to this, if I get cancer I can’t even get treatment for it? Or even find out I have it?” Does she wonder “Gee, how, exactly, would that WORK–the denying access thing. Is my gynecologist not allowed to practice, or am I just stopped from walking in the door? Who enforces this, and how?”

        It is so much more than just not having the information—it is lacking the mental capacity to know what to do with the “information” that is fed to them.

      • Retired Spook December 22, 2012 / 11:14 am

        It is so much more than just not having the information—it is lacking the mental capacity to know what to do with the “information” that is fed to them.

        Amazona, you have to lay the blame for that directly at the feet of our educational system which no longer teaches people critical thinking skills. Actually, “blame” is probably the wrong word because “blame” could give the connotation that it might have happened by accident, and the dumbing down of Americas’ youth has been a deliberate and calculated effort by the Progressive Left to produce several generations of the very kind of voters they need to stay in power. Perhaps “credit” would be a better word than blame, and I certainly give the party of “the ends justify the means” credit for doing what they had to do to win.

        What’s sad is that it would have been so easy to counter. Simple TV ads depicting a couple college-age women or two 20’s/30’s something women in an office setting or break room where one says to the other, “have you seen the ads saying Republicans are waging a war on women? Can you believe anyone would be so ignorant or misinformed to believe such garbage? Can you believe the Democrats are so callous and calculating that they actually believe women are that stupid?”

        You actually address this issue better than I do, Amazona. Many ads could be written using phrases from some of your comments on this issue.

  2. Jeremiah December 21, 2012 / 1:58 am

    Barack Obama is destroying America’s greatness and image before our very eyes. He will continue to allow mass graves in countries where Islam rules, while continuing to weaken America, and fulfill the vision that Frank Marshall Davis had for America, a third world country ran by communists. We have not begin to see the dark and carnal developments that will take place after January 21, 2013. We are about to lose our status as that “shining city on a hill” that was spoke about by the great, and honorable Ronald Reagan.

  3. bardolf2 December 21, 2012 / 2:50 pm

    “You’ve got to be the most obtuse sort of State Department pinhead to actually see Turkey as an ally these days.” – Mark

    Keen insights from a cubicle in Las Vegas.

    The US and Turkey are allies with the US maintaining a large military presence on Turkish soil. The Turkish people are more European than Middle Eastern and are just as materialistic as any westerners. We’re living in 2012 not 1571, even the abolition of the Ottoman Sultanate occurred 90 years ago. Turkey is a democracy, has no oil princes, is a G-20 member …. Lumping Egypt and Turkey together because they have Muslim majorities is like lumping the US and Mexico together since they are both have Christian majorities.

    • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:11 pm


      wake up and smell the bomb residue…..

      The established presence of Islam in the region that now constitutes modern Turkey dates back to the latter half of the 11th century when the Seljuks started expanding into eastern Anatolia. Islam is the main religion of the Turkish people

      in Turkey, where the CIA World factbook states that 99.8% of the country’s population are nominally Muslims

      • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:23 pm

        see above ^^^^

        – they aren’t quite as far gone down the route of Islamism as Egypt,

    • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:25 pm


      Lumping Egypt and Turkey together because they have Muslim majorities is like lumping the US and Mexico together since they are both have Christian majorities.

      are you really that clueless??

      • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:33 pm


        Those predicting a sudden apocalypse Friday have been disappointed, at least so far, as the day started and continued like any other. It seems the world is not ending, just the work week.

        By Friday afternoon, those doomsday prophesies had become the punch line of countless Facebook posts and at least several dozen T-shirts.

        At the ruins of the ancient Mayan city of Chichen Itza, thousands chanted, danced and otherwise frolicked around ceremonial fires and pyramids to mark the conclusion of a vast, 5,125-year cycle in the Mayan calendar.

        The doomsayers who had predicted apocalypse were nowhere to be seen.
        ***** Instead, people showed up in T-shirts reading “The End of the World: I Was There.”*****

      • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:47 pm

        MUZZLED: John Kerry Silent at Sec’y of State Nomination…

        Clinton skips…

        CLUB: Fellow senators quick to support…

        NPR: ‘Seasoned’ diplomat…

        Frequent Visitor with Syrian Dictator Bashar Al-Assad…

        Has Investments in Companies Accused of Violating Iran Sanctions…


        On January 31, 1971, members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) met in a Detroit hotel to discuss war crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed during their combat tours in Vietnam.

        During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians gave anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses stated that these acts were being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy.

        In April, the VVAW stormed Washington in a week-long protest. At its height, spokesman John Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to accuse the United States

        military of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam.

      • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:52 pm

        I have NO words for this lying piece of human garbage……JFnK

        “The Marines say they never leave even their dead.
        These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching begin them in the sun in this country….

        this from a F**K stick that spent LESS than 3 months on a **********BOAT*********

      • neocon01 December 21, 2012 / 4:59 pm

        John Kerry Still a Liar, Coward
        Kerry’s Execrable Record | 4/17/06

        1. Today is the 345th day since John Kerry promised to release his entire Navy record, including his 1972 Other Than Honorable Discharge and his alleged Official Letter of Reprimand for meeting with the enemy in 1971.

        2. With all that free time on his hands, Kerry’s minions continue with their campaign of personal destruction against the people who successfully informed the world of the senator’s crimes in time to help defeat Kerry in 2004.

    • M. Noonan December 21, 2012 / 8:52 pm


      What kept Turkey secular since the death of Ataturk was the military – which intervened from time to time to ensure the secular nature of the post-WWI Turkish State. But those days are over and the army is no longer interested in preserving a secular, Turkish State while the government of Turkey is steadily Islamizing the nation. Turkey used to be a majority Muslim nation which was friendly to Israel…now the Turks bluster on about how they will break the Israeli blockade of Gaza. They are no longer allies of the United States but our political leaders are simply too stupid to notice the change. What we should be doing vis a vis Turkey is massive encouraging the Kurds – which also works directly against Iran. Setting up a Republic of Kurdistan actually holds out the prospect of getting a majority Muslim nation in that area which would be friendly to us, now that Obama has sold our friends in Iraq down the river to Iran. We should also, while working with the Kurds, seek to set up within a Kurdistan a autonomous Assyria for the Christians of that particular area of the middle east…and we should be seeking to leverage out Syria (and whomever is the successor regime there) from the areas of both Syria and Lebanon which retain a Christian majority.

      But, no, we’re run by Obama…and like you he still sees not just Turkey but Egypt as an ally…

      • neocon01 December 22, 2012 / 11:38 am

        But, no, we’re run by Obama…and like you he still sees not just Turkey but Egypt as an ally…

        maybe because he is an America hating, marxist muslim himself?

      • neocon01 December 22, 2012 / 11:47 am

        REALLY?? REALLY?? we NEED guns WHY??


        Riot Breaks Out Over New Retro Air Jordan Shoes At TX Mall…

        Man shot and robbed for new kicks…

        COPS: Couple Beat Elderly BEST BUY Employee For Asking For Receipt…

        VIDEO: UPS man steals iPod left on doorstep by FEDEX…

      • Retired Spook December 22, 2012 / 12:11 pm


        See my first comment in this thread.

      • neocon01 December 22, 2012 / 12:45 pm

        Retired Spook December 21, 2012 at 12:26 am #


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