Just a Note on the Fiscal Cliff

Given the way Obama is getting insulting about the negotiations and, also, given the increasing level of hateful, eliminationist rhetoric from the left, my feeling is that we just dig our heels in and become increasingly unwilling to go along with the Democrat-led charade.  Agree to nothing.   Pass a bill out of the House keeping tax rates just where they are and cutting $1 trillion from FY2013 spending and then refuse to budge.  Also, refuse to raise the debt limit or pass any further continuing resolutions – pass a budget and then refuse to budge.

Does this carry risk?  Yes, it does – the American people might turn on us and toss us out of the House in 2014.  So be it.  I’m not about to be kicked and spat upon and then still be blamed for all the misery that Obama policies are bringing to the United States.  We can show our responsibility and patriotism by passing out of the House reasonable bills which actually address our spending and debt problems – let Obama and his toadies in the Democrat party and the MSM make of it what they will, and let the people decide next election time what they want.

UPDATE:  I was suffering from a really bad bout of stomach flu starting on the night of the 31st and continuing until just a few hours ago…so, I didn’t need Congress to make me sick to my stomach, for once.  Still, the additional nausea was unhelpful.

We really should have just passed a tax cut/spending cut bill and sent it off to the Senate to make of it what they will.  Look what going along with them got us?  Tax hikes, no real spending cuts and our brand so toxic that Chris Christie (who has killed his 2016 chances, entirely) not only throwing Boehner under the bus, but backing up a few times to run over him, again.  We’d have done better by sticking entirely to our guns.

And that is what we must do from now on – heck with Obama and his Democrats.  They are uninterested in what is best for America.  They just want to win.  Ok, so let them win – let them have it all…or, at least, as much as they can get with zero cooperation from us.  Just keep passing common-sense bills (which will be popular, by the way) and allow Reid and Obama to ignore or mutilate or whatever they want.  Can this eventually result in our loss in 2014?  Sure can – but so can nonsense like the “fix” to the fiscal cliff…how many GOP voters just said “heck with them” last night?  If we are to be defeated, then let us be defeated gloriously…and, who knows?, maybe if we fight for what is right, victory will crown our efforts?

32 thoughts on “Just a Note on the Fiscal Cliff

  1. Amazona December 31, 2012 / 8:14 pm

    Mark, I could not agree more.

    We tried to compromise, and we not only got screwed, we got no credit for trying.

    We tried to appease, with the same result.

    So why bother? We should do what we think is right, be ready and able to explain it, and above all be ready and able to point the finger exactly where it SHOULD be pointed when the excrement hits the ventilator.

    As I say, and have said since Nov. 7, I am not angry at Obama. He is doing what he believes in, what he said he would do. I am angry at the people who voted him back in even after it was so plain to see what he is and what he will continue to do.

    Stupidity, ignorance, bigotry, or any combination thereof—-I don’t care. It is on THEIR heads, more than on Obama’s, and they might need a taste of the true consequences of their votes.

    • M. Noonan December 31, 2012 / 8:25 pm

      My attitude it that it will take great hardship for the majority of the American people to wake up to how foolish they have been – both those who voted for Obama as well as those who ensured his victory by not voting. We’re heading over a cliff, all right, but it is a cliff of debt. I don’t know how long they can keep the balls in the air, but with Europe crashing in to deep recession and China and Japan about to follow suit, I don’t see how we avoid it (though there is the slight chance that our booming oil and natural gas industries – which are also reviving our steel industry – will get us through the worst of it…of course, this is due to fracking, and Obama now has four years to stop fracking by regulatory fiat). Whatever. I don’t want to be part of it any longer – debt is poison; big government is poison. If my fellow Americans really do want to poison themselves to death then they’ll do it without my cooperation. I’ll stand aside, offering rational policies, and hope they come along with me in the by and by.

  2. Retired Spook December 31, 2012 / 8:50 pm

    The American people have asked you to do so; heed their wishes.

    Actually, the American people asked no such thing. They voted to let Obama lead the country, but voted to let Republicans hold the purse strings.

    Off to ring in the new year with old friends. Agree with you and Amazona completely, Mark.

    Happy New Year everyone.

    • M. Noonan December 31, 2012 / 9:15 pm

      What he doesn’t realize is that the American people voted for a Republican House and that means they voted for low taxes and spending cuts. They also voted for Obama, which means they voted for high taxes and no spending cuts – the compromise is in the middle: give us half a trillion dollars in spending cuts and we’ll give you half a trillion dollars in tax hikes…but Obama and his stooges want it all, or nothing…so, let’s give them nothing.

      • neocon01 January 1, 2013 / 8:53 am

        Happy New Year……..all

        so, let’s give them nothing.

        these aren’t your daddies donkrats, these are hard core communist ideologues hell bent on making us cuba.

      • neocon01 January 1, 2013 / 11:54 am

        OT…but WOW!!!!

        Clinton Injured, US Navy Seal Killed In Secret US Mission To Iran?

        Economic Policy Journal ^ | 12-31-12
        The European Union Times is reporting a very different story about Hillary Clinton than what is coming out of U.S. mainstream media. I have no way to gauge the veracity of the EUT story, but merely publish it here for the record:

        A new Foreign Military Intelligence (GRU) report circulating in the Kremlin today is saying that United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was injured, and a top US Navy Seal Commander killed when their C-12 Huron military passenger and transport aircraft crash landed nearly 3 weeks ago in the Iranian city of Ahvaz near the Iraqi border.

        Iranian intelligence agents quoted in this GRU report confirm that the C-12 Huron aircraft is still in their possession in Ahvaz, but will only admit that the plane was “forced to land because of technical problems”.

        The US Navy Seal member reported killed in this bizarre incident, this report says, was indentified as Commander Job W. Price who as a leader of this highly specialized American Special Forces unit protects high-ranking diplomats traveling in Middle Eastern and Asian combat zones.

        Curiously, US media reports on Commander Price’s death say it being investigated as a possible suicide as he died from what the American Defense Department describes as “a non-combat related injury”.

        Equally as curious, US media reports state that Secretary Clinton will return to work next week after her having suffered what they describe as a “nasty bout with stomach flu” and a “concussion” which have kept her missing from public view the past three weeks.

        This GRU report, however, states that US military flight logs recorded by Russian air and space forces confirm that Commander Price, and other members of US Navy Seal Team 4, left their base in Urozgan Province, Afghanistan on a flight to US Naval Support Activity Bahrain where they met up with Secretary Clinton and all of them transferred to the C-12 Huron that began a flight path to Baghdad, Iraq.

        Within minutes of leaving Bahrain airspace, this report says, the C-12 Huron carrying Secretary Clinton and her US Navy Seal protectors, “without notice,” deviated from their assigned flight path heading, instead, directly towards Iran’s Ahwaz International Airport where, coincidentally, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had previously landed on an “unscheduled” visit.

        Important to note, GRU analysts say in this report, was that when the C-12 Huron entered into Iranian airspace neither American nor Iran air force units responded clearly indicating that this secret mission was sanctioned.

        Upon the C-12 Huron landing at Ahwaz, however, this report says it encountered “extreme turbulence” causing it to leave the runway where its main landing gear then collapsed causing it to crash.

        Within seconds of the C-12 Huron crashing, this report continues, Iranian emergency and security personal responded freeing the victims, including Secretary Clinton who was reportedly unconscious and “bleeding profusely.”

        After emergency aid was given, GRU agents stationed in Iran state that another US military flight was dispatched from Bahrain to Ahwaz which evacuated all of those wounded and killed in the crash including Secretary Clinton.

        UPDATE: State Department denies Hillary was injured in a plane crash.

        UPDATE 2:

        UPDATE: ABC News has reported on a U.S. plane making an emergency landing in Iran approximately 17 days ago.

      • neocon01 January 1, 2013 / 11:57 am

        Whaaaat??? she survived?????

      • Amazona January 1, 2013 / 8:13 pm

        I’d like to know the nature of the expected secret meeting with A-Jad, if this story is really true. If it would have been in the best interests of the United States,then kudos to Hillary for giving it a shot. But having seen the antics of the Obama State Department in the past four years, I’m thinking the plane crash—-if this is a true story—might have been a good thing. I am sorry a U.S. serviceman was killed, and I would never wish harm to a political foe, so I am also sorry if Hillary got injured, but without knowing the goal of the meeting I can’t say I am sorry it didn’t get to take place.

        And funny that a lame duck SecState would be sent off on a mission like this, particularly given the attitude of fundamentalist Muslims toward women.——and right at the time she was supposed to be testifying about the last State Dept. fiasco. A diplomatic coup with Iran timed to take attention away from Benghazi?

      • Norma Stitz January 2, 2013 / 4:26 pm

        I hear that Bill is so upset he announced he will suspend dating until Hillary gets out of the hospital

      • neocon01 January 1, 2013 / 1:03 pm

        “Socialism is not just about taking away your money; it’s also about making you praise the takers as your saviors. You are expected to feel good about being robbed of opportunities, talents, and success. You must agree that “you didn’t build that.” There must be a popular consensus that the crumbs you are getting back from the government are a sign of caring and largess — not a meager fraction of your actual earnings. Last but not least, you must sincerely believe that those who are trying to protect you from the thieves are really your enemies and deserve to be destroyed.

        Building up and maintaining such an illusion on a massive scale requires participation of the media, education, and entertainment industries in a coordinated, long-term propaganda campaign.

        Once the illusion reaches a critical mass, those afflicted by it become immune to facts, numbers, or rational arguments. Confronting them with logic will only cause more resentment, name-calling and, sometimes, violence.

        The little game of illusions that President Obama is running under the name of “tax cuts for the middle class” is part of the larger Game; it contains all of the above elements.”

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_socialist_mind_game_a_brief_manual.html#ixzz2GkCZazDl
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      • Retired Spook January 1, 2013 / 9:01 pm


        Does this paragraph from your linked AT article ring a bell:

        Maintain the perception of being constantly under attack. Don’t examine the opponents’ beliefs, nor answer their arguments. Discredit any media channels that offer them a platform. Enforce the following media template: the opposition is evil, treasonous, unfathomable, and psychotic. They can’t be reasoned with. They are inspired by fascism and financed by a conspiracy of shady oligarchs. Defame their donors. Whatever the mischief you’re planning to pull off, accuse them of doing it first; then proceed as planned, describing your actions as a necessary intervention. And above all, ridicule, ridicule, ridicule!

        I’ll bet people like Mitche, Truthie and James carry a copy of that paragraph in their wallet.

      • Amazona January 1, 2013 / 10:30 pm

        There could not be a clearer template for the Left, or a better description of what we have seen for the past few years.

      • Retired Spook January 2, 2013 / 12:37 am

        You notice where the author is from. We should listen to people who have lived under tyranny.

      • neocon01 January 2, 2013 / 8:42 am


        We should listen to people who have lived under tyranny.

        “Those Who Ignore History are Doomed to Repeat It”

      • Retired Spook January 2, 2013 / 10:38 am

        Interesting commentary by the AP on the fiscal cliff resolution hammered out late yesterday. The reaction of Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles kinda says it all:

        Weighing in with criticism of the compromise were the chief authors of an influential bipartisan deficit-cutting proposal, former GOP Sen. Alan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles, a former White House chief of staff under President Bill Clinton. They called the measure “truly a missed opportunity to do something big to reduce our long term fiscal problems.”

      • neocon01 January 2, 2013 / 12:18 pm

        “truly a missed opportunity to do something big to reduce our long term fiscal problems.”

        that is the plan……….Cloward-Piven

      • Cluster January 2, 2013 / 4:28 pm

        Wasn’t Simpson Bowles commissioned by Obama? Yes, I believe they were, so I guess we can dispel the notion that he is a serious President.

      • M. Noonan January 2, 2013 / 10:52 pm

        Blown entirely – but I don’t fault Obama on this. He’s just being the incompetent, dishonest, uber-left man we’ve all come to know…I blame the House leadership for still thinking in terms of “all of us care about America”. Obama doesn’t – not in the same sense we do. His concern is to make America in to something its not and must never be if it is to survive…our concern is for the real America. The House leadership has to grasp that this isn’t just another in a series of liberal vs conservative debates – this is, ultimately, for the whole ball of wax. What sort of America there will be in 40 years is at stake. If we want a free, constitutionally governed Republic 40 years from now, we have to start going toe to toe and not giving an inch – even if it means we temporarily lose at the polls. This whole, liberal edifice is going to come crashing down and if, meanwhile, we have been showing the way out of it, then we’ll be privileged to do so…but if we’ve just been “less of the same”, then the people will just eventually fall entirely in to a failed, socialist State which will at least provide free goodies (always fewer and fewer, but still “free”).

      • Cluster January 2, 2013 / 7:37 am

        That paragraph is the best summary of the Obama campaign that I have ever read.

      • neocon01 January 1, 2013 / 1:12 pm


        massive voter fraud in the blue areas…than the REST of the country

      • Amazona January 1, 2013 / 2:36 pm

        6206, are you genuinely ignorant of the meaning of what I wrote, or aware of it but trying to throw some chaff in the air to distract from it?

        Gerrymandering is the selective placement of district boundaries, to gain an advantage for one party or another. It happens all the time, to benefit both parties.

        I realize this sounds complicated to you, so let me explain. Let’s say there are two districts in close proximity in a given state, and the political balance in each is roughly equal. Gerrymandering would be redrawing the district boundaries to put more of one party in one district, if that party does not have a strong candidate in that district, thereby increasing the chances of that weak candidate’s victory.

        It’s manipulation and it is wrong and there is a lot of fussing by the Dems when the Republicans do it and a lot of fussing by the GOP when the Dems do it but no one will ever change the laws because it all evens out, with each party gaining here and losing there, and no one wanting to give up the opportunity to gain an advantage when one is needed. And there is the argument that sometimes odd-shaped boundaries are necessary to create districts with approximately equal populations.

        But gerrymandering does absolutely nothing to affect the number of people counted in the census of that state, which is the number upon which the number of Representatives is based, and therefore the number of electoral votes.

        What I was so clearly talking about is the packing of the census with illegal residents, to pump up the official population of a state, giving it the advantage of both an additional Representative and an additional electoral vote.

        As for your comment on more Dem votes being cast, any examination of the vote map will show that Dem votes are concentrated heavily in specific heavily populated areas, so the city of Denver, for example, can override the votes of nearly the entire rest of the state, due to the concentration of Dem voters in the metropolitan area.

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) January 1, 2013 / 4:46 pm

        about a million and a half more people voted for dem candidates than rep candidates this year.

        Well, that cinches it — Republicans in the House should just relinquish power and go home. The will of the people and all that.

        J6206, you’re one of those low information voters we’ve heard so much about, aren’t you?

  3. Cluster December 31, 2012 / 9:47 pm

    Agree completely with Amazona.

    I will remind our resident liberals of all the lies Obama has told you re: fiscal issues including but not limited to cutting the deficit in half, not putting debt on a credit card, and more recently taking a balanced approach. I sure wish you (liberals) would hold him to account one of these years, but it seems like he can just say anything and you let him get away with it.

    Happy New Year all

  4. Cluster December 31, 2012 / 10:44 pm

    Do you believe this ass wipe?

    “I have to say that ever since I took office, throughout the campaign, and through the last couple of months, my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement,” said Obama, according to a rush transcript of his remarks. “A bigger deal, a grand bargain, whatever you want to call it–that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way that doesn’t just deal with the taxes but deals with the spending in a balanced way so that we can put all this behind us and just focus on growing our economy.”

    Does he mean the deficit HE created? HE alone increases our deficit by $1.1 trillion annually, then has the gall to blame others for not resolving the problem? What a dick.

    I will tell you what, lets just go back to 2008 spending levels of $2.5 trillion.

  5. Jeremiah January 2, 2013 / 2:59 am

    If we are presented with the “choice” of submission to tyranny or fighting in defense of our natural rights, we will fight, as our forefathers fought, when the British Empire attempted
    to disarm them and confiscate the military pattern arms, ammunition,and supplies of their time. We will make the same choice as Patrick Henry made, when he rejected “peace” purchased at the price of chains and slavery, and said “I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!” I too choose liberty or death.

    I hereby reaffirm my oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor in defense of the principles of liberty enunciated in our Declaration of Independence, for which our forefathers
    spilled their blood. We will not let the Republic fall without a fight.

    If this is a quote please attribute the quote to the author and provide a link if possible. //Moderator

    • Jeremiah January 2, 2013 / 11:51 am

      Author unknown.
      Don’t know where the person I got it from, got it from.
      However, her name remains confidential.

      The Author of this piece, I agree with, and, puts the words together much better than I.

      You cannot use other people’s word without saying it is a quote. Posting something as your own is plagiarism and is against blog policy. It does not matter if you agree with it. //Moderator

      • Jeremiah January 2, 2013 / 6:32 pm

        I did not claim to own the property. Which is why I had placed it in quotations.

        Thank you for letting me know this bit of comment policy. I will be sure to have credits in the future.

      • Jeremiah January 2, 2013 / 6:33 pm

        Or at least I thought I had put it in quotations. Apparently not.

  6. Retired Spook January 2, 2013 / 10:36 am

    Interesting commentary by the AP on the fiscal cliff resolution hammered out late yesterday. The reaction of Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles kinda says it all:

    Weighing in with criticism of the compromise were the chief authors of an influential bipartisan deficit-cutting proposal, former GOP Sen. Alan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles, a former White House chief of staff under President Bill Clinton. They called the measure “truly a missed opportunity to do something big to reduce our long term fiscal problems.”

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