It Ain’t Over

The left, flush with victory last year, is intent upon destroying us.  Believing that the nation has permanently changed in their direction, the left wants us to shut up and go away.  Neo-Neocon puts it succinctly:

…A goodly portion of the preening triumphalism that has followed in the wake of the 2012 election involves just this kind of hatred: towards white men, the rich, Republicans, Christians, gun owners. There’s a lot of talk about how the demographics have permanently changed in this country, and perhaps that’s correct—and now the tables are being turned, with glee. It’s been a long time since the expression of real racism against black people (as opposed to imaginary and/or astroturf-generated racism) was acceptable in this country. But it’s now completely acceptable against white men, and this is an exceedingly ominous sign.

They do hate us and they do want us to go away – in their best moments, they believe we’re deluded fools who can’t see what’s good for ourselves; in their worst moments they consider us to be actually evil.  In either case, they don’t want us to have a say any longer in how the United States is governed.  To be sure, they continue to want our taxes, our service in the military and our compliance with their dictates…but they don’t want us raising objections.  Certainly no objections based on such tired, worn out notions as the rule of law.

So, that is what they want. What are we to do about it?  Keep fighting, of course.  But, also, change radically in how we fight.  Back during the 2012 campaign I first happened upon the Broke Party – a group of activists in the liberal strong hold of Chicago who were, justly, complaining about the corrupt political structure:  a political structure which made sure that the rich of Chicago stayed rich, the poor stayed poor and everyone kept voting Democrat.  I don’t know much about the people who started up the Broke Party.  Maybe there is an element of kookiness among them – I doubt that such people have read deeply in to the works of James Madison.  But they are oppressed people who are kept in the liberal cage – providing the political power liberals need to eventually crush those of us who are not yet oppressed.  And they want to be free of it.

We likely have more friends than we realize, but we don’t even try to find them.  I know I’ve been on like this since November 7th (and, really, for longer), but it is important.  Do any of us really think that the voters who go 90% Democrat in the blue cities really want to live in crime-infested, worn down, Third World pest holes?  No, they don’t.  You know that.  I know that.  They know that.  But they are sitting in a place where (a) they can hardly hear an alternative voice and (b) we refuse to go.  Its time we started going there.  Find the various “Broke Parties” and see if we can break them lose from the Democrats.  I think we can – maybe not a majority, but even getting 20-25% of them kills the Democrat party in a dozen States (they are really that dependent upon massive support in the urban areas).  If your worry is voter fraud then you should be even more interested in this:  they can get away with it now because no Republicans are around to watch…get some Republicans in there and they won’t be able to stuff quite as many ballot boxes.

If we hunker down and just try to hold what we have then we’ll eventually lose it all.  Douglas MacArthur was once asked his formula for defensive war.  His one word answer:  “defeat”.  You can only win if you attack – and if we don’t attack the liberal citadels, we won’t win – certainly not enough to make a clean sweep of liberalism.  We took a heavy defeat last November and we shot ourselves egregiously in the foot on January 1st.  Fine.  Over and done with.  Now is the time to fight.

40 thoughts on “It Ain’t Over

  1. Shawny Lee January 3, 2013 / 1:44 am

    You make a lot of good points but I’d like to add a couple. This regime falls apart at the moment Americans start finding common ground instead of blindly striking out against each other or groups based on fabricated messaging designed to divide. And I think we need to go in humbleness and with our hats in our hands this time. When I first started speaking out publicly about Obama’s war mongering and rule through executive fiat, his divisive policies, his failure to recognize the constitution or the rule of law and found it appropriate to end run our elected representatives at every turn…….the blowback I got was from real Democrats (not the communists calling themselves Democrats and Progressives) asking where the hell I had been when they were speaking out against GW Bush when he was taking us to war in a country who had not attacked us, when he was installing Homeland Security and the Patriot Act and running roughshod over any constitutional rights we ever had. AND THEY WERE RIGHT. Much of the power this administration now has came from so called conservative leadership. And if that weren’t enough, our so called conservatives in the House, McCain and Graham sold us out to NDAA. Obama may have dreamt of that but it was Republicans who handed it to him on a silver platter. Powers which no president of any party should have. We were too busy listening to the propaganda of our own party and the same lying media and ridiculing those raising the same issues we are are being buried by now. It was designed that way by those who succeed by instilling fear and false narrative to manipulate good and trusting people. But it has to stop now and we need to stand solidly with those who recognize and will fight against tyranny no matter what form it takes or who is in office. It’s not a matter of left or right, it’s a matter of wrong and right and not allowing the media or government to define that for us. We always had common ground on the important issues and defended each others right to disagree on the rest. That’s the America I grew up in and though some things have changed, it’s still the America people from everywhere else come to for a reason. And now a minority of leftists and hatemongers and destroyers would like to convince us they are the majority when we know that’s not true. It’s why they aren’t running on the ballots as what they really are. They have to run as one of the major parties they have infiltrated and lie their asses off to get elected. That’s because the majority of Americans are anti socialist, communist, or Islamic, you name the extremist organization which espouses to destroy America in order to install a totalitarian dictatorship. We get it. We just stopped clearly identifying individuals and organizations who are clearly anti American. We need to be reminded and our kids need to be taught.

    • neocon01 January 3, 2013 / 10:06 am


      And I think we need to go in humbleness and with our hats in our hands this time.

      that time is LONG GONE, it will take a complete collapse and fighting in the streets to rid our selves of the commie rats.


      Do any of us really think that he voter who go 90% Democrat in the blue cities really want to live in crime-infested, worn down, Third World pest holes?

      YES THEY DO!!!!!
      They made it, they inhabit it, they perpetuate it…………these hell holes are not old buildings they are man made by the inhabitants. Put Lipstick on a pig, but it still is a pig.

    • Retired Spook January 3, 2013 / 10:15 am

      Don’t really need to add much to what you wrote, Shawny. Several of us here have been calling for a Republican leadership change for some time. Absent the GOP becoming the CONSERVATIVE alternative to the Democrats, the GOP is likely to go the way of the Whigs, and one would hope the few truly conservative members of Congress would organized to form a new Conservative/Constitutionalist Party.

      I somewhat disagree with Mark that “it ain’t over”. It may not be completely over, but continuing to fight, at least overtly, is counter-productive. Any fight must be carried on covertly, as several here have suggested — ordinary citizens working to educate other ordinary citizens WRT the failures of the rising social democracy that is Obama’s end game. And fail it will, but it NEEDS TO BE ALLOWED TO FAIL. If all we do is act as speed bumps, the agenda media simply blames US for the failures. We need to stop letting ourselves be played into a corner.

      • GMB January 3, 2013 / 10:58 am

        “We need to stop letting ourselves be played into a corner.”

        Never happen, not while those who consider themselves the heavy lifters in the repub party are more concerned about what the talking libs at msnbc are saying about them instead of what the repub base voters think.

        Be kind of nice if Mr. Preibus would just come out and tell us SoCons to our face that he doesn’t want us in his party anymore.

        I can dream, can’t I?

      • M. Noonan January 3, 2013 / 9:04 pm


        Certainly, continuing to fight as we have been is a short trip to complete defeat…we need to re-do and re-think. As you’re aware, I’ve considered the possibility of a new Party – my “Christian Democrats” – and I still think the idea has merit, if we could get at least 100 House and 15 Senate Republicans (and maybe a few Democrats – Manchin, for instance) to join it; we’d also need a proportional number of “down ballot” Republicans at the State level to join. This would, of course, ensure Democrat victory in 2014 and 2016, so I still shy away from it because we’re possibly too close to the edge to give them that much power for that long. On the other hand, if we can’t build over the next 18 months a GOP which will fight this thing out, then a new Party will become the only rational way to go.

    • Amazona January 3, 2013 / 10:52 am

      Humbleness? Hats in hand? ??????????????? I guess the hat is in the hand after it falls off, us dropping trou and grabbing ankles in meek submission.

      “….running roughshod over any constitutional rights we ever had….” Well, uh, DUH, I can think of a LOT that remained intact, and would like to hear of any that were not. Oh, I know of a couple of things that exceeded prior restraints but am curious about what Shawny finds to be “…running roughshod over any constitutional rights we ever had….” Does s/he mean the Constitutional right to freedom of worship? To bear arms? Freedom of speech, INCLUDING on the radio and on the internet? The right to choose which contracts to enter into, with which entities?

      Does anyone remember the 2008 Dem primary? One very significant thing happened which remained under the radar. President George W. Bush called in the Dem primary candidates and treated them to an overview of the exact same intelligence he had been using as the basis for his decision. The whole enchilada. And when this happened, Hillary Clinton did a 180 on her anti-Iraq-War stance. Instantly.

      What this told me was that this information, to which we the American public were, quite rightly, not made privy, was so compelling that she realized that as President the only rational thing to do would be to continue on the same path, and she didn’t want to be caught out claiming an intent to change policy she suddenly realized she would have to continue.

      Barack Obama, understanding his base and having far less integrity than Hillary Clinton (and believe me, I choke on that statement…) continued his harangues, knowing that he would never be held accountable either by the public or the press for a later backflip–but when elected, he did continue the Bush policies, only gradually making incremental changes.

      So this shrill hysteria about going into a nation which had not attacked us—-a favorite mantra of the RRL—-is offset by the fact that apparently there was information at the very highest of levels of intelligence that led to this action. While the howling about the actions ofBUSH seems unabated, we overlook the fact that Congress voted overwhelmingly for these actions. They were not unilateral. They were not done by presidential fiat, by Executive Order.

      Getting sucked into hysteria over the war in Iraq is not productive, nor is howling over what BUSH did without considering that he had the support of Congress and the United Nations and several other countries, and that this decision was based on stuff we simply did not, and DO not, know.

      Yes, the Patriot Act was a knee-jerk reaction to fear and uncertainty. So deal with THAT. And come up with an alternative. While we are quite willing to force some Americans to pay for things that are against their religious beliefs, we seem complacent about the organized teaching and promotion of sedition, treason and terrorism in our own cities because this is taking place in buildings identified as places of worship. Why don’t we have anyone screaming that we should take on THIS problem and solve it?

      I suggest we either have to address this and strip away the thin disguise of “religion” to deal with these cells head-on, or we have to accept the fact that we have to have a means of removing the worst of the offenders in a secretive manner, in spite of the fact that doing so is distasteful and violates ONE constitutional right—that of speedy trial by one’s peers. I much prefer the first, but until we find the backbone to deal with this problem openly and clean out these nests of sedition and treason and terrorism operating under our noses because they claim it is all part of a “religion” we either let them rampage through the nation or we find another way to deal with the worst of them.

      • Shawny Lee January 3, 2013 / 12:13 pm

        Try not to get your knickers in a knot over my pointing out the obvious that we didn’t get this far down the hole we’re in with one party or one election. It’s wrong for any U.S. president to have this kind of power without restraint from our elected representatives. But it’s blatantly ankle gripping disasterous when you find that power in the hands of someone who doesn’t give a ratsass about protecting or defending this country. No failsafe, no trust, no confidence. I supported Bush and trusted him. That doesn’t mean I’m blind or stupid but fear has been used too many times to effectively manipulate us in the wrong direction to keep ignoring when it happens no matter who does it. When you’re weak any wannabe totalitarian tyrant is going to want to make you his date, that includes Muslim terrorists, narco terrorists, mafia terrorists, socialists, communists, unions, lying sack of crap presidents, you name it. If we can’t get back to the rule of law and some constitutional oaths being upheld, and at this point I don’t care what party is willing to make it their top priority, we’re going down the way every nation in history has. They had all of their rights right up until the time they didn’t. So save that energy for the fight and circling the wagons. It isn’t with me. I’m on the same side you’re on. The side that loves this country and will go down defending her.

      • Norma Stitz January 3, 2013 / 4:08 pm

        “Those who give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither.”

        Ben Franklin

      • Amazona January 3, 2013 / 4:55 pm

        Of course we didn’t get here because of just one party, but I don’t think it is helpful to allow the Left to drag in things that are not true, just to muddy the waters.

        Our focus has to be on vigilance in getting back to Constitutional law, and that will require a lot of work. We were just talking about that here this morning.

        My attitude is to ignore the President. Try to keep the House in full restraint mode to keep his spending as controlled as possible and then ignore him. Sure, he’s taking on imperial authority, but as long as more than half of the American public are so utterly stupid that they can’t see it, there is no reason to waste time trying to explain it to them. They are as fickle as they are dumb,and it will take being slapped in the face with the consequences of their actions to get their attention.

        Fortunately the real power is still at the state level, and here we can achieve something, because here we have less dependency on the Complicit Agenda Media to get the messages out. We can still have state Attorneys General filing suits against the feds for various infractions, and we can still have states refusing to support unconstitutional laws and demands

        Here in Colorado our main thrust is to unseat one of our Dem Senators, Mark Udall. He voted for the latest debt/tax debacle but the other Dem did not because he said it did not include enough spending cuts. We will be using this against Udall, as well as the rest of his record.

        We can’t go after Barry because he has built up a firewall of emotion to protect him, the carefully constructed lies of racism and the War Against Women and the class warfare crap and so on. Fine. Leave him to play with himself in the White House, and work at the state level to dilute his power.

    • M. Noonan January 3, 2013 / 8:35 pm

      Today I had a conversation with a “young person of color” who originally hails from San Francisco…and he was telling me that his grandparents didn’t immigrate to the United States in order to go on welfare…and, dang it, he voted against Obama on November 6th because his 2nd Amendment rights are important to him (he also promised that he really will eventually return that copy of “The Making of the American Republic” he borrowed from me a while back ago). As I said, we have more friends than we realize…

      As for the erosion of our liberties, I think it important for us to realize that far more potent in enslaving us is contraception mandate and bans on soda sizes. The NDAA is a big issue, but pales in comparison next to these attempts to not just micro-manage our lives but, in the former case, actually ban Christians (genuine, believing Christians, that is) from engaging in commerce. But there is a strong point to be made in we GOPers/conservatives being complicit in allowing the Executive to get way out of control.

      Of course, first and foremost, we should try to understand our Executive. Until the perversities of Lenin and Hitler came along, no Executive in the world held more direct power than the President of the United States. Few people seem to realize this – and those few who do tend to be very wise and well informed foreigners – but every four years we, the people of the United States, elect ourselves a Monarch who only has the following limitations on his power:

      1. He cannot appropriate money, appoint a cabinet, declare war or make a treaty without Congressional approval.

      2. He may be impeached.

      3. He serves for a fixed period of time, limited since January 20th, 1953 to no more than 8 years.

      For “1”, there are specifics in the Constitution prohibiting action without Congressional approval. But suppose a President just goes ahead and does it? Well, then there’s “2”, impeachment – but this requires not just a majority vote in the House, but a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict. And suppose there isn’t such a majority? Then the only thing we’ve got is the end of the President’s term.

      Given the nature of partisan politics, finding 67 Senators willing to convict a President is well nigh impossible. And so it has only been tried three times – failing twice (the third time – Nixon – would have succeeded, which is why Nixon resigned). Essentially, boys and girls, the President can do whatever he darn well pleases and the only reliance we have is that his term will come to an end…and this you can breath easy over because if ever a President did try to continue himself in office past the end of his term, he’d probably fail utterly at the effort because the people in charge of carrying out Presidential orders are bound to the Constitution, which says – in Obama’s case – that his authority to exercise Presidential power expires on January 20th, 2017 and so they would simply cease to obey him on that date (or, well more than enough of them would to make any attempt pointless).

      Executives started to get out of control with a Republican, Theodore Roosevelt. True, an argument could be made that Lincoln was the first out -of-control executive but we pass on that given that he did, after all, face an unprecedented situation of civil war which did not easily lend itself to constitutional norms. So, on to TR – it was he who made the ruling, for himself, that if the Constitution did not specifically forbid a President to do something, then the President could go right on and do it. We went at that moment from a land where the government was given certain, closely circumscribed powers to a government which had whatever powers it could sucker the people in to allowing it. FDR’s New Deal and Johnson’s Great Society were just natural outgrowths…as was Truman’s decision to send us to war in Korea (a correct decision, by the way) without a declaration of war (which should have resulted in his impeachment, but constitutionalism had already greatly atrophied by 1950). Essentially, we’ve always been at the mercy of the temper of the President – for a very long time, we followed the example set by the greatest American, George Washington (seriously, the greatest – we need vastly more monuments to him and far more study of him)…he could have taken the royal powers of the Executive and become a king; could have continued himself in office for as long as he wanted and probably could have named his successor. He didn’t. He refrained. He was a genuine republican. And we were blessed by this with a succession of President’s who actually self-limited themselves based upon Washingtonian precepts. Since 1901, though, we’ve been getting more and more royal absolutism from our Presidents – with the short efforts of Presidents like Harding, Coolidge and Reagan just slowing down the process.

      We have been slack – we do have to reign in the entire power of our government, including the power of the Presidency. Of course, this all comes back to making government smaller…after all, even a dictatorial President who lacks an EPA, Department of Education, Department of Homeland Security, etc will have far less scope to annoy and oppress us. But we also, I think, cannot necessarily carry the fight right off in terms of destroying Big Government…we first have to get people on our side for the immediate needs felt…and in the case of the people we need to get to 60% of the vote, this means the economy, religious liberty and ending one-party corruption in blue cities. And, so, this means we can’t go out quoting Madison – we need to go out finding our friends where they are and speaking to them of their needs…and by so doing not only gaining their support, but also educating them about the real, fundamental source of the problem…too much government. But its a step by step process and it will take time.

      • M. Noonan January 3, 2013 / 11:47 pm

        That was in the nature of going after pirates – always a legitimate policing action of a civilized power. The pity is that we don’t do a bit more of that, today. But, of course, we also used to hang pirates…

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) January 4, 2013 / 12:10 pm

        Simply put Mark, Jefferson did not have constitutional authority to seize ships belonging to the Bey of Tripoli & he knew it.

        Future presidents would defy their authority based on the idea that it’s a good idea to XXX (seize ships of foreign countries without congress declaring or even authorizing war, keep grandma from starving, supply teenagers with condoms, lock up American, citizens of Japanese descent etc.)

      • M. Noonan January 6, 2013 / 6:37 pm


        It is a tricky situation, to be sure – we can’t narrowly curtail the powers of the President, either, because the reason we have a President is for the emergency situation when we simply must have a person who can say yea or nay.

        A bit part of our problem is the way our legislative power has atrophied – with the direct connivance of the legislative branch which prefers to punt on tricky issues and let the Executive or Judiciary tackle the tough issues. The only thing the legislative likes to do is pass out goodies because that helps at re-election time…but as for all that tricky business of being a co-equal branch of government in sticking one’s neck out on the debt, war and such; nothing doing. The whole fiscal cliff mess was the result of legislative cowardice…back when it was made, all the GOPers were just hoping that a Republican would win in 2012 and thus get them off the hook for having to make hard decisions…and as for the Democrat legislators, we’ve already seen them implying they’d like it if Obama would just dictate the debt limit and spending levels.

        How to stuff some guts in to the legislature is unknown…but until we get at least half of our legislators being brave, we’re going to be stuck with an Imperial Presidency.

  2. Shawny Lee January 3, 2013 / 11:21 am

    I wish you success in your challenge to reform Republican leadership, Spook. That will take significant doing and we can’t convince others to join us while we are so divided ourselves. We can continue to identify the socialist members of congress and communist sympathizers in all of our leadership. We can lead the way in condemning them by their actions and votes each time they fail to honor their oath of office. Conservatives can narrow the platform to only things which government constitutionally should have domain over and work at getting the social issues which individual and states should decide out of the national argument. 4 years ago, people thought it was exaggerating to say Obama’s policies were socialist. Now you hear it often in the main stream media and coming from well respected individuals. So the word and the work is not in vain, the battle just fought in smaller increments and neighbor to neighbor, texts to tweets, comments on blogs telling others they’re not wrong or crazy or alone. The economy was unsustainable before the trillions were added to the debt and millions added to the entitlement rolls so it will fail sooner now. The impact of these same failed policies across the globe is being televised on the nightly news as a warning to all who will heed them. For all those lost, crime infested, bankrupt cities following the failed agenda down the toilet, we must raise the visibility on the ones which are working and safe and solvent as examples, praise and support them and their wise leadership. The silent majority needs to stand up and speak up. I hope you don’t mind but I found this video a lively and humorous educational tool so I posted it on the website I’m the administrator for and think you’ll enjoy it too. . Too many have given their all to give us what we have for us to ever consider giving up my friends. So we do whatever we can for as long as we are able.

  3. Shawny Lee January 3, 2013 / 12:31 pm

    p.s. to Spook. My neighbor and good friend Chuck, a lifelong Democrat and former Army intelligence back in the day when the communist threat was on the nightly news and dinner table discussion, is the one who confirmed to me that Obama was no kind of Democrat. They may not want to say it out loud, but they know and many are just as angry at what their party has become as we are with ours. Those are the Americans we need on our side.

    • Cluster January 3, 2013 / 1:38 pm

      I agree. We need to build a coalition of Reagan democrats (if there are any left) and conservative republicans, but I also agree with Spook. We need to get out of the way and let this regime fail. At this point, if we continue to filibuster, the media and the regime will simply lay the blame at our feet.

      Let the liberals and those who voted for Obama live the failure of liberalism in all it’s glory.

    • Retired Spook January 3, 2013 / 1:48 pm

      They may not want to say it out loud, but they know and many are just as angry at what their party has become as we are with ours. Those are the Americans we need on our side.

      Shawny, a few of those disaffected Dems and, more particularly, Dem-leaning Indiependents did come over to our side on November 6th. The dirty little secret, however, is that a lot of Democrats that you would think could be swayed, like winning more than they dislike what their party has become. I know a number of them.

    • Amazona January 3, 2013 / 5:12 pm

      The biggest mistake we have made is to let the Left define the battle, which they did by making the recent elections about issues instead of about government. I fought that battle here on this blog, being savaged for saying the GOP should be about Constitutional government and not about abortion or gay marriage or any of the other issues the Left has baited us with.

      If we have a strongly Constitutional government, the rest will take care of itself. Most of these issues can only be resolved at the state level anyway but we get lured into baying after one issue and then another, each one putting us in conflict with some other group.

      The only conflict should be big government vs small government, the Constitutional model of a federal government severely restricted as to size scope and power or a central government unrestrained in size or scope or authority. On the grounds of governance we win. But we turn our back on the one thing that we are REALLY fighting for, a Constitutional form of government, because we are just as dumb as the Dems and just as easily distracted by our emotions.

      The Founders set up a form of government in which the federal branch is exclusively about protecting the nation and its citizens, leaving virtue and morality to the states and to the people. This is where charity should be addressed, and they came right out and said so, bluntly and in those words.

      I would give anything for a presidential candidate clear on this–one who answers stupid media gotcha questions with a version of “What does that have to do with the way the nation is governed? What does that have to do with the Constitutional power and authority of the presidency? ” And then explain that, again and again and again and again, till it finally starts to sink in. One with the backbone to say “My opponent is trying to suck you in by bombarding you with things to appeal to your emotions, for the simple reason that he can’t successfully argue that his big government model will work—because it never has. Instead of coming right out and admitting his hope that maybe it will work, somehow, THIS TIME, he is just trying to get you to ignore the most important thing about a presidential campaign and focus on things that don’t even fall within the authority of the presidency.”

      But NOOOOOO, our guys play the same dumb game, and play it badly.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) January 3, 2013 / 7:45 pm

        Listening to Paul Ryan last night of HH, I assume you did as well. He stated what I observed, that the ticket attempted to make the election about big things, big ideas and a consistent form of fiscally conservative governance. The media didn’t report it, the interviewers didn’t question it, and the public didn’t hear about it.

        It does no good for the candidate to talk about self-reliance or personal responsibility when all the questions are about the candidate’s designs to take away a woman’s right to choose or the Republican Party’s platform of letting grandma starve or die without any health care available.

        Once the liberals and the willing accomplices in the media agree that the “when did you stop beating your wife” stratagem keeps the center-right candidate on his heels, they pursue it with vicious intent until the minimum information public start demanding the candidate be specific about the time and place when the beatings stopped.

        Clinton was successful at this approach with “It’s the ECONOMY stupid” but the Press played along.

        While it’s nice to think we can have a Reaganesque candidate who would handle the Press as Eisenhower did, those days are gone and neither Reagan going over the heads of the lapdog media, nor Eisenhower insisting the Press behave professionally will cut through the systemic prejudice with an unassailable (unflappable) message.

        Further, neither Romney nor Ryan nor the RNC could prevent “legitimate rape” from being used as a bludgeon once spoken by anyone with a (R) after his/her name, the opposition party has no comparable constraints; Maxine Waters or Debbie Blabbermouth Shultz can say the most outrageous things and never have those views applied to Obama by the Press.

        One last thing; McCain and Graham are not in the “House”, they’re in the Senate.

        Now it’s back to lifting the millstone for me.

      • Amazona January 3, 2013 / 11:58 pm

        Count, it was just a wish list.

        I didn’t hear Ryan but my point is that we didn’t need to try to make the election about “big” things but just about one, which is big but can be summed up as a choice between the Constitution and its opposite. I think the “big message” is TMI for too many Americans and still left holes the Left could drive through—–“fiscally conservative” could be, and was, demagogued into class warfare by the constant refrain of “fair share” and “1%”.

        If we adhere to the Constitution, fiscal conservatism is a given.

        And please don’t be dissing TJ—he is still my political hero. I’m reading “Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power” and aside from him hustling a married woman, in his youth, his image remains for me largely untarnished

      • Amazona January 4, 2013 / 12:05 am

        If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

        James Madison

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) January 4, 2013 / 12:19 pm


        You know of my admiration of Jefferson, he was admonished by the very same Madison regarding the seizing of the ships belonging to the Bey of Tripoli.

        Understanding that the desire to go to war was chiefly the instrument of the head of state, or executive branch the constitution, per Madison had given the authority and responsibility to a deliberative body rather than to a single, potentially hot-headed person. this is why, even though the pasha had declared war on the US Jefferson was constrained from engaging in that war (seizing ships, going after pirates) beyond using the military to protect American lives and commerce.

  4. dbschmidt January 3, 2013 / 5:05 pm

    It ain’t over but it doesn’t mean they aren’t trying real hard. More than the GOP (disclosure here–I am a Libertarian) needs to get out of the way of the TEA, Broke party members, the OathKeepers and other “right” minded individuals that still believe in the Constitution and the rule of law–we also need to turn back the onslaught on some of our most valued rights–you know, the God given ones.

    Not just in what I posted below but just about everywhere I have been, watched or listened to over the past couple of days we are being assaulted on the 1st (Fairness doctrine), 2nd (restrictions on guns and ammo), and several other Amendments.

    Aside from what I post below–Bob Owens has several articles well worth the complete read over the past couple of weeks and is much better spoken than I. Here is an excerpt from today’s post;

    Bob Owens
    Written By: Bob – Jan• 03•13

    “At great personal cost, the Founding Father purchased a precious gift for us. They risked their lives, their homes, and their reputations and endured becoming traitors. They did so in order to throw off the chains of monarchy in order to preserve the freedoms given by God, which should never be constrained by man. After years of famine, defeat, and hardship after a war against the best military of its day, the Colonials defeated the Regulars and established our right to three boxes.

    Many of you know the boxes of of which I speak. They are the soap box (freedom of speech), the ballot box (freedom to elect out own leaders), and the cartridge box (right to bear arms against enemies foreign and domestic). When treated with the seriousness and reverence they deserve, this political trinity has served this nation well.”

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    • neocon01 January 3, 2013 / 5:23 pm

      we are fighting a party that has by all accounts become socialist/communist. They lie, CHEAT, steal elections.
      we will NEVER turn things around by being the nice guys because we will never “defeat” them in “fixed” elections.
      All the talk in the world wont repair this mess we are in, and convincing a few million real voters to come to our side will be off set by ballot stuffing, illegals stuffing, dead voters stuffing,etc ad nausium.

    • M. Noonan January 4, 2013 / 12:47 am


      Then lets see if we can get a TEA/Broke/Oath rally going…and not just marching down the Mall in DC, but marching through downtown San Francisco, New York and Chicago…

  5. Jeremiah January 3, 2013 / 6:31 pm

    Death Panels still on the table – rationing of healthcare

    Writes Yglesias: “On the one hand, older people have more need for health care services which militates in favor of allocating spending to them. On the other hand, providing health
    care services to younger people generally offers better value in terms of years of life and quality of life saved.

    “A 25-year-old who’s in a bad car accident can, if found in time and treated, still live a very happy and healthy life. If you’re 95 and get into the same car accident, then treatment is going to be much more difficult, recovery will be much less complete, and in the grand scheme of things you’re not going to live very long anyway.”

    Yglesias argued that not only is health care spending on the elderly the key issue in the federal budget, “our disproportionate allocation of health care dollars to old people surely accounts for the remarkable lack of apparent cost effectiveness of the American health care system.”

    The writer contended that when a patient is over 80, “the simple fact of the matter is that no amount of treatment is going to work miracles in terms of life expectancy or quality of life.”


    They talked a lot about “pushing granny over the cliff” in liberal commercials, but who is really pushing granny over the cliff?

  6. Norma Stitz January 3, 2013 / 7:50 pm

    I don’t condone violence per se, but I think Jeremiah and Neocon and Amazons are on a better track to conservative success than the others on this thread.

    Freedom must sometimes be fought for. It must never be compromised.

    • neocon01 January 3, 2013 / 8:50 pm

      a lunatics lunatic…….

      Al Gore’s Current TV Rebuffs Advances by TheBlaze, Agrees to Sell Channel to Al Jazeera

      • Time Warner Cable drops channel after sale

      Gore Claims al-Jazeera shares Current’s mission

      • Reporter left al-Jazeera in 2008, citing anti-American bias

      • TheBlaze executive confirms quick refusal to discuss deal

    • Amazona January 3, 2013 / 11:45 pm

      Norma, don’t link me with violence. I think discussing it feeds into the Leftist narrative of conservatism. I detect a note of anticipation in some of the comments and while it may be posturing and bravado I am not comfortable with it.

      Of course, out here in the West we don’t talk about stuff like this, we just do what has to be done when it has to be done.

      • neocon01 January 4, 2013 / 4:01 pm

        while it may be posturing and bravado

        could also be a warning to those in charge if they keep it up.
        a rattle snake rattles before it strikes…….
        after all that is how we were founded and sustained.

      • neocon01 January 4, 2013 / 5:45 pm

        TV Anchor Gives The “Politically Incorrect Truth” About The Second Amendment (video)

        RealClearPolitics ^ | January 4, 2013 | RealClearPolitics
        WXIX-TV Tucson reporter

        Ben Swann takes a look at what he called the “politically incorrect” truth about the Second Amendment. In his “Reality Check” segment for the local FOX affiliate, Swann explains the true intention behind the Second Amendment. “This is where American history becomes very politically incorrect because the Second Amendment was not drafted for hunting, or just self defense from an attacker. The Second Amendment was put into place to guarantee the rights of the individual to be equally armed as military, both foreign and domestic, in the event that the citizenry might actually, at some point, have…

  7. thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 January 5, 2013 / 1:08 pm

    Well, you clearly didn’t do much research on the Broke Party, Mark (research clearly isn’t your forte in general). You just think dislike of Obama is enough common ground. But here is what the Broke Party wants, per its own Facebook page:

    1. The Broke Party firmly request that Black children between the ages of 13 – 30 be given amnesty for any past charges against them, and that a commission that includes those with past criminal backgrounds be selected to implement policy to combat youth violence.
    2. That the U.S. Department of education funds the implementation for Swahili to be a second language for Black Americans, and mandatory Black curriculums in every public school in America and that Chicago must have an elected school board.
    3. That Black Americans receive 35% of all federally funded business and research contracts in the U.S.
    4. That the Unions executive order for collective bargaining contract be reduced from 85% to under 50% and that U.S. congress legislate Black African Americans to have 35% collective bargaining rights to all federally funded jobs and contracts in the United States.
    5. We firmly request that Black Americans be commissioned to control and direct the educational aspiration of Black children in America, and that corporate privatization of public school be reversed.
    6. We firmly request that housing be a guaranteed right for natural born citizens (not those who are born in this country illegally) and that the federal government build at lease three hundred thousand housing units in every city to combat homelessness as well as select a housing commission to ensure that those public housing residents displaced by the Plan for Transformation are provided the housing choice they were promised with the right to return in every city in America effected by gentrification, and that all the banks or trust companies in America that participated in the sub-prime mortgage second loan scheme be compelled to decease foreclosures and return the homes back to the home owners who lost from the scheme and others who were turn down for loans after the government bailout.
    7. We firmly request that Black people receive 50% all jobs positions especially in the Justice Departments , CIA-FBI-ATF-Homeland Security and the like to protect our race from selected or enforced prosecution, and that city level fire and police departments jobs come from within the city of Chicago, and that a commission is selected from all walks of life including people with past criminal records to review police abuse and misconduct with the authority to set penalties.
    8. We firmly request that all natural born citizens (save for those born here illegally) receive the same medical services as the United States Congress, and those visitors and illegal’s receive Medicare.
    9. We firmly request that all law enforcement officials as well as judges and prosecutors be given prison time and fines for supporting, engaging or complicit in false arrest or detention of innocent persons.
    10. We firmly demand that there be corrective measures to revise city, state and federal policies, such as high taxes on small property, government enforced upon the people to use cable for television services over regular TV, law enforced child support payment laws, housing rules geared at poor public housing residents and increased interest rates to join a parking ticket payment plan to name a few, all implemented to suck the life out of poor Black people.
    11. We firmly request an Executive order to create a Black Federal Bureau to implement the wellbeing and protection of Black Americans in the United States of America as well as a commission to research the dire need for reparation for Black Americans.
    12. We firmly request that in all the states where the formerly incarcerated cannot vote that the President compel the Justice Department to enforce the 1965 Voting Rights Act, moreover, signs an Executive Order given all natural born citizen with criminal backgrounds (save for those found guilty of treason) mandatory right to vote.
    13. We firmly request that mayor Rahm Emmanuel and his Police chief McCarty resign because of their racial policies in the Black community that has created an unprecedented situation for the murder rate and gun violence in Chicago to sore because they refuse to work with the community advocates and activist outside of law enforcement officials covertly arresting young Black males whom are not the ones doing the shooting and murdering filling up the jails for political rewards, and further ignoring that crime is really up in the city; the teens doing the shooting do not hang on the street corners.
    14. We firmly believe that in order to carry out the aforementioned we must have economic empowerment and at lease own and control 40% of the Seven Sectors of World Power. *Finance-the money needed to buy power and create wealth. *Energy-the natural resources needed to furnish the world, such as gold, gas, diamonds and uranium. *Agrarian-to grow the food we depend on to live and the land to house our people. *Industry-to produce, manufactory our clothing, and build the ships, trains, planes and weaponry to protect our people. *Information-needed to educate, develop and empower our people through TV and radio air waives and the computer technology and news out lets to inform and discipline to carry in out. *Religion-seeing that the church is the motivating and influential sphere of our race- we must identify a spirit that service the Black purpose and thus bring the Black race into a single and significant mindset for the betterment of the Black race. *Laws-power to write, create or legislate and implement policy and regulations. This is needed in order for Black Americans to build a foundation in this country and to protect ourselves from a element of hatred and racism.

    If you think you can get the TP on board with that program, I’d love to hear how.

    This poster is not usually allowed to post here, after disregarding repeated warnings about violating blog standards, and usually has every post automatically deleted. But the decision was made to leave this one because if it is a real list of demands by a real group there is value in being able to see the insanity that prevails on the far Left. //Moderator

    • M. Noonan January 6, 2013 / 6:45 pm


      Actually, you’re just too obtuse to see what I’m saying – I understood there could be a great deal of kookiness in the Broke Party…but they are still my brothers and sisters and they aren’t free. I care about them. You don’t. Perhaps the difference between a conservative, like me, and a liberal, like you, is that I actually work and live with people of different racial backgrounds. Heck, my own family is racially integrated. I know from listening to black people and Latinos what they’re concerned about. How do you find out? Latest press release from PUSH?

      Take a look at what you quoted – point 14: that is Distributist. That is Federalist. That is deeply American and Christian. That is my entrance – I will address just that. I will ally with just that. And if I can get just 25% of them to vote my way, you’re whole ideology is doomed.

      • Amazona January 7, 2013 / 12:07 pm

        Well, I don’t think there is “…a great deal of kookiness in the Broke Party…” I think they are flat-out nuts.

        And while I understand your yearning for a different structure of our society, if you believe that the government has the right to reorganize society, and industry, to fit a template someone thinks is “better” then you are exactly like the Left, which believes the same thing.

        The only difference is the template.

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