Rush Nails It!

I, like Mark Levin, am so disappointed and infuriated with this wanna-be imperial President that I have had to detach myself from the political scene as of late. I no longer watch any political shows nor do I listen to talk radio much anymore with the exception of ocassionally tuning in to Hugh Hewitt and Rush. I didn’t hear this the other day on Rush, but I did read the transcript this morning, and his take on the POTUS, and Washington DC, is about as spot on as I have read in a long time. In his words:

RUSH: Let me tell you what I think, and I’m gonna tell you this in a balanced way — a balanced and fair way. What I think is really going on here is our president, Barack Obama, if you’ll note, really never talks about plans and proposals to solve problems. What he does is position his political opponents as the enemy. Everything he did today in the debt limit Q&A in his press conference, and even in the setup, was about the enemy. The Republicans are the enemy.

He’s not proposing solutions to anything. He’s not interested in solutions. As far as Obama’s concerned, there isn’t a problem, other than the existence of opposition to him. I mean this from the bottom of my heart. The biggest problem to Obama is the existence of opposition. And I’m telling you: I firmly believe everything going on in Washington today — everything inside the Beltway, in the media, in the think tanks, in the halls of Congress, everything — is oriented toward eliminating a viable opposition. Be it on the radio, be it on television, be it in Congress, wherever.

I think both parties have this goal. I think the Republican establishment is of the same frame of mind as Obama is, that the opposition is conservatives. The opposition is conservatism. And that’s why we’ve had some people ask me, “What was Colin Powell doing?” Colin Powell was on Meet the Press yesterday doing what Scarborough did on MSNBC this morning, which is what a lot of Republicans are doing, and that is criticizing conservatives. Every problem we’ve got, from the gridlock to intransigence to spending, it’s all the fault of conservatives.

And even the Republican establishment agrees with this………..To understand everything happening in Washington, understand that the objective is the elimination of any serious potentially viable political opposition to Barack Obama and the Democrats.

The Obama press conference yesterday was an embarrassment. Now mind you, I didn’t watch it because I refuse to listen to anything this man child says, but I did read the transcript and what struck me was the whining by the POTUS, mainly about how others speak of him. Does he think he is above criticism? He accuses others of wanting to throw old people off of a cliff, and starve autistic children, BUT he is offended if someone refers to him as a “big spending Socialist”? I thought spending was his recipe to turn this economy around, and I thought progressives, such as he, thought that socialism was preferable to capitalism. So what is there to be offended about? He should embrace his socialist tendencies, after all that his what his base elected him for.

The fact is, he is not offended, he is simply trying to eliminate his opposition through ridicule and shame. He has repeatedly said that if Congress doesn’t act on any particular issue, then he will act unilaterally, and by refusing to compromise and keeping his opponents on the defense, he will be able to act unilaterally aided by a complicit media and Senate that encourages him every step of the way. Gun control is the latest “crisis” that Obama will unilaterally act on, as he is being encouraged to do, but this is just the first “crisis” of his second term. There will be many more to follow, and through these manufactured crisis’s, will come executive fiat. Welcome to your very own Banana Republic.

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51 thoughts on “Rush Nails It!

  1. Retired Spook January 15, 2013 / 1:12 pm

    A significant number of Obama supporters are not only not offended by his tactics, they applaud the fact that he’s so skilled at marginalizing his opponents, to the point where they voted against their own economic self-interests. I’m not sure how you combat that dynamic.

  2. Amazona January 15, 2013 / 1:17 pm

    “What he does is position his political opponents as the enemy. Everything he did today in the debt limit Q&A in his press conference, and even in the setup, was about the enemy. The Republicans are the enemy.”

    We see the same dynamic here on the blog. The RRL types do not come here to discuss politics. They do not come here to discuss solutions to problems. They do not come here to express reasoned explanations of their political beliefs and defenses of them.

    No, they come only to attack. They have a deep-seated need to have an “enemy” upon which to focus their impotent rage and hatred, and this administration has given them one—an undefined entity known only as “conservatives”—-a catch-all phrase which they use to encompass everything they are told they should hate.

    We have been watching this strategy develop over the past four or five years, and lately we watched it take over and dominate an election cycle which should have been, in a rational nation, a decision about how best to govern the nation but which was carefully manipulated into a war against an ‘enemy’.

    It’s a mob mentality, carefully crafted and nurtured by experts in mob rule. We can look at the American Revolution and compare it to the French Revolution to see the difference between a legitimate uprising against tyranny and an explosion of mob rule, fed by those who would benefit most from it.

    The rule of law created by our Founders was designed in part to keep this country from descending into this kind of mob rule, but that only works when we follow that rule of law.

    Theoretically, we sift through the rubble to sort out the best, the most committed to serving the nation, the most aware of its foundation and rule of law, to serve in Congress, and theoretically we should be able to count on them to override the blind emotions of the rabble when they are stirred up by demagogues. Sadly, we now elect people with no more commitment to our Constitution and its rule of law than the average emotion-driven man on the street who is manipulated into passionate hatred of an “enemy” and focused not on how best to run the country but on how to destroy this enemy.

    • Retired Spook January 15, 2013 / 1:35 pm

      Sadly, we now elect people with no more commitment to our Constitution and its rule of law than the average emotion-driven man on the street who is manipulated into passionate hatred of an “enemy” and focused not on how best to run the country but on how to destroy this enemy.

      Amazona,

      The election took the wind out of a lot of Conservatives’ sails. Last Tuesday we attended our first Tea Party Patriots meeting since the election. (we were out of town for the one in December). There were 18 people in attendance (normal attendance is around 100). There really was an air of bewilderment and despair, and we’re basically starting over from the ground up. I have no idea if this is the case with the Tea Party across the country, but it’s most certainly the case in northeast Indiana. Those of us who are still committed to Constitutional/rule of law governance will likely never quit until we’re either dead of imprisoned, but if the Tea Party movement fades away, there will be no stopping the erosion of both liberty and prosperity, and we’ll leave a legacy to future generations that will bear little resemblance to the America we grew up in.

      • Cluster January 15, 2013 / 2:45 pm

        …we’ll leave a legacy to future generations that will bear little resemblance to the America we grew up in.

        What a sad, sad statement. But I don’t disagree. This country already doesn’t resemble the country I grew up in

  3. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) January 15, 2013 / 2:08 pm

    We see the same dynamic here on the blog.

    Not nearly so much since the election, which lends a bit of credence to the speculation that at least some of the trolls were paid provocateurs. It’s a much more pleasant experience to not have to wade through the troll dung, although I do somewhat miss Bozo — almost never agreed with him, but at least he was witty and not nasty.

    • bardolf2 January 15, 2013 / 6:34 pm

      ” .. which lends a bit of credence to the speculation that at least some of the trolls were paid provocateurs.”

      Good one!

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 7:15 pm

        baldork

        you were never included in the paid side of the equation for obvious reasons.

  4. M. Noonan January 15, 2013 / 3:35 pm

    Obama also thinks that by doing this he’ll secure a Democrat House majority in 2014 and thus in the last two years of his Administration be able to complete the fundamental transformation of America he set out to accomplish. He’s not setting up for “victory” right now but to make it appear that the only reason things are going wrong is because of the GOP in DC…and it is astounding that a lot of the DC GOPers are going along with this (their theory being that we can’t win if GOPers have to bow to TEA Party types and so better to destroy the GOP and rebuild it as a “less of the same” party).

    Will it work? It might. On the whole, as I’ve said, I’m happy to re-fight the gun control battle – I think it remains a winner for us. But it gets more tricky on the debt ceiling and government spending because we are heading back in to recession and Obama is looking to ensure that we Republicans take the blame for it when it happens. To be sure, if Obama and the Democrats nationalize the 2014 mid-terms as an “anti-incumbent” campaign that will work against Senate Democrats, as well – but they probably figure they can keep their losses to 5 or less; even at 50 Democrat Senators, Biden casts the tie-breaker and so Obama agenda can still sail through (count on it that things like filibusters and Senate rules will not stop Reid if he’s got a Democrat House to rubber stamp things for him). On the other hand, the basic dynamics of mid-terms – and especially the mid-term in the 6th year of a Presidency – bode extremely ill for Democrats; their hope is a repeat of 1998 rather than a repeat of 2006 or 1986.

    How do we stop them? Well, the gun control issue already helps. 250,000 people have joined the NRA in the past two months and enough guns have been sold to equip both the Chinese and Indian armies (more than 3,000,000 troops) with new weapons. Gun rights people take this stuff exceptionally seriously and a lot of “purple” Democrats in the House and Senate will be extremely wary of doing anything to offend…but a skillful campaign of tying Democrats to Obama’s upcoming executive orders on gun control will go a long ways, even if such things are never voted on in the House and Senate (personally, I think we should ensure that all gun control legislation proposed by House Democrats comes up for a vote at the earliest possible moment…and even ensure that one or two pass so they have to go to the Senate).

    The key for us is leadership – right now, there is no one leading the GOP. Boehner can’t; so we need someone else…Rubio’s immigration reform proposal should catapult him to the top; Jindal’s tax reforms also are a way to the top…we’ll see who can do it. Once we have two or three national spokesmen for the movement, we can get rolling.

  5. j6206 January 15, 2013 / 3:46 pm

    Boo Hoo Barry plays politics, he is so mean to us…
    whaaaaaaaaaaaaa….. You guys are so funny.

    • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 4:19 pm

      j1369

      No barry the Kenyan, marxist, muslim usurper, has wiped his azz with the constitution, put tax cheats, radical homosexuals, radical islamists (oxy moron), domestic terrorists, union thugs, chi Cago thugs and radicals,in high government places. Gutted the military, broken the law on budgets, LIED, to everybody, promoted racism, promoted class warfare, is the most despicable POS ever to occupy the position (albeit illegally) in the “white” hut!!

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 4:23 pm

        j1369

        yeah just commun….er democrat, “playing politics”….

        Photos From New ‘Bullet to the Head of the NRA’ Computer Game Are Graphic and Horrifying

        “Before I could even utter a word to scold my child, he clicked his mouse. And the virtual Wayne LaPierre’s face disappeared in a spray of blood.

        imagine if someone made a same type video depicting the kenyan?

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 4:30 pm

        je$$ah….STFU and you are only butt ugly, open yer trap and prove you are stone STUPID as well.

        the blaze

        Rev. Jesse Jackson: “Assault Weapons” Can ‘Shoot Down Planes’ & Therefore Pose Risk to National Security

        “These semi-automatic weapons, these “assault weapons” (NO such thing exists), can only kill people”

        Bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha
        what a Fn dummy.
        must be the “CLIPS” in the “assault ” weapons.ROTFLMAO

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 4:35 pm

        Farrakhan Promises God Has ‘Execution’ Planned for America: A ‘Savage,’ ‘Brutal’ and ‘Uncivilized’ People and Nation
        “This nation has been built on violence.”

        like what we see from da hood daily??? Gee louie I agree, a brutal and uncivilized people.

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 4:43 pm

        Farrakhan on ‘Django Unchained’: ‘It’s Preparation for Race War’

      • Amazona January 15, 2013 / 4:47 pm

        FYI, an oxymoron is two words that seem to contradict each other in the same phrase:—“jumbo shrimp” or “government intelligence”. In this group you might include “informed Obama voter”.

        Words that repeat the same thing are called “redundant”, so “radical islamist” is a redundancy, as is “ignorant Obama voter”.

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 5:06 pm

        Words that repeat the same thing are called “redundant”,

        Doh….yup 🙂

  6. Amazona January 15, 2013 / 4:42 pm

    From a poster collection of Despair.com:

    Government

    If you think the problems we create are bad, just wait until you see our solutions.

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 5:13 pm

        db

        Obviously Pelosi and all of them CongressCritters need a serious refresher course.

        they have had it,
        rules for radicals, mao’s red book, and the communist manifesto.

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 5:17 pm

        This is what we need to tell the kenyan and his minions………

        KY Sheriff Denny Peyman Scoffs at Idea Obama Could Use Executive Order to Confiscate Guns (Video)

        Kentucky Jackson County Sheriff Denny Peyman scoffed at the idea that an executive order would trump the Constitution of the United States. The eastern Kentucky sheriff made the news this weekend when he told reporters that he will not enforce gun laws he considers unconstitutional. On Monday Sheriff Peyman told Greta Van Susteren there is no way he would confiscate guns in Jackson County by an executive order from the Obama White House.

        “You are never going to pull guns out of Jackson County.”

        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/ky-sheriff-denny-peyman-you-are-never-going-to-pull-guns-out-of-jackson-county-by-executive-order-video/

  7. mitchethekid January 15, 2013 / 7:04 pm

    Conservatism isn’t the problem, it’s conservatives. If you could detach yourselves from your emotions for a moment and objectively view the President in an historical context, you just might realize that he is far more conservative than you actually want to believe. But again, he is much more of a rational, sane and pragmatic conservative than those on the fringes of the extreme right. So the unthinking, reflexive defacto conclusion the “conservatives” come to is that he is an evil left wing radical, hell bent on destroying your idea of America.
    If you want an immediate example of why conservatives are held in such contempt, look no further than the paranoid delusions of birther extraordinaire Neo. He should partner up with Orly Taitz..
    The musings on this blog are really sad. On the one hand Amazona complains that anyone who disagrees with her has no logical argument and just defaults to personal attacks. And yet it is she that is the first to fire the projectiles of impugning character and insulting ones intellect. This blog will not tolerate any dissent. It has either run off or banned anyone who won’t participate in the feedback loop of right wing insanity.
    The Tea Party has an approval rating of somewhere around 8%. Obama won twice with a share of the popular vote not seen since in a very long time. So what does this blog do? Insult the country for electing him.
    If the Republican party does not exterminate the disease of right wing extremism, they will continue on a path to irrelevancy, shrinking demographics and diluted regionality. That is a fact, along with a changing world, sane gun control and an acceptance of the science that explains global climate change.
    It will be interesting to see if Mr. Moderator will allow my post to be published. I welcome the battle. 🙂

    • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 7:14 pm

      bmitch

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!
      you are a funny “guy” bomber.

    • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 7:29 pm

      Ooh Rah
      we don needs nooo steenkin cheated in kenyan…….

      Texas Proposal: JAIL Any Federal Officials Trying to Enforce New Gun Restrictions in the State

      WOAO ^ | January 15, 2013 | Jim Forsyth

      A Texas lawmaker says he plans to file the Firearms Protection Act, which would make any federal laws that may be passed by Congress or imposed by Presidential order which would ban or restrict ownership of semi-automatic firearms or limit the size of gun magazines illegal in the state,
      1200 WOAI news reports. Republican Rep. Steve Toth says his measure also calls for felony criminal charges to be filed against any federal official who tries to enforce the rule in the state. “If a federal official comes into the state of Texas to enforce the federal executive order, that person…

    • Cluster January 15, 2013 / 7:51 pm

      Mitch, allow me to point out to you that Bush I, Reagan. Clinton and I think even Bush II won with a larger popular vote. Just speaking of viewing things in historical perspective that is.

      And please tell me how raising taxes on everyone, spending $6 trillion dollars over four years, and implementing national health care are conservative positions. That I would love to hear considering you believe that Obama is a conservative.

      Then go on and explain to us what sane gun control is. You might want to start by explaining the insane gun controls already in place. And finally, please explain to us all what the normal temperature of the earth is so we can put “global warming” in perspective. Don’t you think that might be a good place to start?

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 8:03 pm

        LOL you rock Newt

        Gingrich: ‘If Gun Control Works, Chicago Ought to Be Safe’
        Former House speaker urges Congress to hold hearings on guns in Chicago

        Former House speaker Newt Gingrich talked about gun control this morning on CBS:

        Gingrich revealed that he’s been urging House Republicans to hold hearings about gun control in Chicago, President Obama’s hometown and “the murder capital of the United States.”

        “Well, I think it’s amazing that we’re having all this discussion about gun control: The president’s hometown, Chicago, is the murder capital of the United States. Over 500 people were killed there last year.
        Vice President Biden doesn’t seem to want to go there. I’m trying to get the House Republicans to hold hearings there. It’s illegal to have all the guns that are killing people in Chicago. If gun control works, Chicago ought to be safe,” said Gingrich.

        http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gingrich-if-gun-control-works-chicago-ought-be-safe_696028.html

      • neocon01 January 15, 2013 / 8:07 pm

        bmitch

        splain THIS lucy………

    • Amazona January 15, 2013 / 8:10 pm

      mitche, we have already wondered if Lib posts are based on the inability to understand what others say, or on simple blatant lying. You really didn’t need to bring up that query again.

      First you illustrate for us, yet again, in bold strokes, your abject ignorance of what “conservative” means in the context of 21st Century politics. No one who understands this meaning can possibly state with a straight face that Barack Obama is a conservative.

      OK, leave out the “A”. No one who understands this meaning can possibly state with a straight face that Barack Obama is conservative, not if you use the word “conservative in the context of 21st Century American politics. He may be “conservative” in the sense of not wearing stripes with plaid, but in a political context he could not be farther from the conservative, Constitutional, mindset.

      What he has said about the Constitution indicates ignorance of it, and what he has done and tried to do indicates disdain for it, whereas “conservative” in the context of 21st Century American politics means a firm belief that the Constitution of the United States is not only the best form of government for this country, it is the ONLY legal form unless and until the formal process of amendment makes legal changes to it.

      Obama is, by his own words and actions,a left wing radical, hell bent on “fundamentally transforming” America. You do not “transform” something by leaving it as it is, and the “transformations” we have seen Obama enact and talk about defy the stringent restrictions of the Constitution on the size, scope and power of the federal government. You can sneer that this means only a commitment to “destroying” and “IDEA” of America, but as the United States is defined by its rule of law, ignoring or overriding or dismissing that rule of law destroys more than just an IDEA.

      You may hold “conservatives” in contempt, which is meaningless as you don’t even know what “conservatives” are or stand for, but you hardly speak for the majority of Americans, most of whom describe themselves as conservative.

      And the word “birther” is equally meaningless, as it appears to be favorite Leftist pejorative used to describe people who think Obama was born in Hawaii,, people who think he was not born in Hawaii, people who find the evidence of his alleged Hawaiian birth less than conclusive, and people who agree he was born in Hawaii but also think there is compelling evidence that the term “natural born citizen” refers to people born to citizens or at least to a father who is a citizen. In other words, it is a vague, amorphous, meaningless term that only the ignorant spout, and then only because they have nothing of value to say.

      You falsely state, about me, “Amazona complains that anyone who disagrees with her has no logical argument and just defaults to personal attacks……”

      I have never “complained” that anyone who disagrees with me has no logical argument, though I often point out that no logical argument has been made. For example, aside from James, none of you has been able to state a coherent political philosophy, which logic would dictate has to be the foundation of a true political argument. There have been some fatuous mewlings about “fairness” and “a level playing field” but these are not political philosophy, these are just wishes. A political philosophy is a belief in how best to govern a nation. Conservatives have one; Liberals, at least those who post here, do not—or at least are not willing to admit to what they believe.

      Pointing this out seems to qualify as a personal attack. I often comment on an idea, or the lack of idea, in negative terms, and I often point out the seething rage and hatred that ooze through nearly every Lib post, but I seldom if ever actually engage in direct personal attacks, such as calling someone a big poopy-head, and I don’t make fun of age or gender.

      There are plenty of dissenting posts on this blog. The ones I see before they are removed are always devoid of anything but blatant hatred and hostility and certainly of any ideas beyond incessant mindless personal attacks, and usually rife with sexism, ageism, racism, and general bigotry—and always after repeated warnings. It may soothe you to pretend that posts are deleted due to “fear” of dissenting content, but I have yet to see this, and I’ve been here for about seven years now.

      “Obama won twice with a share of the popular vote not seen since in a very long time.”

      Well, not since 2008 anyway.

      “So what does this blog do? Insult the country for electing him.”

      Yep. Given the definition of insanity as continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results, this slight majority that has you so giddy seems to be quite insane—unless they truly did vote for higher taxes, a worse economy, increased erosion of the dollar, skyrocketing debt, a vast increase in the Dependent Class, disintegration of our international standing, corruption at the highest levels of government as we have seen with the payoffs disguised as “stimulus”, and overt efforts to subvert our Constitution. When people vote based on fantasies such as a belief that one candidate intends to outlaw contraception, or that one party is waging a “war on women” or any of the other silly, transparent and vicious lies that seem to have won them over, it is hard to think of them as anything BUT stupid.

      • mitchethekid January 15, 2013 / 8:33 pm

        You prove my point. Your use of words, such as the dismissive “silly” just reinforce my opinion that you, like Neo and all the rest here can’t actually engage in discussion. Instead you default to a catch all mental video. “Silly” used as meme to describe everything that you won’t actually address because you are scared to do so. But none of this really matters. You and the rest of the posters here are a fringe group who self replicate and self reinforce, You have no impact on public policy, no power to change the direction the 300 million of US inhabitants, and no power to do anything really except complain amongst yourselves. Face it girl, you are probably as long lived as Neo and doubly as angry. You are a shinning star here because you can formulate ideas into worded form. Well, Bully for you!
        To bad your ideas do not conform to contemporary society. The extreme right is a loser and it’s lost. Google Elizabeth C Ross. Her take might help. And I’ll add something else. If you really want to be taken seriously as an intellectual mavin and logical thinking, well informed and well read constitutional expert, call out Neo for his gutter snipe birther crap. It just adds to the laughable nature of what passes as smart conservatives on this tired old Bush blog.

      • Amazona January 15, 2013 / 8:47 pm

        mitche, you make no sense.

        You seem to be claiming that finding your arguments “silly” is the same thing as a personal attack. I guess.

        I find it amusing that you think I am “scared” to address anything. Got any examples? You guys are, to risk another case of the vapors from you, so silly. On one hand I am too aggressive and just a big meanie, and on the other I am “scared”. ??????? Make up your mind.

        But let me be specific. The constant references to “conservatives” in contexts that have nothing to do with politics IS silly. Silly to the extreme. And it points out the emotional basis for most if not all of your sniping, because if your bias is based on silliness, your arguments are silly.

        That, my dear, is logic.

        Yes, I am good at articulating my ideas. I also spell well. “shinning”? “mavin”? You see, serious people take the time to be precise. But while you snidely dismiss what you seem to think is an exalted status here, you overlook the fact that I usually post ideas, and enter into discussions, which you seem to find less satisfying than merely snarling at us.

        I’d be careful about bragging too much about how conservatives have no impact on public policy, as I have a feeling it won’t be long before you Libs are trying to deny responsibility for the debacle that is the Obama Administration. You be sure to buy some “Blame ME—I Voted for Obama” bumper stickers, if you want the Left to take full credit for what is going to happen when the roof falls in.

        BTW, it’s Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, and it is silly to try to drag in the stages of grief as if that is in any way relevant to the concern Constitutional Conservatives have for what is happening to and in this country. If you are going to try to sound smart and educated, you are going to have to be able to back it up. You just did the equivalent of posturing as an intellectual by quoting Alfred Einstein.

        But thanks for adding to the body of evidence that you have nothing to add to this blog—-or, I am sure, to any other discussion anywhere—-other than spite and malice.

      • Amazona January 15, 2013 / 8:50 pm

        And I see no “birtherism” from neo, matter what the Definition of the day hour might be.

        Unless you are denying that Obama has often identified himself, publicly, by referring to his Kenyan ancestry, and claiming that it is not legitimate.

        You’d better rest up, as it looks like you are ready to take on a few million Americans who refer to themselves as African.

        Beware the wrath of mitche…………………

      • M. Noonan January 15, 2013 / 10:12 pm

        Poor Mitche just can’t get around that author’s blurb of Obama’s which said he was Kenyan born…now, as a published author, I know who writes the author blurb: the author. As for me, I think Obama was lying about being born in Kenya as that would wow the nincompoops whom Obama was marketing himself to (there is a high level of cynicism in Obama)…but, its still there…Obama: the first Birther.

    • Amazona January 15, 2013 / 8:34 pm

      The biggest lie regarding the AGW whine is the claim that any warming that does take place is bad, or wrong, or harmful. It could just as easily be “temperature normalization”.

      The cherrypicking of fact and evidence we see from the AGW hysterics makes it very hard to see their acolytes as “scientists”. A true scientist evaluates all the data, such as the fact that the greatest volume of so-called “greenhouse gas” is water vapor, that oceans are heated not by the air above but by heat transmitted into ocean depths from the earth’s core, that prior eras of high temperatures and high CO2 concentrations show the increase of CO2 to be caused by the temperature rise and not the other way around, etc.

      Every person I know who is a political conservative also welcomes true scientific research into every aspect of life on this planet, including the state of the planet itself, but the two are not connected. A belief that the Constitution is the best way to govern the nation is hardly related to an opinion on how much we should know about the world. I do think that a commitment to Constitutional governance does make us a little more sensitive to encroachments upon the Constitution,and a little more wary of demagoguery that is so obviously intended to panic the gullible into a fear-motivated expansion of federal power and size. But that is not an indictment of science. Rather, it is the opposite—a desire for true science that is driven by fact and not by agenda.

    • dbschmidt January 15, 2013 / 8:43 pm

      Mitch,

      I would like to understand your version of “sane gun control” that take the Constitutional version of “shall not be infringed” into account? Do you even think that what Bloomberg did today or Obama will do tomorrow will meet Constitutional muster?

      BTW, Obama is now where near the Center let alone has an inkling of what a Conservative is (like you); however, he is a narcissistic, anti-colonial who has kept his promise on “fundamentally transforming America” into something you may enjoy but does not sit square with most of the educated population.

      • mitchethekid January 16, 2013 / 10:51 am

        Anti colonial? You mean like the founders?

      • Amazona January 16, 2013 / 11:10 am

        Are you comparing Barry to our Founding Fathers? Do go on. You must have simply LOADS of data to back that up, but you can start with his commitment to a federal government strictly restrained as to size, scope and power, and his aversion to an imperial presidency.

        That ought to keep you busy for a while. After you figure out what “equivalent” means, anyway.

        (Still chuckling….)

      • dbschmidt January 16, 2013 / 9:31 pm

        No Mitch,
        “Anti-Colonial” like his “Dreams from my father” whereas America is the problem and not the solution. Nevertheless I would doubt you understand as a low information participant to this discussion.

        Noticed once again you can not answer the question directed but need to snipe around the edges. In addition, you prove your lack of understanding by your response into not only history but of the general terminology no matter if was at the time of the founding or today.

        Step back from the keyboard slowly. Stop proving our point that your are an idiot.

    • Cluster January 16, 2013 / 12:29 pm

      truthie,

      Why won’t you acknowledge Obama’s own press release promoting his first book wherein he clearly stated – “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia”? What is it about that document that has you so scared?

      Or do you run from the truth? Clearly not a man of your word are you?

    • tiredoflibbs January 16, 2013 / 1:15 pm

      “What is it about that document that has you so scared?”

      Cluster, you’d expect a mindless drone, who comes here only to distract and disrupt to step away from the carefully written narrative and think for itself?

      • Cluster January 16, 2013 / 2:07 pm

        My bad. I guess one can hope right?

  8. mitchethekid January 16, 2013 / 10:49 am

    I don’t recall quoting Einstein Ama, but I may have. BTW, his name is ALBERT, not Alfred. Unless you were confused with the Mad Magazine character.
    I would also like you to provide some evidence that the earths core heats the oceans. I think toads causing warts has more credibility.

    • Amazona January 16, 2013 / 11:06 am

      “I don’t recall quoting Einstein Ama, but I may have. BTW, his name is ALBERT, not Alfred.”

      Thank you, mitche, for the smile of the day. Or chortle. Or guffaw.

      You know that loud whooshing sound you heard as you were typing? That was the sound of my comment going right over your head. And the boom was when it hit the sound barrier, because there was no brain activity on your part to slow it down.

      You are so funny.

      Are you denying that the heat of the earth’s core—which, according to Al Gore, is MILLIONS OF DEGREES and is just a few hundred feet down—-does NOT convey heat to the ocean?

      OK. But claiming that the heat of molten metal and rock at the core of the earth is not warming the depths of the oceans, as it does the depths of the earth itself, is a pretty hard sell. I guess it is easier for you, as you are working off a faith-based belief system instead of science.

      • mitchethekid January 16, 2013 / 2:28 pm

        That’s funny. Again with the insults. And now you are claiming a respect for science? Then how do you reconcile your contempt for it, especially when it comes to evolution or global warming.
        I did a quick search in regards to the topic. This is what I found. But it was on a Church’s website so I am sure it’s faith based.
        The outer core is about 2,890–5,150 Km (or 1,790–3,160 miles) below the Earth’s surface

        The inner core is about 5,150–6,360 Km (or 3,160–3,954 miles) below the surface

        There is no way to measure the temperature at the Earth’s core directly. We know from mines and drill holes that, near the surface of the Earth, the temperature increases by about 1 degree Fahrenheit for every 60 feet in depth. If this temperature increase continued to the center of the Earth, the Earth’s core would be 100,000 degrees Celsius.

        But nobody believes the Earth is that hot; the temperature increase must slow down with depth and the core is probably about 3000 to 5000 degrees Celsius.

        This estimate of the temperature is derived from theoretical modeling and laboratory experiments. This work is very difficult (and speculative) since nobody can reproduce in a laboratory the high temperatures and pressures that exist in the core. Also it is not known exactly what the core is made of.

      • Cluster January 16, 2013 / 3:56 pm

        Again with the insults. – Mitch

        It’s just too easy. Honestly I think Amazona is showing remarkable constraint.

        In order for “global warming” to be considered harmful, one would have to know the baseline, right? Are we warming above normal? Or to normal? Have we been in an extended cooling period and now just approaching normal temps again? Or have we been in a normal state, but now exceeding that state? Don’t you think this information would be helpful?

      • Amazona January 16, 2013 / 9:26 pm

        mitche, you haven’t even figured out what is so funny about your post. Think Emily Litella, the only possible reaction if you do catch on.

        I had plenty of links show up for every search I asked for. I am not going to do your research for you but here are a couple of short snippets:

        The Restless Earth: A Geologic Primer
        “Because the interior of the earth is hot and under great pressure, it transfers much of its internal heat by a phenomenon called “convection.” Convection is the process by which hot materials rise, move laterally, cool, and then descend in a cycle.

        You can see convection operating in a pan of boiling water. When water reaches a rolling boil, hot water rises in the center, cools as it spreads across the surface, then descends along the outside of the pan to complete the cycle. These cycles are convection cells.

        Within the Earth, irregular convection cells within the mantle transfer heat from the core to the surface of the planet. This mechanism is the driving force behind both heat transfer and the global processes of plate tectonics.”

        According to Stein and Stein “….most of the heat energy (about 70%) that makes its way to the surface is transported by the convection of the mantle. This is the process that drives plate tectonics. Most of the rest of the heat flow, 25%, is by conduction

        Mantle convection cells are the super tankers of global tectonics, transporting vast quantities of hot rock but changing speed and direction only gradually. Conduction of heat through the rocks of the Earth’s continental crust is also an unhurried and stable process; with the supply of heat metered by atomic clockwork. There are a few well-known hot spots around the world, where magma and hot water quickly bring heat to the surface but the energy released at these places does not add up to much in the global scheme of things. The rate of heat escape from the Earth is slow and very steady.”

        Here is a kid’s introduction to geothermal energy:
        http://ei.lehigh.edu/learners/energy/readings/geothermal.pdf

        And……..

        “Combined with a past study that estimated heat loss in an area beneath the Pacific Ocean , the research team suggests Earth’s total heat loss at the core-mantle boundary is about 7.5 to 15 terawatts a year, much higher than previous estimates. Global energy use by humans is about 13 terawatts a year.

        From their measurements, the scientists estimate that about one-third of the heat that radiates from Earth’s surface into the atmosphere — estimated to be 42 terawatts a year — comes from our planet’s core.”

        http://www.foxnews.com/stor
        /0,2933,262762,00.html#ixzz2IBwWp0Zj

      • tiredoflibbs January 16, 2013 / 9:43 pm

        “In order for “global warming” to be considered harmful, one would have to know the baseline, right?”

        Rico scoffed at this question also, stating “What a silly question.”

        These proggy drones are so enamored by the use of “science” that they forget (or willfully choose to ignore) the basic rules.

        mitchie states: “We know from mines and drill holes that, near the surface of the Earth, the temperature increases by about 1 degree Fahrenheit for every 60 feet in depth.”

        But he too, scoffs at the idea that the earth’s inner core contributes to the temperature of the planet.

        These two are passionate defenders of “evolution” but also fail the science test at to the possibility that man and other animals can adapt to the changing environment. They believe that the earth is doomed due to “climate change” but scoff at the idea that man and other animals can evolve to compensate.

        Science is a convenience to them. They love it when it can be manipulated to their agenda, but scoff at it when it disproves their “political” science.

        Pathetic.

      • Amazona January 17, 2013 / 11:55 am

        mitche loves to lie about me not “believing in” evolution no matter how often I repeat that I do. I don’t know if he has to lie about this to further his whine that I have “contempt” for science, or whether he has redefined “evolution” to include the concept of all life occurring from the random collision of non-life particles. The two are not the same, but mitche needs to keep things simple so just keeps on with the stupid claim of me not accepting the scientific fact of evolution.

        I also believe that the globe has been warming. There is proof of this. And I believe that this has happened untold times over the eons. The earth has warmed, the earth has cooled, all without the influence of man.

        I understand the concept of greenhouse gases, but I have yet to see proof that they cause global warming, as in the past CO2 levels have risen as the result of warming, not been the cause.

        I am open to scientific proof of anything, but have contempt for those whose personal and political agendas drive them to claim proofs that do not exist. I have yet to see a single argument from the AGW crowd that addresses things they find inconvenient to their argument, and they have been caught out in so many lies and frauds I lean toward the idea that if they have to lie they know they have no real science to back them up. The dependence of the AGW hysterics on emotional manipulation tells me a lot about their conviction of the solidity of their argument—if you know you have the facts on your side, you don’t have to resort to trickery, like the carefully cropped photo of the polar bears on the tiny ice floe, an effort to make it appear that their habitat had been diminished to this few square feet of ice. Of course, the original photo showed a vast expanse of ice, hundreds of square miles of ice, with this small chunk floating just offshore.

        Another thing that has become clear is that the AGW hoopla has been tossed to the shrill and vicious to give them something to use in their endless attacks on what they seem to think are “conservatives” but definitely see as “enemies”. This shrieking horde must not be allowed to calm down, to lose focus on their goal, so must be thrown red meat every now and then to keep their blood lust pumping. This is obvious, as we can see by the disinclination of those who howl so madly about AGW to actually discuss pros and cons of the arguments, but merely to slash at those who do not fall into line.

        The possibility of mankind having a negative effect on the earth is a potentially serious topic worth of serious discussion. Sadly, it has been twisted and distorted and manipulated into nothing more than a political bludgeon, and another divisive tactic callously used by the Left.

  9. Cluster January 16, 2013 / 12:31 pm

    Could there be any more clear evidence of progressives inability to debate than what we are seeing here from truthie and mitch? You can’t make this up. They are just like their dear leader – they are all one of a kind, and one of a mind. North Koreans have more objectivity.

    • tiredoflibbs January 16, 2013 / 9:45 pm

      But, cluster, like the Nazi’s the Democrats are looking to eventually confiscate guns which is their ultimate goal. All you need to do is listen to Feinstein and her rhetoric.

      • neocon01 January 19, 2013 / 2:27 pm

        Tired

        Two memorials remain today at Thermopylae. Upon the modern one, called the Leonidas Monument in honor of the Spartan king who fell there, is engraved on a marble slab is his response to Xerxes’ demand that the Spartans lay down their arms. Leonidas’ reply was two words:

        MOLON LABE =
        ” ‘Come and get them.’ “

  10. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) January 17, 2013 / 12:29 pm

    Rush also nailed it a few days ago when he said the GOP’s biggest problem is that they have no one who can relate to and communicate with the low information voter.

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