A New GOP Foreign Policy: How to Get it Wrong

David Goldman over at Pajamas Media writes an article about how the GOP is about to get it wrong on foreign policy:

…We Republicans now find ourselves painted into a corner. The public doesn’t trust us with guns. That’s why Rand Paul has gotten his fifteen minutes of fame (and if it turns out to be more than fifteen minutes, we are in trouble). It’s satisfying at one level to watch Rand Paul beat up Obama’s nominee for CIA director, but he represents a nasty brand of isolationism.

We nonetheless have to state the obvious: The only way to prevent Syria’s living hell from spreading to Iraq and Lebanon is to neutralize the main source of instability: Iran. Republicans should rally behind Gen. James Mattis, whom Obama fired as head of Central Command. Gen. Mattis told a Senate committee March 6 that sanctions aren’t working, and that Tehran ”enriching uranium beyond any plausible peaceful purpose.” The United States should not only remove Iran’s nuclear program, but also destroy Revolutionary Guards bases and other conventional capability that the Tehran regime employs to destabilize its neighbors. And the U.S. should throw its full weight behind regime change. With Iran out of the picture, the local conflicts–horrific as they are–will remain local. I do not believe that either Egypt or Syria can be stabilized, but it is possible to limit the spread of their instability. The prospect of a prolonged Sunni-Shi’ite war in the region will be horrific past the imagining of most Americans. Secondary conflicts will erupt around it, including long-frustrated minorities like the Kurds, who have created a functioning de facto state in northern Iraq.

We Republicans have to cure ourselves of the illusion that we can engineer the happiness of other cultures with an inherent antipathy to Western-style democracy. Where the Muslim world is concerned, optimism is cowardice. And we have to persuade the American people that selective, limited military action against Iran will not draw the United States into a new land war…

Goldman gets it right in that he identifies Iran as the central problem.  He also gets it right in declaring that we have to give up all illusions and no longer seek make the Muslim world in to a pluralist, democratic civilization.  But he gets it flat wrong when he condemns Paul’s “isolationism”, and the reason he gets it wrong is in, “we have to persuade the American people that selective, limited military action against Iran will not draw the United States into a new land war…”.  In other words, we should engage in another round of limited war.  My friends, that is poison.  One thing that I’ve learned – and most especially since 9/11 – is that the one type of war Americans can’t win is a limited war.  We’re just not built for that sort of thing.  In war, Americans are an all or nothing people:  we either go all the way in, or we should stay all the way out.

There is a commonality in all of our limited wars (Korea, Vietnam, War on Terror):  we lose.  We lose because the American people will not sustain a long, drawn out, bloody and expensive process which even in the best of worlds only produces a stalemate.  You can call this whatever you will (I call it a will to win), but the fact of the matter is that it is not possible to politically sustain a war which has no clear-cut, final goal.  You can get away with it if the effort is only a few days to weeks long (Grenada, Panama, Libya, eg), but if it goes on longer than that, public support starts to erode (and if a Republican is in office, Democrats will start going anti-war as a means of attacking the President…and I do believe that some GOPers are falling in to this vis a vis Obama).  Eventually, the thing turns in to a bloody mess and we withdraw with no sense of victory – and often a worse situation in the long term (think about it:  its 60 years after the end of the Korean War and we’ve still got 25,000 troops there and right now North Korea is threatening to re-start hostilities: great job there on that “limited war” concept).  For American, any war must be a fight to the finish and the enemy must be compelled to unconditionally surrender.  If we’re not getting in to it with that idea, then its best we don’t get in it, at all.

This is why I want us to withdraw from the Middle East as far as possible.  As I’ve said, whatever it is we have been hoping to accomplish, we’ve failed.  Our fault, their fault, no one’s fault: the whole thing is a gigantic mess and the only way to fix it is to raise an army of 3,000,000 soldiers and conquer the whole area.  For that, there isn’t the political will in the United States:  the American people would never, under current circumstances, agree to it.  Get out, now.  To be sure, there is that chance that once we leave the Muslim world will cool down – I doubt it:  people who rape, rob and murder Christians for no other reason than their Christian faith are not the sort to cool down.  But stranger things have happened and nothing would please me more than the sudden arrival of peace and prosperity in the Muslim world.  But my bet is on Muslim world still being controlled by violent, vile lunatics.  Given this, I expect they’ll take our withdrawal as a sign of weakness – and that will lead them to conclude they can attack us, here at home, again.  They’ll do it on the expectation that we’ll visit some destruction on them for a bit, then get tired and leave, again.  But if we do it right, that won’t be the outcome.

This is because if we withdraw and give nothing remotely resembling cause for Muslims to attack us, then when they do attack we’ll instantly have the political will to visit upon the Muslim world a chastisement which will resound through the ages.  Provided, of course, that we pick out the most offensive nations (ie, those we think most responsible for whatever attack occurs, even if they didn’t directly order it), declare war on them, demand unconditional surrender and when they refuse, raise that 3,000,000 man military force and crush them to the ground.  That sort of war – even if it lasts for years and is quite costly – can be sustained in the United States, because we will be fighting from day one to day last for a clearly identifiable goal with a clear means of ending the fighting:  the enemy unconditionally surrenders.    That sustained us through the Civil War, World War One and World War Two, and it would sustain us through a war against Islamic powers which seek to attack us, as well.

But, there’s more.  No more of this going in an rebuilding afterwards.  The defeated enemy must be compelled to surrender territory and treasure as compensation for putting us through the trouble.  As I said, what we do should resound through the ages – doing to them what we did to our own brethren in the Civil War, so that though a century may pass, they’ll never again seek a trial of arms with us.

In war, there are no half measures.  There is victory or there is defeat.  If you want to send our sons and daughters in to harm’s way, then you’d better be clear about what you are doing and be able to sustain the effort, regardless of cost, to absolute victory.  If that can’t be done, then find something else to do besides war.  And for me, the proper GOP policy is, these days, much closer to Paul’s alleged isolationism than it is to those who propose to spend our lives and treasure for limited objectives.

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90 thoughts on “A New GOP Foreign Policy: How to Get it Wrong

  1. Jeremiah March 12, 2013 / 12:53 am

    Mark,

    I applaud your vision for a foreign mission. However, I think we are too weak at home to be concerned with what might or might not happen in the middle east. We are virtually on the verge of civil unrest here in America with the way things are going, and how the Liberals continue to weaken this nation.

    I think once we settle matters here at home, then we can all be focused on what lies ahead across the pond. We can then be unified to begin the process of destroying that country which seeks to harm the United States.

    • M. Noonan March 12, 2013 / 1:29 am

      Jeremiah,

      Our internal divisions are many, but we’d all unite for a real war – even under Obama, if it came to it. But it has to be a real war.

      Our failure was in Korea – Stalin tested us there, just a couple years after he tested us in Berlin. In Berlin Stalin learned that he could go right up to the limit and expect no military response. Korea was a test to see if he could go over the limit and still get away with it. In the immediate sense, the answer was “no”, but the long term effect was “yes” because not only did we not go after the nation which actually started the war (Stalin’s Russia) but we didn’t even go after China when Mao flung a million Chinese soldiers in to the fight. The lesson was learned: as long as you don’t shoot, we won’t shoot, even if by not shooting you can humiliate us. And if you shoot, we won’t destroy you. No more of that.

      We’d really only have to do it once – utterly crush one or more enemies which challenged us and leave them humbled in the dirt. After that, it would be a long, long time before anyone would try conclusions with us, again.

      • Jeremiah March 12, 2013 / 3:08 am

        Mark,

        I wholeheartedly agree. All would back the President in declaration of war. But I don’t think Obama is going to do it because of his alignment with the Muslim Brotherhood. So, I don’t think he would declare war. He only went into Afghanistan as a means of boosting his prideful ego, just as he prides himself in “finding” and performing justice on Osama Bin Laden … it had nothing to do with ending the conflict or threat from the many militant Muslims of the area, or creating peace.

        I agree that when we go in, that it should be for total victory. But I guess it depends on how one views total victory. To me, total victory would be to kill every living thing, from two to four legged creatures. And that would be a sign to anyone entering that land to keep the peace.

        If we leave even one person with their ideology standing, then that is room for that ideology to spread, and continue furthering the terror-mindset of the region.

        But, as I say, we have fish in the pan that needs fryin’ here at home, because we are in danger from our own government.

  2. pelirrojito March 12, 2013 / 4:26 am

    I’ve been thinking for quite some time now that the world should do the complete opposite. Rather than withdrawing from certain areas of the world, we should be invading. Enough of sanctions that do nothing but hurt the people of the area and enough of cultural and religious “tolerance”. But I would not restrict it to the middle east.

    Any country which does not have democracy and/or does not conform to modern morality needs to change very quickly. My reasoning is that they hurt the people of their country. Ie Iran needs to be introduced to democracy, along with Saudi Arabia. Also places like Uganda need to as well. Not only that, but basic morality should be enforced. Quite simply by imposing a set of laws on the people and holding our own justice system until theirs is in place.

    Of course to do that I need to define democracy, which you seem unable or unwilling to do given I’ve asked 3 times. To me democracy means that there must be elections held at least once every 10 years (some people consider less to be too restrictive, so so be it) and every citizen over the age of 21 gets the right to vote in a secret ballot. A very simply definition allowing room for flexibility.

    I also need a definition of basic morality. The two that come to mind are treating women as equals to men, ie allowing them to get an education, drive, wear whatever they want, be seen with whoever they want, allowing them easy access to divorce, etc and gay rights, ie no laws that punish people for being gay or commiting gay acts.

    Quick does not mean Iraq style. It means sending a million troops to simply occupy the country until they hold new elections and the mind set starts to change, ie could be 10 years or more. Though there would be very little bloodshed given very few people are stupid enough to fight when theres a soldier at every street corner and helicopters flying over the city.

    In other situations, such as Israel and Palestine, I would go with a slightly modified method. For those 2 countries the problem essentially lies in the fact that Israel does not want peace and the people of Palestine see nothing but bloodshed. Its a given that the children will grow up hating those who kill their parents and/or relatives. My solution there would be say 100,000 troops along the border for about 50 years. Enough time for 2 generations to grow up in relative peace. Then I would disarm both countries. Soldiers would go door to door searching every house for weapons and both governments would be disarmed. Afterall theres no need for weapons when theres a massive force sitting on the

    I also disagree with not rebuilding the country. Its easy to see that prosparity reduces crimerates and I’d assume would also reduce religous hatred towards others. The best thing would be to advance these countries to the same level as the western world. Ie update their oil producing capability, (and make sure the money goes towards the public good, not towards the richest), give them technology that they dont currently have, which includes nuclear technology since its possibly the best way to produce power, and build up their services industries and education services. Once all of these are done, and 20 years laterwhen the youngest are well educated and working in good jobs, I would imagine the mindset would change quite a bit.

    • GMB March 12, 2013 / 6:33 am

      Oh tell me dear sir, how many people do you think you will need to eliminate to achieve this utopia of yours?

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 8:50 am

        GMB

        “Oh tell me dear sir, how many people do you think you will need to eliminate to achieve this utopia of yours?”

        ooh say 50 – 100 million, ALL the evil Jews and Christians of course.

      • pelirrojito March 12, 2013 / 8:54 am

        I would imagine very few, much less than the number currently murdered by immoral governments. As I said given a large enough force and people wouldn’t be stupid enough to attack soldiers.

        I should note that what I said is completely and utter infesiable given that it would require 2 things. First is a world effort, ie all of europe, the americas (north, central and south), and the pacific. The second is that I would also get rid of all current oil contracts and let the people decide on who to sell to and at what price. Instantly most governments would reject it.

      • GMB March 12, 2013 / 9:06 am

        “I would imagine very few, much less than the number currently murdered by immoral governments.”

        And would you dear sir, volunteer to be judge, jury, and executioner of those “few” you deem need elimination?

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 9:19 am

        perryJello

        How about the FIFTY FIVE MILLION BABIES we have already murdered here at home?

        GMB
        sure glad when some FOREIGN, ATHEIST, LEFTEST, stooge like jello tells us how to run OUR country.

    • M. Noonan March 12, 2013 / 12:19 pm

      Pel,

      Given that setting up elections in the Muslim world tends to produce governments which are in some ways worse than the old tyrannies, I’m not at all interested any longer in setting up democracy. If the want to do it, that’s their business…but if they attack us, I want them destroyed, as nations. Unconditional surrender – and the peace treaty involving cession of territory and payment of indemnity. If we’re to have war, then it should be war … battling them with honor, of course, but without remorse and with no consideration for what their lives may be like after they are defeated.

  3. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) March 12, 2013 / 10:50 am

    This is because if we withdraw and give nothing remotely resembling cause for Muslims to attack us, then when they do attack we’ll instantly have the political will to visit upon the Muslim world a chastisement which will resound through the ages.

    We blew a golden opportunity to do exactly that in Afghanistan in the winter of 2001/2002. We should have turned that desolate, God-for-saken country into a glass parking lot and left. The cost in blood and treasure would have been a fraction of what it’s been.

    • GMB March 12, 2013 / 11:30 am

      I almost agree with you J.R. However, I do not believe it is our job to condemn the innocent with the guilty. My thought is that we should have just left the place to the Northern Alliance and told them we will be back if needed to wreck the place again if they don’t get their act together.

      This I believe is the same strategy we should use in Iran. Destroy their ability to wage war outside their own borders, arm anyone who wants one and get the heck out. Rinse and repeat if needed.

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) March 12, 2013 / 11:57 am

        We should have turned all of that desolate, God-for-saken country except for the area controlled by the Northern Alliance into a glass parking lot and left.

        Is that better, GMB?

      • GMB March 12, 2013 / 12:59 pm

        J.R. Are you advocating the death of thirty million people? Are you advocating the death of those that are innocent to kill off the guilty?

        As long as those responsible have no ability to project power outside their already desolate hellhole and as long as the American military remains an all volunteer force, what matter does it make?

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) March 12, 2013 / 2:38 pm

        J.R. Are you advocating the death of thirty million people? Are you advocating the death of those that are innocent to kill off the guilty?

        Why, GMB, will you miss them? That would still leave over 3-1/2 million – more than enough to eventually repopulate the country, but too few to cause any international problems for a few generations.

      • GMB March 13, 2013 / 1:13 pm

        “Why, GMB, will you miss them?”

        Not particularly J.R. However I would not want my name used in the same vein as stalin, hitler, and mao. Mass murder is not one of the virtues of Christianity, to my knowledge.

    • M. Noonan March 12, 2013 / 12:15 pm

      JR,

      While in hindsight it is clear that we should have issued a formal declaration of war against Afghanistan, I’ve long thought that going there first was a mistake. True, it is where the genesis of the 9/11 attack was created, but back in 2001 the enemies which really caused the trouble were the governments of Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran…there should have been five declarations of war: against Afghanistan and those four nations. Afghanistan should have been last on the list to be invaded – only after we had destroyed those nations most likely and most capable of sustaining a battle in Afghanistan.

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 12:28 pm

        speaking of annihilation, wanna bet the POS bows to islam AGAIN?

        HAMAS: ‘DECLARATION OF WAR’ IF OBAMA VISITS TEMPLE MOUNT

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 3:10 pm

      meanwhile back at the wraunch

  4. Bob1 March 12, 2013 / 4:00 pm

    This discussion only illustrates the fact that there is no political solution to the human social and civic problems that now confront us human beings. History has demonstrated over and over again the futility of war as a means to peace. And no form of government, including democracy, has been able to demonstrate that it can effectively meet the needs of all of its citizens, including keeping them permanently safe from their “enemies”.

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 4:05 pm

      bub1

      that is because there is evil, and evil men in this world.
      the closer we are to God (Jesus) the further from evil we are personally and collectively.
      We have fallen far far away in the last 60 years and it shows dramatically.

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 4:12 pm

        MORE LEFTIST INSANITY………HOW MUCH LONGER????


        School confiscates third-grader’s cupcakes topped with toy soldiers carrying ‘guns’

        | Eric Owens

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2NMHCf5rP

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 4:22 pm

        and these insane loons are “teaching” our children……

        Steyn declares America ‘doomed’ in wake of Pop Tart gun suspension
        ‘No society can survive this level of stupidity’

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2NMJUJyHH

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 4:36 pm

        we are sooooo F’d

        NJ Mother Pressured to Turn Over Her Guns, Charged With ‘Terroristic Threats’ After Reading the Constitution at Tax Dispute Assembly

        “If quoting the Constitution makes me a terrorist, we are in Hitler’s America.”

      • Bob1 March 12, 2013 / 4:44 pm

        neocon01, I agree that many of the problems that we human beings face in our world no matter where we live are caused by the presence of “evil” in this world. But it may be helpful to recognize that the “kingdom of God” is not a democracy, and the wise loving will of God has never been able to be implemented in our human procedures for living together by popularly elected officials in any form of government at any time in history. Not even the divinely selected and anointed kings of Israel could ultimately protect these people from the “evil” powers that surrounded them. What we should be doing is preparing each other to meet God, because he is still on the THRONE.

      • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 5:28 pm

        What we should be doing is preparing each other to meet God, because he is still on the THRONE.

        and that can only be done in a free Christian based society. Any others murder you for that.

      • Bob1 March 12, 2013 / 6:24 pm

        neocon01, When I suggested that we should be preparing “each other to meet God”, you indicated that that “can only be done in a free Christian based society”, because “Any other will murder you for (doing) that”, which is exactly why Jesus told anyone who wanted to “come after” him and to maintain their loyal and effective relationship with him to “take up his cross” (see Matthew 16:24). Only a few “patriots” in any society have that level of sacrificial commitment. There is big difference between a Muslim suicide bomber and a Christian “martyr”. Both are seeking to make a “difference” in their societies, but their messages and strategies are extremely different. This discussion only continues to demonstrate the absence of understanding regarding this matter and how peace and safety can be established in our social and civic relationships with others, including our “enemies”.

  5. mitchethekid March 12, 2013 / 5:41 pm

    The Cliff Notes version of Mark’s musings is that the United States should invade and conquer any and all countries that do not live up to his romanticized concept of what our country is predicated upon. This is noting more than the imposition of a selective morality that is rooted in imperative. How many noticed that he singled out only Christians as a group experiencing certain prejudices? What about other religions Mark? Do they not count or is Christianity the only “true” religion? It occurs to me that Muslims suffer from the same convictions. The same convictions that you find so abhorrent. To quote the French again, Sacre Bleu!
    I suppose it’s a good thing though, that you recognize…and will admit, that the public will not stand for this type of wholesale slaughter of millions of people just to impose your ideas of government, religion and morality. Bush (his mind hijacked by the Trotskyite Neoconservatives) was convinced of the same thing; except they (he) acted on this impulse. You, being far behind the front lines, have recognized the reality that maybe the imposition of such idealism isn’t such a viable idea after all. Different cultures, different values, etc. Judge not, yet ye be judged. blah blah blah.
    What is even more interesting to me though, is your absolute, blind loyalty to your faith and your unwavering defense and paranoia when it comes to it. Today, as the next Pope is being selected, it comes out that there is a gay bathhouse on Vatican property. In light of the child molestation “accusations” the Catholic Church is suffering from, this is not welcome news. So perhaps in the same spirit that you have reevaluated the nuking of the entire Muslim population, you might be more receptive to including other religions as being just as worthy. Otherwise, you just set yourself up to more ridicule.

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 5:54 pm

      it ***comes out*** that there is a gay bathhouse on Vatican property.

      comes OUT? from where the white hut?
      do Ubama and rham belong?
      I DEMAND they be able to join!!

      • mitchethekid March 12, 2013 / 7:55 pm

        Time for another time-out. You constantly reinforce the idea that you are testing us to see how much we will put up with. Next time there will be no warning. //Moderator

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 6:03 pm

      bmitch

      In light of the ***HOMOSEXUAL*** child molestation “accusations”
      fixed 🙂

    • M. Noonan March 12, 2013 / 8:23 pm

      Mitch,

      Do you seriously expect a reply to that string of insults?

  6. mitchethekid March 12, 2013 / 5:49 pm

    and that can only be done in a free Christian based society. Any others murder you for that.
    Really??? What about Jews Neo? (Christ, it is said, was a Jew.) Or Taoists? Or Hindus? I don’t see much depraved anarchy amongst the Quakers either. Christ based as they are, they still are not Christians, Catholics or Baptists. They are; well’ more enlightened.
    When you make these outrageously false, tribal and delusional statements, you are just proving that your thought processes are no different from the “murderous” Muslim’s you so love to hate.

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 5:51 pm

      bmitch

      This is noting more than the imposition of a selective morality that is rooted in imperative

      IE, communism, islam.

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 5:57 pm

      bmitch

      Christian based society

      I stand corrected…..Judeo-Christian based society.

    • neocon01 March 12, 2013 / 5:59 pm

      bmitch

      the Quakers either. Christ based as they are, they still are not Christians, Catholics or Baptists

      ALL the above are Christians, including the Quakers. Just different sects.

  7. mitchethekid March 13, 2013 / 2:24 pm

    Get over your constant religious bigotry and stop thinking that you are contributing when you are just attacking and you might get a little respect. This is a conservative blog where people ought to be able to share views without being attacked. If you want to discuss different points of view then go right ahead. But you call names, attack, insult and then cry when you are taken to task for being rude and offensive. //Moderator

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:10 pm

      bmitch

      What I was trying to say, before I was subjected to Neo’s mindless, reflexive attacks was the following

      BS AGAIN on the so called “attacks” I merely answered your statements.

      Wah Wah Wah…………..

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:23 pm

        STOP the MUSIC!!!!!!!

        LIE #1………. Some of us were on this case when the abuse was much greater – under Bush.

        LIE #2………. that the neoconservative vision is incompatible with constitutional freedoms?

        LIE #3………., where Christianists believe theology should dictate foreign policy.

        LIE #4……….when**** others**** are allowed to insult and slander and post ****demonstrably false**** statements about the President (he’s a Muslim, gay, crack-head foreign-born “usurper”

        LIE #5……….. Or to mock the linguistics of Blacks by emphasizing ebonics, insisting that global warming is a hoax, evolution is false, the country is on the verge of a civil war, the 2nd amendment allows every citizen to have a rocket launcher if they want and the Bible is the ultimate arbitrator of all truth.

        LIE#6……….. I am a left leaning libertarian. ****You all are right leaning authoritarians.****** This may explain the friction.)

        LIE#7………..anything that smacks of paranoia, conspiracy and ignorance (i.e the President is a Muslim and he’s taking away your guns)

        what a steaming pile of bovine scatology smattered with pathological lunacy!!

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:34 pm

      Enough of the “bath house” commentary and that includes just the initials. You get every post that includes this deleted and we are tired of you pushing it. Grow up or go away. //Moderator

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 8:33 am

        moderator

        B arack H ussein = BH……BH Barry like Barack Hussein Barry

        because YOU interprete my words differently does not mean you are correct.
        I have used the term bathouse in the past is no proof that using the man’s initials is referencing that term.

        speaking of growing up or going away, physician heal thy self.and stick to legitimate moderation NOT **just knowing** what someone else really really meant and it was Horrible….Horrible I tells ya!!

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:58 pm

      RACIST!!

      Obama to dine with first ***black*** Miss Israel…

    • Retired Spook March 13, 2013 / 4:54 pm

      Mitche,

      Or to mock the linguistics of Blacks by emphasizing ebonics, insisting that global warming is a hoax, evolution is false, the country is on the verge of a civil war, the 2nd amendment allows every citizen to have a rocket launcher if they want and the Bible is the ultimate arbitrator of all truth. These ideas, and many more; and the unquestioning insistence upon them, are not indicative of enlightenment and reason. (Supposed pillars of conservatism) They are, in a word, fanaticism.

      I’m not sure if your description of the Conservatives here is hyperbole or if you really believe it. And I don’t see how someone like me can have a meaningful dialogue with someone like you. BTW, I didn’t realize you had been here since the beginning — obviously not under the screen name Mitche.

      • mitchethekid March 13, 2013 / 5:27 pm

        Well Retired, it’s not hyperbole, it is my experience. No value judgement intended. And what do you mean “Someone like me. Someone like you??” We are both human, alive, have points of view and can express them.
        And yes, I have been here since 2003 or ’04. Can’t remember when Blogsforbush started, but to dredge up the past, there were no WMD’s and Bush has proven to be no subject of idolization.
        Back then, I was banned so many times for promoting an alternative point of view that I forgot all of my alias’s. But I tried my best to be cryptic. I used Alexander DeLarge (the protagonist in A Clockwork Orange) P.D. Ouspensky, a philosopher who died in 1947 (look him up) and Thomas Jefferson Airplane. An homage to my career in flying and my love of music. (I like Mozart as well.)
        I was impressed by your CV. Perhaps you should put it to good use when it comes to having a conversation with me. You just might be surprised.

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 5:30 pm

        Spook

        obviously not under the screen name Mitche.

        Sir william wallace comes immediately to mind.
        same insane lunacy, same hatred, same rambling, and this persona appeared @ the same time willys wanker swore never to post here again……coincidence??

      • tiredoflibbs March 13, 2013 / 6:27 pm

        mitchie: “I was banned so many times for promoting an alternative point”

        Oh what a LIE! No one is banned for “promoting an alternative point”, unless your “alternative point” is full of personal attacks, vulgar language and no substance.

        That is to which your posts are deteriorating – all attack and no substance. We have had several mindless drones come here and do the same thing over and over – attack other members personally, their religion, their beliefs or was just being an complete ass. NEVER was one banned for having a different point of view.

        If you want to stay here, you need to start being honest, especially with yourself.

    • tiredoflibbs March 13, 2013 / 6:19 pm

      Wow, mitchie is off his meds again.

      He is rambling, ranting and regurgitating from the leftist playbook again.

      Too funny, yet oh so pathetic.

  8. bardolf2 March 13, 2013 / 3:27 pm

    An American (South America though) Pope who took the name of St. Francis.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:34 pm

      liberal? socialist? conservative?

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 3:53 pm

        MORE LEFTIST LUNACY….

        Wisconsin’s VISTA Program Encourages Volunteers to Overcome White ‘Privilege’

        One “diversity” document linked to DPI’s Web site suggests that white people “wear a white wristband as a reminder about your privilege, and as a personal commitment to explain why you wear the wristband.”

        whats next a CROSS? on your shirt?
        Ooh wait that was a STAR and in Germany……..silly me.

        MOLON LABE!!!!!

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 4:03 pm

        MORE LIBERAL LUNACY…….

        Rep. Alan Grayson:
        Paul Ryan Wants Sick, Poor People ‘To Die’ & America to Consist of ‘Nothing But Cheap Labor for His Corporate Patrons’

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 4:05 pm

        Pssssssst alan

        WHO wants children to DIE in the womb? and What corporate patron’s make BILLIONS off those murders??

        mmmmmmmm?

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 4:08 pm

        Woo Hoo PTL

        Prior to his selection, CNN reported that Pergoglio is known as a “straight-shooter” who has no problem calling things as he sees them. Crushing dreams that he will take the church in a more liberal direction, he subscribes to the church’s most conservative wing. On contraceptives and gay marriages, he has taken strict, conservative stances.

  9. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 5:26 pm

    bmitch

    each and everyone of them **us** utterly false, disprovable and total hate inspired fantasy.

    ROTFLMAO…….. 🙂 🙂 🙂 blame then refute- drudge, Breitbart, UPI, and several other NATIONAL news outlets…

  10. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 6:26 pm

    ANOTHER ONE BITES the DUST Ooh Yeaaaaaahhhhhh !!

    Fla. lieutenant governor resigns amid federal gambling investigation
    US | Brendan Thomas

    ‘It has been an honor to serve the state of Florida in this capacity’

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2NSeTIXRl
    ————————————————————————————-
    to bad she was not chosen by her character, but by the ……..

    the “honor” and $$$$$$$ were all yours, you dishonored and debased our fine state, another nail in ole tra von scotts coffin.
    Though he might redeem him self if he chose a fine Florida son Alan West as his next LG

  11. mitchethekid March 13, 2013 / 7:21 pm

    She is a Republican.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 7:29 pm

      so?
      she is also a criminal, move ova je$$e jr’s wife….you have a cell mate.

    • tiredoflibbs March 13, 2013 / 8:41 pm

      So what mitchie. We criticize any crooked politician and demand their resignation. You one the other hand will protect and maintain the innocence of your leftist crooked politicians all the way to the cell door!

      Only when they become political deadweight or detrimental to the cause do you turn on them.

      Case in point, Sen. Menendez likes to visit little girl hookers. Reid praised him rather than asked for his resignation.

      • mitchethekid March 14, 2013 / 11:33 am

        Turns out the entire story was fabricated. By the hookers.

      • tiredoflibbs March 14, 2013 / 8:58 pm

        Mithie, be that as it may, that information was not know at the time Reid praised him as if nothing happened. We still hold our politicians to a higher standard and demand investigations or resignations where appropriate. Democrats have no such

        You apparently forget Anthony Weiner and Bill “Cold Cash” Jefferson scandals. Proggy politicians and their drones defended them until they finally admitted guilt and were forced to resign – all the while they maintained their innocence with lies. Democrats demand resignations from chair positions while any Republican is under investigation – not so with Jefferson.

        Democrats want investigations on Republicans with the only basis being the “seriousness of the charge”. They maintain that the charges are so serious they must hold hearings. Any hearings the Republicans want to hold on Democrats are then termed as “witch hunts” or “politically motivated”.

        We saw that in the Benghazi hearings. Democrats pulled every trick in the book to delay those hearings. If it was a Republican administration, the hearings would have started the following week of the incident.

  12. 02casper March 13, 2013 / 7:40 pm

    Mitche,
    It does no good to respond to neo or to get mad at him. He reminds me of some of the kids I’ve worked with over the years who were abused, very angry and somewhat disconnected from the real world. The best way to deal with him is to ignore him. The flip side is he has to respond to anything you or I write. It’s part of his nature. He can’t help himself.

    Mark,
    I would like to hear you take on Pope Francis. Personally, from what I’ve read, I think he is a great choice. Someone who really cares about the poor. I’m hoping he will lead the Church in a better direction.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 7:55 pm

      Someone who really cares about the poor. I’m hoping he will lead the in a better direction.

      we ALL care about the poor………..robbing Peter to pay Paul is not the answer, too bad you leftist loons cant grasp that.
      When the goose that lays the golden eggs is killed EVERYBODY starves.
      Duhhh economics 101….FAR above your temp paygrade.

    • 02casper March 13, 2013 / 8:00 pm

      I’ve also never gotten into teasing animals.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 8:07 pm

      why would you tease your self?

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 8:21 pm

      catspuke

      “monitored” is a LIE….visited the fork a couple of times to see what and who they were is factual.
      next lame accusation?? Pffftttttttt

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 9:11 pm

      LOL
      seems no one has taught the temp “teacher” catspuke what an analogy is.

      3rd grade knowledge.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 10:33 pm

      riiight pee wee….

    • GMB March 13, 2013 / 10:42 pm

      No Casper, absolutely not. Unless you have been there you can never understand. Getting shot at day in day out will do things to people. Some go mad with the bug. Some become quivering masses of jelly.

      Then there are personages such as Neo and myself who are not afraid to let our opinions be know, be damned what anyone else thinks of us.

      We went and did our job and I will be damned if some chairborne ranger like you will insult someone so much like me.

      So go sit back in your taxpayer bought chair behind your taxpayer bought desk, enjoy your taxpayer funded heating and air conditioning and wait for your taxpayer funded summer vacation.

      I hope my opinion is crystal clear.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 10:52 pm

      🙂 🙂 🙂 Semper Fi Brother…….

    • Amazona March 14, 2013 / 4:24 pm

      casper, your silly pop psychology prattling is obnoxious. If you don’t like neo, then just man up and admit it, and don’t try to hide behind what you are trying to present as some kind of serious insight based on your professional experience.

      You were supposedly educated by professionals and have worked as a professional teacher, yet you are pathetically ignorant of our own Constitution and form of government.

      As for your bleating about the new Pope “caring about the poor”—so? So “caring about the poor” is supposed to be something to brag about? I guess so as you Lefties constantly posture about how much YOU “care about the poor”—while setting up systems which perpetuate poverty, use poverty as a class warfare weapon to gain and keep power.

      No, what matters is DOING something about “the poor”—and the only thing that has ever made a permanent, multi-generational, difference in poverty is the free market system in which “the poor” have the opportunity to better their lives by being rewarded for their talents and efforts, and in which they can gain property.

    • Amazona March 14, 2013 / 4:32 pm

      And just what “better direction” do you have in mind, casper?

      I would hope Pope Francis goes back to the old system of weeding out predatory homosexuals and not allowing them into the priesthood, as it is homosexual predation that is the cause of nearly all Church scandals. It is not “pedophilia” as nearly all victims have been post-pubescent boys. It is not just “sexual abuse”. It is the fact that the Church tried to “modernize” and “liberalize” itself and in so doing became a haven for predatory homosexual men, offering them positions of trust from which they could prey upon trusting boys.

      I would hope that he would crack down on vicious racists like Barack Obama’s good friend Father Pflegler (? forgot the exact name) who preaches the most vile, hateful, unChristian, unCatholic bilge under the guise of being a Catholic priest.

      I’d like to see him rein in the loony-tumes pseudo-Catholic clergy, especially nuns, who preach that abortion is OK and try to create the illusion that the Church is behind their radical Leftist antics.

      What direction would YOU like to see?

  13. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 7:43 pm

    daily caller bomber boy?
    UPI?
    still NO refutes ……..why is dat?

    • The Return of Rathaven March 13, 2013 / 7:51 pm

      Because lord knows the real news sources like the New York Times has never printed a retraction.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 7:56 pm

      ROR
      LOL

      shhhhh wayyyyyy too much info for the Lo Fo to absorb.

    • The Return of Rathaven March 13, 2013 / 8:00 pm

      Is the lo-fo now claiming that either of Obama’s two memoirs are “not reliable”?

  14. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 13, 2013 / 7:49 pm

    Humans fail neo; we pick the best we find and sometimes they fall well below our expectations.

    She resigned, the honorable thing to do, her “rising career” is circling the drain; that’s a bitch if she’s innocent.

    cut the Gov some slack dude, he’s not a dictator or Obama (but I repeat myself).

  15. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 8:05 pm

    count

    we here in Fla are disappointed in our governor on MANY issues.
    Including unanswered death threats and hits on our citizens by out of state terrorists, the ensuing witch hunt on GZ, the flip flop on obama care, now his hand picked double minority HAVING to “resign” (you know the drill) …..hope she takes pam bondi with her.

    ALMOST makes one long for ole charlie the tuna crist………ALMOST!!

  16. Cluster March 13, 2013 / 9:01 pm

    I would like to hear you take on Pope Francis. Personally, from what I’ve read, I think he is a great choice. Someone who really cares about the poor. I’m hoping he will lead the in a better direction. – Casper

    Someone who CARES about the poor? Is that all that it takes anymore? All you have to do is care and sympathize and you’re held in high esteem amongst mindless liberals? Is that it Casper? Evidently it is, because Lord knows results don’t matter to you morons.

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 9:08 pm

      cluster

      but but, IF we only spend 900TRILLION more dollars of OPM on the “poor” ….then……..

    • 02casper March 13, 2013 / 10:46 pm

      Cluster,
      Why is caring for the poor a bad thing?

      • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 10:48 pm

        who said “caring” for the poor is a bad thing?

        theft in their name is.

      • tiredoflibbs March 14, 2013 / 5:43 am

        No brainer, cappy.

        When leftist politicians use “caring for the poor” to enhance and secure their voter base with other people’s money.

        BTW, are you saying that other popes did not care for the poor?

  17. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 9:13 pm

    crustybrownshorts

    ****mind-blowing revelation*****

    LOLX10,000 spoken like a true LO FO

  18. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 9:15 pm

    crustyBS

    REFUTE ……….ANY…….. of the articles…..

  19. neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 9:22 pm

    count
    Humans fail neo; we pick the best we find and sometimes they fall well below our expectations.

    True…
    however I believe she was “hand picked” by the RINO- tra von scott because of Hue, gender, and orientation….NOT for her supposed abilities

  20. tiredoflibbs March 13, 2013 / 9:59 pm

    I see no one has explained to you crusty what “open source” means.

    And apparently, you also don’t know what an insult is either.

    Pathetic.

  21. tiredoflibbs March 13, 2013 / 10:03 pm

    Neo, crusty doesn’t refute. He makes baseless declarations, dismissals and outright lies. I caught him in some yesterday. Rather than refute them, he acted as if they never happened and went straight to the typical “you are an idiot” phase of lefty “debate”. Of course, I was not a lone target for his tantrums.

    And of course, he played the hurt puppy when his insults and attacks were removed.

  22. ricorun March 13, 2013 / 10:10 pm

    To be honest, I haven’t read most of the posts on this thread. It seems things got off the rails early on. And Gen. Mattis is one of my favorite assholes of all time — he’s a Marine’s Marine; as smart as a whip and someone who can lay down a blue streak so withering it’ll pin your ears back and singe your hair at 20 paces. I also think he’s technically correct about Iran — both about Iran’s less-than-peaceful nuclear aspirations, and about the US’s ability to bring Iran to its knees.

    I’m also thinking that the Obama administration is thinking that our anti-missile defense technology will continue to outstrip Iran’s (or North Korea’s) ability to missilize a nuclear weapon for the foreseeable future. And really, what good is the ability to crow if, in the end, you’re a neutered rooster and only able to crow?

    • neocon01 March 13, 2013 / 10:43 pm

      the Obama administration is thinking that our anti-missile defense technology will continue to outstrip Iran’s (or North Korea’s) ability to missilize a nuclear weapon for the foreseeable future.

      Hmmmmmm

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