Habemus Papam Franciscum

I am delighted with the new Pope – seems a solid, bell-ringer of a priest sort of man; someone who is determined that Catholics from highest to lowest will get down and dirty and do the work of the Lord for the least among us.  Of course, some people were surprised to find that the new Pope is, well, Catholic – saw shocked-sounding headlines pointing out that Francis is opposed to abortion and gay marriage.  Tomorrow’s shocking news:  he believes in the Trinity and that Jesus suffered, died and was buried and on the third day rose again.

Liberals can find some comfort in the fact that Francis doesn’t exactly have a love affair with capitalism – though they’ll be less pleased to find that, apparently, he condemns it as “neo-liberalism”.  But on the whole, Francis’ clear adherence to Truth is going to be a stumbling block for liberals.  So much the worse for them.

I have some hopes for the new Pope, which I won’t give word to now:  better to just see what he does and comment on it on a case by case basis.  Fortunately, the government of the Church is not my office so its not up to me to figure out how to carry out God’s will while shepherding 1.2 billion people.

Discuss this and any other issues of religious nature.

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38 thoughts on “Habemus Papam Franciscum

  1. 02casper March 13, 2013 / 10:04 pm

    Mark,
    AS I mentioned on the last thread, I think Frances is a good choice. He sounds like a man who practices what he preaches.

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 10:27 am

      catspuke

      He sounds like a man who practices what he preaches.

      what does he preach?

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 10:30 am

      catspuke

      @CP” I think Frances is a good choice.

      glad to see you agree with the Pope.

      About gay marriage, he was just as blunt:

      “Let’s not be naïve. We’re not talking about a simple political battle. It is a destructive pretension against the plan of God.

      We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

      He argued that adoption by same-sex couples was a form of discrimination against children,

  2. 01canadianobserver March 14, 2013 / 7:00 am

    Mark, why do you think Pope Francis would condemn capitalism as “neo-liberalism”.?

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 9:13 am

      KanuckUnobserver…..

      “, why do you think Pope Francis would condemn capitalism as “neo-liberalism”.

      Has he?
      SHOW us when, where, and the context of “his” alleged statement statement.

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 9:33 am

        Bergoglio is doctrinally conservative and, not surprisingly, strict in his orthodoxy on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

        He’s described the pro-choice movement as a “culture of death,” and opposed the distribution of contraceptives in Argentina.

        About gay marriage, he was just as blunt:

        “Let’s not be naïve. We’re not talking about a simple political battle. It is a destructive pretension against the plan of God.
        We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

        He argued that adoption by same-sex couples was a form of discrimination against children,

      • 01canadianobserver March 14, 2013 / 9:42 am

        Neocon, please go back and read Mark’s post:-

        Liberals can find some comfort in the fact that Francis doesn’t exactly have a love affair with capitalism – though they’ll be less pleased to find that, apparently, he condemns it as “neo-liberalism”…Mark.

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        I asked Mark a question based on a statement he wrote. Capisce?

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 9:45 am

        CZero

        *******apparently***********, he condemns

        LOOK it up for your self rather than asking Sir Knight. capice?

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 9:48 am

        Kanuckstooge

        Liberals COMMIES can find some comfort in the fact that Francis doesn’t exactly have a love affair with capitalism

        FIXED!

    • GMB March 14, 2013 / 9:20 am

      Yes oh do answer that question for us there observer and while you are at it please tell us why the new pope was such a fierce opponent of homosexual marriage and why oh why has he rejected liberation theology?

      Nit picker.

      • GMB March 14, 2013 / 9:43 am

        The new Popes own words. “No communion for pro choice politicians”

        Get a load of this guy. What a fringe type eh?

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 9:46 am

        GMB

        what a radical…he advocates.following the teaching of Christ and the Bible……

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 1:43 pm

        GMB

        ” “No communion for pro choice politicians”

        now who could possibly be against this????? (sarcasm)

        Study: African-American teen abortion rates reach twice national average

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2NXMC2GK8

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 10:02 am

      KanuckUnobservant

      There is no system that exacerbates extreme inequality of opportunity and thus promotes poverty more severely than a Marxist/socialist system. Such a system has been empirically established to consistently and repeatedly impoverish the vast majority of people under its control and concentrates privilege, wealth, and power in the hands of a central few.”

      I agree!!

      • 01canadianobserver March 14, 2013 / 1:14 pm

        I’m sure, neocon, you will also agree with this Pope’s empathy & compassion for the poor. From what I’ve heard, he seems like a very humble man without the taste for the usual trappings & privileges that accompany the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 1:19 pm

        Kanuckobserver

        with that I do somewhat agree.
        too bad barry and the mooch cant follow suit.

    • M. Noonan March 14, 2013 / 11:08 pm

      CO,

      Because, in truth, that is what it is – liberalism built capitalism…and what we have today with this mountain of debt, fake money, destruction of savings and encouragement of over-consumption is just a new twist on an old, liberal notion. This is also what some of my fellow conservatives don’t fully understand: if we try to conserve capitalism, we’re just conserving a liberal thing. I’m a Distributist because I know that we can’t go on like this – not with liberal capitalism nor with its replacement, liberal socialism. A clean break, a full revolution – and thus a restoration of what was: a Distributist economy.

      Francis will cause some heart ache on the right – at the moment, everyone is delighted with his forthright defense of traditional morality but there will come the Papal statement (perhaps even an eventual encyclical on it) condemning an economic model which is not based upon hard work and frugal living – of course, when it comes, it will also have much negative to say about liberal and socialist economic ideals.

      • bagni March 16, 2013 / 2:02 pm

        hey mark
        just a quick point of interest
        “debt, fake money, destruction of savings and encouragement of over-consumption”
        ????
        all of these are not exclusive to liberals…
        over the years conservatives have also gone above and beyond their call of duty in “celebrating” these areas

      • tiredoflibbs March 16, 2013 / 2:54 pm

        “over the years conservatives have also gone above and beyond their call of duty in “celebrating” these areas.”

        They are not really conservatives the are they?

  3. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 14, 2013 / 11:07 am

    I’m impressed that they decided on a Jesuit, especially since he doesn’t (always) fit the mold of the Jesuits. It does signal possibly a new outreach to education, which is good.

    I don’t fully understand picking an American – South American to be sure, but the fastest growing groups in the Church are Latin Americans and Africans; European Catholicism is shrinking. A European Bishop makes more sense to me … but they didn’t call and ask my opinion.

    I’m also impressed with the nod to the Franciscans, this could mean a return to the simplicity of the Papacy. More John XXIII and less John Paul II?

  4. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) March 14, 2013 / 12:48 pm

    these policies add to the aggregate suffering in the world.

    Not nearly as much suffering as Leftist policies.

  5. neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 1:07 pm

    crustybrownshorts

    policies of the church

    DOCTRINES…….NOT “policies”
    do TRY to educate your self.
    Doctrines do not change because some moron in the third pew does not like them…….DONT like it……QUIT and go join some cult like Barack Hussein Barry did.

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    which are destructive to human health and happiness. I’m referring to his opposition to gay adoption, abortion even in cases of rape, and to the promotion

    sodomy = AIDS, STD’s, a pathology and form of insanity.
    abortion = Murder of a human being.
    homosexual “adoption” = a feel good ridiculous affirmation of one’s mental pathology.

    yeah these sure do add to mankind, human health and “happiness” all right…..

  6. neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 1:12 pm

    crustyBS

    even in cases of rape

    so the singular crime of rape should end in the MURDER of the child?
    deprive him/her the gift of living for 80 some years? all because YOU and some other depraved LOONS say so?

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 14, 2013 / 2:02 pm

      Don’t forget neo, progressives feel they’ve been “punished” with the child.

      So, to them killing the child is punishing the child for the sins of the father.

      How terribly progressive they are.

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 2:16 pm

      count

      Yup……..sad but true.

      By the way, Happy Pi day!! 🙂

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 14, 2013 / 3:53 pm

      Thanks neo, have a slice of 3.14159 on me.

      Say, ever notice how these progressives can’t help themselves from lecturing religious groups on how they should observe their religion?

      As my priest, Father Jerry used to say, “You no Playa da game, you no maka da rules!”

      And remember, that number in Rome is Et cum Spiri-Two-Two-Oh!

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 4:19 pm

        count is that like

        fe fe fi – fo fo fi fe = Mike Tysons #

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 14, 2013 / 4:30 pm

        Sorry neo, sometimes i forget Vatican II.

        Et cum spiritu tuo is Latin for “and with your spirit” . It was the response we said when the Priest said Dominus vobiscum at the end of Mass, which means “,i>may the Lord be with you IIRC.

        Et cum spiritu tuo is pronounced Et-come Spirrie – 2 – 2 – Oh, and sounds like someone reading a phone number.

        Real high humor among Alter Boys. But, everything was funny after stealing Father Mike’s Manachevitz Grape Wine.

      • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 6:59 pm

        count

        Real high humor among Alter Boys. But, everything was funny after stealing Father Mike’s Manachevitz Grape Wine.

        Ooh dont I know
        most of this Catholic Irishman’s friends were polish/italian alter boys. Cept my Jewish buds who I liked the best………REAL humor among them.

        ahh the good old days when America was America.

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 4:17 pm

      count

      but they NEVER ……EVER, lecture islam and muzzis. why is dat?…

      you go BOOM!! infidel

  7. neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 3:55 pm

    crustyBS

    LIE #1
    The criminalization of abortion does nothing to reduce abortion rates,

    LIE #2
    but greatly increases injury and death to women who have them:

    when (LIE # 2) APPROACHES FIFTY FIVE MILLION come back and talk.

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 4:20 pm

      crustyBS

      Duhhhh!!

  8. neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 4:01 pm

    Whoah…….
    Third, and this is obvious, preventing gay couples from adopting children is preventing children from growing up in loving, two-parent homes. This hardly needs further explanation.

    whats next?
    having two serial killers as loving two “parent” homes?

    How about joe and adolph raising a nice Jewish boy? after all two loving “parents” right?

    after all this hardly needs Führer explanation….eh?

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    par·ent (pârnt, pr-)
    n.
    1. One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child; a father or mother.
    2. An ancestor; a progenitor.
    3. An organism that produces or generates offspring.

    • neocon01 March 14, 2013 / 4:15 pm

      About every 20 seconds a baby is aborted.
      159 abortions are done every hour,
      3,805 every day,
      115,744 every month.
      Almost 30% of all pregnancies are now ended by abortion.

      As for the number of deaths from illegal abortions, in 1960 the total number of all pregnancy-related deaths (from abortions as
      well as from childbirth and other problems during pregnancy)
      was 1,579

      (according to the Vital Statistics of the United States, Vol.
      II, Mortality, Part A. 1960-77).

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) March 14, 2013 / 4:20 pm

        When will the secular progressives realize that no Catholic anywhere gives a fat rat’s ass what they think about the Church or its teachings?

        The Pontiff is sure as hell not going to take the advise of those that enslave millions to lives of hopelessness, dependency and misery in the name of instantaneous self gratification,

        Kyrie eleison!

      • M. Noonan March 14, 2013 / 11:14 pm

        What they also don’t seem to realize is that the Church remains the Church through all changes…my goodness, just a cursory look at history of the last 2,000 years should convince anyone of that! Unless, of course, they don’t know history, at all (which is what I suspect). Peoples, nations, empires, fads, fashions, heresies…all transient, temporary things. And the Church goes on – teaching today what it taught 1,000 years ago and what it will teach 1,000 years from now, unless it please Our Lord to return sooner.

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