The TMZ Approach To Politics

Well, I guess it had to come to this, much to my displeasure, but I can’t blame them:

One way to attract younger votes, the report states, is having Republican leaders spend more time going on “The Daily Show,” “The Colbert Report” and MTV, and giving interviews to publications like People and Us Weekly.

We as a society should be embarrassed at the level we have sunk to. Rather than strictly being a mechanism of government that follows the Constitution and perpetuates those doctrines of governance that have created the most economically successful country in the world and the most advanced in terms of human rights and cultural diversity, we have allowed our nature of politics to devolve into a swamp of  mindless celebrity idol worship and gossip. And because of that, we are rapidly spiraling downwards into a banana republic and destroying what was the most successful experiment in human government ever.

On the positive side, it looks as though the GOP is finally growing a pair and willing to campaign in traditionally blue areas and take the fight to the liberals. As Mark has repeatedly, and rightly advocated, we need to take the fight to them and expose them for the failures they are, for the petulant children they are, for the pandering fools they are, for the racists they are, and for the hypocrites they are. That being said, I hope we do that in an intelligent, articulate, self assured, and confident way, and that means that Sarah Palin may have to stay home. Sorry Conservatives, but in my opinion she is a walking cliche. While I do personally respect her for her courage to engage in the battle and for her few success’s in governance, she did resign for all the wrong reasons, and is incapable of elevating the debate above a bumper sticker approach and perpetuates the TMZ mentality. Her holding up a big gulp at CPAC is a good example.

We need more Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, and Rand Paul types to fight the battle for us, and deliver something as brilliant as Marco Rubio did at CPAC:

“The answer is simple. Because I am privileged. I am privileged to be a citizen of the single greatest society in all of human history. There’s never been a nation like the United States, ever. It begins with the principles of our founding documents, principles that recognize that our rights come from God, not from our government — principles that recognize that because all of us are equal in the eyes of our creator, all life is sacred at every stage of life. These principles embody the commitment to individual liberty which has made us the freest people in history. They also made possible our free-enterprise economy, which has made us the most prosperous people in history. The result is an America where — which is the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from. You can be anything you are willing to work hard to be. The result is the only economy in the world where poor people with a better idea and a strong work ethic can compete and succeed against rich people in the marketplace and competition. And the result is the most reliable defender of freedom in the history of the world.” Read the full transcript here.

I urge all conservatives to start to elevate the debate, but at the same time, get in the face of every petulant childish liberal you know and ridicule them if needed on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country.

UPDATE, by Mark Noonan:  A new Hill poll shows that people solidly back the GOP budget proposals until they find out they are GOP proposals.  Which means the people simply don’t trust us – which is understandable, as we’ve been untrustworthy (so have the Democrats, but at least they talk a game about caring about the people – plus Obama remains personally popular).   Lesson:  we get a messenger that the people can trust, and we’ll beat the Democrats like a drum.

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94 thoughts on “The TMZ Approach To Politics

  1. bardolf2 March 18, 2013 / 11:48 am

    The fundamental problem at the Federal level for the GOP is the dissonance between promise and power.

    The fact is that most power at the Federal level is premised on controlling as much money as possible (taking away states rights is a bipartisan affair) or giving certain groups a leg up in the free market by adding or subtracting regulations = barriers to entry.

    I was talking with a solid tea party supporter this weekend about how the National Minimum Drinking Age Act came about. Living in a state with 19 as the drinking age at the time it was a big deal among the youth. Reagan was president so one might imagine he wouldn’t be trying to dictate highway things like the speed limit as the moron Carter had done. Wrong.

    Upon passage, South Dakota (Nebraska’s neighbor to the north) questioned the national drinking age, suing then-Secretary of Transportation Elizabeth Dole in the case South Dakota v. Dole. The Supreme Court, led by William Rehnquist, upheld the power of Congress to withhold federal funds in pursuit of national policies. Future GOP presidents did similar things, NCLB comes to mind as exhibit numero uno.

    SO the GOP runs on fiscal conservatism, states rights, etc. which means that at the federal level they should try and limit government intrusion. There is a fundamental conflict, a cognitive dissonance, some might say an hypocrisy. The GOP at the federal level should be giving away their own power in the form of controlling taxpayer money.

    • neocon01 March 18, 2013 / 2:05 pm

      Fmr Bush Chief Strategist Compares Conservatives to the Flinstones, Sarah Palin to the Kardashians

      Matthew Dowd, former chief strategist for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign, apparently doesn’t have much of a soft spot for CPAC or for Sarah Palin. Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, Dowd likened CPAC to no less than two prehistoric children’s cartoons, and not so subtly compared former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to Kim Kardashian

      —————————————————————————————-

      http://agendadocumentary.com/trailer/

      • neocon01 March 18, 2013 / 2:15 pm

        ROTFLMAO….I love it when the rats eat each other…..

        redstate.com ^ | March 17 2013 | redstate.com

        There’s nothing more embarrassing for union bosses than their own unionized staff striking against them or, in this case, threatening to strike. In San Francisco,
        SEIU staff, represented by the left-wing Communications Workers of America, has been without a contract since their contract expired last September.
        SEIU boss Roxanne Sanchez, according to the San Francisco Bay Guardian, is trying to get her union staff to give concessions on their pensions and health care. Last week, after months without a contract, 94% of the SEIU’s own union staff voted to strike.

  2. Cluster March 18, 2013 / 3:46 pm

    Barstool,

    Interstate Commerce is one of the enumerated duties of the federal government, so in as much a drinking age affects interstate transportation, I don’t really have a problem with a “federal drinking age”, although I do think 21 is a little high (19 may be better). I remember in college, a lot of kids that went to WSU in Pullman would drive over the to U of I in Moscow where the drinking age was lower, so again, I can see the for involvement in that issue.

    Education is another thing altogether, and there wasn’t much support amongst conservatives for Bush’s NCLB.

    • neocon01 March 18, 2013 / 4:38 pm

      age was 18 in NY, but 21 in cali. a Marine who fought in Da Nang, Hue and Khe Sanh……but couldn’t have a beer in Applebees.

    • bardolf2 March 18, 2013 / 6:57 pm

      “The Supreme Court, led by William Rehnquist, upheld the power of Congress to withhold federal funds in pursuit of national policies.”

      I don’t think the Interstate Commerce was mentioned, South Dakota wasn’t allowed an exemption to e.g. refuse out of state drivers that is why they sued. Also, Judge Roberts has hinted the law might be an overstepping.

      In any case my main point still holds. The GOP at the federal level runs on reducing government and tries to exert power by expanding government, at least in their neighborhood. You weren’t even born the last time a Republican balanced the budget (Eisenhower 57 btw) so why should a young person believe anything the GOP promises.

      • Amazona March 19, 2013 / 9:57 am

        ” You weren’t even born the last time a Republican balanced the budget……….”

        Careful parsing of words there, dolf.

        Remove the “a” and add an “s” to “Republican” and shazaaam! you are at the balanced budget achieved by the Gingrich House and later claimed by Clinton and his adoring groupies as a personal triumph as well as a Dem victory.

      • bardolf2 March 19, 2013 / 11:56 pm

        Amy

        You know better than to claim Gingrich balanced the budget. Clinton was fortunate to have military savings + new taxes which applied to corporate executive stock options for the first time thereby increasing the revenue.

        No GOP president in my lifetime has been part of a balanced budget. The balanced budget via trimming government programs just doesn’t occur precisely because it’s a vote loser.

  3. 02casper March 18, 2013 / 7:20 pm

    cluster,

    “I urge all conservatives to start to elevate the debate, but at the same time, get in the face of every petulant childish liberal you know and ridicule them if needed on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country.”

    So you want to elevate the debate and get nasty at the same time. Let me know how that works out for you.

    • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 8:01 am

      Casper,

      As usual, you missed the point. I didn’t advocate to get “nasty”, rather to be ridiculing, mocking, making fun of – which has worked very well for Democrats: think Jon Stewart and even Obama on many occasion.

    • Amazona March 19, 2013 / 10:52 am

      But to an emotion-driven Lib (sorry for the redundancy) any critique of anything they do or say IS “nasty”.

      They cannot separate policy from person, for the simple reason that they don’t know the difference, much less care. They are personality-driven, falling in love and then taking sides based on who they like and who doesn’t like whom, reducing what should be a rational decision about how to govern the nation to the level of third-grade playground politics.

      We constantly see them muddling policy and personality, constantly see them screeching that opposition to a policy is an attack on the person promoting it. constantly see the (successful) efforts of the mind-bending Leftist leaders to shift attention away from reason to reaction based on emotion.

      Just look at the hysteria of the Left about the so-called HATRED of Bill Clinton. When I would ask a Lib why he had so much seething loathing for George Bush, the answer was always a version of how hating Bush was only fair because of the hatred we had for Clinton. Well, we identified Clinton’s actions and policies but I remember very little personal hatred for the man, and it was not general among conservatives.

      But to a Lib, whose entire “political” identity is based on emotion, and who vote AGAINST a party not because of its actual ideology but because they have been trained to hate hate hate it and all who belong to is, it is impossible to understand that there are rational objective people who make decisions based on fact instead of hysteria.

      And so we have casper, and his shrill squealing petty catty ilk.

      • 02casper March 19, 2013 / 7:10 pm

        Amazona,

        I have to say that I am at a point that I look forwards to your tirades. Nobody “projects” better than you. No one puts as much emotion into his or her writing than you. I’ve started sharing some of your better comments with others and I have to say the comments have given us all something to laugh about. Please keep them coming.

        BTW, I never expressed hatred of any kind for President Bush. I never made fun of his name or said anything near as nasty as conservatives do every day about President Obama. While I disagree with most of his policies, I was the first to point out some of the good things he did.

  4. bardolf2 March 18, 2013 / 7:23 pm

    Neoconehead’s allusion to Nam’ and drinking age of 21 made me think about the future.

    Say in a decade or so that there are Google self-driving cars. What is the argument for having a drinking age of 21?

    Maybe the GOP could push the whole self-driving car business, lower the drinking age to 18 and put the ‘union’ truckers out of business all within a few decades.

    • 02casper March 18, 2013 / 7:42 pm

      bardolf,

      Great idea. I should point out though that neo wasn’t denied a beer at Applebees when he was 18 since Applebees didn’t exist that long ago.

      • bardolf2 March 18, 2013 / 9:46 pm

        Casper

        I know Applebees started in 1980, but the idea of Applebees is what Neo was referring to IMO. I was trying to think of the equivalent of Applebees in the NeoNam era, but 5 cent stores with cafeterias sold mostly sundae sodas and not hard liquor.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:22 am

        Dr Baldork

        I know Applebees started in 1980, but ***the idea of Applebees is what Neo was referring to***

        One for the Prof
        Zero for the faux “teach”..

        analogies seem well above his pay grade.

      • Amazona March 19, 2013 / 9:28 am

        casper, your reading comprehension is absolutely pathetic, though I think it is an accurate assessment of your general IQ. While your comments reflect your inability to process information, they do explain what might be called your political orientation—I say “might be called” because it has so little to do with politics and so much to do with erratic emotional knee-jerk responses to what is evidently as poorly understood as the Applebees reference.

  5. mitchethekid March 18, 2013 / 8:01 pm

    I grew up in NY State during the Rockefeller era. If you could be drafted at 18 to fight in Vietnam, you should be able to drink before the age of 21.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:22 am

      bmitch

      let me guess Niagara Falls?

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:26 am

        Love Canal area……explains the brain damage.

      • mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 9:31 am

        Not Niagara Falls nor Love Canal. Being from Buffalo as you are, I wouldn’t make fun as Buffalo was known as “the armpit of NY State”.
        I grew up in Binghamton. Home of IBM, Rod Serling and me!

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:42 am

        Bmitch

        armpit? no, we called it what I think of you, and Ubama.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:43 am

        Bmitch

        Not from Buffalo per se.
        Kenmore/Tonawanda. the burbs.

  6. watsonthethird March 18, 2013 / 10:03 pm

    Cluster said, “I urge all conservatives to start to elevate the debate, but at the same time, get in the face of every petulant childish liberal you know and ridicule them if needed on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country.”

    Your really thinking ridiculing people is an effective way to make them see your point? This has been the modus operandi of B4V for years. Just wondering, how many people do you think you have converted to your side by ridiculing them here?

    But you are correct about Sarah Palin. See? There’s common ground!

    • Jeremiah March 18, 2013 / 11:30 pm

      Your really thinking ridiculing people is an effective way to make them see your point? This has been the modus operandi of B4V for years. Just wondering, how many people do you think you have converted to your side by ridiculing them here?

      You make about one-third of a point, there, watson.

      It’s easy to speak your mind on the Internet. But for far too long, in the public arena, Conservatives have been too softly spoken.

      The point really is not to convert liberals such as yourself, because are going to remain closed-minded, you and those like you, like mentalmidgetthekid.

      The point is to make it know that we are not going to allow you and your kind to relegate, suppress, and/or bully Conservatives through the lies that you speak about us. We’ve had enough of your trash talk! And we aren’t going to take it anymore!

    • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 8:12 am

      Your really thinking ridiculing people is an effective way to make them see your point? – Watson

      Jon Stewart does it very effectively every night. Even Obama has done it with some success – remember the moat full of alligators? It’s a tactic that works well with the low information voter. And unfortunately, our liberally dominated school system has created a lot of those people.

      • mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 9:40 am

        I think there is a fine line between ridicule and satire. Stewart is a satirist and he is not afraid to engage in serious debates. For example, the relationship he has with Bill O. Do you have the same feelings for say, Will Rogers or Woody Guthrie? It becomes ridicule when what is being said hits a nerve or it’s being said out of spite and vindictiveness or just plain meanness.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 10:00 am

        Stewart was born Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz in New York City. Jon’s mother, Marian (née Laskin), is an educational consultant and teacher. (commies)

        In 2000, when he was labeled a Democrat, Stewart generally agreed but described his political affiliation as “more socialist or independent” than Democratic

        reported to be gay…….

        wow …….

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 10:47 am

        Mitch – think Dennis Miller. Witty, sarcastic, funny as hell and able to engage in serious debate. He is our Jon Stewart.

      • tiredoflibbs March 19, 2013 / 9:24 pm

        Wow mitchie, we always knew you had a problem, Stewart is a satirist? Really? Imagine of a conservative satirist, entertainer or commentator said this about Michelle O.

        http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-calls-sarah-palin-the-c-word-during-his-stand-up-act/

        Or any of the other attacks on Palin or any other conservative woman for that matter. Stewart is a punk. The left would not stand for half of what Stewart says nor any criticism for that matter on any of their liberal women.

        You watch Stewart? It explains alot about you, the crap you regurgitate and the whining you do when you get criticized. Hint: you would not get criticized if you did not go on your rants and repeat the half-truths to lies that you do in spite of the evidence and facts brought before you proving you wrong (like your incorrect vacuum theory for flight).

        Pathetic.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:24 am

      waspstooge

      just following the DNC, and the marxist, muslim usurpers lead. Isnt that what you rats do?
      alinsky 101

    • Amazona March 19, 2013 / 9:38 am

      wattle, you must be a sock puppet of casper’s. At least you share the same inability to process the written word.

      No one said anything about ridiculing PEOPLE. You cited the quote and still got it wrong.

      No, the comment said, quite clearly, that the idea is to ridicule people on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country..

      So it is not a suggestion to make fun of the way people talk or dress or eat spaghetti, it is a suggestion to call Liberals out on the absurdity and danger of what they support and are, therefor, responsible for.

      I have often disagreed with the outcome of elections, but the Presidential election of 2012 is the first (and I hope the only) where I found myself feeling absolute contempt and disdain for the electorate that put this miserable failure back in office. Once, I could understand. Not agree with, but understand. But TWICE!!??

      When I looked at the campaign rhetoric that evidently swayed these people–Ann Romney’s blouse, Mitt Romney’s dog’s diarrhea, the WAR ON WOMEN !!!!!!!!! and so on—-it was impossible to have the slightest respect for the morons who bought into it, and who overlooked the death spiral of our national debt, the incompetence of the President, the radical Leftist makeup of his closest advisors, the Benghazi screwup and coverup, and the general failure of the prior four years.

      Sorry—while these people might be basically decent, they need to be called out on their stupidity and their recklessness and I for one have no problem with the idea of ridiculing their choices.

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 10:50 am

        Excellent summation of my point. And I couldn’t agree more regarding the 2012 election and the disdain I share as well for the voting public.

      • watsonthethird March 19, 2013 / 2:22 pm

        Amazona, you’re mincing words is so… typical. You say no one said anything about ridiculing PEOPLE, and then you say, “No, the comment said, quite clearly, that the idea is to ridicule people on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country.

        “Ridicule people.” You’re boldfacing part of the sentence doesn’t change the fact that you are ridiculing people. I can boldface it, too.

        No, the comment said, quite clearly, that the idea is to ridicule people on the failed policies they support, the division they have created, and the mockery they have made of this country.”

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 2:53 pm

        Watson, kind of like when Obama invited Paul Ryan to sit in the front row while he accused him and his budget of wanting to throw seniors over a cliff. Or when Obama ridiculed conservatives for wanting to “build a moat full of alligators around the country”.

        Funny I don’t remember you thinking that was not in good taste. But actually, I don’t give a F**K what you think. You obviously can’t take the heat so get the F**K out of the kitchen.

      • watsonthethird March 19, 2013 / 4:18 pm

        Cluster said, “Funny I don’t remember you thinking that was not in good taste.”

        Funny, you don’t remember me commenting on either of these at all, so you just put words into my mouth. Typical Cluster. As far as President Obama “ridiculing” poor little Paulie Ryan, I do note that he continues to present the same old budget with only minor tweaks. I guess ridicule didn’t work so well there, either. But by all means, Cluster, ridicule away. I especially encourage you to do it to people’s faces instead of hiding behind an anonymous monicker on the Internet. That should be far more effective.

        By the way, be careful about using asterisks in order to disguise bad words whose meaning we all know. The board moderators chastised NeoClown for that very thing the other day. You could be next. Maybe they’ll try ridiculing you and that will make you stop it. Yeah. That’s it.

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 5:36 pm

        As far as President Obama “ridiculing” poor little Paulie Ryan…

        So it’s ok for you and Obama to ridicule Paul Ryan, but you caution me of doing the same thing???

        What planet do you live on? Incidentally, I do ridicule liberals to their face when I come upon them and am in the mood. It’s actually enjoyable.

      • watsonthethird March 19, 2013 / 7:02 pm

        Cluster said:


        So it’s ok for you and Obama to ridicule Paul Ryan, but you caution me of doing the same thing???

        Cluster, the point was that, assuming President Obama was ridiculing Paul Ryan, it had absolutely no effect on him. It was ineffectual. That is my point: Ridiculing people for their ideas will not win you many converts.


        What planet do you live on? Incidentally, I do ridicule liberals to their face when I come upon them and am in the mood. It’s actually enjoyable.

        Exactly. You do it for sport. We all knew that. I bet you have never brought a single one of them around to your point of view by way of ridicule. Again, it’s ineffectual.

      • 02casper March 19, 2013 / 7:18 pm

        Watson is not my sock puppet. The only sock puppet I have is neo and I only use him when I am off my meds.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 7:26 pm

        The only sock puppet I have is neo and I only use him when I am off my meds.

        LOL
        good one.

      • 02casper March 19, 2013 / 7:41 pm

        ‘neocon01 March 19, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

        The only sock puppet I have is neo and I only use him when I am off my meds.

        LOL
        good one.”

        Did you actually say something nice? Maybe we have more in common than liking Applebees.

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 7:46 pm

        Watson,

        Again you are just plain wrong, it is effective. Especially with the low information voter. Look at how popular Jon Stewart is, and he has made a living off ridiculing conservatives and has influenced many along the way. Take for example again Obama ridiculing Ryan on his budget and its impact on seniors, which was a complete falsehood, but gained a lot of traction anyway, so it is very effective. We will just have to agree to disagree.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 11:15 pm

        catspuke

        Maybe we have more in common than liking Applebees.

        could be…

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 11:20 pm

        waspstooge

        The board moderators chastised NeoClown for that very thing the other day. You could be next.

        nah, Im the only black sheep here on the good guys side.

    • watsonthethird March 19, 2013 / 2:43 pm

      Jeremiah writes:


      It’s easy to speak your mind on the Internet. But for far too long, in the public arena, Conservatives have been too softly spoken.

      Really? There are loudmouth conservatives in every kind of media. They are everywhere. I hardly think the problem is that no one is hearing conservatives. Maybe you should ask yourself if it’s the message.


      The point really is not to convert liberals such as yourself, because are going to remain closed-minded, you and those like you, like mentalmidgetthekid.

      Pot calling kettle black. If you think you’re not close-minded, then you lack self awareness. Name a single instance in which ridicule on B4V–of which there is plenty–has changed anyone’s opinion about anything. Heck, name a single time that anyone has had their position changed about any fundamental topic on B4V. It doesn’t happen. It’s cute that you claim this is solely a fault of liberals, but not a single conservative has every been convinced to change here on B4V. In fact, mostly you all complain that non-conservatives have the audacity to present a different point of view and you wish they would just go away.


      The point is to make it know that we are not going to allow you and your kind to relegate, suppress, and/or bully Conservatives through the lies that you speak about us. We’ve had enough of your trash talk! And we aren’t going to take it anymore!

      So what are you going to do about it? Resort to ridicule? That’s bound to be highly effective. Let me ask you: How do you respond when someone ridicules you or your ideas?

  7. M. Noonan March 18, 2013 / 11:37 pm

    Many conservatives are already on this same line of thought – and even thinking that we can buy up large swaths of the MSM as it fails…as the big papers and magazines head towards bankruptcy, we can pick them up for a song and by inserting, subtly, some conservative messaging we can revive their readership and get our message out to the low information voters. We also need (and I know of some who are doing this) more conservatives to get in to movies and television – the success of “The Bible” shows that if we put together a modicum of talent with popular entertainment geared towards decency, we’ll grab a huge section of market share…and if we carefully hold back from anything too overtly partisan, we can also start re-educating the culture towards our point of view.

    Its a Long March, fellow revolutionaries – this isn’t going to be done in a day. It took the left a century to ruin this nation, it will probably take us longer to restore it. But, step by step, lets get moving.

    • Norma Stitz March 19, 2013 / 1:07 am

      Mark

      I agree completely with your point but invoking Mao Tse-Tungs slogans is probably an unwise means to rally our troops.

      Perhaps this is a Journey of 10,000 steps rather than a Long March or Great Leap Forward.

      Do keep up your good work here, but I hope more care is taken with your chuce of words.

      • M. Noonan March 19, 2013 / 2:41 am

        Just recapturing the words of revolution for true revolutionaries – who are those who wish to restore, not destroy.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:36 am

        Norma

        you dont fight Hitlers nazis, or Stalin’s commies with platitudes and pillows.
        You use US Marines who break things, blow them up and kill people.(figuratively speaking) of course……unless…….
        The DNC knows this, they are after all todays CPUSA!!

      • GMB March 19, 2013 / 10:09 am

        ” But, step by step, lets get moving.”

        Do you have any time frame in mind for taking that first step? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries?

        Please, let me know when you are ready to take that first step. I’ll cheer you on. Until then I’ll prepare for the disaster that 100 years of non opposition has heaped upon the rest of us.

        Things would be so much easier if you would just tell the proggies NO! for a change.

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 10:52 am

        Please, let me know when you are ready to take that first step. I’ll cheer you on.

        How about if you take that step with us GMB? We’re trying here, and people like Paul, Rubio, Walker, and Cruz are great people to rally around. Join us won’t you?

      • GMB March 19, 2013 / 11:03 am

        “Join us won’t you?”

        As soon as the repub party tells the proggies no on something. Anything. No matter how trivial it is. It could be something as simple as saying no to a 300k dollar research grant to study the sex lives of mice.

        Until then, have fun Sir.

  8. Jeremiah March 19, 2013 / 2:43 am

    It is incumbent upon us to secure the rights and liberties of future generations, and we must do it now. For their blood is upon our heads!

    • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 8:09 am

      I am hoping the elections of 2014 will be the beginning of the end for the GOP elites and I think that they see that coming. All of our young guns received huge praise at CPAC, and McCain had to walk back his “whacko bird” comment directed towards Paul the other day. The day of the McCain’s, Graham’s, Snowe’s, McConnell’s, etc. has come and gone. The base is turning on them. Common sense, practical conservatism is on the rise.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:30 am

        cluster

        The base is turning on them. Common sense, practical conservatism is on the rise.

        I dont think is so much WE are turning on them. I think with the internet, Drudge, Beck, Breitbart etc we are finally beginning to see them unfiltered by the MSM enablers for what and who they are and we dont like it.
        We are saying WHAAAT? this moron is an assKlown.
        In other words we are now able to comparative shop.

      • GMB March 19, 2013 / 8:36 am

        “The day of the McCain’s, Graham’s, Snowe’s, McConnell’s, etc. has come and gone.”

        I will believe that come January of 2014. If you drink, I have a case of GM Bräu that says the current crop of stooges the repubs have in leadership positions now, will be the same crop of stooges then.

        Any takers?

      • GMB March 19, 2013 / 9:08 am

        I am going to have to disagree with my good friend Thomas/Rusty just a little bit here. I would say that the chances of the repubs loosing the HoR in 2014 is about 50/50.

        I see no indication that turnout will be anywhere near what Mr. Preibus expects. If the repubs will not offer any effective opposition to the rats, what need is there to vote for them.

        Your beef is not with me. Your beef is with the folks who reside in the halls of power. Ask them why they won’t shut the money spigot off.

        If the rats win the house in 14, there won’t be need for barky to golfing with mr. suntan.

        FORE!!!ward

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:32 am

      GMB

      OR
      bird cage bottom paper.

  9. Cluster March 19, 2013 / 8:34 am

    More common sense from Dr Ben Carson:

    “Part of the problem that we’re having right now is that there are a lot of people who lack courage,” he added. “They always want everybody to adore them and just are not willing to take stands based on real convictions — and when I see that, I am very impressed with it.”

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    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:46 am

      including African-Americans — who resented his negative comments about President Barack Obama’s policies.

      “There were some from individuals who were relatively narrow-minded and sort of like to put people in categories and boxes and can’t understand why you would move off the reservation,” PLANTATION.

      FOLLOW da MONAYYYYYYY Baaaaby………al, je$$e, wrangle, mad max, etc etc etc.

      PS Good doc……the Herman Cain, Allen West, Sarah Palin donk CPUSA smear machine is as we speak gearing up to destroy you. and the GOP “leadership” will flush you like yesterdays obama….you have been warned!!

  10. mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 4:45 pm

    Cluster:
    Yeah, Dennis Miller is OK but to me he comes across as more snide than insightful but I agree with you, he’s smart, funny and informed. I was surprised to learn that he is #21 in Comedy Centrals top 100 list of all time stand ups. It’s quite a list, you should check it out. He reminds me of P.J. O’Rourke.
    I want to make an observation and since; as I said, I think you are a reasonable person I am looking forward to your response. I would even be willing to give you my email address if there was some way to do so without having it posted here, just to have a more in depth and private exchange of ideas and points of view.
    With that said, and in light of the flurry of activity over these past few days, with the CPAC gathering, Boehner’s admissions about the debt crisis, Priebus’s examination of the state of the Republican party, the anniversary of the Iraq invasion (no WMD’s.) and the topics discussed here at good old B4V, my observation is this.
    There is a consensus amongst the “leaders” of the right, that the fringe needs to go. The extremists, the manifestly uninformed and overly opinionated whose shrill voices drown out and turn off a huge swath of the public who just might be willing to listen to conservative ideas if those voices weren’t so obsessed with stereotypes, race and religion. It is a fact that attitudes towards issues are changing. Gay marriage. Legalization of Marijuana. Assault weapon control (Talk about WMD’s) just to name a few. The public views the tactics of the right as being underhanded and as such, it is a tacit admission that instead of changing with the times, they would rather make it more difficult for those who disagree with their ideology to have a voice in whom they would prefer represent them, rather than to fundamentally change. It is not the framing of an issue or how it is communicated, it is the message itself.
    I say this for a wide variety of reasons. The attempt to make it more difficult for certain groups to vote comes to mind, but the primary example of the problem, an archetype if you will, that the fringe presents to conservatives and the Republican Party is someone like Neo.
    John Stewart is married. He has children and yet Neo insinuated that he was gay. (Not that a gay man can’t be married…to a woman, and have kids but his implication, taken to another degree is that it is a “cover”. And therefore a disparaging comment on Stewart as a public figure and as a loving, caring human being.) His mother was a teacher and to Neo’s small mind is therefore, ipso facto a communist. Neo wouldn’t know a communist if one crushed the breath out of him. John’s brother is (or was) the president of the NY Stock Exchange. THE temple of capitalism. Were they separated at birth? Speaking of which, Neo is a birther. There does not exist, anywhere in the universe, any credible evidence that Barrack Obama was NOT born in the United States, nor does any empirical evidence exist that he is a Muslim, a Marxist, an intravenous drug user or a homosexual.
    It is these fringe convictions and the insistence upon them that is destroying any semblance of tempered conservatism. And yet the right scratches their collective heads wondering why their ideologies have been rejected.
    In order for your ideas to gain acceptance by the public, you have to disassociate yourselves from those who spew this sort of insanity. The more they are tolerated and defended, the more disenfranchised the right will become.
    It is that simple.
    This blog, with as few followers as it has, does have bragging rights for longevity. I think in a past incarnation Neo was Kahn. Haven’t heard from him in awhile, have you all?
    If the moderators of this blog follow the direction of history and present a credible case, or argument if you will, for conservative ideas and purge the gutter snipe Neo, you just might gain more widespread recognition, more followers and a broader exchange of mutually beneficial ideas. And more ad revenue to boot!
    Here is a joke.
    Two old ladies are having lunch together and one says “This food is awful”
    The other says “Yes. And such small portions.”

    • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 5:57 pm

      I don’t object to exchanging email address’s at all. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t enjoy the debate, especially with those with opposing opinion, and you do present good arguments. I don’t disagree with your opinion about marijuana and gay marriage, I however want those matters settled at a state level rather than a federal level, and I think that is where the over arching disconnect is with conservatives. As Spook, Amazona, Count and myself have repeated time and time again, it’s not about the issues per se, as it is about the form of government, and social issue like those belong at a state level. Gay marriage is also a misnomer in that I don’t know of one conservative that would object to same sex civil unions that would afford them all the legal protections of a traditional marriage. So what we are arguing over is the redefinition of a word – a word that is tradition rich, a backbone of every culture, and held dear by millions of people. So I really think the gay community is offending a lot of traditional people by trying to hi jack a word, when they don’t have to.

      Re: assault weapons – there are already numerous laws in place including bans and background checks, all of which will not do one thing to prevent a determined killer. A determined killer will find a weapon and use it and the best prevention is armed opposition. I have a neighbor who has an arsenal of weaponry that a small army would be proud of, and yet I don’t have one thing to fear from him. He is a standup guy and I do feel sorry for the criminal that tries to break into his home, and also know that he would come to the aid of anyone who needed it.

      Re: voter ID laws – that is just common sense and is blown way out of proportion by the left for obvious reasons. If you demand background checks to buy a gun, or even open a bank account, why in the hell wouldn’t you require ID to vote for the most powerful position in the world? It makes no sense.

      I also don’t disagree about the birthers, etc. and that feeling is shared by many conservatives I know. However, they are a minority that the media and liberals conveniently focus on.

      The reason why the left has gained the edge is simply because of media support, constant mischaracterization of policies and positions, and the GOP’s unwillingness to attack back. Well those dynamics are changing.

      • mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 9:03 pm

        Thank you Cluster. But to highlight my point about a certain poster here, see below. Especially the (supposed) put downs of the various job’s and life experiences John Stewart held. Today John is an immensely popular and influential social commentator who is also a millionaire many times over. Neo fixes AC units, has no impulse control and suffers from chronic ignorance. The minority you referred to is typified by folks like him. So I ask again, why is he tolerated or at the least, not rebuffed?

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:41 pm

        bmitch

        . Neo fixes AC units, has no impulse control and suffers from chronic ignorance.
        The minority you referred to is typified by folks like him. So I ask again, why is he tolerated or at the least, not rebuffed?

        ROTFLMAO……….love when you libs writhe on on the floor foaming at the mouth.
        Simply REFUTE the truth……..
        YOU CANT!!!
        so like a typical liberal weenie you cry for moderation…..typical leftist have some one else do your work for you.

        PS TRY to learn what a Mechanical Contractor does.

        OOH WAIT we fly paper imaginary aircraft in wars after they have ende with vacuum assisted wings.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 7:33 pm

      bmitchie

      whats a matter KID? cant take the heat? typical lib useful idiot, cant refute ………censor!
      Goebbels must be soooo proud of your ilk.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 7:39 pm

      bmitck

      There is a consensus amongst the “leaders” of the right, that the fringe needs to go. The extremists, the manifestly uninformed and overly opinionated whose shrill voices drown out and turn off a huge swath of the public who just might be willing to listen to conservative ideas if those voices weren’t so obsessed with stereotypes, race and religion

      Riiiiight Pee Wee.
      unadulterated CRAP an oft repeated ruse by the DNC.
      Over FOUR MILLION conservative voters who voted GOP for mcLame stayed home for the loser to mclame. If they did not even in spite of cheating mitt would have run.
      you are 100% off base on your ridiculous DNC inspired LIE!!
      a lie repeated ten zillion times is STILL a LIE!!

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 7:46 pm

        bmitch

        get real!!!!

        It is funny how you totally ignore the evil, vile, foul, threatening, racist, communist, left wing whacko’s , abortors, and radical homosexual loons on your side….OOH NOO it is all those GOP’ers.
        If only they would become us……..FORGETABOUT IT

        take the LOG out of your eye before you criticize the speck in ours.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 8:48 pm

      bmitch ….you want funny?

      After college, Stewart held numerous jobs:

      a contingency planner for the New Jersey Department of Human Services,
      a contract administrator for the City University of New York,
      a puppeteer for children with disabilities,
      a high school soccer coach,
      a caterer,
      a busboy,
      a shelf stocker at Woolworth’s,
      and a bartender at the Franklin Corner Tavern, a local blue-collar bar.

      In college, Stewart was friends with former Congressman Anthony
      Weiner,

      Bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha now THATS FUNNY as hell!!!!

      the rest of your rants have been thoroughly PROVEN MANY times here…….

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:03 pm

        jimmah

        projection?
        you have someone mixed up with ur mama.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:05 pm

        jimmah

        get real!!!!

        It is funny how you totally ignore the evil, vile, foul, threatening, racist, communist, left wing whacko’s , abortors, and radical homosexual loons on your side….OOH NOO it is all those GOP’ers.

        case made…..in spades.

    • tiredoflibbs March 19, 2013 / 9:08 pm

      “Re: voter ID laws – that is just common sense and is blown way out of proportion by the left for obvious reasons. If you demand background checks to buy a gun, or even open a bank account, why in the hell wouldn’t you require ID to vote for the most powerful position in the world? It makes no sense.”

      The proggies ignore the common sense of the argument! Requesting an ID in order for me to practice my RIGHT to keep and bear arms requires, according to the proggies, is not an infringement, it is a “reasonable” request, as is in their opinion, the anal exam you have to go through to obtain a firearm.

      BUT, request an ID to vote for President, which I will remind our proggies in NOT a guaranteed right in the Constitution, is an unfair infringement and tantamount to RACISM, DISCRIMINATION and other such nonsense. But leave it to our resident proggies to regurgitate the dumbed down talking points without any knowledge to those facts whatsoever.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:17 pm

        tired
        hard to cheat with ID…NO cheating, NO marxist muslim usurper.

  11. mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 9:09 pm

    Who’s Bill?

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:15 pm

      billie, jimmahs mama

  12. mitchethekid March 19, 2013 / 9:28 pm

    I don’t necessarily disagree with showing an ID to vote but there are 2 glaring problems. One, it’s what’s involved in getting the ID for certain groups and two, there are so few cases of actual voter fraud that it isn’t really a problem.
    As far as gay’s marrying, I personally could care less. Marriage, civil unions, whatever. I’m not one much for the entire concept, and not much good at it in my own life. I function better living alone.
    As far as guns, I don’t think military weapons should be available to the public, I think multiple round clips should be banned, I think ammo should cost $5000.00 a round and I think liability insurance should be mandatory. It’s required on a car, house and boats. Why are guns exempt?

    • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 9:43 pm

      I would definitely support free state issued photo ID’s based on income, so those who can’t afford one, can get one.

      Liability insurance on guns would only enrich insurance companies, which I am hesitant to do. It’s not the law abiding citizen (great movie by the way), who would actually pay the insurance that you have to fear. It’s the criminal that wouldn’t pay that you have to fear.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:47 pm

        Cluster

        NO ONE can NOT get FREE ID.
        a total smokescreen and a LIE!!
        with them they would be toast…they fear it

      • Cluster March 19, 2013 / 9:56 pm

        Neo,

        What they’re clamoring about is that it can cost $10 – $15 to get a copy of your birth certificate if needed which is usually required.

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 10:04 pm

        cluster

        you cant cash a check, use your credit card (in many stores), get welfare, food stamps, assisted rent, 0-bama phones, OPM etc etc etc with out ID’s.
        this is a LIE to cheat period.

        PS
        there is NO-BODY in the US that cant get ten bucks for cigarettes, beer, wine OR an ID!

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 10:12 pm

        cluster

        HOMEOWNERS insurance already covers weapons….NOT crimes but general liability.
        just a back door way to confiscation.
        but in fairness…..
        lets make
        bus rides $3000.00 per block
        make renters have $10,000.000.00 liability ins in da hood.
        cigarettes $500.00 each.
        liquor $10,000.00 per bottle.
        $6000.00 to cash welfare checks

        hey what is fair is fair……

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 10:29 pm

        cluster

        a good article

        Stopping the Inevitable
        By Doug Lucas

        One of the most foreboding dictums ever written concerning government is this one: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.”

        Between forty-seven and fifty percent of the human souls in this country pay no taxes at the federal level, and a growing percentage receive ‘earned income’ credits, meaning not only do they not pay in, they are actually given unsolicited welfare by the top fifty percent that they are told is their due. They are ‘entitled’ to it; it was ‘earned.’

        We stand at a precipice. Can we stop or reverse our destiny? If you take the above scenario as the only given, it seems fairly hopeless. The lure of free benefits, unearned income tax credits, and exaggerated salaries for parasitic jobs is almost too good to resist.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/stopping_the_inevitable.html#ixzz2O2jnPdnu

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:45 pm

      bmitch

      multiple round *****clips******* should be banned

      OOH YESSSSSSSS by all means BAN those EEEEEEVIL ***CLIPS****

      PS
      ill go for $5000.00 bullets, when you go for $5000.00 voter ID’s

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:51 pm

      bmitch

      I don’t think military weapons should be available to the public

      they AREN’T !!!!!!
      NEXT?

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:53 pm

      I think liability insurance ID should be mandatory. It’s required on a car, house and boats. Why are guns is voting exempt?

      fixed.

    • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 9:59 pm

      bmitch

      I personally could care less. Marriage, civil unions, whatever. I’m not one much for the entire concept, and not much good at it in my own life. I function better living alone.

      No kidding!!
      blow up dolls vacuum boy?

      • neocon01 March 19, 2013 / 11:12 pm

        the Rose?

  13. mitchethekid March 20, 2013 / 9:31 am

    Cluster:
    Here is my take on voter fraud. The only fraud occurring is that it is a problem. Since 2000 and out of hundreds of millions of votes cast, there have been ~ 2000 instances of fraudulent voting.
    Many elderly urban dwellers have no drivers license. They cannot get a birth certificate without a drivers license and they cannot get a drivers license without a birth certificate. Some states wanted elementary school records and others tried to restrict voting hours.
    The point being, if Republicans were so confident that people wanted them in office, they would make it easier to vote, not more difficult. They intentionally tried to make it harder for groups that do not vote for Republicans to vote in order to skew the results. It’s cheating and it’s defrauding the entire process. It makes a mockery of democracy which, IMO, compounds the public’s perception of the right. They should take a lesson from Frank in Scarface. “Friends, friends! I have nothing but friends! Who would want to shoot me?”

    • Cluster March 20, 2013 / 11:04 am

      Mitch,

      First of all, any instance of voter fraud is too many. The talking point that republicans are restricting voting, and making it harder for people to vote is just plain wrong. In fact, Obama won most of the voter ID states, which are few to begin with, so please don’t insult my intelligence my acting like Rachel Maddow.

      The fact is, voting is not a constitutional right, and therefore a privilege that we in the free world have, and if we don’t treat it responsibly, we can easily lose it via corruption. Asking for an ID to assure one legal person, one legal vote is a minimum standard that we should all support.

      • neocon01 March 20, 2013 / 5:45 pm

        dont you need ID to become potus? Well in SOME instances apparently not……

        Joe Arpaio Probe Reveals Findings On Obama’s ‘Fraudulent’ Birth Certificate

        PHOENIX — Investigators for an Arizona sheriff’s volunteer posse have declared that President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is definitely fraudulent.

        Members of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s posse said in March that there was probable cause that Obama’s long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011 was a computer-generated forgery.

        Now, Arpaio says investigators are positive it’s fraudulent.

  14. mitchethekid March 20, 2013 / 1:05 pm

    I agree, but I am not sure about the constitutional aspect, other than originally only white, male property owners could vote.
    I have no problem in showing an ID to vote, but what about absentee ballots? Or mail in ballots as I do in the state I live. My point is not the ID, it’s what certain groups have to go through in order to get one. And waiting in long lines, and having hrs to vote restricted. If the right changed to appeal to a majority, then this wouldn’t be an issue. Problem solved!

    • neocon01 March 20, 2013 / 5:36 pm

      bmitch

      My point is not the ID, it’s what certain groups have to go through in order to get one. And waiting in long lines, and having hrs to vote restricted.

      BULL CRAPOLA…..ANY of those people could have mail in ballots or absentee ballots just another DNC lie to cheat.

      but wait there is more…….distant police sirens and dogs barking OOOOOOOHHHHH the FEAR!!!!

      • neocon01 March 20, 2013 / 5:41 pm

        fo da lo fo’s like bmitch

        But according to Chambers, four states — Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida — should rightfully have gone to Romney, and would have were it not for voter fraud.

        “I’m getting credible information of evidence in those states that there enough numbers that are questionable and could have swung the election,” he said, according to Weigel. “I’m only putting good credible information on there, like the actual vote counts, reports, and mainstream publications reporting voter fraud,” he added.

        http://www.examiner.com/article/site-says-obama-stole-election-through-voter-fraud

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