Sunday Open Thread

There is so much going on that a dedicated thread just seems inadequate. A couple of things on my mind – the other night Bill Maher and Michael Moore claimed that the GOP is committing borderline treason for obstructing Obama’s agenda. Apparently escalating debt, a shrinking work force, and higher taxes are patriotic. Who knew? The major media is back in cover mode for the regime after a brief brush with faux outrage. Chris Matthews and David Corn claimed that the continued investigations just proves that the GOP is pandering to their racist base. But I think the best example of journalism mal practice came from Martin Bashir when he pointed out that the head of the IRS during the time of the unethical inquiries was appointed by Bush – meaning of course that this is again Bush’s fault. To which I will gleefully remind him that the head of the CIA at the time of 9/11 was appointed by Clinton – so 9/11 is Clinton’s fault right?

Discuss these and other topics amongst yourselves – be civil and pithy.

60 thoughts on “Sunday Open Thread

  1. mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 10:14 am

    Yes. 9/11 is Clinton’s fault. Since you watched Bill Maher Friday, isn’t S.E. Cupp a real looker? I think she’s gorgeous. I also liked his Tea Party Tax Form bit. New Rules Rule!
    Happy Sunday. And keep watching MSNBC.

    • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 10:37 am

      MSNBC can be good comic relief. Of course it is also a sad reminder of how low the craft of journalism has sunk, and how mindless so many people are. And yes, SE Cupp is blazing hot.

    • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 11:03 am

      seems you think some at the fork are “HOT” also bomber boy. no surprise where you get your “news” from.

      • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 11:15 am

        DANG……SO close but yet soooo far

        The single winner was sold at a supermarket in Zephyrhills, Fla., according to Florida Lottery executive Cindy O’Connell. She told The Associated Press by telephone that more details would be released later.

      • mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 11:59 am

        Not surprised you are a visitor there. Must be the voyeur in you. It depends on what you find attractive. I find many of those women to be very sexy. MSNBC, as a source of information, is far more credible than the websites you link to. MSNBC is not ashamed of their bias. They are very upfront about it as opposed to Fox which is propaganda masquerading as journalism. They employ extremists as spokespeople. Allen West just got hired. How long until he starts ranting about Communists? Their demographic is people in their mid 60’s and the most vulnerable to exploitation of existential fears. But it doesn’t matter. It’s Sunday and you missed the memo about being civil. You are incapable of being pithy.

      • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 12:03 pm


        They employ ****extremists**** as spokespeople. Allen West just got hired.

        How alinsky of you bomber boy.

      • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 12:07 pm


        Their demographic is people in their mid 60′s and the most vulnerable to exploitation of existential fears.

        Ooh yes the mantra of FEAAAAARRRRRRRR…..cringing in a corner clinging to our bibles and guns….

        only in the mind of a useful idiot drone. ROTFLMAO…..

        Sorry Im taking the Harley, .380, Princess, to the American legion to drink beer, listen to music, right on the water…….some fearrrrr there eh? bomber boy?

      • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 12:13 pm

        the lefts version of humor…..

        Bill Maher Mocks Tea Party Victims With Fake IRS Questions: State

        “How many members of your family have been accidentally shot by other members of your family?”

        throat cancer would be too good for this cretin.

      • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 12:15 pm

        State the ‘Approximate Location of Your Trailer Park’

        hey bill, it AINT in da hood….

      • sarahbloch May 19, 2013 / 2:10 pm

        I don’t know about “hot” Neocon1 but there are some awfully good looking people that work here at the DBDP!

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:31 am

        syrup blatch…..
        yeah ferdy schwartzpurz and the transgendered loons..

  2. Cluster May 19, 2013 / 11:20 am

    Dan Pfeiffer, a presidential spokesman, just admitted on Fox News Sunday that Obama was kept informed on the events of the Benghazi attack from the moment it began. So if in fact that is true, Obama had plenty of time to order the C 130’s in from Tripoli for support. Why didn’t he? Who issued the stand down orders? Why wasn’t he in contact with Clinton?

    At a crucial moment of national security when lives were at risk – Obama failed, and now he, and Clinton, are just trying to cover their ass. Sad.

    • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 11:34 am

      A stand down order on an attack of this magnitude HAS to come from the CIC. No one is mentioning an Admiral refused those stand down orders and was removed of his command in minutes the ONLY person who can fire theater commander is the pResident.

      Benghazi COVERUP: Obama Fired Admiral Who Wanted To Save Benghazi Victims-Plus 3 More Generals FIRED

      • sarahbloch May 19, 2013 / 2:14 pm

        That’s not true Neocon1. Neither you nor I were in Benghazi when the attack took place. One would think since it was 9/11 that more assets would have been available but the duration of the attack was so brief, I am told that by the time the President was notified at Walter Reed that day a little before 1600 it was already over.

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:34 am

        syrup blatch…

        but the duration of the attack was so brief,

        Riiiight Pee wee…..8++++ hours is brief in the La La Land!! of the fork.

        what a tardO

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 8:07 am


        Cluster it’s simply not true that Obama was “AWOL” during the raid.


        1. asleep
        2. las vegas

      • The Return of Rathaven May 20, 2013 / 4:48 pm

        Wait, from what you’re told the State Department and the CIA waited until the attack was “already over” before notifying the president????

        That’s simply bullshit; the attack took place @ 3:40 PM Eastern Time, Woods and Doherty were killed at the compound at 11:15 PM ET!

        How despicable for the president and the Secretary of State to stand by and let Americans serving their country die under vicious attack for strictly partisan political reasons.

        I hope there’s a special place in hell for people like this, and for the people who cover for such cowardice.

  3. mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 12:30 pm

    Why are you taking a gun with you? Why are you even mentioning it? Are you afraid of something or does it make up for something lacking in you? Is this supposed to be machismo or are you playing tough guy with a gun and a Harley? Are you trying to impress someone that you have a gun? Bragging about it shows how weak you are. Oh, BTW look at the umbrella pictures little man. And since you wished cancer on a social satirist, I suggest you stay extra alert in traffic and do wear a helmet, if that’s not to sissified for you.

    • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 1:01 pm


      im a 2nd amendment supporter and take advantage of my right to CCW.if that scares you I suggest you stay in your mamas basement.

      the rest? LAUGHABLE!!

    • neocon01 May 19, 2013 / 1:13 pm


      I WISHED nothing on anybody, I merely stated cancer would be too good for the loud mouth runt.
      Hey nice attempt to defray though….

      now back to OzerO and the murder of our ambassador in bengazi…..your “thoughts” ? impeachment? or prison with holder and OJ?

      • mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 1:38 pm

        Thought you were going to play with your bike and gun.
        My thoughts? Maybe GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld can join the party.
        Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

        Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another nine injured?

        How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

        There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

        Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

        In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

        In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.

        Notice the dates, all before the Obama administration.

        As I said, i don’t need a gun to make me feel more like a man. Better wear that helmet. Wouldn’t want your precious brains splattered all over a highway. Or your gun to fire by accident.

      • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 1:51 pm


        You’re missing the point about Benghazi. It wasn’t the attack, it was the dereliction of duty during the attack and the lying about the attack afterwards.

      • tiredoflibbs May 19, 2013 / 6:56 pm

        Oh mitchie, been listening to your forker pals, again? I’ll ask you what I asked the bubblehead computer majordumb@ss pain:

        Show us where the White House covered up the attack and blame a stupid Youtube video or some other silly nonsense than say what it really is, a terrorist attack (and right before an election no less).

        I am sure I will get silence from you the same I got from the forker echo chamber.

        You fit right in perfectly there and your post above is evidence – regurgitating stupid talking points that compares apples to oranges.

      • rustybrown2012 May 19, 2013 / 9:52 pm

        Cluster says:

        You’re missing the point about Benghazi. It wasn’t the attack, it was the dereliction of duty during the attack and the lying about the attack afterwards.”

        Please. Can you provide the exact minutes of Bush’s activities during each of these attacks? No? Have you parsed every single statement from the White House during and after those attacks? No? Is your inability to do so because you didn’t have a hyper-partisan opposition party drooling over the prospects of a witch hunt? Yes.

        This nation is tired of your petty politics and scandal mongering. The shameful haranguing of Bill Clinton has not been lost on the American people – the countless tax dollars and manpower in pursuit of what turned out to be consensual sex between two adults is a stain on our history; and the blame lies with republicans. Your lack of original ideas and your inability to realize when you’ve overreached is your downfall.

      • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 10:11 pm

        You’re probably right Rusty because the democrats were so civil towards Bush. ??? I remember the snuff film that was made about Bush which probably endeared the average American right Rusty?

        Thanks for the input chief.

      • rustybrown2012 May 19, 2013 / 10:28 pm


        I think your confusing outraged CITIZENS (folks who made the documentary you’re referring to) with ELECTED OFFICIALS (people who were using tax dollars to witch-hunt Clinton). You might try comparing apples to apples, chief.

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      • Cluster May 20, 2013 / 8:22 am

        So now it’s using tax dollars? That’s the new standard? Ok. How about the Plame incident. Even after learning that Armitage was the source of the leak, SP Fitzgerald continued the investigation trying to link someone closer to Bush.

        And it does strike me as odd that you are concerned with judicious use of tax payer money. You do realize that the debt has nearly doubled right?

  4. sarahbloch May 19, 2013 / 2:08 pm

    From the bottom up:

    If the Fort Hood massacre was Obama’s fault then 9/11 was the fault of Bush and his administration. It’s a hollow trap blaming Presidents for events that happen while they are in office. Equally, it’s terrible not to give credit for recovery in the economy while being babies about how long it has taken. Obama was wrong to promise lower unemployment in such a short period of time but I still feel his estimate was sincere and might have been met had he had four years of a Democratic Party controlled Congress.I believe Martin Bashir was right to point out that the IRS commissioner was appointed by Bush and that the people who did the TEA Party “targeting” are federal career employees. No one yet knows what their political leanings are but I am sure they will come out.

    Treason? Obstructionism maybe but that is a longstanding political tactic it has just never risen to the levels it has in America today. No matter who is president in 2017 I believe fully that the swelling tide of partisanship will continue to rise.

    Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

  5. mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 2:13 pm

    No I am not missing the point. I just disagree with you about the dereliction and lying part. I can’t remember exactly where i read this, but something to the effect that when the emails were released the other day by the White House, and given to the Republicans, said emails didn’t jibe with what they wanted them to say. So the Republican’s altered them. Until they were caught. I think that the outrage from the right is opportunistic, selective and phony and has been so since January of 2008. The right isn’t interested in governing. How could they, they hate government Not a day goes by without some wack job trying to impose his morality on the rest of the nation, whether it be social issues or economic and when the facts don’t match the rhetoric, they become even more shrill. The CBO is lying! There are recreational abortions! You know where I’m coming from, I don’t need to elaborate except to add this: (and I copied it, just to be clear and honest)

    “Despite the many attempts by Republicans to generate a scandal, a new CNN/ORC poll found that the president’s approval ratings have increased by two points.

    The latest CNN/ORC poll reveals that President Obama’s approval rating has gone up by two points from 51% in April to 53% today, while his disapproval rating has fallen by two points from 47% to 45%. While 85% of those polled agree that the IRS targeted of political groups is very or somewhat important issue, by a margin of 61%-37% respondents believed that President Obama’s statements on the matter have been completely mostly true. (That 37% number comes up a lot in polling. It represents the higher end of the number of self-identified conservatives/Republicans in the country.) By a margin of 54%-42% respondents think Republicans are reacting appropriately to the matter, but the vast majority (55%-37%) believe that the IRS acted alone without White House orders.

    A majority of those polled were dissatisfied with the way the Obama administration handled Benghazi (53%), but they believe that the administration was passing along the facts as they knew them to be at that time (50%-44%).

    These “scandals” haven’t hurt President Obama at all. The most logical reasons for this are that people aren’t paying attention, and those who are don’t believe the Republicans. President Obama has always been well liked trusted by a majority in this country. For years,Republicans have tried and repeatedly failed to damage the relationship that the president has with a majority of Americans.

    President Obama has been consistently viewed by the majority in this country as honest. This hasn’t stopped Republicans from continuing to damage their own brand by trying to portray the president as dishonest, or covering up something.

    This poll reveals that congressional Republicans are walking a fine line on the IRS scandal. People support them investigating the IRS, but they don’t support turning the investigation into an Obama witch hunt. Since House Republicans excel at self-destruction, they should be expected to try to link Obama to the IRS in their future hearings.

    The scandals appear to be backfiring, and setting a dangerous trap for Republicans. The fundamental political dynamic of President Obama being much more popular than the Republican Party is shaping these numbers. If the unpopular congressional Republicans continue to attack Obama with scandals, they will make the president more popular and drive his poll numbers up.”

    A leason I learned in business many years ago was don’t say “Do business with me because the other guy sucks.” It only makes the customer courious and makes the person saying it look like a resentful fool.

    • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 2:34 pm

      You two are hilarious. Citing approval polls and suspected variances in emails (from HuffPo no less), while completely ignoring the massive elephant in the middle of the room. Susan Rice blamed the attacks on a spontaneous demonstration as a result of a YouTube video on five different Sunday talk shows just days after the attack. The administration at the time knew differently and that fact is undeniable. Moreover, Clinton blamed the YouTube video even days after that and at the funeral of one of the Seals told the father that they would bring the film maker to justice. Again, undeniable fact.

      Obama, was AWOL during the raid and now his spokesperson says that that fact is “largely irrelevant”. Sorry Sara and Mitch, I have too much common sense to buy into your nonsense. Fortunately for you though, much of the population of this country has sh*t for brains, which explains Obama’s reelection and his getting away with lying.

      • sarahbloch May 19, 2013 / 2:38 pm

        In fact Cluster the protest in Cairo earlier in the day was a product of an Islamic cleric on Egyptian television denouncing that film. This report was broadcast over shortwave and on local television in Libya. There were protests of the film in Tripoli but security there was substantially greater there than in Benghazi. In Cairo al Qaeda slogans were painted on the walls of the US Embassy in protests of the film and in Benghazi it went a violent step further.

      • sarahbloch May 19, 2013 / 2:39 pm

        Cluster it’s simply not true that Obama was “AWOL” during the raid. it is known exactly where he was when the raid took place. He was at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

      • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 2:57 pm


        Appreciate the spin, I really do. Your Obama knee pads are firmly in place. The problem is that the second in charge in Benghazi, Hicks, has told everyone what happened and that he told Clinton just hours after the raid began that it was a terrorist attack. Hillary didn’t bother to call him back for two days. Meanwhile we now know that Obama was informed of the raid from the beginning, and despite the fact that there was armed support a short distance away in Tripoli, he chose to not engage. He didn’t call Hillary, he didn’t order in the support, and in fact someone, if not him, told everyone to stand down.

        Now I can’t speak for you, but those actions on behalf of Hilary and Obama are dereliction of duty at the very least, and possibly criminal.

      • mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 4:02 pm

        Oh Cluster. So now you are questioning the credibility of Huff Po? OK, that’s fair I suppose but many people question the credibility of Fox. Or WND. Or The Blaze or any of a myriad of right wing news sources. It doesn’t change the facts and forgive me again, i can’t remember exactly what the circumstances were in regards to Trippoli but there was a report that refutes your contention. Perhaps in an effort to embarrass me you can do some research! I am glad, however, that you are not parsing the words “terrorism” and “act of terror”, the later being clearly what the President said. Much to Romney’s and Fox News’s chagrin. I would like to know something though. Why are you so indignant about this incident but not about other embassy attacks that occurred going all the way back to the Marine barracks in Lebanon under Reagan, or the attacks that occurred under GWB or the invasion of Iraq based on “untruthiness”?
        And why no golf today?

      • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 4:53 pm

        Hanging by the pool today – the course is to crowded on Sundays. And to answer your questions, I was, and am always upset over terrorists attacks on our citizens and properties, the difference is that in previous instances, no one lied about it, and no one gave stand down orders when they had the chance to do something about it.

  6. mitchethekid May 19, 2013 / 5:33 pm

    I am not so sure about the lying. Let me put on my conspiracy theories hat. Perhaps they did and got away with it. With the exception being the former namesake of this temple of worship. After all, we all know that the major justification for the invasion of Iraq was non existent WMD’s. Aluminum tubes from Africa. (Ooooh. Scary Africa which, according to Nanook from the North is a country.) Hanging by the pool huh? We are waiting for tornadoes. If they roar on down the street I will wrap myself in one of your colorful towels! And cower like the puss I am!! With my cats!

    • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 6:49 pm

      I did notice on the weather report that you are in the line of fire – be safe. Re: lies, when you send your surrogate out to say that a YouTube video sparked the riot, and then stand in front of the UN and say the same thing, well then that can be construed as lying. Just saying.

      • Cluster May 19, 2013 / 7:02 pm

        I think Bob Schieffer summed it up nicely:

        SCHIEFFER: But Mr. Pfeiffer, and I don’t mean to be argumentative here, but the President is in charge of the executive branch of the government. It’s my, I’ll just make this as an assertion: when the executive branch does things right, there doesn’t seem to be any hesitancy of the White House to take credit for that. When Osama bin Laden was killed, the President didn’t waste any time getting out there and telling people about it. But with all of these things, when these things happen, you seem to send out officials many times who don’t even seem to know what has happened. And I use as an example of that Susan Rice who had no connection whatsoever to the events that took place in Benghazi, and yet she was sent out, appeared on this broadcast, and other Sunday broadcasts, five days after it happens, and I’m not here to get in an argument with you about who changed which word in the talking points and all that. The bottom line is what she told the American people that day bore no resemblance to what had happened on the ground in an incident where four Americans were killed.

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:20 am

        seems the word went out and the flying monkey show of bmitches forkers has flapped in LOL HILARIOUS!!

    • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:23 am

      And cower like the puss I am!! With my cats!

      if YOU’RE OWN words………BINGO!!! vacuum BOY!!

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:27 am

        if = IN

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 12:47 am

        wow……amnesia or a cave i tora bora??

    • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 8:23 am


      Beat-Up Poet? Punished Over Benghazi Security Failures, Diplomat Fights Back with Scathing Verse

      “the more they talk, / the more they lie, / and the deeper down the hole they go…”


      ‘Arrogance…Abuse of Power…Rotten to the Core’: Paul Ryan Steamed Over IRS, Benghazi

      “People have no trust that their government is being impartial”


      White House: ‘Irrelevant Fact’ Where Obama Was During Benghazi

      “I’m simply asking a question.”

  7. Cluster May 20, 2013 / 8:53 am

    Knowing that liberals like polls, I thought I would share this one:

    A CNN/ORC poll found that 54 percent of Americans don’t believe that Congress is overreacting to the IRS scrutiny of conservative groups, while 42 percent said that it is. By an even larger margin, 59 percent to 37 percent, respondents said that Congress is making the right moves on the administration’s actions regarding the Benghazi terror attack.

    • tiredoflibbs May 20, 2013 / 7:52 pm

      Count, mitchie is just regurgitating what his Forker pals posted some days ago. Mitchie thinks he can think for himself but his recent “informative” (low information is more like it) posts prove otherwise.

      • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 8:50 pm


        the poor “KID” is a drunk, cut him some slack………NOT LOL

  8. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 20, 2013 / 6:06 pm

    I see mitche is his usual lying sack of $hit.

    Using the leftist trick of moral equivalence he cites other “attacks” of proof that Bush was as derelict as Obama. Except that none of his examples show the Bush Administration acting with politically motivated cowardice or depraved disregard for human life as Obama and Clinton did:

    As evidence;

    2002 Karachi, Pakistan consulate-suicide bomb. No sustained attack; US responds within minutes to secure the compound and protect the survivors. Several people arrested.

    U.S., Israeli Embassies Hit In Uzbek Bomb Attacks. “Three nearly simultaneous explosions ripped through the capital of Uzbekistan late Friday afternoon in apparent suicide attacks outside the heavily guarded U.S. and Israeli embassies and the headquarters of the Uzbek chief prosecutor.” “The U.S. Embassy said in a statement that no American personnel or local embassy employees were wounded in the attack, which took place around 5 p.m.”

    US Embassy in Syria – 2006 Just after 10 a.m., gunmen yelling ” Allahu akbar ” — “God is great” — opened fire on the Syrian security officers who guard the outside of the embassy in Damascus’s Rawda district, witnesses said. The attackers threw grenades at the compound, according to witnesses, and shot at the guards with assault rifles during the 15- to 20-minute clash, which left three of the gunmen dead and the fourth reportedly wounded.
    In addition to the slain security officer, another guard was wounded, along with a Chinese diplomat and several civilians, including seven Syrian workers and two Iraqis. No Americans were wounded, the embassy said in a statement.

    US Embassy in Athens 2007- A minor terrorist attack occurred in the early morning of January 12, 2007. No casualties were reported.

    2008 Serbia-on February 22, Witnesses say that at least 100 people broke into the embassy which was closed and burned some of the rooms. No causalities.

    2008 Yemeni Embassy – The attack began at 09:15 a.m. local time (06:15 a.m. UTC) when attackers dressed as policemen, armed with rocket-propelled grenades, automatic rifles, grenades, and car bombs, attacked the outer security ring at the entrance of the main gate from a car. No Americans working at the embassy were injured or harmed during the attack, Susan el-Baneh, a newly married woman from New York, was killed along with her Yemeni husband while waiting outside to fill out paperwork. At least sixteen people, mostly women and children, were treated at two hospitals for injuries.

    In addition, arrests were made, and people prosecuted. The Coward Obama won’t even try to find those responsible for murdering our Ambassador and three other Americans who died in service to our country.

    • neocon01 May 20, 2013 / 8:51 pm

      I see mitche is his usual lying sack of $hit.

      a 5 pound sack of it!

  9. ricorun May 21, 2013 / 7:23 pm

    The devastation wreaked by tornadoes in Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere, within days of each other — possibly with more to come — are a grim reminder that as we load the atmosphere with energy, bad things follow. In addition to the human toll, it costs big money to clean these things up. It is becoming more and more obvious that climate change is real,that it has significant costs, and thus that Investments in preventing GHGs from entering the atmosphere are becoming more and more attractive. And it it becoming more and more stupid — and costly — to ignore the obvious.

    • neocon01 May 21, 2013 / 10:44 pm



      good grief get a grip……storms proceeded man and will follow us.

      • ricorun May 21, 2013 / 11:43 pm

        But loaded dice are man-made, and they will haunt us.

      • neocon01 May 22, 2013 / 7:53 am


        the whole man made AGW has been shown to be a scam and a fraud. If you chose to buy into it feel free to do so, please do not lecture us or expect us to pay for your folly.

        One ten second incident from our sun can change the world atmosphere more than billions of years of humans. The same as one small asteroid hit.
        Enjoy your remaining years you are allowed to walk here and dont let some hoax ruin that time. The earth will self balance.

        remember my simple but factual list things change on earth dramatically WITHOUT mans influence.

        American mid west

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