The View From Here

There has been a lot of discussion lately re: the continued admittance of liberal posters at B4V, the cautioned albeit well intended advice to a friendship based on commonalities other than politics, but those thoughts and discussions are also combined with an increasing obsession to personally belittle others from both sides. I must admit that early on in my B4V presence beginning in 2006, I did enjoy attacking liberals, and still do post some sarcastic remarks, but the personal attacks have certainly escalated over the last few years, and that is just not healthy for anyone, particularly the one leveling the attack. Personally, I had to reflect on that – do I really harbor such disdain in my heart for someone I don’t personally know? I will admit that when I read a post from majordomo that begins “We, Ourselves”, I still have to hold back from launching into a sarcastic tirade, but on the occasion I have, I realize that that tirade only affects me, and me alone. It tends to discombobulate my attitude and my day, and quite frankly majordomo isn’t worth it. So I decided a while back that I just wasn’t going to engage in the swamp anymore. That I would simply voice my opinion, which I enjoy doing, and would only respond in kind to those liberal posters that I deemed worthy of a response. Everything else I would just ignore, and I must say, that my blood pressure is down – LOL.

As some of you know, my daughter is a liberal and voted for Obama in the last two elections. In 2008, she and I were at odds, and the dialogue was heated on occasion, but being that she is my daughter, I made a point to converse on a range of topics outside of politics and when the conversation did circle back around to politics, I was tempered as was she. Consequently, we have had some very good conversations. A while back I sent Mitch a personal email at his request, and in the beginning we did battle each other on political issues, which of course we were at odds over, but slowly the conversation turned to other issues and common ground was struck. In my opinion, life is simply too short to personally attack each other on line. This doesn’t mean that I have stopped contributing, campaigning, writing on, and voting for the demise of liberalism, as that is a passion of mine that will not abate anytime soon, but I also realize that at my age, heated rhetoric is something I choose to largely ignore and wish everyone on this blog, conservatives and liberals, would also adhere to. Simply voice your opinion on the issue du jour, or comment on your over arching ideology, be prepared to defend it civilly, and don’t be offended by those who try to drag you down into the swamp. I also ask of Matt and Mark to delete posts that do insult and harangue, and if it doesn’t stop, to ban the commentator, and that includes me. I would like to see a new direction at B4V, one that actually provokes thought, converses on a range of topics, and one that welcomes civil and insightful input from a diverse group. What do you think the chances of that are?

In keeping with the spirit of the blog, my issue du jour is – The Fifth! Hard to believe that Lois Lerner plead the Fifth. I think it does more harm to the regime than good. It just reeks of malicious intent. Furthermore, why is Sarah Hall Ingram not testifying? And why is she being promoted to oversee the ACA enforcement? This whole IRS scandal doesn’t pass the smell test.

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73 thoughts on “The View From Here

  1. neocon01 May 22, 2013 / 5:27 pm

    What do you think the chances of that are?

    zerO as long as there are leftist agent provocateurs intent on doing nothing but harassing conservative sites.

    Most sites recognize who and what they are, and as they (trolls) get comfortable and the fake veneer slips off they (sites) dispatch them quickly and permanently.

    ————————————————————————————————————
    Isa let her off the hook, he should have taken hours to read every question loudly and precisely and made her take the fifth on every one.
    again the GOP out maneuvered by the rats.

    PS
    you cant give a speech about your innocence, then plead the fifth to everything else…..you either plead to all or none she violated this with her opening line of BS!

    • neocon01 May 22, 2013 / 6:10 pm

      Issa must have heard me….LOL

      Drudge

      ISSA TO HAUL LERNER BACK BEFORE COMMITTEE…

      ‘Waived her fifth amendment rights’ by giving opening statement…

  2. 02casper May 22, 2013 / 8:26 pm

    Congratulations on at least trying to keep things civil. Things have gotten especially toxic here of late from both sides. I’ve always felt that we all have much more in common with each other than we want to admit. For instance, my daughter is also a liberal. My brother-in-law however, is as conservative as anyone on this block. And as I’ve stated many times before most of my friends are also fairly conservative.

  3. Retired Spook May 22, 2013 / 10:58 pm

    I’ve been thinking about this subject long and hard over the last week or so. After numerous off-blog emails and much soul searching, I’ve come to the conclusion that I no longer wish to have a conversation with those who don’t just disagree with me (I served over 2 decades to protect the right of people to disagree with me), but who actively or passively, wittingly or unwittingly support forces of evil that wish to transform the greatest country on the planet into something that, in a few short years has become nearly unrecognizable — and I believe they’re only just getting started. For the nine years that I’ve been a regular on this blog, I’ve tried repeatedly to get such people to explain to me why their vision for the future is better. I’ve been called all sorts of horrid names, had my integrity and my intelligence impugned, and, quite frankly, I’ve had enough. My sole goal for the foreseeable future will be to see that people like Casper, Mitche, Watson, Rusty and James are relegated to the dustbin of history once and for all, either at the ballot box or by whatever means necessary. In the meantime, you can all go XXXX yourselves!

    tsk tsk //Moderator

    • M. Noonan May 22, 2013 / 11:07 pm

      Spook,

      It is, indeed, frustrating – and I’ve just about had it, too. As I’ve said, I’ve got a couple liberal cyber-friends and they are worth talking to. I’ve also got liberal friends and family members, also worth talking to. But here on the ‘net, the common run of liberals is just mean spirited defense of Obama and attacks on conservatives/libertarians. We will fight them and we will beat them – but I don’t see much worth in trying to talk to them, any longer.

      We’ll see what eventuates – if any offer civil, reasoned discourse, we can respond, if we like. But for the most part, my thrust of discussion will be on exposing the left and working ways and means of consigning them to the dust heap of history.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 8:20 am

        Mark

        we Christians are warned in the bible do not be unevenly yolked with un believers, Light and Darkness have nothing in common which is evidenced here daily.

        There is no common ground,( spiritually or patriotically ) with radical leftists who scream for the murder of our next generation, who foist homosexuality upon our young with the lie it is normal and healthy.
        That stealing OUR hard earned gains and giving it to someone who will in turn sit on a porch and use it for cigarettes, beer, sex and drugs while our family scrapes by because OUR MONEY was confiscated at the point of a gun is somehow compassionate.
        Then if we complain, the very government that steals from us sets the dogs from hell the IRS against us and fellow (leftist) citizens cheer them on.

        When are we going to wake up and realize the left has become our enemy and will do everything in their power up to and including murder us to “win”
        Im not talking about Clusters daughter, or our donk drinking buds, or your e mail buds as being such, but they certainty are enablers of those who would.

        Luke 12:51
        I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose you that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, No; but rather division:

        WHY??

        Matthew 3:12
        He is ready to separate the chaff from the wheat with his winnowing fork. Then he will clean up the threshing area, gathering the wheat into his barn but burning the chaff with never-ending fire.”

    • 02casper May 22, 2013 / 11:28 pm

      Spook,
      I’m truly sorry to hear that. I’ve also been called all sorts of horrid names, had my integrity and my intelligence impugned. In spite of that I still believe that most of the people that post here are decent people.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 7:58 am

        casp

        I’ve also been called all sorts of horrid names,

        Waa Waa Waa…….join the club.

        I agree with spook in lumping you in with the rest of the enemies of the constitution, civility, humanity, and conservatism.
        Go hang with the OWS loons they are right up your alley.

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:03 pm

        Of course casper would like his lies to just sit there, unchallenged, and his dishonesty to be overlooked, in the name of “civility”. But I contend that lying is in itself uncivil, and once the liar has made the decision to lie he has made a de facto contemporaneous decision to accept the consequences of lying.

        I call you a weasel, casper, because you lie and then you claim you are not lying and then you try to alter your lie and in general you squirm around trying to weasel out of the consequences of your lie.

        In the real world, it is OK to call someone like that a weasel, just as it is OK to call a liar a liar and the owner of stupid comments stupid. Unlike school, we do keep score, and the responsibility is not on the people who see the lies for what they are, it is on the purveyor of the lies to be honest in the first place.

  4. neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 7:53 am

    crusty

    “that the inhospitable tone is set by “resident” conservatives like – tired, ama and neo.”

    Nice try but NO cigar……….Im with Spook on this one = GFY.

    There are those of us who spent eight years reading vile vulgarity, poison, rot, and vitriol on a daily basis when W was in the big seat. Trolls swarmed and overwhelmed the site with unrelenting screed, name calling, demeaning not only conservatism but conservatives personally.

    Several of us said enough is enough, we either were to be run off and silenced, or stay and fight back. we chose to fight fire with fire.
    Predictably you cretins didnt like taking your own medicine and are now whining that you – the TROLLS may get the boot………..GOOD the sooner the better!!!
    Let me be the first to say AMF !!! to all of you.

    PS
    I am a former US Marine, A Viet Nam vet.
    Like Spook and many other fine posters here who also fought for freedom of speech, how ever NO man spit in my face in an airport or called me a baby killer, if they had they would not have made it home to mamas basement that night in one piece.
    What goes on here by the trolls is nothing less than a lugie spit in the face of Christianity, patriotism, civility, humanity, conservatism and I for one still have no suffering for fools, traitors, leftists, islamists or any of their apologists and MORONS in general.

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

    • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:14 pm

      Am I “inhospitable” to slime such as rusty?

      You’re damned right I am, and not the least bit apologetic about it.

      His post is not here—did he really have the gall to whimper that someone on a conservative political blog is “INHOSPITABLE” to someone whose only goal is to intrude, attack his own bizarre cartoonish concept of “conservatives”, attack religion, and attack those who believe in God and the Constitution and any other thing the radical Left finds offensive or threatening?

      Seriously? That’s like a shoplifter sniveling that a shop owner was “inhospitable” for objecting to having his stock raided.

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:23 pm

        Let me make this very clear.

        I am offended by, and disgusted by, people who come here not to discuss different points of view but to derail, disrupt and generally vandalize this blog. I feel absolutely no obligation to be “hospitable” to them.

        On the contrary, when they start to spout their vitriol, their visceral hatred of people they have never met just because of some internal, invented, cartoonish definition of a political ideology, my only response is to feel contempt and disdain.

        Each and every one of them has searched the internet for a site clearly identified as a site of conservative political ideals, which is what they are looking for, because they have so much irrational hatred and resentment and viciousness percolating through them they need to express it, to attack those they have convinced themselves deserve to be attacked.

        They are the American political version of jihadists, so smug in their assumed political superiority that they believe anyone who does not agree with them deserves to be destroyed. So they prowl the net looking for targets.

        And then they have the utter gall to complain that they are not welcomed by those they have sought out to attack, demean, and hopefully destroy?

        I do not seek them out to attack them, but when they come here they have to do so knowing they are intruders, and when they start to attack us on our own ground they have to do so knowing they will be attacked in return. So the sniveling, whimpering, victimhood posturing of these wannabe blog vandals is nothing more than another example of their dishonesty.

        And I am baffled by those who seem to think there is something wrong with identifying them for what they are and closing the door to them.

      • Cluster May 23, 2013 / 1:06 pm

        That’s an excellent definition of our resident liberals that was on point and void of any personal attack, and one of which I would like to see some liberal rebut.

        So here is a challenge to any liberal up for it – prove Amazona wrong. Why do you seek out a conservative blog site? Is it to argue and convince us of the wisdom of liberalism, or is simply to be a contrarian and disrupt civil discourse? Make your case.

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 2:06 pm

        So here is a challenge to any liberal up for it – prove Amazona wrong. Why do you seek out a conservative blog site? Is it to argue and convince us of the wisdom of liberalism, or is simply to be a contrarian and disrupt civil discourse? Make your case.

        We should start a poll to guess how long it will take for one of our liberals to accept the challenge. I will say, when hell freezes over.

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 2:09 pm

        BTW, at least a couple, James, I think and one other, have admitted to just coming here to jerk conservatives chains, and, in the end, I think that’s about the best we can hope for from them.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:10 pm

        JR

        frozen solid twice since the bet…. LOL

      • mitchethekid May 23, 2013 / 3:12 pm

        Well, I’m up for it. But it will be her word against mine. Her presumptuousness vs my honesty and integrity. I never sought out this blog or any other for that matter. I linked to this blog when it first got started by reading an on-line article about either the Iraq War or GWB. I can’t remember exactly, it was a long time ago. What I do remember was the unbelievable bias and the wholesale banning of anyone who didn’t agree with the (IMO) outrageous defense of the invasion and the inclusion of religious justifications. I have lost track of how many times, because was incensed about the war and expressed my feelings about, I was banned. I had many email addresses just to get around it until WordPress came around and people are tracked via their ISP address. In the beginning, when this blog was Blogs for Bush, it had a rather impressive number of posters. Now, 9 or 10 yrs later it has what? 10, 12, 15? This number has been consistent for ( and I’m guessing here) 75 – 80% of it’s on line life. That alone makes an obvious statement.
        Before I continue to elaborate, I want to insure the moderator(s) that the rest of my response has no element of mean spiritedness. I am merely continuing the challenge by addressing it.
        I think, that by Amazona saying the following:

        “Each and every one of them has searched the internet for a site clearly identified as a site of conservative political ideals, which is what they are looking for, because they have so much irrational hatred and resentment and viciousness percolating through them they need to express it, to attack those they have convinced themselves deserve to be attacked.”

        is a window into what psychologists call projection, denial and narcissism. The abject presumptuousness (and I hate to use the same word twice) of this paragraph shows a person so cloistered, so tightly wrapped as to explode at even the most microscopic hint of exposure. The leaks in the logic can’t be stopped fast enough, so words such as invented, cartoonish, percolating,smug, assumed, prowl, sniveling, whimper and vandal are employed as both a diversionary tactic and as a crudgel. My opinion, is that it is more an accurate description of Amazona, as opposed to someone like me. A nebulous “other”.

        Let me address another point she made and has continued to make throughout the years. The notion that this blog is for a discussion of conservative political ideals. In all sincerity, I want to know what is political about a comparative study of the Constitution as an absolute source for the imposition of personal morality. Amazona is always going on and on about the Constitution and yet uses it to interject her opinions about abortion and religion and topics of a scientific nature.
        The word God does not appear once in the constitution. There is a separation of church and state and if one is honest, this was not a country who’s government was constitutionally founded upon the religious fervor of either the Catholic Church nor Christianity. To claim so is a ruse. It is a cliche, but one of America’s strengths is the diversity. For others to disparage the great European migration that began int the early 20th century, and to remain silent about it’s impact on America’s greatness, is a singular under-mining of the entire Raison d’être of this blogs support of traditional American values.
        The founding Fathers, although they respected the rights of other religionists, held to deism and Freemasonry tenets rather than to Christianity. Have others both currently and in our past acted as if this was not the case? Yes. But their behavior does not make it so. Are social issues important? Gay marriage, abortion, yes they are and many people take them as tantamount precepts but the imposition of which on others is anathema to those who don’t see a fully formed infant in a pin head size of cells. And to question their humanity as a result and to suggest murderous impulses is neither conservative nor libertarian.
        She endorses as a myth scientific evidence on issues sensitive to her and passively aggressively remains silent when Neo chimes in with his decidedly prejudicial comments about the citizenship of the President, his economic philosophy, his sexuality, his in the past pot smoking (who hasn’t or who doesn’t? Heck, medical marijuana is legal in many states and would solve allot of the deficit issues if it were legalized) and by omission agrees with a person who; if anyone is a cartoon, it is him. But this is what passes for conservatives on this blog. This is what, an example of an unemotional, unbiased discussion of the intent of the authors of the constitution were supposed to be concerned about?
        I think not and if the moderators have reached a point of no return with the likes me me then so be it.
        This is only a hobby for me. I have many forms of entertainment.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 3:28 pm

        Kid

        Well, I’m up for it. But it will be her word against mine. *******Her presumptuousness vs my honesty and integrity*******

        FIRST damn sentence…. ROTFLMAO!!!

        “LIBERALISM is a MENTAL DISORDER” Dr S. Savage

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 8:50 pm

        In other words, my observational skills matched against his delusions of adequacy as well as integrity.

        I think we could match a fruit fly against mitche’s honesty and integrity and win if we bet on the fly.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 11:27 pm

        LOL…yup

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:13 pm

        KID

        .This is only a hobby for me. I have many forms of entertainment.

        like lurking and posting at the pitchfork?

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 8:47 pm

        So many words. So very very many words.

        And yet not a single one explains how you, mitche, happened to find this blog and decided to impose yourself upon it, without having searched the internet for a blog with a conservative bent and then having decided to barge in an attack what you think are conservative ideas and values.

        You misapplied some psychological terminology in one of your futile efforts to appear intelligent and educated, and then you scurried off into some incoherent ramble about religion and the Constitution, blah blah blah blah blah.

        While you expend a lot of verbiage to try to contradict what I said, you ended up proving my point.

        Again.

      • dbschmidt May 24, 2013 / 12:02 am

        Well Mitch, I guess I am up to it also. I am not defending Amazona, per se, but my ideals.

        Starting with “Her [Ama] presumptuousness vs my honesty and integrity” which goes back to a discussion about respect–honesty and integrity, like respect, is earned and on that matter you have none unlike Ama.

        Next is “…wholesale banning of anyone who didn’t agree with the (IMO) outrageous defense of the invasion and the inclusion of religious justifications.” which needs to either be proven with factual references or discard in the trashbin of your imagination.

        Next of course (leaving a great out because of length issues) is “Amazona is always going on and on about the Constitution and yet uses it to interject her opinions about abortion and religion and topics of a scientific nature. The word God does not appear once in the constitution. There is a separation of church and state and if one is honest, this was not a country who’s government was constitutionally founded upon the religious fervor of either the Catholic Church nor Christianity” which is utterly false unless you believe “Creator” and “God” are two different entities and little grey space folks did the big nasty to create Earth. You can believe, or not, in the Creator and I really do not care, but it well documented that this nation was founded on the Judeo-Christian philosophy and the rule of law. BTW, the Creator granted us unalienable rights which have nothing to do with little grey folks.

        Let me continue with the “separation of church and State” which does not appear anywhere in the Constitution but is based on a letter to the Danbury BAPTIST church which asked (soon to be President) Jefferson if they had to fear the STATE AUTHORIZED government religion from stopping them from practicing their religion. It had nothing to do with separation but rather the 1st amendment which states “freedom of religion” and not “freedom FROM religion.” As far as the founders of this country, IIRC, only two were deists and most followed a version of Christianity; however, I would need to verify this before I would fully comment. After all, IIRC, 9 of the 13 original colonies had a State religion.

        For the intelligent, honesty and profound integrity of claim—you should really look into your small view and a very limited scope of knowledge before you expound on matters you wish matched your beliefs rather than the actual facts.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 3:57 pm
      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:06 pm

        Moderator

        IF you choose to delete my post and leave my name up please have the courtesy to explain my deleted post was an answer to someone who has threatened to shoot two different posters in the head..

        Thank you.

        James601 will be permanently banned so any reference to his existence will be deleted as well. On a thread pleading for civility, James failed the test.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:11 pm

        OK

        thanks…… 🙂

      • percybeezer May 23, 2013 / 5:02 pm

        Doesn’t that apply to rusty`s name calling and complete lack of respect to another poster as well?

        Don’t worry about it, Percy. Rusty is also persona non grata, on the general grounds of being annoying, rude and irrelevant. // Moderator

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 5:08 pm

        Percy

        lets not forget the biggest daddy Troll, mitch the KID!!

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 6:56 pm

        No

        he was just proving his point!

      • percybeezer May 23, 2013 / 7:22 pm

        If it wasn’t meant as an insult, why did you use it? There’s no one here named Poindexter.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:08 pm

        cluster

        their “case” was made LOUD and CLEAR with death threats which have been deleted.

  5. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 8:29 am

    I haven’t been here nearly as long as many of you, but my observation has been that, in general, the liberals who comment here don’t come here to join and contribute to the conversation — they come here to disrupt the conversation and defend the indefensible. Most often civility has little to do with it. Trust me — I surfed a lot of blogs before I found this one, and, compared to many, this blog is quite civil most of the time. In my view, civility has little to do with the conversation at hand. America is at a crucial turning point, and we are either going to remain a constitutional representative republic governed by the rule of law, or we are going to be transformed into a European style social democracy. I don’t view those who wish to see the latter as “decent people”. And it doesn’t matter if they’re just dupes who see everything in terms of fairness and don’t understand the ramifications of such a transformation for future generations, or it they’re at the forefront of the transformation, driven by the desire for political power — they are going to take this country down that road over my dead body.

    What goes on here by the trolls is nothing less than a lugie spit in the face of Christianity, patriotism, civility, humanity, conservatism and I for one still have no suffering for fools, traitors, leftists, islamists or any of their apologists and MORONS in general.

    Amen!

    • Cluster May 23, 2013 / 8:49 am

      That’s an interesting perspective about other blogs. I will say that remaining civil doesn’t mean giving up the fight or referring to your counter part as my “esteemed colleague”, which makes me nauseous every time I hear John McCain utter those words. It simply means arguing your position with facts and intelligence and not devolving into personal insults and play ground tactics.

      Liberalism is imploding all around us, so now is the time to apply the accelerator and argue from an informed and intelligent position and dismiss those liberals who are incapable of intelligently defending their position. The chaff will be separated from the wheat in due time.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 9:09 am

        cluster

        so now is the time to apply the accelerator and argue from an informed and intelligent position

        there is no arguing, debating, justifying with blog trolls. Save that for one on one’s with your daughter or her likes, or my sister etc.

        I believe the Jews tried that approach with a small but crazy group in pre nazi Germany, and Russia.
        We know how that worked out and as everybody knows history repeats it’s self.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 9:19 am

        Liberalism is imploding all around us,

        only when we go toe to toe with them like Wisconsin,
        Other wise II see our second amendment smashed on the rocks, freedom of speech smashed on the rocks, tax reform smashed on the rocks, 200+ years of moral values smashed on the rocks, any disagreement against the left smashed on the rocks,
        When the TEA party yesterday protested the IRS the streets were LINED with our new NATIONAL POLICE FORCE the DHS…our freedoms smashed on the rocks, which were absent during the OWS ..

        Sorry I dont see what you see…..

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/21/why-were-dhs-agents-seemingly-monitoring-multiple-tea-party-irs-protests-across-the-country-on-tuesday/

  6. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 8:37 am

    Spook, I’m truly sorry to hear that. I’ve also been called all sorts of horrid names, had my integrity and my intelligence impugned.

    Casper, the worst thing I’ve seen you called is a weasel, and all one has to do is read your posts to see that that is a pretty accurate description. I’ve not seen your integrity called into question, but you are one of the most intellectually dishonest posters here, and that’s just an undeniable fact. You remind me of Alan Colmes.

    • Cluster May 23, 2013 / 8:49 am

      Casper is the king of moral relativism.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 9:04 am

        moral relativism?

        This better defines him….

        Hypocrite –
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite‎
        a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. 2. : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. —

        in other words a wolf in sheeps clothing….the most dangerous for the flock.

  7. J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 10:57 am

    one that actually provokes thought, converses on a range of topics, and one that welcomes civil and insightful input from a diverse group.

    Cluster,

    That’s a nice, touchy-feelie attitude. I’d be interested in hearing from any of the liberals who comment here as to whether or not it’s something that appeals to them. I have seen few attempts from any of the liberals to offer insightful input on any thread topic,

    • Cluster May 23, 2013 / 11:35 am

      JR, we can have plenty of disagreement, civil discourse and debate within our own ranks – I am not speaking of just liberals. In fact, most the time, the debate is much more robust without them

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:30 pm

        “… most of the time…?

        Really? Only “most of the time”?

        We seem to be reading different blogs.

        You are really bending over backward to give the Lib trolls the benefit of a doubt that does not exist

        Instead of watering down this blog to make it as inclusive and tolerant and diversified as you seem to want it to be, perhaps it would be a better solution to make this blog a source of libertarian and conservative discourse and find a more broad-spectrum site on which to enjoy the “spice” of Liberal invective.

      • Cluster May 23, 2013 / 1:11 pm

        Yes – most of the time. Recently Sara made the case that the Benghazi scandal is not a scandal, and that Obama’s and Hillary’s actions were completely acceptable in her opinion. She made the case void of any personal attack or obscenity. It is a position that I disagree with obviously, but it was still a valid opinion from someone on the left.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 3:17 pm
    • James0601 May 23, 2013 / 12:01 pm

      jr,

      you see few attempts because people like Neo and Tired infest this blog with nonsense on a daily basis.

      how can you debate something with someone who thinks the president isn’t even legit or is muslim or other nonsense?

      Please tell us how we can debate with someone like him?

      Neo is perhaps the worst offender of all you say you hate in liberals…and yet, you don’t say a word or delete any of his posts when he breaches protocol.

      • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:10 pm

        This from someone who has been repeatedly banned under different names for posting the most vile, profane and disgusting attacks on a variety of targets, including the United States of America.

        And he dares to use the word “infest” about anyone else?

        Orwell is basking in the delayed appreciation of his insight and skills of prophecy.

      • tiredoflibbs May 23, 2013 / 12:28 pm

        wow, “james”, I can’t speak for neo, but it is not surprising that you would consider what I do here “infesting” and posting “nonsense”.

        First and foremost, I defend the Constitution, as written and amended and don’t believe this “living document nonsense”. This get the proggies irate.

        Secondly, I take the leftist talking points from the Bush years, the wild accusations and the political BS and reverse it to use on obama and his diehard followers when it directly applies to them. So, I am accurately using YOUR party’s words against you and them to show the blatant hypocrisy and exposing lies. This especially irks you and your ilk and results in predictable attacks and name calling.

        Insults and name calling in “liberals” (a poorly used description if the actual meaning of classic liberal is applied) would not be so bad if they were interested in debate. Passions tend to introduce these activities. But there are several here that are not interested in debate (or can’t once their talking points run out) they just want to be disruptive and their posts deteriorate to that level faster and faster. Their is no place for them here and they whine and blame on what they believe is exposing or posting the “truth” as they were misled to believe.

      • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 23, 2013 / 12:38 pm

        Neo is perhaps the worst offender of all you say you hate in liberals…and yet, you don’t say a word or delete any of his posts when he breaches protocol.

        James, first of all, I’m not a moderator, so I couldn’t delete Neocon’s comments if I wanted to. Second, I would trust Neocon with my life — I wouldn’t trust you with cleaning my toilet.

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 3:41 pm

        see post right above for answer ^

        neocon01 May 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 3:46 pm
      • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:03 pm

        jimmah

        like your threats to shoot two different posters??

    • Amazona May 23, 2013 / 12:07 pm

      J.R. say it ain’t so! Tell me you are not falling into Libspeak, and saying “few attempts” when the truth is “NO attempts”.

      The trolls offer reams of what they probably consider “insightful input” into all sorts of things, such as AGW and evolution and the evils of religion. This is what passes for political commentary on the Left.

      Real political discourse? Not here, anyway.
      Objective evaluation of things like overreaching government power and authority? Nope—just defenses of this administration and reminders that “Bush did it” (whatever the “it” of the day is).

  8. Amazona May 23, 2013 / 11:55 am

    How about trying a period of, say two or three months without allowing any of the Libs to post anything at all, to see what the blog looks like then?

    I not only fail to understand but strongly disagree with the idea that the owners of this blog have the slightest obligation to make it available for use as Lefty troll litter box. This approach does remind me of John McCain, trying to make nice with people who are going to use your wishy-washiness and stab you in the back.

    You state a very high-minded ideal, but the harsh reality is that when someone is faced with the choice of either stepping around huge steaming piles or stopping to clean them up, the flow of reasonable discourse is interrupted—which is, of course, the intent of the depositors of the huge steaming piles.

    And when they are allowed to be deposited, and then just sit there, they stink up the whole place.

    • mitchethekid May 23, 2013 / 1:10 pm

      It will be a hermetic echo chamber. Neo will still question the citizenship of the president, claim he is a gay Muslim obsessed with destroying America. The main difference is there won’t be anyone outside the bubble to associate with the odor of an animal.
      As I said yesterday, instead of isolating your opinions about the world from it, make this a pay to post site. You all are free market capitalists, exercise it. Clearly define a topic of discussion, but instead of stating a conclusion before a cause, or stating opinions about an issue as if they are fact, try a different approach. For example, you could say “I think xxx and here’s why”, instead of saying “xxx just proves what I already believe” and then defensively dismiss out of hand any counter evidence by questioning someones intelligence. Don’t make statements about issues as if they are foregone conclusions with no factual substantiation, bereft of belittling others who think differently. Like indicting someones entire being because of punctuation errors as an attempt to undermine the substance of their points of view. Many people write like they speak, full of pauses, changes in voice inflection and emphasis.
      Or even better, allow the members to post their own topics. There are very few blogs that I follow, but of those that I do, I can’t think of a one (other than B4V) that is as heavily moderated with such an extreme demand for uniformity. There exists a glaring lack of tolerance which, when someone gives back what they get, shouldn’t be a surprise or offer proof that what you’ve already decided about someone is true. In a word, it’s fear. It is not a sign of weakness to change your mind about people and issues. It is a sign of character. But if you insist on fulfilling preconceived notions and stereotypes, then don’t engage someone like me. All you will be left with is yourselves and that can get pretty boring.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 23, 2013 / 1:39 pm

        ”Like indicting someones entire being because of punctuation errors as an attempt to undermine the substance of their points of view. Many people write like they speak, full of pauses, changes in voice inflection and emphasis.”

        Regarding punctuation should read;

        As indicting someone’s entire being because of punctuation errors in an attempt to undermine the substance of their point of view. Many people write as they speak; full of pauses and changes in voice inflection and emphasis.

        Regarding syntax should read;

        As to liable the entirety of someone’s worth or presence on the basis of errors in punctuation attempting to weaken the argument. A number of persons write as they speak; which might nbe grammatically incorrect.

        Note; A written challenge is not an indictment as indict is an active accusation or prosecution, not, as you implied a validation of intent. As well, one cannot write “full of pauses” or change inflection or emphasis as these are strictly speaking verbal.

      • rustybrown2012 May 23, 2013 / 2:50 pm

        Count,

        There are these things called colons; you should learn about them and stop misusing semicolons.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 23, 2013 / 3:15 pm

        A colon is used to introduce a list, a semicolon is used to indicate that which follows refers to that which preceded.

        i passes CBEST, did you?

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 23, 2013 / 4:31 pm

        The correct pejorative, if that is your intent is not “poindexter” it’s “schoolteacher”, also, as a surname and a proper noun Poindexter would be capitalized.

        At this point I have to wonder why you have chosen to ignore all admonishments that incivility for the sake of itself is no longer to be tolerated at this site. As one who simply stated points of fact speaking as a credentialed post-secondary education public school teacher and author of four books, I find your demeaning counter post to be offensive, insulting, condesennding and other than an attempt to sound much wiser than you obviously are, wholly without merit.

        It is clear that you have no intention of abiding by any rules much less the implied contract of civility which Cluster has intoned.

        I’ll not respond or enjoin you again, and ask that the moderators delete or ban you from further conversation.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 23, 2013 / 5:16 pm

        The phrase as well does not appear in the syntax revision sentence and it is common although not correct to place a comma before the word and unless it is to separate items in a list, or differentiate sets within a list; peas and carrots, and pork and beans.

        If you would like assistance in proper diction and construction of the English language, may I suggest you search out an adult education course in your area. Many cater to those with limited educational backgrounds so you needn’t be embarrassed.

      • tiredoflibbs May 23, 2013 / 5:23 pm

        mitchie: “It will be a hermetic echo chamber.”

        And yet, you take solace at the Pitchfork, where members (i know you don’t like this word) regurgitate the same anti-religious (except Islam), racist and anti-conservative crap day in and day out. There are only a handful of posts at that blog, 90% are of themselves (collective not withstanding).

      • tiredoflibbs May 23, 2013 / 5:33 pm

        crusty: “Count, There are these things called colons; you should learn about them and stop misusing semicolons.”

        And think just yesterday crusty berated Amazona for correcting his grammatical errors:

        “Meanwhile, well-adjusted adults understand that such a minor error in a blog forum is inconsequential and certainly undeserving of a post calling attention to it. ”

        Again crusty by your own standards, you are not a “well-adjusted adult”.

        His response to Count starts off:

        “Think again, poindexter.”

        Then plays the victim when his posts are deleted. All the while trying to convince himself, the post is deleted because he proved something correct and somehow the blog did not like it rather than him being a complete ass.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) May 23, 2013 / 7:46 pm

        Tired,
        Don’t bother with rusty, he has repeatedly demonstrated that he no desire to discuss or debate on this blog. He is the very embodiment of the Troll we’ve been discussing off-line, distract, distort, fixate, lie, berate, belittle and then feign outrage at being called-out. The mere fact that he admits here that “poindexter” was meant as a pejorative, and below that there was no malevolence it is evidence that he will soon self deport.

        I won’t answer in kind, as I take our charge to elevate the conversation seriously; as I’ve pointed out many times, those as rusty are simply incapable of civility, discourse, critical-thinking, common decency, philanthropy, humility or reason. Rusty is a particularly vile example of the trolls of which we wish to rid ourselves.

        It’s a matter of time.

      • tiredoflibbs May 25, 2013 / 7:54 am

        “Mitch has never posted anything at TDBDP.”

        “.this blog was very heavily censored if there was any deviation from agreement on that topic at the time and of course many others including religion.”

        mojordumb@ss pain, I can confidently and truthfully say that you are a LIAR!

        mitche has posted at the pitchfork.

        It was also after you and your mindless cronies came to this blog that the need for “censoring” (it is really removing proven lies and relentless attacks on race and religion, which is respectfully not tolerated here) as you call it was necessary. There was nothing that you could respond to without interjecting lies about race or attacking ones religion (all except islam of course).

        You are a confirmed LIAR.

  9. watsonthethird May 23, 2013 / 4:10 pm

    Amazona said:

    I not only fail to understand but strongly disagree with the idea that the owners of this blog have the slightest obligation to make it available for use as Lefty troll litter box.

    Correct. This blog has absolutely no obligation to any commenters and can choose to moderate comments in any fashion, including turning off comments completely if the owners wish. It’s a private blog; the owners can do with it as they please.

    As for why I read this blog, and occasionally participate, I’ve explained that before, but the explanation was met with ridicule. I personally think this blog is not very interesting when all of the posts and comments are from four or five like-minded people. Those comment threads tend to die rather quickly. Maybe that’s what you all seek. Far more interesting are the threads that included different points of view.

    If I was the moderator, I would delete every post that used a poster’s incorrect name (because invariably it is a form of ridicule) and I would block every post by neocon1 because he truly does drag this place into the gutter. I’ve Googled some of the things he copies and pastes here, and it is clear from the search results that they often come from sources you probably really don’t want to be associated with. Just those two things would clean this place up immensely.

    As a Moderator I can see your e-mail address, which you have created and which you use every time you post here, and which is an insulting phrase about one of our conservative posters. So we Moderators have a higher degree of appreciation for your hypocrisy than those who cannot see how you have chosen to identify yourself here. Fortunately you have no standing here and no one cares if you are interested or if you approve. //Moderator

    • neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 4:29 pm

      waspsting

      I’ve Googled some of the things he copies and pastes here, and it is clear from the search results that they often come from sources you probably really don’t want to be associated with. Just those two things would clean this place up immensely.

      To begin with your assessment of my posting is a LIE,
      99% of the time I provide a link, if none is available it is a repeat of an article someone else posted on another site with no link reference which I place quotation marks and italics.

      IE the blaze, Free Republic, breitbart to name a few. However you feel to post from vile leftist sites like the KO’s, huff po pitchfork etc etc which in your twisted little mind is just fine.

      I merely answer you and your fellow travelers in like manor if that is the gutter OOH WELL.

      The nick names?? seems you do excellent in that dept also….. but hey keep up the TEAM effort to get me bounced……..Means I am really getting under your skins more that you professional TROLLS get under ours.

  10. neocon01 May 23, 2013 / 5:07 pm

    mitchetheKID May 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    OMG……delicious irony……..LOL

    beautiful performance……..ROTFLMAO!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

  11. tiredoflibbs May 24, 2013 / 4:54 am

    As usual mitchie your reading comprehension is dismal. You missed the whole point of the post.

    I am not going to go and comb through the pitchfork for all of your posts and count them up. You post there at that echo chamber. You say that you have an open mind and yet you hang out there. You hang out at a place that has an incorrect narrow view of conservatism, which you express here. No matter what has been listed here to explain conservatism and its ideas, you keep regurgitating the same crap.

    You tell me to “try evolving” and yet you have a narrow vision and a closed mind. Your posts prove it and the pitchfork is the last place you want to be.

    Nice try.

    • tiredoflibbs May 25, 2013 / 12:55 pm

      When a post is a reply to someone who will be deleted, your reply will also be deleted. It is the only way to keep their footprints off the blog. Please don’t feed the trolls. // Moderator

    • tiredoflibbs May 25, 2013 / 1:18 pm

      When a post is a reply to someone who will be deleted, your reply will also be deleted. It is the only way to keep their footprints off the blog. Please don’t feed the trolls. // Moderator

  12. tiredoflibbs May 25, 2013 / 2:19 pm

    When a post is a reply to someone who will be deleted, your reply will also be deleted. It is the only way to keep their footprints off the blog. Please don’t feed the trolls. // Moderator

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