The Noonan Plan to Fix Detroit

Its pretty easy:

1.  Reduce taxes and fees on businesses and individuals by 50%.  Eliminate 25% of the city employee labor force not engaged in actual police, fire and first responder activity.

2.  Declare all abandoned real estate in the city to be public land and “homestead” it.  Any individual or married couple may stake a claim to any particular parcel of property and provided they build/refurbish a building on it within 5 years of staking the claim, the property becomes theirs.  No property taxes to be charged until the 5 years are up.

3.  A federal loan to the city of Detroit to hire police officers who will patrol, on foot or on bicycle, the streets of Detroit in sufficient numbers to keep the peace – the loan to be repaid by a lien against property tax revenues to be realized on the “homestead” property starting five years hence.

4.  Audit the city budget and determine how much is needed for basic services – if any money is left over after this amount is determined, it can be used to pay pensions and benefits to city employee retirees…if there isn’t enough, then such pensions and benefits are to be reduced or eliminated (I know, its harsh – but if the money isn’t there, then it isn’t there; the issue may be revisited at a later date if the city finances begin to have a surplus beyond basic service costs); if there isn’t enough money even for basic services, a federal loan which is, once again, to be paid back with property tax revenues starting 5 years hence.

5.  Sell off all assets of the city which are not required for basic services.

Done and done – within 10 years Detroit will be booming.

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41 thoughts on “The Noonan Plan to Fix Detroit

  1. Retired Spook July 23, 2013 / 4:55 pm

    …if there isn’t enough, then such pensions and benefits are to be reduced or eliminated (I know, its harsh – but if the money isn’t there, then it isn’t there; the issue may be revisited at a later date if the city finances begin to have a surplus beyond basic service costs)

    An alternative would be to arm all pensioners with pitch forks and declare open season on any current or former (still living) city officials who enacted policies that made sure the pension promises they made couldn’t be kept.

    • Amazona July 23, 2013 / 6:22 pm

      Since we can’t do that, at least we can link what has happened in Detroit to the underlying and controlling political philosophy that made it inevitable, tie it in with other stories just like it, and tell people right to their faces, over and over again, “….if you buy into the Leftist fantasy this will be you, your retirement, and your city…”

      Step back and look at the posts here on this tiny little blog in just the last few hours: The lack of understanding of consequences in the pursuit of pleasure, ending in the horrible death of Mark’s brother. The lack of understanding of consequences in the pursuit of OPM, ending in the death throes of a once-great city. Go back a couple of weeks for discussion of the refusal to accept the consequences of a hedonistic sex-oriented pursuit of pleasure resulting the butchery of tens of millions of innocent unborn children. In between, the refusal of way too many to acknowledge the consequences of a senseless attack on a man walking away from a possible confrontation, and the callous efforts of some to use this to create hatred, divisiveness, and political advantage.

      Our nation, our society, is in a death spiral, and like all downward spirals it picks up velocity as it goes downhill. And when sane voices call for understanding of consequences, they are shouted down by the Left—again sacrificing a nation and a people on the altar of political power.

  2. neocon01 July 23, 2013 / 5:20 pm

    The taboo, unspeakable, untouchable truth behind detroit.
    demographics.

    • neocon01 July 23, 2013 / 5:49 pm

      9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.

      20) When you call the police in Detroit, it takes them an average of 58 minutes to respond.

      21) Due to budget cutbacks, most police stations in Detroit are now closed to the public for 16 hours a day.

      22) The violent crime rate in Detroit is five times higher than the national average.

      23) The murder rate in Detroit is 11 times higher than it is in New York City.

      24) Today, police solve less than 10 percent of the crimes that are committed in Detroit.

      25) Crime has gotten so bad in Detroit that even the police are telling people to “enter Detroit at your own risk”.
      a 75% illegitimacy, rate is one of the highest in the nation and is a HUGE draw OPM supporting these.

  3. dbschmidt July 24, 2013 / 12:12 am

    There is no answer for Detroit, and many other bastions of Liberal utopia, other than to completely fail and be rebuilt on the grounds where a once proud city stood. I did not realize the psychical size of Detroit but that among other things needs to shrink. GM (Gov’nmt Motors), who I once pledged allegiance to, states they are not leaving; however, I believe this is more for subsides and as “payback” than a sound financial decision. I would still like to build a 66’ Chevy G-10 van with a 383 stroker but that is a whole ‘nother story.

    The issues I have with Mark’s answer are the people will not return until the jobs & basic security does plus you need an educated workforce (even minimally—not 47% illiteracy) to make that work. Yes, even the illiterate can be taught but not in short order—tough with even 10 years. There is an answer but it is generational in nature. It is my belief a Federal bailout will only make things worse nationwide as more cities will domino on this failure.

    This ties in many ways to drug legalization, education as well as moral beliefs. As we have moved away from the church (pick a religion—any religion) as a moral foundation, the Constitution (original meaning) as the country’s foundation on the rule of law and moved towards instant gratification—we as a nation have failed as seen by the bankruptcy of cities as well as people.

    Just as we should have done with the banks and Wall St—let Detroit fail. The harder it falls and the more that witness it may just help this country survive. We do need to help the folks of Detroit and that can be done. Start with the big public union bosses and their cohorts in the State (legislators) that made these promises—strip them of anything and everything they have made through failed policies to be awarded to those that actually worked. Adjust the payout to a reasonable retirement for everyone not responsible.

    Privatize everything. Start with things the government (Federal level) should have no business in and shrink the State and local government as well. Best place to start is the indoctrination centers educational institutions and give the kids a true liberal education. There is a “reason” why the people did not want the slaves educated—educated people want freedom and not government. Take airports out of the hands of the big government TSA & Homeland Security. Both agencies should be abolished anyway. I could continue for as long as my keyboard holds up; nevertheless, this is a good time to rock the foundation of Liberal “paradise” while spotlighting how the progressive model fails every time.

    Take care of the folks that had nothing to do with this disaster. Punish those that did. Plow it under and rebuild. Doubt anyone at any level of government has the backbone. This will be another “bailout” fiasco.

    • M. Noonan July 24, 2013 / 11:42 am

      DB,

      The key to my plan is the “homesteading”. Remember, it is for any particular parcel of abandoned land – including large, industrially zoned properties. You want it? Stake a claim – as long as you improve it within 5 years, it is yours for good…and you don’t pay any property taxes until after those 5 years pass. Free land always brings out people who are willing to risk – and making it tax free for five years just makes it more inviting. I’d give it a shot, myself.

      In order to keep the land you have now staked out, you have to improve it – you have to either refurbish the building on it, or build a new building. This requires money to be invested, work to be done, supplies to be obtained. That is economic activity right there – and the likes of such economic activity as Detroit has not seen in decades…private money coming in as an investment.

      The other aspects – including lots of foot/bicycle patrol police – are designed to make Detroit both more economically attractive and safe for decent people. As the economy revives, the smaller size of government (remember, the government workforce has been reduced by 25% – but its even more than that in practice because the total 25% reduction comes outside of police, fire and first responders…such a cut probably hits at 35% of the useless bureaucrats) ensures that the substance being built up is not immediately wasted. The fact that the increased property tax revenues five years hence is to be used first to pay back the loans for cops (and, perhaps, for operating expenses) ensures that Detroit doesn’t get too much of an increase in city revenues too quickly – thus preventing the corrupt political class from getting back on its feet. Also, the influx of doers and risk-takers changes the political dynamic of the city…now instead of two classes (dependents and government bureaucrats) there is a third element – the doers – which must be catered to by the political class.

      If I had a billion dollars, I’d bet it at a Casino that my plan will work – if started today, then by 2023 Detroit would be a boom town.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 24, 2013 / 2:43 pm

        A few issues; eliminating all but essential services is at odds with the purpose of regenerating a city where this decay now stands.

        A City planner and a staff is essential. Assuming the size of Detroit and the scope of the decay, homesteading might work if it’s restricted to central and renewable areas of the city.

        Abandoned buildings or property cannot be quick claimed (or quitclaim for those in the real estate business) unless due process has been completed on each individual property~ a very expensive proposition. Suspending due process because of the advance state of decay may sound like a good idea, but just like driving buses around Times Square picking up the homeless and drunks rids the premier part of the tourist attraction, the drunks and bums still have Constitutionally guaranteed rights to due process; as does the legal owners of the properties in Detroit. I don’t believe even Kelo allows a city to procure property not belonging to the city and giving over the rights to said property for personal use with no remuneration to the owner or the city.

        “Improvements” is also problematic. Who is to be the judge of what an improvement is? (Hint: another cost you’re not prepared to pay.) “(B)uild a new building”? Doesn’t that mean demolition of an existing building? Who bares the cost of controlling this demolition? I’m not talking about the cost of the destruction, I’m talking about the cost a city bears to support such an activity. Doesn’t there need to be control over both projects (demolition and construction)? And how will the old building be removed from it’s site on the crumbling roads and bridges in and around Detroit? And where will the debris be placed? Detroit can’t pay for refuse on this kind of scale.

        Think about the roads destroyed by neglect, sewer systems overwhelmed by decay, hydrants that don’t work and electrical systems void of copper. Before Mr. Gotrocks can build his brand spanking new Widget Factory and Sales Floor on Warren Ave. Detroit is going to need to put new roads, sewers, utilities and transportation corridors (Widgets require big trucks which require big deep roads.) He’ll want guarantees that his new project will have police and fire protection as well as medical facilities for his employees and what insurance company of sound mind would insure such an undertaking? Both from a liability standpoint as well as worker’s comp, etc.

        And what about zoning? Anthony Weiner’s Internet Cafe and Porn Palace could be right next door to Bubba Bill’s Cigar Emporium and Day Care which are just steps from the Free Clinic and the Coleman Young Elementary School and Gaming Casino.

        As a youth, my friend and I tried homesteading in Alaska; an entirely different venture than what you’re describing; a practical use of homesteading. Giving away abandoned buildings in an urban area works on a small scale provided the abandoned buildings are accessible from and to populated areas that can support the new ventures going up in those locations; Detroit cannot.

        There’s a serious fly in your ointment.

      • M. Noonan July 24, 2013 / 10:11 pm

        There are vast parcels of land in Detroit which have been abandoned for more than a decade – anyone who “owns” such property and (a) hasn’t paid taxes on it and (b) hasn’t bothered to repair the physical plant has, by this time, resigned all interest in the property. Anyone who does hold title and is interested in it can also just claim it back

        Basic services are just that – water, sewer, street lights, street maintenance. Part of plan, please note, is a large increase in the number of officers patrolling on foot or bicycle – the mere presence of police on the streets will cause crime rates to crater. You have your property, for free and tax free for five years, you are ensured utilities and police protection. Its a vastly different prospect than today – when properties are listed for a nominal price and get no takers because there is no assurance of basic services or police protection.

        Taxes have been vastly reduced – the number of parasitical bureaucrats have also been vastly reduced. You’re in a premium, free market zone…a place with great advantages to any other place in the United States.

        Free land without services and police protection people the West – free land with services and police protection will revive Detroit. Absolutely guaranteed.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 24, 2013 / 3:56 pm

        Oh, and Detroit already has an inventory of properties for sale @ $1.00 that no one will buy for the reasons above.

        Plus the fact that it’s Detroit, I mean c’mon … who wants Detroit?

  4. dbschmidt July 24, 2013 / 2:03 am

    Capitol “Fruit” Newly Created Congressional Caucus On Black Men and Boys Kicks Off With Speech Delivery By Tracy Martin…
    Posted on July 23, 2013 by sundance — Read it all here: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/23/capitol-fruit-newly-created-congressional-caucus-on-black-men-and-boys-kicks-off-with-speech-delivery-by-tracy-martin/#more-66696

    Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics… It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.
    –Vaclav Havel

    The father of Trayvon Martin, who has left every mother of his numerous children.
    –The father who was texting his son about buying handguns, and dope.
    –The father who lied on the stand in the trial of George Zimmerman before the world, and before the faces of the four investigative officers who knew the truth.
    –The father who left his “at risk teen son” alone for the weekend so he could attend a convention.
    –The father who refused to give police the passcodes/swipe codes to Trayvon’s phone and instead told the police on 2/28/12 to call his attorney.
    –The father who lied about how his son got to Sanford.
    –The father who falsified a sworn statement to FDLE investigators.
    –The father who said he saw he last saw Trayvon at 8:00pm when in actuality Trayvon was shot at 7:17.
    This is the “representative role model”?

    And you wonder why Detroit, among other urban centers, are failing???

    • neocon01 July 24, 2013 / 7:26 am

      db
      he and tra von’s “mother” won a cool ONE MILLION $$ settlement from the HOA, “precious” also LIED under oath…….. NO CHARGES!!!!

      GZ’s wife did not know she had access to a TRUST FUND set up for defense…..CHARGED WITH PERJURY!!
      No government witch hunt there huh?

    • neocon01 July 24, 2013 / 7:35 am

      David Johns, executive director of the White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans.

      OMG……….a scream if it wasnt soooo sad!!

  5. neocon01 July 24, 2013 / 7:45 am

    I thought denial was a river in India…..or is it stupidity??
    Oh well just as Guam doesn’t capsize……….

    Dem. Congresswoman: ‘The Lives of Black Men and Women Are Not Accorded the Same Value as the Lives of White Americans’
    Jul. 23, 2013 12:02pm Becket Adams

    Black Caucus Members Take to Floor to Protest Inequality: The Life of a White Person is Worth More Than a Black Person in U.S.

    Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) (AP)

    The life of a black person is apparently worth less than the life of a white person, Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), a member of the Congressional Black Causus (CBC), said Monday in response to the fury over the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

    She added that the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial is evidence blacks and whites are treated unequally in America.

    • M. Noonan July 24, 2013 / 11:33 am

      It just gets weirder by the day – and Zimmerman still isn’t white!

  6. neocon01 July 24, 2013 / 8:00 am

    Pure leftist Insanity
    MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry — the same TV commentator who said Americans need to stop raising kids as if they belong to individual families — had an extraordinary explanation for why the city of Detroit sought to declare bankruptcy last week: not enough government.

    “This is what it looks like when government is small enough to drown in your bathtub, and it is not a pretty picture.” She says budget-cutting Republicans threaten to transform all of the U.S. into Detroit.

  7. dougq July 24, 2013 / 5:30 pm

    If we can put off that homesteading for a few months I’m sure we can get a bunch of gangs together to wreak havoc on some prime real estate sections to make sure those places will be available as well.

    Forget the homesteading, IF the city was to steal the land from it’s rightful owners after forcing them out of their property via not keeping their town safe, it is only right that those people should have first dibs on their former property. The city can eat all the bank loans outstanding as well as they are mostly to blame for the value of the properties decreasing.

      • neocon01 July 25, 2013 / 10:13 am

        as they used to say in Buffalo ….time for some “Jewish lightning” Burn the Dump (chicago style) to the ground.

      • neocon01 July 25, 2013 / 4:30 pm

        count

        racist?? LOL. nah funny……..I got it FROM my MANY Jewish friends in Buffalo…always a big joke when ever there was a big fire….. still popular there 🙂

    • neocon01 July 25, 2013 / 10:20 am

      I believe if you abandon property and pay NO taxes on it the ownership reverts to the state/city, and they can sell it for back taxes due.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 25, 2013 / 11:42 am

        Neo, my old friend,

        What you believe is not the relevant fact here; just because we feel the property owners have lost all rights to their property doesn’t mean they don’t have Constitutionally guaranteed right of due process.

        I’d be willing to bet every single abandoned property in arrears on taxes would/will lose their claims to the property in due time after the city has performed the legally mandated procedure for depriving the owners of their property.

        I’ve done this for living; once the owner is identified (title search by one of those parasitic city workers Mark hates so much) and each property has been declared free of liens (yeah, right, the lender also waived his rights because the city wouldn’t protect the property the lender indemnified) and the owners are legally found and served (this time by a parasitic process server who may or may not be sucking at the city treasury’s teat as a private sector contractor or a city employee), and the obligatory time has passed for the owners to challenge the default, and the creditors on the property have all shrugged their collective shoulders and walked away from the asset (these are the very people that Mark thinks are going to line up to take possession of the property and improve it absent any real infrastructure save an additional cop on the beat), thenthe city can begin the process of giving away the property.

        Oh, by the way, the city now has to make whole the past debts that have attached to the property to (get ready for this) The City!

        That’s right, the city is not allowed by law to forgive its own property taxes. AND, since Mark’s plan is to let the new owners skate on future property tax, the city is on the hook for that as well.

        What should they do about that debt? Sell Bonds?

        Now the new owners (snicker) will need to invest heavily in the property, all without indemnification. Remember, the city screwed the insurance companies, the banks, the lenders, the Investment Angels, and everyone else that already tried to sink Coin o’the Realm in this Midwestern Armpit.

        Multiply this by a few thousand properties, add the cost of the infrastructure issues, which Mark failed to address in his response to me earlier. Here’s why;
        Since a bankruptcy will result in a forensic accounting I’m reasonably sure the debt will far exceed the assets; that’s pretty much an established fact. There won’t be money for “basic services” as there isn’t now. Detroit cannot pay the pensions and provide services and pay back the Federal Loans outstanding nor pay for the Bonds issued.

        There most certainly won’t be “money left over”.

        Wishing away the liability won’t make it disappear; ordering the confiscation of property and declaring outstanding liabilities void is unlawful for a reason. Like it or not, pensions are a legal obligation for the City of Detroit just as is repayment of loans and other debts incurred. The City cannot declare them away by fiat.

        Detroit must file for bankruptcy. The payroll is the first obligation Detroit must pay. A court will need to decide if the pensions are tier 1 or lower in the claim.

        If the Mark Plan were lawful then every city in America would simply confiscate every property based on Eminent Domain, sell the properties at below market, pocket the bucks and move to the next shopping mall with Code Violations and declare it “CONDEMNED”, liquidate the assets and live like an Obama.

        Then there’s the private residence “homesteaders”. This gang of roving squatters can file the necessary paperwork with a parasitic city employee in a parasitic city office to legally move in to a sub-standard dwelling which the parasitic city inspectors wouldn’t let a rat-family inhabit, but by the Mark-Rule a family of humans may now legally be placed in danger with the city’s blessings while they “improve” the property. Of course, because the building is not fit for human habitation, no insurance company would sign on to this madness, so the city then becomes the guarantor of the family’s safety and personal financial liability.

        Or, maybe Mark doesn’t mean they can actually inhabit the houses, maybe he means they can have it for free, make the necessary improvements, get the parasitic inspectors to certify the property, obtain the parasitic permits and pay the parasitic charges BEFORE they can occupy the house.

        Right … but that’s not homesteading, that’s what Detroit has been doing for the last 25 years.
        Great Plan, performing the same task and expecting different results is a sign of … anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 25, 2013 / 11:48 am

        … and to Doug’s point; property “owners” in blighted area can simply quitclaim the property over to the city, and then “reclaim” is as Mark suggested and VIOLA! They don’t owe the creditors anymore! They don’t owe property taxes no matter how much in debt they are to the City or the Bank.

        Uh, there’s still that nasty Lean business, but if the City can unilaterally declare all City debts null, they can get around that as well. (/sarc)

      • M. Noonan July 25, 2013 / 12:04 pm

        Count,

        Eminent Domain can cover a lot of things – yes, it would take some law-making at the local, State and perhaps federal level to get this through…but if you want to revive the city, you have to start from scratch…and “from scratch” in America means “homesteading”. And its not just a cop on the beat – the city budget will be worked out so that basic services are guaranteed…water, sewer, etc. Permits? No, no permits. The land is free, you stake your claim, you build your house/business on it. There weren’t building inspectors for the homesteaders of yore, won’t be for this, either.

        The plan creates in place of the dead city of Detroit a wide-open area of economic investment – and people will take advantage of it.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 25, 2013 / 1:04 pm

        The Mark Plan
        Detroit Homesteading = A City of Squatters
        Squatters Required Improvements = No Inspectors
        No Inspectors = No Enforcement
        No Enforcement = No Improvements
        No Improvements = No Tax Revenue
        No Tax Revenue = No Infrastructure improvements
        No City Infrastructure = No Schools, No Hospitals, No Emergency Services

        Detroit Debt = Default on Debt, and go on as if no one will ever notice.

        And one last thing; you’ve obviously never been homesteading since Homesteading in America is managed by the Federal Government under the Homestead Act. This would require unincorporating Detroit putting the land under Federal Jurisdiction (Michigan is all over that) and all property would become Federal Land. It’s not a local ordinance or a City law that can be changed at will.

        Under the Homestead Act the property is inspected and the owner must live on the property and make living improvements from a per-approved list. The only businesses allowable are farming and ranching, not porn shops or a Madrassa.

      • M. Noonan July 25, 2013 / 2:38 pm

        Oh, for pity’s sake – get over the idea that unless we have government minders we won’t get it right. Why would I want to build a worthless, unusable house or other building? Out of my own interest, I’d want it to be usable. Trust me on this, before we had government inspectors we managed to build things correctly.

      • Amazona July 25, 2013 / 8:34 pm

        In Wyoming, at least in two counties I know of, they don’t have building inspections for anything but septic systems. If you want to burn to death in a badly wired house, go for it. If you are stupid enough to buy a house without having it inspected first, tough. You just have to make sure that your s**t doesn’t pollute anyone else.

  8. dougq July 25, 2013 / 3:20 pm

    I don’t know, Mark, the whole thing just turns my conservative guts the wrong way.

    A government run by some of it’s citizens being able to intentionally or unintentionally run it’s constituent’s property into the ground so that it could confiscate it all and select which of it’s friends will get the prime views when it comes out of the ashes makes me think too much of the Bolshevik revolution or Nazi Germany.

    Then again, I am of the belief that if a county assesses the ‘fair market value’ of your property at $X they should have to buy that property from you at that price if asked. I’m guessing Detroit has trampled it’s property owners at every turn, intentionally, and to reward them, it’s just not right.

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 25, 2013 / 4:12 pm

      You’re missing Mark’s point; the government isn’t involved in any way. just people moving into decaying abandoned houses, staying rent free, tax free, in a neighborhood with no stores, hospitals, dentists, restaurants, offices, no car dealerships, schools, churches or universities,

      No way to earn a living, no laws, control, or authority.

      Like pioneers crossing the Great Plains in Prairie Schooners, people will flock by the thousands to the new Mecca of individualism, build luxury accommodations where once stood collapsing hovels ~ each with businesses on the ground floor where, free to engage in commerce uninhibited by government minders these entrepreneurial souls will scratch out a living using a modified barter system; a brass doorknob is worth two fried eggs, your 12 year old daughter is worth a fine set of Ralph Lauren bedsheets.

      They must be armed with Squirrels Guns to keep them revie-newers away from they stills and meth labs. the ‘hos must be protected in the New Boom-town.

      Rules? We don’ have to show you no RULES! We don’ need no stinkin’ RULES!

      Leave Behind the United states; Welcome to New Detroit!

      Abandon Hope all ye who enter.

      • neocon01 July 25, 2013 / 4:37 pm

        Count
        I still like the Oy Vey approach…… or maybe even better oy gevalt Burn ba-by burn!!

  9. neocon01 July 25, 2013 / 6:34 pm

    WHAT??

    No **WIENER** thread and jokes??

    • Amazona July 25, 2013 / 8:31 pm

      Wiener IS a joke, but a sad and pathetic one.

      The real joke will be if the sheeple in NYC, eager to prove how tolerant and nonjudgmental they are, elect him mayor. You know, kind of like how they elected the other unfunny joke, Barry, as prez.

      BTW, my theory is that aside from being just plain nuts, the reason he texts photos of his junk is because ugly as it must be it still probably looks better than his face. I mean, that is one ugly lil’ dude. That face, that voice, that personality, that wife—with all that going on, you don’t have to have a very great package to want people to focus on that instead of the other stuff.

      Speaking of the wife—she has learned from the master about how to just look the other way when hubby humiliates her. The thing is, Hillary had the payoff of the White House to compensate her for national humiliation. Huma won’t even get the First Lady of New York as a consolation prize.

      • dbschmidt July 26, 2013 / 12:41 am

        If Wiener manages to win the election for Mayor odf NYC then I feel I will need to hitch up my Prairie Schooner and head towards New New Detroit.

        Nevertheless, I see the optimism of Mark’s idea but as I stated earlrier–it will never work before letting the city fail and returning to a more Constitutional law.

      • M. Noonan July 26, 2013 / 8:33 pm

        DB,

        I think Detroit has failed as much as it can – they haven’t fallen to cannibalism, yet, but I think we should stop the slide before they get there.

      • dbschmidt July 26, 2013 / 12:47 am

        BTW, Ama, I have a gut feeling that Wiener’s wife has set back “women” as far back as Obama has set blacks. I take a serious look at all canidates but I have a feeling for the “American Idol” voters–these two have set back real State/Federal management a couple hundred years.

      • Amazona July 26, 2013 / 9:16 am

        More on Huma, the Muslim Brotherhood entry into our State Department:

        From Newsmax:

        “Abedin served as Clinton’s deputy chief of staff but became a “special government employee” in June 2012 after she gave birth to son Jordan. Weiner resigned as New York’s Democratic congressman in 2011 amid his first sexting scandal.

        “The State Department says the federal government uses Special Government Employees ‘to provide services and expertise the executive agencies require,'” Grassley said. “The purpose of my inquiry is to shed light on whether the program is being used as intended, not just by Ms. Abedin, but more broadly, as well.”

        Abedin represented at least four clients — the State Department, Hillary Clinton, the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation, and a firm co-founded by former president Bill Clinton’s counselor Doug Band — between June 2012 and February 2013, Politico reported last May.

        Grassley, the top Judiciary Committee Republican, compiled a three-page letter to Abedin and Secretary of State John Kerry, saying he was concerned her status “blurs the line between public- and private-sector employees, especially when employees receive full-time salaries for what appears to be part-time work,” The New York Post reported last month.”

        So she is personally tied to both Clintons, doing private work for Hillary, Bill’s foundation, and a company founded by Bill’s former lawyer, at the same time she is doing work for the State Department.

        Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/weiner-abedin-grassley-consulting

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) July 26, 2013 / 2:18 pm

        db,

        By “Constitutional law” do you mean the US Constitution?

        Amendment 5 – Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings

        No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

      • M. Noonan July 26, 2013 / 8:34 pm

        Count,

        The Constitution is not a suicide pact – we can’t wait forever for someone who has taken no interest in a decade in his Detroit property to advise us what he wants to do. Eminent domain is the process to use – and that would provide compensation for anyone who can show a claim on any particular property seized and put up for homesteading.

      • neocon01 July 27, 2013 / 12:04 pm

        count

        No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,

        seems the regime forgot about that in the GZ lynching and kangaroo debacle.Im sure wiener&holder are looking into that as we speak…. LOL

  10. neocon01 July 26, 2013 / 11:05 am

    No No you all fail to see….this is all part of the GOP’s war on women.
    right down from the W#$@E Hounds of LBJ, JFK, JFnK, billy bob, and tra-von hussein obama………… OH WAIT those were ALL DONKS!!
    Im soo confused….

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