House GOP Grows a Backbone?

Maybe:

House Speaker John A. Boehner said Wednesday that the chamber will pass a resolution this week to continue funding the government but to deny any funds to implement President Obama’s new health care law.

“The law is a train wreck. The president has protected American big business. It’s time to protect American families from this unworkable law,” Mr. Boehner, Ohio Republican, said at a press conference Wednesday morning…

Obama, naturally, has said he’ll reject any bill which defunds ObamaCare.  This, as you might expect, has frightened the RINOs who have been told by the Democrats and the MSM that the shutdown of the government during the 1990’s destroyed the GOP for a generation…except for the fact that the GOP post-shut down managed to hold on to their House and Senate majorities and elected Bush President in 2000.  If we get “crushed” like that because we shut down the government over ObamaCare, then I’m all for it.  It looked for a long time like the House leadership would cave to RINO fears – but, I guess someone on Boehner’s staff decided to step an inch outside the Beltway and discovered (doubtless much to his surprise) that ObamaCare is hideously unpopular with the American people and especially with the GOP base.

This isn’t a gray area – it is a stark fact of life.  ObamaCare is a train wreck and everyone outside the White House and MSNBC can see it’s a train wreck.  People don’t want it.  They might not be sold on a free market solution to ObamaCare; they may, indeed, eventually opt for a very government-run health care system…but ObamaCare is a disaster that people have already seen too much of.  It has to go.  Only Obama’s pride and stupidity prevents him from just saying, “now that we’ve seen the complexities of health care reform, it is time for us to change the law in light of recent experience”.  If he did that, he’d probably wind up with 80% of what he wants…but, as I said: stupid and proud.

I’m just glad we’re fighting a bit…more drift like we’ve had the past 6 months and 2014 could end up a disaster for us.  Fight and win…and, heck, even if you fight and lose its better than “chicken out” and lose.

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18 thoughts on “House GOP Grows a Backbone?

  1. neocon01 September 18, 2013 / 4:29 pm

    One thought on “House GOP Grows a Backbone?”

    No way jose

  2. tiredoflibbs September 18, 2013 / 5:41 pm

    The French Republicans grow a spine?

    I’ll believe it when obAMATEUR whines about the government shutting down and hoping to make political fodder out of it.

  3. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 19, 2013 / 2:18 pm

    Personally, I think pushing this to a government shut-down is a mistake. After the Senate rejects it, after the President shuts down those areas most affecting Joe Sixpack, and after the Republican’s speechifying is ridiculed by the Press … then what? Obama will never/i> sign a CR without ObamaCare, the Senate will never agree to such a CR.

    It isn’t 1995; the Republicans were popular in 1994 coming off an historic election. Today? Not so much.

    The Republicans of 1995 gained in congress and got Center-Right Bush elected, that’s true; but what happened to the leaders of that particular revolt? Will you still be enthusiastic about this folly when the one’s pushing it are relegated to Fox News contributors and perennial Presidential Candidates? Will you rally to support Boehner and Cantor who will be the ones left standing when the inevitable happens?

    No matter how you slice it and dice it there can only be one outcome; the Republicans will have to crumble eventually and give Obama a clean Budget. ObamaCare will be funded, this particular windmill isn’t going to fall.

    There is no way this ends well.

    Even if we don’t care about the “political fodder” or the 2014/2016 elections; I only ask what’s the point? What do you think this will accomplish?

    And, on a side note: Tom Delay was acquitted; the Court ruled he should have never been charged much less indicted.

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 19, 2013 / 2:23 pm

      … and if being opposed to shooting one’s self through the head to prevent a spanking makes me a RINO, then I fully embrace that moniker.

      • Retired Spook September 19, 2013 / 3:21 pm

        Count, I get your point, but the Repubs are (as usual) caught between a rock and a hard place. If they vote to defund ObamaCare, they will be portrayed by the Dems and their willing accomplices in the media as the worst sort of monsters. If they don’t vote to defund ObamaCare, the number of Conservatives who stayed home in November, 2012 will be a drop in the bucket compared to the number that will stay home in November, 2014. It’ll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. If history is any measure, the GOP will come out on the short end of the stick no matter what happens.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 19, 2013 / 3:57 pm

        Stinky “end of the stick” for sure, and who’s fault is that?

        A) Make a few noises about “defunding” since the House controls the purse strings we just “cut off funding”. Right? Well no, we ignored the voices that said it’s not that simple (like mine for instance); the law passed it is part of the Budget, the House can’t pick and choose what it wants to spend money on; the Budget has to be changed.

        B) Allow Obama and the willing lapdog media taunt us into this foolish action.

        C) Make absurd claims that if the Congress doesn’t “do something” (no matter how ill-advised) they will lose support. Instead of taunting we’re encouraging this suicidal action; cheering it on.
        Jump-jump-jump!

        D) Continue with the short-sighted planning; instead of taking the military, social programs and essential services off the table months ago by sending the president a CR that guarantees these will be funded regardless of the Budget Battle, we wait until it’s all or nothing. We could have put the “essential” funding in Obama’s lap and make him demonstrate he’s eager for a government shutdown.

        E) Send a meaningless CR to the Senate where Harry Reid will remove the defund ObamaCare provision and send it as an emergency spending bill to the President. Reid has the votes easily to declare the ObamaCare provision “on hold” until the negotiations are concluded. This forces the House to shut the government instead of the President shutting down government. And finally,

        F) Have no exit strategy should this all go pear-shaped (and it will) except “Don’t Blink!

        I’m sorry, I wish I were wrong since I’m lousy at predicting the future, but as Yogi once said “Anybody who can’t hear the difference between a ball hitting wood and a ball hitting concrete must be blind.”

    • canadianobserver11 September 20, 2013 / 7:53 am

      Count d’Haricots (@Count_dHaricots)
      September 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Count d’Haricots (@Count_dHaricots)
      September 19, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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      Well stated, Count. It appears that unlike others we could name, you’ve given this situation some intelligent thought.

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 20, 2013 / 11:46 am

        How sad is that?

        Congressional Dirty-Tricks and Gaming, conspiring against the Will of the People, deceit, corruption and hubris gave us this Law, and pointing out that those are not the methods to be used to kill the Law is considered intelligent.

        What will send this Law to the dustbin of history is a tsunami of public outrage directed at those that gave us this monstrosity not misplaced outrage at those that oppose the Law but without our help are powerless to put a stake through its heart.

        Spook points out that there will be backlash against the Republicans if they fail in this kamikaze raid. db speaks of a political price the Republicans will pay at the ballot-box. Mark’s premise is that the opposition to an offensive Law will be “crushed” but that we can live with the consequences of doing the right thing — if it succeeds.

        How about this, if (when) it fails we redouble our efforts, support the ones that tilted against this windmill, put the wind back in their sails and shove them back in the ring for another round?
        Note; people that mix metaphors aren’t batting with a full deck.

        Instead of attaching Boehner to the pillory for not getting rid of this, or expelling Ted Cruz from the Conservative Purist Society for pointing out the obvious, get the TEA Party out in support of their efforts, reward them for every legal effort they make to bring this destructive Law to an end.

        I pointed out above that the Republicans have made many calculation errors along the way, none of those would matter had the TEA Party been at the Capitol Steps demonstrating their support for ending this Long National Nightmare.

        This Act was doomed to fail. The next step should be to back away from the precipice, get the support of the People and try every Legislative method possible.

        Tired and neo have their outrage wound up and rightly so, but joining the GMB crowd in denunciation and threats of a third party isn’t going to send the troops happily once more into the breach.

        Sheesh, you’d think I could come up with one consistent metaphor … or allegory … or … analogy.

        What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

        Germans?

        Forget it, he’s rolling.

  4. dbschmidt September 19, 2013 / 10:40 pm

    There is a choice for everyone, and everyone has to make a choice. Actually, according to procedure rules in the Senate–they may not have to. I would agree this is a type of fool’s errand with no perceivable winner; however, I would like to get all of the votes on record. The House will do that but it looks like the Senate may escape.That is the failure of our government.

    Funding the entire government with the exception of a law (Obamacare) which the government has already excepted portions (against the actual law) I see nothing wrong with under the equal protection clause. Personally, I feel that all government officials (President on down) including their staff, the unions who pressed for this including both labor and teachers plus other interests that pushed for this law should be the caretakers of this law. Let them feel the “love” firsthand and then report back.

    Exempt the rest of us for two years and they report back in 18 months about how wonderful everything is.

    • Retired Spook September 20, 2013 / 7:41 am

      but it looks like the Senate may escape.That is the failure of our government.

      A repeal of the 17th Amendment would go a long way toward solving that.

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 20, 2013 / 11:13 am

      I agree db, make all the public employees (except certain state university staff) and once the incubator has produced a workable model, roll it out for everyone.

      But, to your greater point; all spending bills begin in the House; this one began in the Senate-Strike One!

      The President unilaterally carved out exceptions not permitted in the Law- Strike Two!

      The President unilaterally delayed implementation of parts of the Law-Strike Three!

      The President unilaterally authorized funding for government workers to circumvent the cost reductions not permitted by the Law-Strike … uh …Does it Matter?

  5. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 20, 2013 / 12:32 pm

    As i said, I’m lousy at predicting the future.

    Will the Boehner Plan work?

    This sounds like a reasonable legislative effort to achieve Conservative Objectives.

    Neo, are we willing to cut this RINO some slack? Are we ready to support realistic efforts to achieve attainable action as we move toward our goal? Or should we fire the whole rag-tag bunch of turn-coat RINOs for not stopping this thing dead in its tracks?

    • Retired Spook September 20, 2013 / 1:41 pm

      Count, from your linked National Journal article:

      “Some details of the strategy are still being hashed out, and not all members are aware of the plan.”

      Excuuuuuuuse me — National Journal write an article about it, but NOT ALL MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THE PLAN”? Let’s just shoot them all and start over.

  6. Amazona September 20, 2013 / 2:06 pm

    I am less strident about the term RINO than some, because I understand that things are often different than they look, that accommodations must sometimes be made that are hard to understand if one is on the outside and unaware of compromises and accommodations made by others in the pursuit of various goals, etc. I get upset sometimes at what I think I understand about things that happen, but then I realize that I know very little about what went on behind closed doors, what was gained in exchange for what I know was given up, and so on.

    So I am not one of those who have been howling that Boehner must be drawn and quartered, even though sometimes it seems that his actions are indefensible. Those who work with him seem to have confidence in him, and that could mean they are also spineless crapweasels, or it could mean that they know a lot more than we do and think he has accomplished things we don’t know about or overcome obstacles we don’t understand.

    • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) September 20, 2013 / 4:11 pm

      Now that’s what I’m talking about!

      Years ago Barry Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act; he voted that way on Constitutional Grounds, believing the Act violated the 10th Amendment and exceeded federal authority. Barry said later that it was the biggest regret of his life after have been a charter member of the Phoenix NAACP and supporting the civil rights bills from the 1950s. Barry was one of the strongest voices for racial equality of his generation; much greater than the dimocrats then and now. He felt that regret because ultimately the Bill was the right thing to do even though he still believed it didn’t meet his understanding of the Constitution.

      Barry voted his conscience and stuck to his principles in 1964. To the Establishment Republicans he was an outlier, working against the Republicans stated goal of full equality regardless of race, color or familial origins.

      Scott Regill (R-VA) voted against the CR; he did so based on his belief that Congress should get back to voting a Budget and stop all the stop-gap measures. He has a Conservative rating of 84% from the American Conservative Union and a 100% conservative rating from the Faith & Freedom Coalition.

      Like the two democrats that joined the Republicans, Scott has my respect for voting his conscience and voting for what he believes in in the best interest of constituents & the Nation.

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