Instructed by what happened after 1933 in Germany, modern Jews, it appears, are not waiting around to see what the New New Order will be like:
Some fifty years ago, a mass migration transformed Judaism in France and in other countries of Western Europe. Algeria, a French colony in North Africa, was granted independence in 1962. Over one million French residents — European settlers and natives that had opted for French citizenship and culture — had no choice but to flee across the Mediterranean to the mother country, and ten percent of them were Jewish. Overnight, the Jewish community in Metropolitan France grew from 300,000 to over 400,000 souls…
…Now, a reversal is taking place. Today Jews are migrating out of France, and this is occurring in increasingly larger numbers.
This migration starts within France, as a mere change of locations. In Greater Paris, middle-class Jewish families are deserting neighborhoods that have been engulfed by more recent immigrants from Africa and the Near East. These new immigrant populations have proven prone to violence, and as radical Muslims, many entertain negative views about Jews and Judaism. Harassment, arson, and assault are frequent. There have been several murders. Even the liberal-minded Imam Hassan Chalghoumi of Drancy, who advocates friendly relations with Christians and Jews, was threatened and assaulted.
“I did not leave Morocco for France to be confronted by Morocco again in France,” a Casablanca-born Jewish physician confided to me…
Get out while the getting is good. As the Muslim population surges in Europe the Muslim radicals grow in number and strength and start making demands – demands which are, for the most part, immediately accepted by the Ruling Class of Europe. This acceptance is because the Ruling Class of Europe (like the Ruling Class everywhere in the West, including the United States) is cowardly – cowardly because they are not Christian, not Jewish, not anything…just rulers with lots of money and power and a determination to hang on to both as long as they can…and if they can buy a little peace for themselves by grovelling to Islamists, they’ll do it. The Jews, though, are seeing the writing on the wall and aren’t sticking around until the cattle cars come ’round to pick them up.
As in all forms of descent, momentum takes over – from a mere fearful desire to appease the Islamists comes a desire to be as anti-Semitic as the Islamists. There are moves afoot in Europe to ban the kosher preparation of food as well as circumcision of children (no, not much effort to ban the Islamic preparation of food). Its easier, you see? To stand up for the Rights of Man (which France, once upon a time, claimed loyalty to) takes courage and, in the end, a willingness to kill or die for the cause. That can disturb the sweet deal you’ve got where the money pours in and you get to attend swank conferences on the taxpayer’s dime.
For the moment, Jews can find refuge – in Israel and the United States. But even the United States is not absolutely secure, because if the American left does emerge completely triumphant in our current battle, if they are able to marginalize us and thus obtain full power to do as they wish, then it will become uncomfortable for Jews in the United States, as well (which just makes it even more amazing that so many American Jews vote for the people who are already turning on them). We already see in the more liberal areas of the United States a kowtowing to Islam, which is just how it started in Europe…but kowtowing isn’t enough. Eventually, such actions lead a person to joining the other side…to become anti-Semitic (some on the left have already made this journey). And, so, in the end, if I were to advise a foreign Jew where to go, I’d say Israel…and pray the IDF is, indeed, up to the task of taking out Iran’s nuclear weapons program (American Jews, you’re not off the hook – you have to stick around and help us defeat this nonsense).
And, of course, it isn’t just Jews under threat. In Europe there are also plenty of Christians who no longer feel that Europe is safe for them. While Europe is ostensibly filled with Christians, my guess is that the number of Europeans who actually live as Christians is in the 10% range (some countries have a higher number – Ireland and Poland, for instance; but even in those places, it is probably just a bare majority…in some places of Europe, especially the power centers, there are hardly any Christians, at all). I’ve read stories of Europeans emigrating to the United States simply because they feel they can’t raise their children to be Christians in Europe – the whole of society is weighted against them. A two-track destruction of European civilization is going on – hammering the Christians who built it, welcoming in the Muslims who wish to end it.
Say what you will, but this is a fight to the finish – Western, Christian civilization has been under attack for centuries (I’d date it to the misbegotten – and entirely misnamed, as it’s proponents were amazingly ignorant – so-called Enlightenment of the mid 18th century). Point blank, we are already living in what amounts to a post-Christian era, but which is still a Christian framework of society (such concepts as individual liberty, the worth of the individual, etc, are Christian concepts alien to all other civilizations on Earth). Now, it seems, the ignorant and cowardly heirs of the so-called Enlightenment are essentially calling in Islam to finish the job. It makes more sense than you might think – Enlightenment thinking is very Determinist in view; fatalistic, as it were: and so is Islam. The modern, Western Determinist figures everything happens because of what has happened before, no human free will. The Islamist figures everything happened because of God’s will, no human free will. It is Christians (and Jews) who actually hold that humans have a part to play independent of God’s will…that we can choose our fate. This conception built our civilization, and the end of our civilization is built around the end of such a concept.
How it will come out remains to be seen – though, as a Christian, I’m absolutely assured that my side wins, in the end. But this doesn’t mean we have no role to play – that we cannot or must not fight. The only question is: will we fight? The Jews are (wisely) starting to flee an increasingly anti-Semitic Europe – but you can only flee so far. And there is no place for the (at least) 150 million Americans who believe in the Judeo-Christian West to flee to.
UPDATE: The left goes to ever more extreme lengths to attack Israel – now the fact that IDF soldiers don’t rape Muslim women is “proof” that IDF soldiers don’t think of Muslim women as human beings. On the flip side, this must mean that the Muslim men who rape Christian women are paying them a compliment those nasty IDF soldiers never could…
(which just makes it even more amazing that so many American Jews vote for the people who are already turning on them)
It’s not really so amazing. About 70% of American Jews are Liberals first and Jews a distant second. And since we all know that Liberalism is a mental disorder, it follows that liberal Jews would behave irrationally WRT their own self interests.
according to je$$e jacka$$ islam is the wave of Americas future….why not? we have already “elected” one as pResident.
Spook…something I have never understood about the Jews…communists murdered more of them than hitler yet they support communist marxism (liberalism)……a death wish?
Death wish or mental disorder pretty well covers it guys.
Jewish support for the Bolsheviks stemmed from the fact that only the far left in Russia made a pretense at not planning nastiness to the Jews. That it turned out to be a lie is neither here nor there – if you were a Jew in Russia in 1910, the only place where you didn’t face the immediate prospect of a pogrom was among the Bolsheviks and like minded people. It all sorta came from that – and even all the realities of what happened afterwards still never shook faith entirely…plenty of Jews really do see the Christians as the enemies. To be sure, it is mostly secular Jews who can barely be considered Jewish who have this hostility, but its still there, and not likely to go away any time soon.
First and foremost Jews understand what it is to be persecuted, they relate to those of unpopular ideas and minority opinion. Jews don’t have a mental disorder causing them to be liberals; they have 6,000 years of persecution causing them to be liberal.
Jews hold to the belief that the community is responsible for the weakest among us, and have an unshakable conviction in Who am I to Judge? This time it’s them; next time it’s me.
The Muslim wants his place of worship near the WTC? Who am I to judge? If I prevent the Muslim from having his Mosque where he wants it then they will prevent me from my Synagogue next time. The family needs welfare? Who am I to judge? They don’t get help when they need it, next time it will be my family that starves from the indifference of the community. People want medical care without paying? Who am I to judge? Gays want to marry? Who am I to judge? Abortion? Who am I to judge?
(You can look to the Torah and find substantiations to these ideas.)
Jews also have an inherent faith in the evil in men’s hearts; we must have rules to constrain men. It is our places to live in peace with our neighbors, but if the wrong men have guns how will we live in peace? We won’t take up arms against our neighbors, but where is the protection from them taking up arms against us? We are too few to band against our enemies, better we should live quietly and not antagonize them. Better the government should prevent bad men from having the means to destroy us.
and, if given the chance, they will destroy us.
(Again, the Torah and our collective experience.)
Now to neo’s point; there are many Jews who have felt that if they held the reins of power then there won’t be a “next time”. Communism (and Socialism) achieve this by making all but the power-brokers equal; none may do harm to another lest the all-powerful government step in. And, since the bureaucracy needs to be administered by bureaucrats who better than a Jew? Since Jews have been prevented from learning or practicing a trade for centuries, they are best equipped to administer rather than perform. This is I their DNA.
Death wish? No, it’s called “survival” and who better than a Jew knows how to survive?
great summary and explanation, still suicidal backing the present donk party.
Sometimes all you can do is shake your head in disbelief when you watch people making stupid decisions.
Recently a good friend of mine was serving on his Temple’s search committee to find a new Rabbi. After interviewing dozens they selected a young man with a fine reputation, pleasant manner, even disposition, and learned.
He began his term.
Within a few weeks he announced that he was gay. Then announced that he was having his significant other move in to the house provided him by the congregation. After another month he began to join in protests and demonstration for gay-rights all around the state, then the country. He opened the Temple as a meeting place for advocates and community organizers which brought in the fellow travelers; abortion rights, sanctuary for illegals, gun control, Union organizers, campaigns to change the name of every school or public organization using Indian names or images, free health-care, free education K through University, etc.
My friend told me the congregation was very upset and experienced dwindling attendance, and smaller than normal contributions, could not pay their bills because the new Rabbi had blown the money on his husband his and friends, travel and extravagant living, I asked why they don’t get rid of the Rabbi, and he said,
“Who are we to judge him?”
“Who are we to judge him?”
we make judgements every day…. we are directed by scripture not to “judge” one another, but we are also told we will know people by their fruits…( Hmmmmm) there is nothing wrong with inspecting the fruits of another and rejecting that which is bad.
Yer preachin’ to the choir sister!
Yikes !!! where is crocodile dundee when you need him…..
Count, thanks for your essay on the self-delusion of the Liberal Jew—-if we play nice with Islam they will surely turn around and play nice with us, if we refuse to judge others they will not judge us, if we turn over our money to feed other people then someone will take care of us if we need it, etc. If we can build a government strong enough to keep us all in line, we will be safe—until that government proves to be the enemy.
I think we have enough Jewish businessmen, bankers, doctors, lawyers, and yes, accountants, to move beyond the bad old days of prohibiting Jews from engaging in trade.
Well, Ama, Jews have survived in a hostile world for 6,000 years.
You can’t argue with success.
Telling Liberal Jews that they are delusional will go a long way towards getting their support.
Count, I prefer the Jewish response to the massacre in Munich to just managing not to die. In today’s world, I think passively avoiding conflict is going to serve them even worse than it did in the 30s and 40s. We now have a worldwide demographic dedicated to the destruction of Jews no matter where they may be found, not just a tinpot dictator in one European country. And this enemy is well funded, well armed, and even more fanatical than the last organized threat to Jews.
Do Jews really think that when push comes to shove, Obama is going to go up against Islam to defend Israel? Do they really think that all those millions in campaign donations, all those letters to the editors about the eeeevils of the Right, are going to earn them some protection?
And why is it that a people known for intelligence, a people which tends to define itself as ‘intellectual’, is so dense when it comes to understanding basic history? OK, support fascism in the 30s because it appeals to the self image of the intellectual, but at least acknowledge its relationship to the Russian Leftist pogroms that targeted Jews. And when yet another Leftist model turns out to be virulently anti-Semitic, wouldn’t you think that these supposed intellectuals could connect the dots and realize that supporting the Left is just plain crazy?
Oh, I see we have another insightful political comment from casper. Evidently he speaks from experience, being called delusional so often, for so long, yet remaining steadfast in his blind allegiance to a model he doesn’t even recognize, thinking he is really just being all warm-fuzzy-tolerant-inclusive and studiously ignoring the political ramifications of his emoting.
“…Jews have survived in a hostile world for 6,000 years.
You can’t argue with success.”
Well, I can quibble about the definition of “success” and wonder how many more would have survived if there had been a little more pushback to oppression and a little more understanding of the political realities of their times.
Oh, so Mister Wyoming Goyem is suddenly the expert on talking to Jews?
So tell us Rabbi Nudzh, you’ve had how much experience convincing Jews there in the Rockies?
The place must be lousy with Goldfarbs and Birnbaums. You can’t hardly toss a gefilte without a klap on a yarmulke.
Success is being tossed to the four corners of the earth from antiquity and coming together in Israel after being separated for centuries to find our religion is the same.
Success is passing this from mother to child, generation on generation.
Success is surviving.
Judaism has survived.
Oh, I don’t disagree that Jews have survived.
It’s just that to an outsider like me, it’s been kind of like being one of those people in a movie theater yelling at characters on the screen “DO something!!!” When you are rooting for someone, it hurts to see that someone—an individual or a people—-taking it on the chin without fighting back. When you have such a profound respect for a religion and a history as I have for Judaism, there is always the regret that so many Jews have NOT survived, because of their religion or culture.
As I said, in the past, it might have worked to keep your head down and avoid calling attention to yourself, as a survival tactic. It might have helped to never take sides, in the hope of not alienating either side in question. But in today’s world, with nearly instantaneous worldwide communication, rapid travel among nations, and terrifying weaponry, it might be time to adjust that way of thinking, especially given the expansion of your worst enemy.
Now might be a time to rethink strategy.
the shiksa with the horses
That was an excellent explanation, Count. My problem is that I don’t know any other Jews like you, and I have to confess to being somewhat of an anti-Semite based on my life experiences. I’ve had very few interactions with Jews that could be categorized as agreeable or cordial. The only person who ever tried to cheat me in business was a Jew, and, quite frankly, I’ve never forgiven Israel for shooting up the U.S.S. Liberty back in the late 60’s where a bunch of my fellow navy spooks were killed and injured. That said, I hold none of those things against you, and consider you not just a friend but a friend who has taught me a great deal over the years.
Thanks, (I think).
Now talk to that shiksa with the horses and let her know that Jews just learned very different lessons from their history than you have from yours.
Oh, Jews are “intellectual”?
I know some pretty stupid Jews.
I also know some Japanese that are lousy gardeners, and even some Mexicans that can’t use a leaf-blower … not everything is a universal truth.
Thanks, (I think).
Nah, we’re good, at least I hope so. I apologize for my comment sounding like a generalization about everyone of Jewish faith. It was only a reflection of my own life experience, which, sadly, has not included very many positive interactions with Jews.
We’re probably all going to get ourselves in trouble over this thread – I can see our liberals getting all sorts of upset. Oh, well. We’re having a discussion…and, at any event, I’m half-Jewish, anyways (my mother was born Jewish but did not practice Judaism – not sure if that makes me enough of a Jew to become an instant citizen of Israel, but the Jewish blood is indubitably there).
Here’s a bit from a book written more than a century ago – it neatly encapsulates the Christian attitude towards Jews before Hitler came along and both brought anti-Semitism to a horrific depth and (pro-tempore) made anti-Semitism unfashionable:
That is from Chesterton’s The Ball and the Cross. Chesterton was considered by many in the Jewish community of Britain – along with Belloc – to be an anti-Semite. This, I think, revolved around Chesterton’s view that the Boer War was conducted at the behest of monied interests, some of which were Jewish. To his credit, however, Chesterton very early perceived what Hitler was about and shortly before his own death in 1935, Chesterton was observing that men like him – who had attacked Jews often in the past – might end their lives dying to defend the Jews against the Hitlerian madness. Probably, had Chesterton lived until 1945, he would have had cause to regret some of his past statements – but not all, I think; and not all even which could be characterized in 1945 as anti-Semitic.
The point here is that being anti-Jewish was not thought wrong in most of Europe up until Hitler tore the lid off. It is no surprise that Jews built up a strong hostility to those things which they perceived as being against them – too ardent a patriotism; small property holders; middle class snobbery (the upper classes pretty easily accepted Jews starting in the early 19th century – provided they were rich Jews who were free with their money). But things are different, now. And even Chesterton saw the difference at its dawn – in a tour of Israel in the 1920’s, he observed that if the Jews really come home and work the land, then they’ll do themselves and the world a favor…and so they did. Chesterton miraculously come back today would stand on the ramparts defending a kibbutz against all comers as he would defend any small holders fighting for their farm.
Uh, I don’t think I said that Jews ARE “intellectual”, but tend to identify themselves AS “intellectuals”.
And we can all name dozens of self-described “intellectuals” who are as dumb as boxes of hair.
I was thinking of the Jews who flocked to fascism in the 30s and early 40s, so many of whom were academics and who seemed to see themselves as being intellectually superior. Even now the politically active Jews seem to be academics and other groups which self-identify as intellectuals.
I am not saying that all Jews ARE “intellectual”. I am too busy saying that all Asians are good at math…………
Once again, it goes along with my explanation – the Jews became socialists because only the socialists didn’t have a plan to destroy Jews (until the National Socialists showed up, of course). If one side proposes to mash you in to jelly and the other doesn’t, you know which side you’ll be on…and if it was an ostensibly Christian society which was harrying you without mercy, you’re likely to be opposed to strong manifestations of Christianity.
But this can only be taken so far. Regardless of all the bad blood over two millenia, there is only one thing Jews can do right now for there to be a future where Jews aren’t stuffed in a ghetto and periodically massacred – unite with the very Christians who once did wrong by the Jews. Why it took us 2,000 years to take to heart the Biblical instruction that salvation is from the Jews, I don’t know – but the human heart can be a very perverse thing. But we know better now – even if it only because we see a ghetto and a massacre for ourselves.
Certainly Mark; Jews and Christians should cooperate, like Marx & Engels.
I can’t speak for all Jews, only my experience with the the small number of Jews I personally know. We’ve had many discussions about this. Most of my liberal Jewish friends, that are old enough, voted for Reagan once if not twice, if that helps you get a fix on who they are. One told me that Reagan was the last presidential candidate he voted for; every other election he was voting against a candidate by voting for the “other”.
You’ll forgive my liberal Jewish friends if they gravitate toward a more secular and less religious form of government as they see it. Every time they hear an Evangelical Republican talk about how Jesus encouraged him to run for office, or how G-d wants Americans to have guns, they get a little uneasy.
It is still in their collective memory how the civilized world was offered Europe’s Jews before the Holocaust and turned away. It was barely a generation ago when the entire Arab world moved toward the destruction of their only homeland and the Christians watched on TV for Six Days while secretly hoping both sides could lose..
Jews feel no animosity toward Christians for being Christian; they only want a government that ignores that and behaves in the best interest of the people.
Secular Big Government Liberalism just makes more sense to a Jew.
Amazona should approve; they’re not Liberal-Democratic because of issues, they’re Liberal Democratic because of an over encompassing political philosophy on how best to govern.
Oh, Israel in the 1920s? I think you mean the Yishuv Community in Palestine.
“Amazona should approve; they’re not Liberal-Democratic because of issues, they’re Liberal Democratic because of an over encompassing political philosophy on how best to govern.”
Oh, goody. Does this mean that Jews are ready to engage in dialogue about the pros and cons of small central authority with power retained at local levels vs. massive central authority with unlimited power held in the hands of a few Ruling Elites?
I’ve been looking forward to that discussion, and the exhibits showing the successes and failures of each.
Sure, why not?
But first you have to find one willing to discuss with you.
Remember that I’m the fiscal conservative, social libertarian and not a liberal Jew. I understand them, I know how and why the Holocaust happened from their point-of-view, what conditions they were trying to survive, and how those that “fought back” died a quicker death, but a death nonetheless. (The Pianist is a fine example.)
You look at the world and say it’s all different now, Jews look at the world and say Nothing has changed, they still hate us,
The Torah teaches Jews that they are to live as good citizens in the country in which they reside, The Talmud tells Jews that they are obligated by G-d to not rebel against the ruling bodies of those countries; live in peace and scorn violence.
The Jew in America first identifies as being a citizen of America; that’s how they want to be seen. They want to keep their faith, that’s their affair.
They only know that every time a government is predicated on Religion ~ Any Religion Jews lose.
“They only know that every time a government is predicated on Religion ~ Any Religion— Jews lose.”
And not just Jews. Once a government is predicated on a religion—-any religion—those who do not share it are at a great disadvantage.
While it is popular in some circles to claim that the United States was formed as a Christian nation, the facts do not bear this out. That many of the Founders were Christian, yes. That those who were not had respect for Christianity, yes. That the underlying precepts of Christianity were essential as underlying precepts of a strong nation, yes. That the Founders believed in God, and that our basic rights are God-given and not controlled by man, yes. That to survive our nation must have a moral structure, and that Christianity provides a moral structure that will contribute to its survival, yes.
But I, too, cringe when our political goals are phrased in the context of religious dogma. I grew up as a Catholic, and I have read that there are something like 1600 Christian religions other than Catholicism. To entertain for even a moment that any nation could be, or should be, governed according to a religious philosophy which is so splintered, with so much internal conflict and dissent, is unnerving.
When I read the passionate—–and quite sincere—proclamations of those who link the politics of the nation with their personal religious beliefs, I see the other side of the coin of radical Islam. That is, that to be accepted one must first share a common belief, and then must agree in totality with specifics of that belief. And I see the intensity of those who link the nation to Christianity as exclusion of other faiths, and of those who have no specific faith at all. The clearest and most recent example of this was the handing over of the governing of the nation to a radical Leftist with the stated goal of “fundamentally transforming” it, by evangelicals who deemed a Mormon to be not quite Christian enough for them.
One’s personal religious belief should be the cornerstone of his personal life. To make it the cornerstone of his political decisions is foolish and dangerous.
Mark, are you reading the books of the prophets? Your prediction of Christ winning would indicate you may be. I agree, we know the ending, but middle and end will be a increasingly painful period in this world, we will not survive. I read a post – I can’t remember where – where a guy is calling for a secular 10 commandments on which to build a secular world ethical value system. It should surprise no one the secularists’ are counterfeiting Judo/Christian values by renaming it and claiming it as their own. That’s what Satan has done from the very beginning. They’re trying that now with marriage. God will not be mocked. There is trouble brewing on the horizon the likes of which have never been seen. Claiming to be God never works out well for the con artist(s) or their followers! Revival is our only hope.
This war is not between conservative, liberals, secularists, Muslims, Christians, Jews, or any other faction of Humanity. This war is between God and Lucifer and those who follow Lucifer’s example of seeing themselves as God’s equal will be victims of their own foolishness. Secularism is a religion of self and it was Satan’s heart’s desire to be like God too, worthy of praise. That is one of things that stick out in my mind showing Christ’s superiority, for he will vanquish them all as we and the Angels watch from the sidelines. Christ does not need assistance from lessor beings to bring about his kingdom and vanquish his enemies. That cannot be said of all other deities according to religious teachings of various faiths. The solution to our problems is not political, but is a matter of the heart. I don’t see revival coming s anytime soon.
“Rise up, O God, and defend your cause; remember how fools mock you all day long.” Psalm 74:22 “Some became fools through their rebellious ways and suffered affliction because of their iniquities.” Psalm 107:17
islam = anti Christ system fore told of….and we have a muslim where??
Depends on what you mean, I guess. I see a vibrancy out there – first off, a coming together of all Christians, a burying of those Great Schism and Reformation hatchets. Not going to do any of us much good to argue about Mary’s ability to intercede when the whole of Christian theology is under attack, right? First things first.
Secondly, I see a rebirth of fervor for the Faith. An astounding willingness of people to suffer for Christ. Our brothers and sisters living under Muslim rule are providing new seed for all Christians – if they can endure under that, then what are any of us here to complain of? We are a smaller people than formerly – to be sure, more than 2 billion people claim the name of Christian, but I’d put the real number of people who try in any way to live as Christians as closer to a billion…but from this 1 in 7 people in the world much can be made.