Conflict of Vision – Part Deaux

Retired Spook wrote an excellent article about a week ago laying out the differences between the left and right in terms of the polarizing vision each side has for our country and while I agree with that premise completely as it relates to the elite of the left, I think our differences with the masses of current leftist voters is simply a conflict of intelligence. I honestly don’t think that the masses of LIV’s really understand what they are voting for, and have been propagandized to the point of being so misinformed that laying out the conservative position and actually having it penetrate their skulls will be a tall task, but an important one. The Democrats have been extremely effective in dumbing down their messaging and reaching the LIV in easy to understand albeit completely inane sound bite policies, ie; “the war on women”, “tax breaks for the rich”, “equality”, etc., etc.. It will be important for conservatives, and for this country, that we reach these LIV’s with a message that will resonate and I believe that will require not only going into precincts conservatives would usually stay away from, but also speaking in terms the LIV can understand.

How about pointing out the 50% unemployment rate amongst black males 18-25 years old and calling it the “war on Black Employment”? How about pointing out the $500 billion cut in Medicare to fund the ACA and calling it “the war on Seniors”? Or how about pointing out the low labor participation rate and the drop in average income and calling it “the war on prosperity”?

We have to reach the LIV’s in 2016, and we have to hold progressives accountable for screwing up this country. All ideas should be seriously considered, no stone should be left unturned, and the gloves need to come off. The future of our country depends on it.

26 thoughts on “Conflict of Vision – Part Deaux

  1. Retired Spook May 13, 2014 / 10:36 pm

    I like it. Use their own playbook against them. It would make for a great billboard campaign. Can you imagine a billboard in the heart of the inner city that says in BIG, BOLD PRINT ARE YOU A VICTIM OF CONGRESSMAN (OR SENATOR) ___________’S WAR ON BLACK EMPLOYMENT? FIRE HIM!!

  2. Cluster May 14, 2014 / 8:30 am

    How about the denial of the Keystone Pipeline and call it the “war on union employment”. How about the denial of school vouchers and call it “the war on choice for the poor”.

    And if anyone needs a good example of the intellectual gap between conservative voters and leftist rubes, simply go and read some of the comments on progressive blogs. I can think of one in particular that is freakishly obsessed with B4V, childishly relies on vulgarity to convey their thoughts, constantly defends the indefensible, and harbors extreme fascist tendencies.

    • J. R. Babcock (@JRBabcock) May 14, 2014 / 9:43 am

      How about the denial of the Keystone Pipeline and call it the “war on union employment”. How about the denial of school vouchers and call it “the war on choice for the poor”.

      It wouldn’t really take much to turn the election this November into an historic bloodbath. All that’s required is to motivate enough people to simply turn out and vote for their own self-interests.

  3. Retired Spook May 14, 2014 / 8:48 am

    and harbors extreme fascist tendencies.

    I actually worry more about creeping Fascism than I do Communism.

    From Merriam-Webster:


    often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    We aren’t at the point (yet) where people who oppose the government are rounded up and hauled of the gulags, but intolerance of dissenting opinion has increased exponentially since Obama’s been President. When you have Leftists suggesting that “climate deniers” should be prosecuted, I think most sane people can conclude we’re headed down the wrong path. As I mentioned in the last thread, it doesn’t speak well of Leftist intelligence that they would think they could do something like that without some kind of violent push back.

    • Cluster May 14, 2014 / 10:05 am

      A full majority of Americans (62%+) believe that we are headed down the wrong path, but that does not stop the Democrats. In fact they are becoming more intolerant of people who object to their policies and opinions. Jonathan Capehart, an MSNBC commentator, actually said the other day that tolerance is “a one way street”, and that comment right there defines the current Democratic party. It doesn’t matter who you are, if you don’t agree with them, you are insignificant and don’t deserve to be taken seriously. That is the definition of fascism, and that sentiment is shamefully found every day on progressive blogs.

  4. Cluster May 14, 2014 / 11:22 am

    Dennis Prager just wrote an excellent article speaking to the “conflict of vision” between conservatives and progressives, and the following is an excerpt:

    Most conservatives, and just about all independents, have a huge misperception of the left. They think that the gulf between conservatism and leftism is primarily about means, not goals……….They don’t care because the left is not interested in prosperity; the left is interested in inequality and in the environment. Furthermore, the worse the economic situation, the more voters are likely to vote Democrat. The worse the economic situation, the greater the number of people receiving government assistance; the greater the number of people receiving government assistance, the greater the number of people who will vote Democrat. Therefore, both philosophically and politically, the left has no reason to be troubled by bad economic news. And it isn’t. It is troubled by inequality and carbon emissions.

    In the article, Dennis highlights many of the lowlights of the abysmal economic state of the progressively controlled state of California, to which our resident progressive Bozo is proud of. Indeed, progressives do not care about prosperity, let alone the basic economic plight of the citizenry or the country. They are myopically focused on the inane, and completely manufactured issues of equality and climate change to the peril of this great country and that is a political dynamic that must be confronted and defeated – at all costs.

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    • Retired Spook May 14, 2014 / 12:49 pm


      Prager nails it. The full initial quote from his article:

      Most conservatives, and just about all independents, have a huge misperception of the left. They think that the gulf between conservatism and leftism is primarily about means, not goals.

      This perception is wrong. It is their goals that are irreconcilable. And until conservatives, independents and the Republican Party understand this, it will not be possible to defeat the left.

      The bolded part goes to the crux of the “conflict”. Short of regaining control of the education system or a civil war, though, I’m not sure how we correct it.

      • Cluster May 14, 2014 / 1:03 pm

        We correct it in the same manner the left gained control of it – incrementalism. However, our timeline to achieve that will have to be accelerated due to the damage already done. We must take the Senate this fall to stop the agenda, and then we must heavily promote the young conservative talent waiting in the wings. People like Mia Love, Raul Labrador, Susanna Martinez, Scott Walker, etc., and move away from the Karl Rove’s, John McCain’s and Jeb Bush’s.

      • M. Noonan May 14, 2014 / 2:44 pm

        Indeed – the left wants a different sort of world. That it would be a dead and disastrous world doesn’t matter – they believe that a the world they want will be a secular paradise and they are determined to get it. Until we realize that it is all or nothing, we won’t win.

      • Amazona May 14, 2014 / 2:58 pm

        I see a difference between The Left and most sheeple who just vote Dem.

        The Left really do have a very different vision for the nation, very different goals, and an agenda that would make this nation into the same kind of wasteland of economic misery and loss of liberty that have occurred whenever and wherever this agenda has been implemented/

        But I still think most of those who vote Dem do so out of ignorance. The vote on issues without the slightest idea that they are really voting for a political system that has always proved to be a failure. These people do not have different goals, aside from those of letting Larry call Chuck his husband or feeling good about electing a black man as president. What they want for the country and for themselves are economic prosperity, individual liberty, and national security. For these people, though they do make The Left powerful, their core values and goals are much the same as ours, but they really do have different (though vague, hazy and often incoherent) ideas about how to achieve them.

        It is this befuddlement that allows The Left to manipulate them.

      • Cluster May 14, 2014 / 6:20 pm

        I am going to say that those on the left who share our core values are in the minority. It never ceases to amaze me that despite the real, disastrous and harmful results of Democratic policies, people still go to the polls and vote for them. Look at the state of CA. Democrats are destroying that state, yet people like Bozo and Watson still vote for them.

      • Retired Spook May 14, 2014 / 3:57 pm

        But I still think most of those who vote Dem do so out of ignorance……………their core values and goals are much the same as ours, but they really do have different (though vague, hazy and often incoherent) ideas about how to achieve them.

        Historically both of those assertions may have been largely true, but I don’t think either is true today, unless you consider indoctrinated and ignorant to be the same thing.

      • Amazona May 14, 2014 / 9:57 pm

        By “core values” I mean those I mentioned: prosperity, individual liberty, national security. The problem is that even these have been tainted by Leftist rhetoric, so that now prosperity is suspect and seen with a hint of suspicion, the incursions of the government into individual liberty are not recognized as such, and national security is redefined. Even with all of this, if you ask your average Dem voter if he believes in these three things, without defining them—“Do you want this to be a nation of prosperity? Do you think freedom is important? Do you want our nation to be secure?” you will get an affirmative answer to each of these questions.

        It is only in the details that the emotion-based confusion creeps in, the toxic influence of The Left in confusing, in some peoples’ minds, prosperity with a negative, such as greed, of liberty with anarchy or some kind of danger, of national security with oppression of the weak who “just want a better life”. So I contend that the core goals are not all that different, with the well-meaning, but that once they get beyond that basic level they fall apart, getting all tangled up in the rhetoric of The Left and the various traps set to confuse them.

        If you can convince people that anything negative said about “your side” is really only malicious in intent and without any basis in fact, as a general rule and understanding, you can be sure they will reject facts when presented with them. This is a very successful tactic, up to a point. When it becomes blatant, when it goes over the top, it starts to falter, and that is what I am seeing now.

        An example is the War On Prosperity, the battle in question being the War On Fracking. We once had a Lefty here bleating about all the hundreds and hundreds of citations on Google about a HORRIBLE “fracking accident”. Well, they were all about the same thing—-a tanker truck hauling frack water had a small leak and trickled this water down its lane on a highway till it was noticed and patched. To call this a “fracking accident” was like calling a famous Colorado wreck, more properly called a tragedy as it resulted in several inches of beer covering a mountain highway, as a “beer accident”. Another such hysterical link about FRACKING !!!!! was really about a place in Texas which truly had been made unlivable, because the oil in the area had so much unwanted gas in it that dozens of wells in a small area were flaring off, or burning, the gas. It was nasty. It was not fracking. So now the over-the-top hysteria has even the formerly convinced, or at least swayed, looking at these claims with a more skeptical eye.

        You can imply something mean-spirited by saying that a party cares more about profit and big business than it does about the poor, but when you claim that party wants people to die, you start to lose credibility.

        So I think the battle can be won, because I believe that for a pretty sizable number of Americans, more than enough to win elections, the underlying values are similar, and the battle is not to change values but to change acceptance of spite and malice as a political philosophy. I think we can make progress by not challenging a feel-good wish list (health insurance for the needy) but by saying sure, if the voters want to help with that that’s a fine goal—–it’s just not only not allowed to the federal government but would be run much better at a state or local level. And point out the V.A. as a great example of the federal government handling health care. The shift from what to do to the best way to do it is going to be the most effective way to find common ground.

      • Cluster May 17, 2014 / 9:16 am

        “Isn’t doing quite as bad”

        That’s a great slogan for Democrats. What an inspiring vision.

      • Cluster May 17, 2014 / 9:36 am

        That’s a great list and notice the bottom tier are all progressive strongholds – the bottom three? Illinois, New York and California. And what’s the progressive answer to business’s running away from you? Raise the minimum wage!!!

      • Retired Spook May 17, 2014 / 9:27 am

        If California was a giant swamp, no one would care, but Progressives have managed to destroy one of the most beautiful states in the country.

      • Amazona May 17, 2014 / 9:42 am

        I can just see the sign at the border, as you enter California:


      • Cluster May 17, 2014 / 12:13 pm


      • Cluster May 17, 2014 / 12:23 pm

        2016 Democrat Campaign slogan:

        Vote Democrat
        Aspire to Average

      • Amazona May 17, 2014 / 3:05 pm

        (COME BACK SOON)

  5. Retired Spook May 14, 2014 / 11:27 pm

    I’ve been thinking about Cluster’s idea of referring to the Democrats’ “war on (fill in the blank), and another aspect of that that would dovetail nicely would be to use the victim card that the Left is so fond of playing against them as well. So many of the groups that Democrats assign victimhood status ARE actually victims — victims of Democrat policies.

    • Amazona May 14, 2014 / 11:53 pm

      I think one sign of a major event is when the same ideas occur to so many at the same time.
      You and I talked recently about an email I wrote to you with some ideas, ideas which popped up within a day or so in a national publication. It’s proof, I think, that there are serious changes bubbling up, organically.

      • Retired Spook May 15, 2014 / 9:11 am

        It’s proof, I think, that there are serious changes bubbling up, organically.

        I guess we’ll know by November. Just like any new organization, the Tea Party went through a learning curve the first few years. The overwhelming victory of Ben Sasse, the Tea Party candidate for U.S. Senate in Nebraska is evidence that, the Tea Party is maturing in it’s candidate selection process. The fact that the GOP establishment is fighting the Tea Party every bit as much as they are the Democrats tells you everything you need to know about their motiviations. I think this has the makings of a watershed election year.

      • Amazona May 17, 2014 / 3:13 pm

        …..the Tea Party is maturing in it’s candidate selection process…

        Yes, I think we are past the “anyone but a RINO” stage, the Sharron Angle stage. There was some giddiness resulting from the original TEA Party enthusiasm, that led some to think that merely having some good ideas meant a good candidate.

        I know the purists would say they would stay home rather than vote for a RINO, that if the candidate is not absolutely pure he or she is not worth voting for, but if we get a few Ben Sasses we can have a few less stalwart Republicans in office, too. What so many do not realize is that there is great power in the letter behind the name. That is, when it comes to Speaker of the House status, Majority Leader of the Senate status, committee chairmanships and other forms of power and authority, it is all about the letter, all about how many R’s vs how many D’s.. So if we can focus on the big picture, on holding the majority status while gradually (hopefully not TOO gradually replacing GOP squishies with true conservatives, we can make progress.

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