Happy Monday Open Thread

Is Tuesday Doomsday for Cruz? Couple polls show him up in Indiana, most show him down. There are already stories about depression in Team Cruz over the prospects. We’ll have to see – and it is in the hands of Indiana. If Cruz wins there, he’s still got a chance…if he loses, then Trump is almost certain to be the nominee.

Did you know that per Israeli law, it is illegal for Jews to pray on the Temple Mount? I didn’t know that – and apparently the Israeli police are very strict about it – if they even see you mouthing a prayer, they’ll arrest you. To be sure, Muslims can pray there all the live, long day (and get quite violent if they think a Jew is praying). This just goes to show the extreme lengths the Israelis go to meet Muslim demands. As for me: let the Jews pray.

British commies march with banners of Stalin – naturally, Labour’s party leader is happy to be with them. Why is it ok to be communist? Why is Stalin considered something other than horrendously evil? Because of really, really good PR and the fact that the overall right in the West never got around to really crushing communism. We always accepted them as rational parts of the human scene, rather than treating as the anti-human people they were and are.

Related: Venezuela is proof that the left can kill a nation pretty quickly. Remember, Prog buddies, how happy you were when Venezuela’s late dictator insulted President Bush? How glad you were that we never managed to take action to overthrow Venezuela’s socialist dictatorship? Well, now the Venezuelans are looting stores for food.

Does Erdogan want his own Islamic State? Probably – but he’s willing to go slow, at times, to get it.

Related: and just my observation – I’m not too keen on the concept that our United States, via NATO, would have to defend Erdogan’s regime against foreign attack.

Will the military refuse to obey illegal orders? It would be a mixed bag – and the lower down the totem poll, the less likely will be disobedience to orders. Deeply ingrained in our military is respect for civilian control – so, the President orders it, then it is likely to be done, and while some senior officer might object, there will be a dozen willing to step in and carry out the order (never underestimate the desire on the part of some careerist officers to, well, advance their careers). This is not about a Presidential order to shoot civilians (ours or theirs). It is not really imaginable that an American President would give such an order – but orders to go rough on the enemy? To bomb something that maybe didn’t need to be bombed? To back a weapon system which is worthless? To make statements on defense matters which are in line with Presidential desires but not related to how things are? That sort of thing is entirely within the realm of possibility.

Prince is dead – and the government will now be taking more than half his stuff.

24 thoughts on “Happy Monday Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook May 2, 2016 / 8:21 am

    Will the military refuse to obey illegal orders? It would be a mixed bag – and the lower down the totem poll, the less likely will be disobedience to orders. Deeply ingrained in our military is respect for civilian control – so, the President orders it, then it is likely to be done,

    I’d tend to agree on things like waterboarding and other forms of “enhanced” interrogation, as well as killing terrorists’ families. I think most, regardless of rank, would draw the line at disarming and firing on Americans. It’s one of the main reasons I joined Oath Keepers back in 2010. We unabashedly list the illegal orders we won’t follow, and the vast majority of us are present or former military/law enforcement.

    1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

    2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

    3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

    4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

    5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

    6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

    7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”

    9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

    10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    The last thing in this life I would ever want to do is fire on another American unless that person is threatening my life or the life of another. If my thinking is not reflected across the broad ranks of the military and law enforcement, then we are probably too far gone to matter. If there are powers that be within our government who think that the American public will be controlled by brute force, then I think they are in for an unpleasant surprise.

    • M. Noonan May 2, 2016 / 7:20 pm

      I wonder, though – what with all the PC crap that the Obama-bots have been indoctrinating the troops with. Remember, they are teaching the troops that those who belong to “right wing” groups are just as much a threat as those who belong to Islamist groups.

      • Retired Spook May 2, 2016 / 8:06 pm

        Any troops who came down our little private drive will not find an enclave of right wing radicalism. Out of 8 households, all but one are retirees. Hardly anyone is armed anyway. As far as local law enforcement, I’m not concerned. I know the county sheriff, and one of his lead deputies is my cousin. They have already let it be known that they will not disarm the local citizens, and will do everything in their power to prevent the Feds from doing so. That said, there’s little doubt in my mind that we will be fighting each other at some point in the not-too-distant future. I’m not looking forward to it, but I just don’t see how it’s avoidable. Obama and his minions have done too good a job in dividing us and turning us against each other. The ones I really feel sorry for are the parents of useful idiot millennials who will be sent out as cannon fodder.

      • Amazona May 2, 2016 / 8:50 pm

        i’d like to think that people who volunteer for the military still do so because of love of country and sense of duty, so might not be as vulnerable to PC claptrap as college students, burger flippers, etc. That will no doubt change if we don’t start soon to do something about the wimpification of our military but for now I think it is, for the most part, a self-regulating group. I just don’t see the fragile snowflakes enlisting.

        Officer level is another thing, as by this time there has been a lot of culling, and I would hazard a guess that the true-blue “No BS” people drop out first. Dealing with this level is going to have to be a top-down effort.

      • M. Noonan May 2, 2016 / 10:14 pm

        To be sure – but if you want the promotions and the good assignments, there’s probably a diversity officer you’ve got to please.

      • dbschmidt May 2, 2016 / 9:23 pm

        Just look at the numbers of the polls which I still discount but do show an overwhelming belief in the American rule of law and way of life. None of the candidates can cause that pillar to fail no matter what indoctrination subjected to.

        In my humble opinion, Trump is, at best, a flash in the pan which will do as much damage as possible–quite unintentional maybe, to this country but he is a friggin’ moron.

        Cruz would have to be my choice of the pack of candidates but only because he has done what he said he was going to do–no more ~ no less.

        Kasich is a nice guy. enough said.

        Sanders has his voters because everything is “free.” They, his voters, are too stupid to realize how much free stuff costs.

        Hillary, aka. the HildaBeast, is the dark cow in this race and is poised to do the most damage to this country for her own gain as all of the others combined. They should build a new prison just for politicians that has no surface above ground and no keys to lose. Hillary and her husband would make fitting first convicts. “But she hasn’t been convicted yet” is the need for a CAB (Community Advisory Board) that has the clearances required to speak up when others cower.

        Gen. Petraeus and that idiot from Florida flying the gyrocopter prove that justice can and is swift when political influences are not involved.

        With all that said, so to speak, for every Obama-bot, there are ten or twenty that still believe in the founding fathers and what they decided so many years ago. That which is still relevant and the foundation of this country.

        On the bright side, if and if when the revolution becomes a necessity (not our choice but left to the morons of the left) we are much better trained, armed and willing. Personally, would like for it to be decided in the arena of political discourse and voting but I do not have a choice (but one voice) in the final outcome and hopefully quiet outcome that should follow–no matter who wins.

      • Amazona May 2, 2016 / 11:02 pm

        Mark, I agree, which is why I said that at officer level any change has to be from the top down. Fortunately, it wouldn’t be the officers sent out to impose martial law on citizens, and I don’t think the rank and file, the actual gun-toters, would turn on fellow Americans.

        Not yet. Give the military another four or eight years under the increasingly radical Leftist governance represented by Hillary and who knows?

      • Amazona May 2, 2016 / 11:06 pm

        DB, I agree with you on everything but your analysis of Kasich as a nice guy. I used to think that, too, but I have changed my mind, watching him in this election cycle. I now think he is a cold hearted political whore who is quite happy to contribute to the decline of the conservative movement out of a misplaced belief that he, somehow, will benefit. I’ve watched him very closely and have seen a mean spirited man under the genial pose he likes to assume.

      • Amazona May 2, 2016 / 11:08 pm

        Trump’s a moron, all right, and a lying charlatan as well, but what does that say about the people who are enabling his destruction of the conservative movement? I know what I think.

      • M. Noonan May 3, 2016 / 1:36 am

        I’m not sure what to think about them – well, the Alt Right people are definitely fools, and perhaps wicked fools, at that. But the overwhelming mass of Trumpsters? I just don’t get it – well, let me clarify: I get the anger and frustration. I feel that, myself. But I don’t get running to Trump when they had Walker to choose from…a man who actually attacked the Progressive foe, beat him like a drum, and enacted reforms which will continually weaken Progressivism in the future.

      • Retired Spook May 3, 2016 / 8:17 am

        But I don’t get running to Trump when they had Walker to choose from

        Walker spoke in whole sentences, and that’s waaaaaaay over most Trumpbots’ heads. A great example is the Trumpbot in this video who confronted Cruz at an Indiana rally yesterday.

      • M. Noonan May 3, 2016 / 8:48 am

        Saw that – and the response was, “wonder what he’ll think when Senate Majority Leader Schumer passed amnesty for President Hillary to sign?”.

  2. Retired Spook May 3, 2016 / 8:25 am

    Too funny! Liberal writer, Andrew Sullivan, used to get quoted a lot by the trolls who used to infest this blog.

    This statement from Chris Matthews had me rolling on the floor:

    “Democrats say stuff that is of high BS quality all the time,” host Chris Matthews said of Trump’s campaign promises. “But they don’t tell people they’re going to be better off.”

    • M. Noonan May 3, 2016 / 8:50 am

      Matthews knows his Democrats, I guess – people want to believe there is a way out, and the simpler the solution (the wall!!!1!) the better they like it.

      • Amazona May 3, 2016 / 10:15 am

        If it’s too long to put on the front of a ball cap, they aren’t interested.

        They like the short words and short comments: big brain; sad; beautiful; loser; liar.

        But what they really like is the smackdown element. They want a fight, they want it now, and they don’t really care whose blood is on the floor as long as there is some mud wrestling involved.

        Someone in an article I read this morning, it may have been Cal Thomas, said that right now he prefers a disrupter. That struck me as one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and believe me, in this election cycle I have read a lot of prize-winning stupidity. What do you get with a disrupter? Disruption. Gee, what a goal!

        Few organisms need to be destroyed so they can be “fixed”. I’m very glad my doctor doesn’t think she needs to “disrupt” my whole body to fix a specific problem, and that my mechanic doesn’t need to destroy my whole car to fix something. But here we have millions howling that what we need to “fix” our whole country is dismembering one of its political parties because some at the top have not acted the way some think they should have. Boy, talk about clueless ! The enemy is not the GOP, but that is the target. The enemy is the Left, and the Trumpbots are intent on tearing down its only serious opposition. Now THERE’S a plan for you! It seems to have fermented in some big brain, but the question is how he managed to sell it to so many.

        In the case of Trump, this big disrupter doesn’t even have a recipe for fixing anything after he has led the destruction. I guess he is just going to count on that big brain of his, wave his stubby fingers around, and depend on more of that Magical Thinking in which when he is in charge everything will be beautiful and everyone will be so happy.

        Well, the Left will be so happy, anyway. The more disruption, the more chaos, the more susceptible the masses are to the promises and protectionism of the Left, and without a Conservative Movement to rein it in, the Left will be the ones who are “so happy”.

        But the Trumpsters will get what THEY want, which is someone calling Hillary names and rolling around in the muck with her.

  3. Cluster May 3, 2016 / 12:00 pm

    This election cycle has forced me to look at things differently and one thing that has jumped out at me is that this election cycle is not about R vs D, or even conservatism vs liberalism. This election cycle is all about an elite political class vs everyday Americans. The “Trumpbots”, in my opinion, are simply your everyday Americans. Ie; plumbers, construction workers, coal miners, veterans, small business owners, etc., etc., who go to work everyday, pay taxes, raise their families, and watch football and bowl on the weekends. Many of them have probably never even voted before. These folks are not political, probably couldn’t tell you who the Secretary of State is, what the enumerated duties of the federal government are, or even what NAFTA stands for, but they do know that their way of life has been cannon fodder for the political elite over the last two decades and they are tired of it. And for this, they are labeled as idiots by both sides of the political spectrum and I think that angers them even more. Cruz, who is a Harvard educated lawyer and recently called a basketball hoop a ring, has no chance to connect with these people, nor does Kasich and certainly not Hillary. These “Trumpbots” are not ideological and from the looks of it they number in the millions and want to have their voice heard and like it or not, Trump gives them that voice. Here is where the GOP and conservatives are missing the boat. Instead of harnessing this energy, they are instead trying to demean it and kill it, which is counter productive. Conservatives, like myself, must realize that we are in the political minority in this country and I see this Trump movement as a gift and an opportunity to bring millions of everyday Americans into the party. The GOP and conservatives have always wanted to “expand the tent”, well here is the perfect opportunity and they are missing it. Trump will be the nominee and hopefully with a Trump presidency and a GOP Congress holding the reins, we can slowly begin to turn the ship around, because a Hillary presidency will surely sink this country into the quagmire of central American socialism.

    • casper3031 May 3, 2016 / 6:13 pm

      I would agree with you as far as who many of the Trump supporters are. And you are correct, you are part of a political minority. Can you expand the tent? I don’t know. Only if you are wiling to reach out to others and and meet hem half way. I have several friends and former students who are Trump supporters and I’ve found I can still have conversations with them as long as we treat each other with respect.

      • Amazona May 3, 2016 / 7:18 pm

        I guess it all depends on what is the basis for your “respect”. If it is a general sense of civility, then that makes sense. But true “respect” has to have a foundation that goes deeper than mere courtesy.

        As I have often said here, if a Trump supporter were to be honest about why he or she feels so strongly about Trump, I would respect that position even if I found it wrong. My objection is that the reasons given simply do not hold up to scrutiny.

        “He is a political outsider” yet he has been a part of Crony Capitalism, and bragged about it, and his only claim to being an “outsider” is that he has never held office. Aside from that, he has been part of the political world for decades, and used it to his advantage.

        “He is self funding so he won’t owe anything to anyone” yet he is using donated funds, and most of his “self funding” is actually loans made to his campaign, which will be repaid. He also charges for the use of his assets, such as cars and airplanes.

        “He is a successful business man and he knows how to get things done” yet he has had massive business failures, costing people who believed in him millions of dollars, and at least one of those failures also skirted the law and prompted federal investigations and several lawsuits for fraud.

        “He will surround himself with the best and the brightest” yet he has admitted that because he has, as he has said, such a “big brain” he will always come back to what HE thinks.

        “I demand a president who has good morals and character” yet Trump is an admitted whoremonger who used to go on the Howard Stern show and brag about the women he had bagged, about his demeaning and sexist grading of women based on, among other things, the size of their breasts, and was unfaithful to his first two wives (at the very least)

        “The right to life is of utmost importance to me and a litmus test for any presidential candidate” yet Trump has always supported abortion, still does under some circumstances, and still supports Planned Parenthood.

        “It is important to me to have a Christian in the White House” but Trump’s claim to Christianity includes misstating the name of Scriptural quote, referring to communion as “that little cracker” and never feeling the need to repent for anything.

        “Family values are very important to me” but it’s OK that Trump has been unfaithful to his first two wives (no info on # 3 yet) and bragged about his many conquests. It’s OK that his Atlantic City casinos were the first to feature strippers and lap dances.

        “I hate having low class people in the White House” but love the guy who is the poster child for vulgarity

        “It is important to have a true conservative as president” but it’s OK that Trump has only claimed to be conservative in the past couple of years, still espouses Liberal values and agendas, never gave much but token support to Republicans while giving a lot of money to Liberals including Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton

        “We need someone who will reverse the movement away from governing according to the Constitution” so I am supporting a man who promises to do exactly what Obama has done, and simply make laws on his own

        “We need honesty in government” but it’s OK if Trump lies, often and openly, changing his promises and claims from one speech to the next. If we are talking about Trump, lying is fine.

        “We need to elevate political discourse and get politics out of the gutter” but it’s fine to have Trump run a campaign that depends almost exclusively on maligning the character of every opponent.

        And so on. If you think that being polite to someone who supports Trump is the same as respecting that person, I just have to wonder what are your criteria for respect. I doubt that any of these conversations you have with any of these Trump supporters touch upon their reversal of what they have claimed to be the most important issues or values in their political decisions. I can have a perfectly nice chat with a Trump supporter about the movie Jungle Book, or the new restaurant in town, or whether or not the 2017 Honda minivan will be AWD, but that does not mean I respect that person’s honesty or values.

        Now if he or she has always said character doesn’t matter, values don’t matter, honesty doesn’t matter, he or she would vote for anyone who would accomplish what he or she thinks is important, while I would not agree with this I could at least say this person is consistent and not a hypocrite. But so far I haven’t seen any Trumpbots who have said this, No, they claim to have reasons that are blown sky-high under even the most superficial scrutiny. They (the alleged reasons) are fakes, are phony, and are cover for the real attraction to Trump. So far the only REAL reason I can find for wanting to nominate him is gleeful anticipation of him “taking on” Hillary Clinton in a sleazy, slimy, mudslinging battle. I don’t respect that. Not when the stakes are so high.

      • Cluster May 3, 2016 / 7:27 pm

        You may want to keep an eye on the downward spiral of your own party. Both parties have lurched left this election cycle but the GOP is at least still representative of the American principles of individual liberty and a free market based economy, whereas the Democrats have simply devolved into corrupt “central american” authoritarian socialists.

      • casper3031 May 3, 2016 / 10:56 pm

        A couple of the Trump supporters are former students who are voting in their first election. I doubt they have taken the time to research Trump and probably won’t. They are looking for a “daddy figure to protect them. As long as we communicate, I can at least ask them to defend their positions.

  4. fieldingclaymore May 3, 2016 / 5:32 pm

    What happened to the deep, talented and diverse GOP bench of candidates in 2016? HA, they had to appeal to the GOP base. Trump/Dice Clay 2016!

    • Cluster May 3, 2016 / 5:38 pm

      Yes it does pale in comparison to the Che Guevara party featuring two white 70 year olds. But fielding, you strike me as someone who does need a 70 year old woman fighting for him. It’s just a shame your mom didn’t abort you.

      • Amazona May 3, 2016 / 6:51 pm

        Oh, cluster,. you really didn’t need to go there. It is enough to notice that “Fielding”, or whatever his name is this week, is just a twit who thinks inanity is darling and who really strives to be darling. In a series of threads and posts about the vulgarization of America, it doesn’t help to add to it or illustrate it. Vapidity is not a capital crime.

      • Cluster May 3, 2016 / 7:20 pm

        So the abortion comment was too much? 🙂

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