Open Thread

Seems that Mueller’s people obtained a lot of documents and computers relating to Trump’s transition – trouble is, getting that stuff might have been illegal. Once again: shut it down. Whole thing stinks of corruption.

Don Surber goes over just how rotten this whole thing is – really, we’re talking about an Obama Administration attempt to undermine an incoming American President. That’s the subject which needs to be investigated.

Hollywood sucks. We all know that – but Michael Walsh goes into some details about why it sucks. Greed and stupidity, mostly. They simply don’t make movies – they make comic books on film for money, and then some nauseating, Progressive tripe for the Oscars. Of course, good movies could be made – if anyone wanted to make them. They wouldn’t be global blockbusters (or, at least, they probably wouldn’t – but you never know what might catch on), but they would make money, I bet. All it would take is some talent. I’ve even got some subjects that I think could be great movies:

Soapy Smith: this guy was like the ultimate con-man of all time. You could do it for laughs, or you could do it serious. Either way, its a compelling story which would be interesting to see.

Ernest E. Evans: posthumous Medal of Honor for his actions as skipper of the USS Johnston in the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The man had Native American blood, so you can play that angle. His ship was commissioned on October 27th, 1943 and sunk on October 25th, 1944: the crew was mostly recent-civilians but, my goodness, they fought and fought and fought until their ship was shot out from under them. You could research to find the stories of the men who served and have this fantastic combination of interesting characters and stunning battle scenes.

Ann and Josie Bassett: old west ranchers and associates of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. They were being pressured by cattle barons to sell out, and the outlaws helped them fight off the pressure. You can make all kinds of good stories out of that.

But, Hollywood won’t make the movies…because Hollywood sucks.

Governor Walker forges ahead with the complete reform of Wisconsin government – now tackling welfare reform. We’ll see what comes after Trump, and Pence is building up a lot of good will for a future White House bid. But we could do a lot worse than getting Walker as our President one of these days.

Trump wants to repeal the misbegotten Johnson Amendment – that law which supposedly prohibits all religious groups from engaging in politics, but which actually prohibits Conservative religious groups from engaging in politics. It was in the tax bill, but now has been taken out. Once again, Trump is seen as pushing for the more Conservative reform, while the supposedly True Conservative Congress is undermining his efforts. Some how or another, we’ve got to get 6 or 7 more GOP Senators next year so we can just overwhelm the Fredo-Cons.

88 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster December 18, 2017 / 10:10 am

    WOW !!! This is a must read:

    The Obama administration should be classified as a crime cartel.

    And travesty, you stepped into again and I will address your misguided musings at a later time.

    And spook, the article you linked to re” velocity of money was excellent, let’s keep that conversation going as we watch the new tax plan unfold …….

    • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 12:41 pm

      Well, let’s take a look at the Obama administration and crime.

      Not only authorized but promoted the illegal purchases of guns by straw buyers, having DEA agents instruct gun shops to sell to obvious straw buyers.

      Was complicit in having these illegally purchased firearms sent across the border into Mexico

      New AG Holder tells his attorneys the DOJ will not prosecute black on white crime

      DOJ looks the other way when a black organization openly advertises a bounty to anyone who kills George Zimmerman

      Gives billion-dollar contract to build the ACA web site to a firm not qualified to do the work (but connected to Michelle Obama) even when IBM and Microsoft offered to do the work at a low cost or for free—-and then made no effort to recoup that money when the firm failed and a new firm had to be hired.

      Approves billions of dollars in loans to “green” companies which also donated large amounts to the Obama campaigns, most of which then failed but did not account for, much less return, the money.

      Approved and participated in illegal surveillance of Trump campaign personnel during and after the election, with various administration appointees “leaking” information designed to erode confidence in the new president and undermining his presidency

      Weaponized the IRS to attack conservatives and conservative groups.

      It’s only a partial list, of course.

      And now this…….

      (This does not include things like ignoring the Clinton pay-to-play schemes going on while she was Secretary of State, or the president’s complicity in her illegal use of an unsecured server.)

      I’m thinking Matt and Mark might want to amend their book on Obama to add new information—-I’ll put Volume II next to the one I already have.

    • Retired Spook December 18, 2017 / 1:05 pm


      It’s funny that you should post the Hezbollah story on the very morning that Glenn Beck was wondering if the shady car dealership bought by the Awan family (DWS’s IT guys) was connected to the Hezbollah money laundering operation, which came to light about 6 years ago, but never got much if any national press.

      If the truth ever comes out, I think the Obama Administration will turn out to be one of, if not THE most corrupt in American history. They essentially turned the Democrat Party into a crime syndicate. I’d love to see Trump have to build a new wing on Leavenworth.

      • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 1:31 pm

        It’s not just that the entire Obama era was corrupt from its inception, it’s that in this age of mass information access his supporters have never had any reason to pretend they didn’t know. If they didn’t know, it’s because they made the decision to either avoid exposure to the facts or they chose to simply accept the Left narrative without question, both of which I find unforgivable.

        And BTW I mean LITERALLY from its inception—from its birth in the hearts and home of America’s guiltiest and most notorious (and loved) domestic terrorists to its advancement into Illinois and then national politics to the arrogance of its treatment of the birther questions to its blatant flouting of every law that should have stood in its way.

        As the Dem party moved closer and closer to hard-core Leftism, it also moved closer to being the criminal organization that every Leftist government has been.

      • Cluster December 18, 2017 / 2:10 pm

        Glenn Beck was wondering if the shady car dealership bought by the Awan family

        OMG, I forgot about the Awan’s. I think definitely there is a connection somewhere with this new Hezbollah revelation and the money the Awan’s were shuffling…..all the while working for the DNC

        WOW!!!! Just imagine if we had an objective media, this would be one hell of a story.

      • Cluster December 18, 2017 / 4:54 pm

        And BTW I mean LITERALLY from its inception—

        Wasn’t the Solyndra deal finalized within the first few months? And how about the union bail out ……… I mean the auto bail out.

  2. Retired Spook December 18, 2017 / 1:18 pm

    I wonder how Paul Krugman feels about this.

    • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 1:25 pm

      Too funny. Has Krugman EVER been right? About anything?

      I’ll bet the pit into which this prediction fell is where the Algore predictions of American cities being submerged by rising oceans disappeared.

  3. Amazona December 18, 2017 / 1:19 pm

    Mark, I looked up Josie Bassett and have to agree, the story of the Bassett sisters would make an amazing movie. Of course, Hollywood would have to screw it up.

    One of the ways Hollywood lets its PC mentality infest its movies is its determination that the white man destroyed the noble and spiritual tribes of Native Americans who lived in peace and harmony with each other and Mother Earth, blah blah blah blah blah.

    I was thinking about this and then the next link I opened as I went through my email newsletters was this:

    As usual, the comments add a lot.

    One of the things that went through my mind as I read about the atrocities committed not only by the Comanches but by other indigenous tribes was how contemporary black people insist that no people on earth have ever been so mistreated, so abused, so savaged, as the black slaves in North America (and, of course, how the treatment of today’s black Americans is only marginally better). Yeah, right.

    Yesterday I was talking to a brother and told him about the great Jeff Bridges movie, Hell Or High Water. I may have posted a link to the absolutely delightful diner scene from that movie—after watching that scene literally dozens of times I still laugh at it. There is also a brief scene about being a Comanche, both worth googling.

    • Cluster December 18, 2017 / 2:13 pm

      ……how contemporary black people insist that no people on earth have ever been so mistreated, so abused, so savaged, as the black slaves in North America

      I was reading a story the other day about recent violent flare ups in the Sudan and how women and children SLAVES were being killed while disparate factions were warring with each other and I thought to myself ….. wait a minute, this is a country founded and governed by black people. Shouldn’t it be a socialist paradise with liberty for all?

      • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 2:31 pm

        One can be and probably would be savaged for saying so, but for the most part black slaves in North America were not brutalized or tortured or killed indiscriminately. Yes, the very institution of slavery is barbaric, but in North America this usually took the form of things like breaking up families, forcing breeding to breed strong workers and so on. There is no way to sanitize or apologize for slavery. That is not my point.

        My point is that black slavery in North America has been distorted, as a subject, so much that the current, popular and for most part political narrative about it has little or no relationship to the facts. It simply did not represent the worst of humanity. It was not exclusively race-driven. If Russian peasants had had the same tolerance for heat and the same resistance to tropical diseases, they might very well have formed the core of slavery in the New World, if the Cossacks had decided to enslave them instead of kill them.

        History is full of examples of brutal treatment of other races, ethnicities, political opponents, etc. Chinese workers in California were probably treated far worse than most black slaves in the South, yet there is not that simmering seething rage and hatred of white people in their descendants. The absolutely vile and vicious treatment of prisoners, including many Americans, by the Japanese during WW II is well documented, yet Americans don’t loathe and distrust the Japanese.

        Today in this country people are treated rudely or discriminated against every minute of every day—-based on age, gender, appearance, education, attitude or any other metric, people are denied jobs, assumed to be guilty of something, etc. Yet there is only one demographic that clings to grievances about alleged discrimination, searching for a racial content in literally every single interaction with every white person, every movie, every TV show, every story written.

      • Cluster December 18, 2017 / 3:11 pm

        ……so much that the current, popular and for most part political narrative about it has little or no relationship to the facts.


  4. Amazona December 18, 2017 / 2:14 pm

    This is a fascinating, and thought-provoking article. And I think it is too true. When I think about the 70% of black babies born to unwed mothers, for example, I have to wonder how many of these mothers would prefer to have those babies born into solid marriages, with fathers to take responsibility for their families.

    From the article: emphasis mine

    Margaret Mead was one of the early anthropologists to study the social nature of manhood, which she presents in Male and Female. From her cross-cultural observations, she explains a central anthropological truth: manhood must be taught.

    “In every known human society, everywhere in the world, the young male learns that when he grows up, one of the things which he must do in order to be a full member of society is to provide food [and protection] for some female and her young. … every known human society rests firmly on the learned nurturing behavior of men.”

    Thus, across virtually all cultures, manhood has largely consisted of three essential qualities: procreation, provision, and protection. If the boy doesn’t learn these things, then he is not likely to become a good, selfless, serving man. Shame and derision from the community will become his lot. As Mead explains, “this behavior, being learned, is fragile and can disappear rather easily under social conditions that no longer teach it effectively.” Such domestic education can disappear within a generation.

  5. jdge1 December 18, 2017 / 4:34 pm

    That is very profound. The left however, wish to strip away both God and most all family values by forcing reliance on government control (i.e. establishment political & conglomerate control). And they’re doing this by confiscating money from the working income earners and valid businesses (OPM), under the pretense of “help” the needy, partly by giving false and misleading titles to every give away they create.

  6. Frank Lee (@trumpcowboy) December 18, 2017 / 4:55 pm

    Far be it for me to defend Hollywood, but I checked out your link and all the hand wringing about the Disney/Fox deal is overblown, as is the romanticized longing for the days when Hollywood made “good” movies.

    There are something over 500 national studio releases ever year (and a another 500 limited releases), if anything, the number of releases has been going up on average since the 60’s when the studios were forced to cut back because of the advent of television. There are far more movies released than any individual is likely to even consider trying to see. And this is unlikely to change.

    Yes, most of it is liberal virtue signaling and comic book stuff, but even an arch conservative who loves movies shouldn’t have trouble finding a dozen that would appeal to them. Or even one to watch a week. There are still westerns being made and war stories and historical stuff. But audiences rarely turn out for them. If they did in mass, Hollywood would produce more of them. People currently are only really turning out for the the superhero/sci-f/fantasy stuff, so it’s hard to blame Hollywood for making a lot of them. If anything, Hollywood is actually wasting money producing a lot of other stuff to feed their egos that they are still making real cinema. Add into it, billionaires and their children who jump into Hollywood and finance pet projects. There is a huge glut of movies being made and released in theaters.

    If most of them aren’t the kinds of stories you imagine Hollywood used to make (and frankly, Hollywood always made a lot of horrible movies along with the good ones), the biggest blame is likely to be television, cable and the internet. Character driven stories play very well on television because you have even more time to get to know someone, so it’s pretty hard to get people to turn out just to see interesting characters. Likewise, the days of going to a movie because some hot girl might slip off her clothes for a brief moment as been pretty much killed since people can see all they want of that on the internet. Given the increased quality of television production, it’s not surprising that it’s hard to get people to leave their homes and pay big bucks for popcorn for anything but expensive spectacle.

    Worrying about cinema being destroyed by the merger of Disney and Fox, or by the success of Marvel films is like getting upset that music is dying because the Hollywood Bowl was bought by the owners of the Greek Theater. Or that the Hollywood Bowl increasingly just shows movies with orchestral accompaniment, because people won’t go to straight concerts anymore. What sells tickets to the Hollywood Bowl has little to do with the overall heath of the musical art form and it makes even less difference if the owners control both the main Hollywood concert venues.

    Likewise, “Hollywood,” that is big huge studio releases that are marketed like crazy around the world, is a very specialized business. While like all big businesses there are a lot of idiots involved making stupid decisions, it is a business and it will either make money doing what it’s doing or stop and try something else.

    The tools for making movies have gotten cheaper and cheaper and the methods for distributing them have gotten incredibly simple. Hollywood isn’t cinema. There are tons of small independent movies being made that don’t get big studio releases but can be found on the internet easily. Virtually every movie ever made is becoming available, so whatever your taste is, it’s unlikely you can’t find something to watch.

    If you’re a fan of some particular kind of film or story, and you feel it should be made into a movie, then find some millionares to finance it. Or self-publish it as a book and try to create an audience for it. If you can’t, odds are it isn’t such a wonderful idea that it’s sure to make money to justify it over something else being produced. With digital technology, an independent producer can make a great movie for a million dollars or so that it would take a Hollywood studio 50 million to make. If there’s a real audience for it, there’s no reason you can’t make money.

    As for the liberal vs. conservative side of Hollywood, conservatives should just give up on Hollywood and create their own distribution network for the kinds of films they want. (That can include showing them in theaters since digital projection makes this cheaper than ever.) This is happening with religious films fairly successfully, and there’s really no reason that some smart people couldn’t do the same with pro-American pro-Conservative independent films.

    Or, just wait, it’s going to happen anyway. The technology is ready for it. The issue will be if audiences support it. If you love classical concerts, you don’t need to rent the Hollywood Bowl, find a cheaper venue and an audience. If you can.

    • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 6:01 pm

      Yes, there are some good movies being made. I just referred to one of them—Hell Or High Water. I loved it, only partly because it made Lefty heads explode as they called it a celebration of gun culture, blah blah blah. Even it had the mandatory predatory BANKERS (hiss hiss) as villains, but as I have spent some time in the part of Texas represented in the movie I got a kick out of it.

      I am talking about a couple of things. One is the determination to screw up something good. A great example is the movie “Master and Commander”. As a stand-alone movie it was pretty good. It even kept the message that it was the discipline of the British Navy (as shown in the appointment to officer status of a ten or twelve year old boy and the subsequent acceptance of his authority by the crew of the ship) that allowed England to dominate the seas, though that probably slipped right past the director. However, to one who has read the book—all 17 volumes of the Jack Aubrey series, written by the best author of the 20th Century—it was annoying, as the main characters were dramatically rewritten to satisfy Hollywood standards and to allow the movie to star Russell Crowe. In the series, Jack Aubrey starts out as a callow youth, a brilliant seaman though kind of an idiot when ashore, and is a big, tall young man with bright yellow hair and light complexion with red cheeks, and Maturin is older by at least a decade and is small, wiry, sallow and not very attractive. Hollywood made Aubrey the older man, and changed Maturin into a tall young hottie. When I love a character, I like to imagine who could best play him in a movie, and I pictured the young Nick Nolte as Aubrey and a 30-ish Ben Kingsley as Maturin.

      It’s not just Hollywood. There is a British production based (sometimes very loosely) on another series of many long books written by Diana Gabaldon. In addition to porning it up with abundant nudity and some graphic sex scenes, there are a lot unexplainable plot distortions and inventions, most of which not only don’t make sense but take up a lot of time for no reason.

      But back to the good movie/bad movie topic. My concern is the movies made for the mass audience, such as the Disney movies and the super-hero movies, which are directed at young audiences and which telegraph, not at all subtly, strong Progressive attitudes and beliefs. Disney is horrible. A great example is the butchering of the Arthurian legend to provide a plucky female heroine. I am far less concerned about blatant propaganda than I am about themes woven into stories that focus on a young market and include indoctrination into Leftist themes.

      Some good movies have been made which have strong themes I would consider quite compatible with American 21st Century Conservatism. The Mockingjay trilogy, which was at heart about the dangers of a massively powerful Central Authority and the subsequent loss of personal freedom, kept the messages of the books. Unfortunately, I don’t think many parents took advantage of the popularity of the books and movies to use them as lessons, so they probably just slipped through young minds as mere entertainment.

      • M. Noonan December 19, 2017 / 12:49 am

        I think I’m still just mad about the Lord of the Rings – which had some really magnificent movie-making, but which butchered the characters of Faramir and Treebeard…and I can’t see why; as they were in the book was vastly superior to the alterations made in the movie…and leaving out Tom Bombadil, while understandable, also grated on my nerves. Now I hear they are working on movies out of the Silmarillon…of which stories Tolkien really left no more than sketches, so they’ll be able to do more changes as they like. But the key to understanding Tolkien, in my view, is to understand that the great sin of his stories is those who become insolent with Pride. The whole story of Middle Earth revolves around those who want to dominate out of pride and the humble people who eventually bring them low.

    • M. Noonan December 19, 2017 / 1:00 am

      I’m on it – my novel has at the back of it’s mind a movie version of it. I think what irritates about the movies is that they do insert silly Progressive twaddle whenever they can. And they aren’t subtle about it like the Hollywood commies were in the 40’s and 50’s. And, you’re right, most of what Hollywood has produced over the past 100 years is pure garbage. Every now and again I come across some movie which stars really big names and it is just trash…something obviously thrown together just to give said stars something to do to satisfy their contract.

      But I do think that Westerns and war pictures would still be big sellers…but the fog of Progressive conformity prevents them from being made. A war picture can’t really have Americans winning the war in glorious victory…nor could a Western do other than show the American conquest of the West in a bad light. If I ever become a billionaire, I’m making a movie about Dakota War of 1862…our Progs bring this up because it wound up in the largest mass execution in American history: 38 Sioux hung on one day. But the reality of the story is complex and would illustrate a great deal of what went on in relations between the Native tribes and the people of the United States, good and bad, on both sides. There was the usual skullduggery involved in land and payments for same…but the Sioux did strike first, and struck hard: at least 450 settlers being killed in the attacks. I think it’d be a fine film, but it would have to show something that those who know history know to be true: the Natives were not sweet, innocent people merely oppressed.

      • Frank Lee (@trumpcowboy) December 19, 2017 / 3:01 am

        The problem with Hollywood is that it is basically too successful. It sells light (colored images). Most of the studios would make more money if they stopped making films and simply profited from their huge libraries. Over 50 or so of their profits come from the existing library, so their is just money sitting around for snowflake executives to play with.

        But, if they are going to make new films, why not focus on making films that can make 800 million, rather than ones that make 50 million? To make 800 million, you have to spend about 100 million in advertising, which also means it’s no big deal to spend 200 million to produce it. That’s still a profit of about 500 million. (Actually, about half since half goes to theaters). But still, why not focus on movies that can make a profit of 200 million a shot?

        There are only five major studios. The top execs can only really focus on about one movie a month, so that’s 12 tentpoles a year. Virtually everything else is just to fill in the machine. All the focus is on those big 200 million roll of the dice movies.

        While I think there is a bigger market for westerns and war movies that Hollywood appreciates, there isn’t much evidence that that market is in the 800 million range per picture. (And there are no toy sales, etc.) So there isn’t any real reason for the top Hollywood execs to focus on it. The odd western or war movie that gets made is basically a vanity project or labor of love from an established director, or producer, who usually is a liberal. Modest budgeted movies are just targeted for Netflix and keep the distribution channel filled.

        Westerns used to be produced by Hollywood because they were really cheap to make. Nowdays it makes more sense for them to be made for television. Could a producer make money producing low budget conservative style Westerns for a couple million each and maybe make 20 million in profit? Probably. But I think it would be best to try to do that outside the Hollywood system. Somebody should start a little studio in Texas or something and crank them out. We need a red neck version of Tyler Perry, who built massive profitable film and television studio empire out of putting on a dress (with two pistols in his purse).

        Worrying about the fact that Hollywood isn’t making movies with a conservative bent is like worrying that the New York Times isn’t giving Trump honest coverage. It’s kind of like, yes, and why is that surprising? The only real solution is to find other sources for news. Hollywood, the Oscars, and the Golden Globes, etc. They are lost causes. Might as well get upset because UC Berkeley hires too many liberal teachers. Give up on that. That battle was lost 50 years ago.

        So when I hear that Disney and Fox are merging, I think conservatives should react like if they heard that the NY Times is merging with The Washington Post. Oh, really? Good.

        Good luck with your book. Tom Clancy did a pretty good job of shaking up movies for awhile. I think there are plenty of opportunities for conservatives if they strike out on their own first. But the real answer long term would be to create parallel media channels. Hollywood is ripe for disruption.

      • M. Noonan December 19, 2017 / 5:14 am

        All true – but, then again, the studios are not financially healthy – which is why Fox is selling itself to Disney, after all (why anyone at Disney really wants to buy is another question…Disney will survive forever on Mickey Mouse, alone). I think it is actually poor business to go for the $800 million blockbuster which costs, all-in, $500 million to make. Especially with advances in computer technology, I think you can make a reasonably decent action movie probably in the neighborhood of $10 million; and probably make $20 million off it. Sure, you won’t be paying your stars $10 mil a pop but, then again, think who they’re paying that money to…worn out, has-beens, for the most part. Probably a thousand really good actors are languishing on the outside right now…lacking connections or what have you (as we’ve seen, of late) to get the parts. I guess, in the end, the revival of the studio system is what probably would bring health back to the industry…of course, we’d have to get rid of that silly rule which originally started to break up the studios: that they can’t own theater chains.

        In this day and age, even a blockbuster like the latest Star Wars movie will only be seen on screen by 10-15 million people out of a population of 370 million. Most, will eventually see it on TV in some form or another (I’ll see it when it shows up in a used video store and I get it for $2.99). I’m wondering if a really smart bunch of guys would make movies appealing to a genuinely wide variety of audiences and then only do a very short “theater-only” run and then make it available on line in various forms? Sure, you won’t get the $12 ticket price in the theater (or whatever it is these days), but if I could get 25 million to see it over six months in all formats, I’ll have made a tidy sum.

        Almost, in a sense, F the theaters…release it streaming right out the gate at $2 a pop. I do wonder – Matt and I sold a fairly large number of copies of Worst President…the price was so inexpensive that it was almost impossible not to buy. How much a risk is %7.99 or so, right? Most people don’t miss it. True, it wasn’t a Steven King best-seller, but it was also marketed by a couple guys making memes for Facebook and Twitter. Suppose you sold your movie at $2.50 a pop streaming on first run? How many tens of millions would be willing to take a peak at it for that low a price?

  7. Cluster December 18, 2017 / 5:26 pm

    So let me get back to travesty for a moment. The article was actually pretty good but as Amazona pointed out already, it is full of speculation with a lot of “may likely’s” and “probably’s” but a couple of things jumped out at me. For example:

    Most of the industry’s overseas cash has been accumulated by five companies: Apple, Microsoft, Cisco Systems, Alphabet and Oracle.

    This line is in reference to the $600+ billion the tech industry has off shore and isn’t it ironic that at least 4 of those 5 companies are extremely progressive, donate heavily to Obama, Clinton and other Democrats, lecture the rest of us on how to live, yet seem resistant to paying their “fair share” in taxes. Why is that travesty?

    The article goes on to mention the obvious, which is not 100% of the repatriated money will go to expansion and employment. Duh. But there was this as well:

    “This tax bill would be a significant shot in the arm for the tech industry,” says GBH Insights analyst Daniel Ives. Though some of that money might be plowed into technology development, equipment and hiring, CFRA analyst Scott Kessler predicts that tech companies would use most of the money brought back to the U.S. to repurchase their own stock and pay shareholder dividends.

    So aside from some expansion and hiring, the money will be used to pay dividends…..and where does that money go? Into the pockets of a lot of middle to upper middle income folks who then use it for vacation or other consumer items. So that’s a win. Additionally, buying stock back makes a company leaner which is a productivity and efficiency thing, as well as buying stock from investors who then have their capital back to reinvest in other areas… ie; velocity of money.

    It’s a good thing travesty no matter which way you look at it. And finally there was this:

    The left-leaning Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy notes that the lower one-time rate would amount to a corporate tax break worth $454 billion in the Senate bill and $458 billion in the House version.

    Not exposing our own domestic companies to punitive taxation should not exactly be defined as a tax break in my opinion. Especially considering that because of those taxes imposed by leftists, many of our own companies have left altogether for more business friendly environments, so the companies that have held on, should be applauded and awarded.

    • Retired Spook December 18, 2017 / 5:35 pm

      This is happening with religious films fairly successfully, and there’s really no reason that some smart people couldn’t do the same with pro-American pro-Conservative independent films.

      Actually, it’s being done with pro-American pro-Conservative films as well. For some reason WordPress won’t let me post the link I want. Just Google James R. Jaeger films.

    • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 5:37 pm

      The obsession with how much other people have is a feature of the Left. They obsess about how much others have and are distressed that they can’t control it all. They also assume the virtue and wisdom of being able to best decide how it should be spent.

      I caught that comment in the article that much of the company profits finally taxed at a reasonable rate would go to the stockholders, which of course would mean back into the economy. That would, no doubt, be spun by a Lefty as going into the pockets of a one-percenter who would then “swim around in it” and then save it instead of spending it. But it all comes back to the pathology of the Left, which is such a toxic stew of anger, resentment, bigotry and intolerance topped with the insolent arrogance of assuming the wisdom to know how best to do anything—spend money, allot charity, run other peoples’ businesses, tell other people how to live, etc.

    • Amazona December 18, 2017 / 6:28 pm

      We know there will be people who are completely in favor of letting the UN make laws for the United States and tell us how to run our country. “Nationalism” is the new hot-button insult by the Left, though it is usually coupled with the word “white” to imply that people who believe in American sovereignty over our own country are also white supremacists.

  8. Cluster December 19, 2017 / 8:30 am

    You all will not be surprised that I loved Trump’s speech yesterday:

    “Our leaders drifted from American principles. They lost sight of America’s destiny, and they lost their belief in American greatness. As a result, our citizens lost something as well, the people lost confidence in their government, and eventually even lost confidence in their future,”

    Even the panelists on MSNBC this morning had to recognize that the speech was probably a welcome departure from the past, BUT ……. of course they then had to light up Trump for not being tougher on RUSSIA.

    ‘America will lead again. We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but we will champion the values without apology,’ Trump said. ‘We will not allow inflexible ideology to become an obsolete and obstacle to peace.’

    Trump’s foreign policy is an A++

    And why would Trump fire Mueller?? Every day Mueller exposes more Clinton, Democrat, and Deep State corruption so obviously he should continue. Maybe one day the panelists at MSNBC will actually acknowledge that.

  9. Cluster December 19, 2017 / 8:48 am

    In what is now more undeniable proof that the majority of America media is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Democrats – the MSM is completely ignoring the Project Cassandra story:

    The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008 after the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed evidence that Hezbollah had transformed itself from a Middle East-focused military and political organization into an international crime syndicate that some investigators believed was collecting $1 billion a year from drug and weapons trafficking, money laundering and other criminal activities.

    Time and time again, the Obama administration sabotaged efforts of the DEA:

    DEA operations in the Middle East were shut down repeatedly due to political sensitivities, especially in Lebanon, according to one former CIA officer working in the region. He said pressure from the White House also prompted the CIA to declare “a moratorium” on covert operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon, too, for a time, after the administration received complaints from Iranian negotiators.

    The Obama administration WAS a crime cartel. The most lawless American president and administration ever ….. and the Mueller investigation is nothing more than an all out effort to hide the evidence and bodies by pointing the finger elsewhere. This much is for sure – if Bobby Mueller and his deep state team of progressive hacks try and bring down this administration, they will be destroyed by the American people – who are thus far remaining patient.

  10. Cluster December 19, 2017 / 8:59 am

    And this is why I watch Morning Joe:

    On Monday’s Morning Joe, co-host Joe Scarborough and his band of liberal misfits devoted a full segment of the show’s second hour to accusing Fox News journalists of trying to “inspire hatred that will lead to the killing of Americans.”

    Not only is it a good insight into the delusional mind of a progressive but it is comedy gold. Mika’s facial expressions alone are worth the price of admission. Additionally, it is important for us conservatives to be aware of this delusion thinking because the first step to curing mental illness is to recognize it.

    • Retired Spook December 19, 2017 / 11:00 am

      Mika’s facial expressions alone are worth the price of admission.

      You actually PAY to watch it? You might consider medication.

      OK, just kidding, but you kinda walked in that one.

      As I’ve said several times in recent months, I’m getting less and less worried by the day WRT some sort of violent societal collapse. For one thing, Trump’s policies are resulting in better times for most Americans, even the Leftists who hate him. America is simply becoming safer and more prosperous, and a lot faster than almost anyone dreamed possible. The ones being left behind are, for the most part, the marginal elements of society who always seem to fall through the cracks regardless of who’s in charge, ie., the ones Democrats profess to CARE about, and there just aren’t enough of them to start a revolution.

      • Cluster December 19, 2017 / 11:15 am

        Well the price of admission is zero, which is exactly what Mika is worth as a human being.

    • Amazona December 20, 2017 / 12:21 pm

      The thing is, of all the emotions that Fox and other media which provide alternatives to the Leftist scripts, “hate” is not even on the list. Disdain, contempt, even pity for those too brainless to understand how badly they have been led around by their collective noses for so long, even distaste for the ugliness that is being revealed—yes. But “hate”?

      No, hate is almost wholly a Leftist emotion.

      Timothy McVeigh was a psychopath who directed his irrational hatred toward the government of the United States. Sound familiar? Those morons who “protest” the national anthem may not be psychopaths, but they are directing irrational hatred toward the government of the United States. But back to McVeigh.

      He had some complaints and grievances, which he chose to blame on the government of the United States. His decision was then to strike out at the government, or a symbol of the government, in his case a building housing government agencies. He identified a couple of truly wrong actions—the killings at Ruby Ridge and the debacle at Waco—but instead of focusing on the agencies responsible, he blamed the entire government. And he struck out at what he decided represented the government. He was not a conservative. He did not act to promote any conservative cause.

      Who else has done this? Well, Lefty idols Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn are a couple of examples, mentors of the young Barack Obama and ongoing friends and advisers to him all through his presidency. Dorhn’s early notoriety came from her gleeful reenactment of the stabbing of Sharon Tate’s unborn child with a fork, running around on camera grinning and forming a fork with her fingers and making stabbing motions while praising the murders. Sounds pretty hateful to me.

      Then we have groups openly advocating the killing of law enforcement officers as well as George Zimmerman—-no conservatives in those groups, as far as I know.

      Remember Air America? I listened to an hour or so of it on a few different occasions, looking for something other than hate mongering. That was when I came to feel utter disgust for Al Franken as his rants were so reeking of irrational hatred and emotional violence it was nauseating. The show also featured other notable hate mongers such as Ed Schultz and some strident bimbo whose hatred was so overwhelming that she couldn’t get it out of her mouth fast enough—-to listen to her was to listen to verbal projectile vomiting.

      The people openly preaching hate, actual HATE, are all on the Left, screeching their loathing and proud of it. And Scarborough and his doxy are at the top of the list of Lefties who work very very hard to generate hatred, day in and day out. To have Scarborough, et al, blaming the Right for fomenting hatred is the height (or is that depth) of hypocrisy.

  11. Retired Spook December 19, 2017 / 11:12 am

    Isn’t the Democrats new-found concern about the debt comical? They’re saying the GOP tax plan will raise the debt by $1.5 trillion over TEN years, or only slightly less than Obama raised it in each of the YEARS 2009*, 2010 and 2011.

    * In all fairness, some of the 2009 budget deficit of just under $1.5 trillion was attributable to Bush 43, but not nearly all of it thanks to the omnibus spending bill and the stimulus during Obama’s first quarter.

    • Cluster December 19, 2017 / 11:19 am

      Obama increased the debt by an average of almost $1 trillion every year he was in office, so yes, the Democrats are a complete joke. They are honestly completely worthless human beings.

      • Retired Spook December 19, 2017 / 12:17 pm

        I was trying to determine just exactly how much the debt went up during Obama’s 8 years. It depends, of course, on whether you go by calendar year or budget/fiscal year. It also depends on which article you read or which government chart you rely on, because the numbers are all over the place. Still, the most widely use number is $9.3 trillion, the difference between January 20th, 2009 and January 20, 2017. If you go by fiscal year (October 1, 2009 to September 30, 2017) and you add up the annual deficits from this chart you only get an increase in the debt during Obama budget years of $6.53 trillion. Obviously there was a whole lot of off-book spending going on, to the tune of nearly $2.8 trillion. To modernize an old saying from Everett Dirksen, a trillion here and a trillion there, and before you know it you’re talking about real money.

      • Cluster December 19, 2017 / 3:53 pm

        ….a trillion here and a trillion there, and before you know it you’re talking about real money.

        LMAO !!!!!!

    • M. Noonan December 19, 2017 / 3:55 pm

      And we also know that the actual rise in revenues will be vastly in excess of those projected…it is true that we have to get a handle on spending (especially entitlements) and Trump, honestly, isn’t the man to do it: he sees no problem with debt. But we also know that tackling spending is something not really possible in Congress as constituted, and also not greatly desired by the American people where the rubber hits the road. The good news is that if Trump does succeed, then his successor will be Pence or Walker or someone like that…someone who will be willing to tackle spending and, with just a bit of luck, will have the prosperity necessary to do so (people enjoying a multi-year boom don’t need as much government assistance and thus won’t look unkindly on spending reform efforts which will, naturally, be cast as a deliberate attempt to murder poor people).

  12. Cluster December 19, 2017 / 11:53 am


    University teaches white employees how to overcome the ‘discomfort’ of being white…..A two-day professional development conference held recently at the University of Michigan included a training session that aimed to help white employees deal with their “whiteness” so they could become better equipped to fight for social justice causes

    • Retired Spook December 19, 2017 / 12:20 pm

      Thank God I live in an area where the color of our skin (regardless of which color) doesn’t make one feel uncomfortable.

    • Amazona December 20, 2017 / 12:35 pm

      There was a time when the phrase “social justice” might have had some meaning, but now it is just part of the ever-growing list of buzzwords and phrases that are essentially meaningless except as rallying calls to the rabid Left and its mindless minions.

      In true Orwellian fashion, the word “justice” is now defined by the Left as the injustice of judging and condemning people by the amount of melanin in their skin.

  13. Retired Spook December 19, 2017 / 2:24 pm

    Just heard on the radio that 63% of Americans are opposed to keeping more of their own money. Talk about jumping the shark.

    • M. Noonan December 19, 2017 / 3:49 pm

      It is an absurd poll – I’ve long questioned polling, but I’m suspecting now that like all things MSM, polls are being created specifically to advance a Narrative. Of course, I could be wrong – the GOP could be heading for a crushing defeat next year and Trump will be tossed out on his ear in 2020. OTOH…with the economy starting to really boom; with the immigration laws starting to be enforced; with ISIS on the run; with our military being rebuilt; with our turning away from a policy of appeasement in foreign affairs; with the exposure of massive corruption in Congress and the bureaucracy; with manufacturing coming back; with housing coming back…there really isn’t a lot for people to be unhappy about. I dig the concept that people might not like Trump’s style, but when I hear people complain about it most of it is complaints about how the MSM presents Trump’s style, rather than the style, itself (ie, people parrot the “I don’t like his tweets” but when pressed will admit that (a) Trump is only punching back and (b) the attacks on him are mostly grossly unfair). I suspect – I don’t know; nobody actually knows – that in 2018 and 2020 the Expert Class of People Who Are Smarter Than You will be shown, once again, to be ill-informed, bigoted idiots.

      But, we shall see…

  14. Cluster December 20, 2017 / 8:22 am

    Tax Bill Passed!!! And with the Obamacare mandate now repealed, the ACA is DEAD!!!! Thank God. And NO DEMOCRATS voted for the bill. Democrats are opposed to a healthy economy where people have freedom and choices.

    And in typical journalistic fashion, the media this morning is objectively analyzing the bill going over the benefits and projected economic stimulus, and …… oh who am I kidding? Morning Joe is in full fear mongering mode and bringing on Democrats to help them spin their position on the bill and wondering how Democrats can use this to win in 2018. That’s the state of journalism in 2017.

    The good news is that the Obama legacy, both domestic and foreign, is dying a quick death. Hallelujah!!!!

  15. Cluster December 20, 2017 / 8:47 am

    SPOOK – here we go. Can you say drug money laundering & espionage sanctioned by the Democrat Party?

    If a customer showed up looking to buy a car from Cars International A, often referred to as CIA, Abid Awan — who was managing partner of the dealership while also earning $160,000 handling IT for House Democrats — would frequently simply go across the street to another dealership called AAA Motors and get one.

    “If AAA borrows a car to Cars International and they have a customer, it was simply take the car across the street and sell it, and then later on give the profit back or not,” Nasir Khattak, who ran the longstanding AAA dealership, testified in a lawsuit. “There was no documentation… If you go and try to dissect, you will not be able to make any sense out of them because there were many, dozens and dozens, of cars transferred between the two dealerships and between other people.”

    Bobby Mueller and the media have no interest in this story. How long can they ignore this?

    Wayne Black, a private investigator who served as law enforcement group supervisor in Janet Reno’s Miami public corruption unit. “My instincts tell me Awan was probably operating a foreign intelligence gathering operation on US soil.”

    This is YUGE. And this story should take down the entire Democrat leadership, if in fact we had an honest media and an honest FBI. No wonder they are trying to keep the focus on Trump.

    • Amazona December 20, 2017 / 12:30 pm

      It’s time, or past time, to start speculating about whether the Dems who hired Awan and kept him on (and those who knew about it) even after things started to surface about him and his family and his activities were doing so out of profound stupidity or because they were part of “..a foreign intelligence gathering operation on US soil”.

      Those are the only two options I see and I think we need to push them into telling us which we should believe.

      But basically it comes back to the Democrat Party being complicit in all of this illegality.

      For example, the party allegedly knew its servers had been hacked at least a year before they said anything or did anything about it, and then they refused to let the FBI examine them (and the lapdog FBI said “OK” and sloped off) while they had their own hired guns do the “investigation” and then tell the FBI who was responsible. That’s when the lapdog FBI repeated what they had been told to say, and named The Russians !!!!! as the bad guys.

      While paying and protecting the Awans, who by the way didn’t need to “hack” anything as they had the keys to the vault anyway.

      • Cluster December 20, 2017 / 3:06 pm

        This story is incredible And even more incredible when you realize the media is helping them deflect and cover up this story.

  16. Cluster December 20, 2017 / 8:55 am


    Israeli Politicians Demand Obama Forfeit Nobel Peace Prize After Hezbollah Report

  17. Cluster December 20, 2017 / 9:10 am

    Let’s not forget how Mika and the MSNBC panelists addressed the sexual assault issue BEFORE the election:

  18. Retired Spook December 20, 2017 / 1:34 pm

    The Dems are often disconnected from reality, and frequently go completely off the rails in reaction to things that Republicans do, but I can’t recall EVER seeing them as apoplectic as they are in response to the tax bill. You’d think that Republicans just murdered 29,007 black babies. Oh, wait…….

  19. Retired Spook December 20, 2017 / 2:21 pm

    Tax bill passes the House — again, and is headed to the President’s desk. As a bonus — GOOD BYE OBAMACARE. One does have to wonder if Chief Justice Roberts was actually prescient when he declared that, in order for the individual mandate to be constitutional it had to be a tax.

  20. Retired Spook December 20, 2017 / 2:44 pm

    It gets even better. I didn’t realize this was in the bill until Paul Ryan said it on Rush’s show a couple minutes ago. More outrage from the radical environmentalist Left to follow.

  21. Retired Spook December 20, 2017 / 2:54 pm


    At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. On Thurs there’ll be a vote criticizing our choice. The US will be taking names.

  22. Cluster December 20, 2017 / 3:53 pm

    I will just leave this here:

    “What you are seeing in the United States Senate… is the ugliest display of pigs at the trough that I have ever seen in Congress,” MSNBC anchor Lawrence O’Donnell

    • Retired Spook December 20, 2017 / 3:57 pm

      Maybe our Leftist adversaries will work themselves into such a deep funk that they’ll all commit collective suicide. That would be a great Christmas present.

    • Amazona December 20, 2017 / 9:33 pm

      Caught a local “news” show on the radio today while driving, which mentioned the Left’s claim that ending the mandate will mean however many thousands of people will “lose” their insurance coverage.

      The Left and their media mouthpieces seem completely unaware of the fact that after ending the mandate if some people will not be insured (and remember, this is pure speculation fueled by political agendas) it will be because people will no longer be threatened or coerced into doing something Big Brother has determined they must do, or be punished. Once that oppressive coercion is removed, and people are free to make their own decisions, then yes, perhaps X number of people will choose to not buy insurance. It will be their choice. It’s a freedom thing.

      The Left portrays the terrifying specter of X number of uninsured as the inability of those people to buy insurance after the mandate is lifted, when in fact there will be absolutely nothing to interfere with anyone’s freedom to enter into, or NOT enter into, a business contract with an insurance company to pay for medical costs. We might call it pro-choice, though it is about a choice the Left doesn’t want us to have the freedom to make.

      They are not grieving for the loss of insurance for some people. They are grieving for the loss of control over all of us, and it stings. It really really stings. THAT is the source of the cries of anguish, and the frantic fearmongering.

      First union control over workers was weakened. Then we got a Secretary of the Department of Education who supports charter schools and home schooling, weakening the grasp of the government on parents and students. Now people will be able to make their own decisions on how to deal with health care costs. They can just feel the control slipping through their fingers.

      And, almost as bad, people will be having more money in their paychecks, more jobs will become available and pay higher wages, the unconstitutional governance by unelected bureaucrats running government agencies will be sharply diminished and heading for the dumpster—why, it’s just an avalanche of terrifying prospects.

      So sad.

      • Amazona December 20, 2017 / 9:39 pm

        And at the same time the Democrat Party has staked out its position as the party of open borders, both government and party participation in criminal activities and complicity in foreign nations burrowing into the party and having access to all sorts of confidential and sensitive information— through the DNC “hacking”, the hiring of the Awan family and the Clinton years as Secretary of State. They have laid claim to some very interesting territory, including reinforcing their ownership of Obamacare and leaving ownership of the revised tax code to the GOP.

        If I could think of another shovel to hand to them, I would, but they really don’t need any help.

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