Alex Jones and Stuff Open Thread

I’ve only ever heard of Alex Jones – and run in to some of his supporters on social media. From what I gather, he’s rather out there, taking at face value any conspiracy theory you care to mention and then weaving even larger conspiracies of his own. I gather – I don’t know: I’ve never listened to word one from the guy. Basically, the guy is unknown to me. But, a lot of people love him and a lot of people hate him…and now he’s being deplatformed by the social media giants because he said The Bad Words that the SJW’s don’t like. None of that is unexpected – and neither is the TruCon, NeverTrump contingent offering a nuanced view which works out to “it’s ok the SJW’s got that guy off the web.” In other words, our Muh Principles Conservative betters are eager to surrender to the left, as usual.

Lots of heated rhetoric has been issued over this, but anyone with a brain knows what is happening: the left has chosen a marginal case to make their first move into overt censorship of non-left views. It is said that Jones has said some outrageous things, and I’ll bet that he has. And for the weak-kneed on the right, this makes it impossible to defend Jones. “I don’t want my Progressive friends thinking I’m like that! Icky poo! Bad, bad Non-Expert!”. But, I’ll defend him – I have to. As an individual, what happens to him is unimportant, but as a symbol – and a harbinger – we simply can’t let this one slide. If we do, then the left will just go to the next and the next and the next non-left opinion which is “too extreme” to be tolerated. Eventually, the only non-left opinions allowed will be the tame TruCon surrender-at-all-costs opinions (and don’t think this isn’t desired by the TruCons…its just what they want: all of us gone, them at the top of the Conservative heap, slowly surrendering to Progressive views).

The solution to this is to start putting the regulatory pressure of the government against the social media giants. This is a difficult step for small government Conservatives, but it is a pill we’ll have to swallow. The social media giants have deliberately turned themselves into an arm of the political left, and they must be treated as such. My preferred option is to break up the giants into several, smaller and competing entities…but, absent that, we need government rules ensuring that everyone has equal access to social media and, so, government prescribed rules for when an account can be deplatformed (you can see why this is my second option: eventually, the left might get the government power to make such rules…much better, in my view, to merely have smaller social media companies). For more opinion on this, here’s Legal Insurrection.

Democrats had been hoping for a special election win in Ohio and got disappointed…outside of the dollop of liberal tears this provided for us, I don’t think it means much. Democrats have done very well in the special elections overall, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into general election results. Thing about this one – it kinda sneaked up on us. I’m pretty observant about politics, but I don’t recall even hearing a whisper about it until special election day…I think the Dems and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were hoping to win this one quietly and then blast it to the rafters as proof that Trump is doomed…but an alert Trump and GOP pounced on it and made sure the GOP pulled out a low-turnout victory.

There’s a Twitter account called Sweet Meteor O’Death…a satirical account which had its very best days during the 2016 election when it was a candidate for President. Anyways, the account Tweeted out this:

Kill all the white people. And all the other people. And everything that’s alive. Except deep-sea, sulfur-oxidizing bacteria.

You get it. I get it. Twitter locked the guy’s account for 12 hours. Meanwhile, the New York Times’ new columnist’s racist rants are still there on Twitter for all to see.

Victor Davis Hanson is smart and everyone should listen to him. The thing is that everything has happened before. And if you don’t realize that, and also realize that everything can turn on a dime, you’ll always end up looking like a fool.

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19 thoughts on “Alex Jones and Stuff Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook August 8, 2018 / 10:39 am

    Like you I’ve never sought out Alex Jones or visited his website, InfoWars, on purpose. I’ve watched a few Joseph Paul Watson videos that originated on InfoWars and were linked to at Oath Keepers’ website. Watson is often interesting to listen to.

    • Amazona August 9, 2018 / 11:34 pm

      I’ve never sought out Alex Jones but then I am a little picky about who I listen to. I think Mark Levin is really brilliant and a great author, but his radio show is a little too snotty for me—–a man of that intellect should not be referring to public officials as “pubic officials”.

      Just because we are on the right side politically—that is, both Right and correct—-doesn’t mean we don’t have some seriously obnoxious people, and I don’t think Jones is any more “dangerous” than the late and unlamented Ed Schultz and his ilk. Jones is just a radio personality, not an elected official like Mad Max Waters, and is less toxic than she is.

      The thing is, I have heard that some of the stuff he has presented is legitimate. He is just such an over the top blowhard he undermines his credibility.

  2. Retired Spook August 9, 2018 / 12:46 pm

    Anyone else sense another Al Franken style victory (ie., keep finding votes until the Democrat wins) for the Dems in the Ohio House District 12 special election?

  3. Retired Spook August 9, 2018 / 12:53 pm

    You don’t suppose it’s possible that Democrats cheated in the Ohio 12 special election? And lest someone accuse me (as Republicans are often accused) of attempting to suppress the vote, if someone can find 170 voters in Ohio 12 over the age of 116, I will travel the 100 or so miles and drive each and every one of them to the polls in November, regardless of party affiliation.

    • Amazona August 9, 2018 / 11:28 pm

      I’ll join you. That will be a hell of a party bus, won’t it? We can hire a gramophone and spike the Ensure.

    • Amazona August 9, 2018 / 11:40 pm

      Soros pledged $5 million to fund Clinton campaign attorney Marc Elias’s efforts to fight voter ID laws in Ohio and two other states ahead of the 2016 election.

      For $5 million he could have paid people to pick up those poor people who don’t have photo IDs (but manage to cash their SS and welfare checks, but I digress) and take them to the necessary offices to get them documented. The totally non-racist Left believes that minorities are too stupid to be able to read or write, but they could volunteer to guide them through the process to get them some kind of photo ID.

      • M. Noonan August 9, 2018 / 11:42 pm

        We have to stop Russian election meddling by not requiring anyone to show ID to vote…yeah, the left is that stupid.

    • M. Noonan August 9, 2018 / 11:41 pm

      As Instapundit pointed out today: the GOP never finds votes in a close election. Funny, huh? Just like all MSM “mistakes” all work to harm the GOP or help the Democrats, never the other way around.

  4. Amazona August 9, 2018 / 11:27 pm

    “This is a difficult step for small government Conservatives, but it is a pill we’ll have to swallow. The social media giants have deliberately turned themselves into an arm of the political left, and they must be treated as such. “

    I think these internet forums clearly qualify as interstate commerce, so I don’t get too queasy about federal intervention.

    As you point out, they have chosen to act as political agents, and given their reach and power can’t be allowed to censor opinions and perspectives of opposing political beliefs. More important, they can’t be allowed to censor access to information about events, history and so on.

    I think the censoring of the expose of the evils of Communism was a clear signal of the Left watching out for its own. This is history, this is fact, this is what people actually went through. It is not some propaganda created to shift the emotions of people.

    • M. Noonan August 9, 2018 / 11:37 pm

      The main thing is that the left is fully aware that the more alternate views get aired, the more likely they are to lose. Some TruCons have argued that we should eschew this battle and win the battle of ideas. My answer to that is: we already won. No one seeks to censor defeated ideas…they seek to censor victorious ideas. I don’t want to do this – but I can’t, as a Conservative, afford to have anti-left views suppressed on social media.

      • Amazona August 9, 2018 / 11:51 pm

        No one seeks to censor defeated ideas…they seek to censor victorious ideas.

        Bingo! There’s another great bumper sticker.

        I keep whining that the Right should mount a nationwide campaign of bumper stickers and billboards, with a single message prevailing for a month or two and then replaced with another. Have people sign up for $50 a year or so to get a new bumper sticker every month.

        Take our messages and shove them right down the throats of the masses who don’t listen to anything but network “news” and who just swallow whatever they are fed, but who drive every day. So let them sit in traffic and digest a message like this one. Let them see these messages on billboards on the way to work or vacation.

        Glenn Beck was once bemoaning the cost of billboard advertising and an independent trucker called in and pointed out that there are hundreds of thousands of independent truckers, who tend to be conservative, who drag around long billboard behind their trucks every day, so why not have them carry messages? I thought that was brilliant.

        I can see overtly political messages creating road rage and vandalism and so on, but there are a lot of simple messages that would just get people thinking. I have always thought that flooding the nation with a copy of the 10th Amendment a couple of months before a presidential election would be very effective. It would take a while to sink in, but I think after seeing it on bumper stickers and billboards and semi trailers for a month or so people would start to think about it, and talk about it. And it is not overtly divisive. Print it in nice clear calligraphy on a parchment-like background, send bumper stickers to registered Republicans, buy some billboards, and mail out big glossy postcards to Independents. I’d donate to a GOP fund for something like that.

    • M. Noonan August 9, 2018 / 11:39 pm

      Apparently, he has been right about some things – in fact, I’ll bet that most of what he says is either demonstrably true or at least reasonably arguable. But, yeah, then there’s the over the top stuff…which gains him fame, but which doesn’t really serve any cause he says he’s in favor of. One doesn’t have to be crazy, after all, to point out that the left is insane and does a whole bunch of really evil and/or really stupid things.

  5. Cluster August 11, 2018 / 10:37 am

    God Bless Candace Owens

    • Retired Spook August 11, 2018 / 10:51 am

      Candace Owens is one of the brightest shining lights on the Conservative side. It’s one thing to be able to articulate conservative principles and the difference between Conservatism and Progressivism in writing, but she is also skilled at doing it verbally and doing it as well or better than the vast majority of her peers.

  6. Retired Spook August 11, 2018 / 10:44 am

    Excellent speech by Dinesh D’Sousa along with a trailer from his new movie, Death of a Nation.

  7. Amazona August 11, 2018 / 10:16 pm

    It just gets better and better. We have Fauxchahontas thinking that if one vicious angry harridan could have a shot at the White House maybe she can, too. We have Prudential Joe Biden (my name for him because he was Obama’s insurance policy against being assassinated) thinking of running, after his nap. And now we have the often-disgraced attorney for the porn actress (I refuse to call her a porn “star”) Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, saying he might run for the presidency. I’m assuming Hillary and Bernie will be back as well.

    Finally, a Dem presidential debate worth watching.

    • Cluster August 12, 2018 / 9:49 am

      Can you imagine Warren, Sanders, Clinton, and Biden all trying to “out left” each other and trying to convince their intolerant base how “diverse” they all are while being old white heterosexuals.

      Now that ought to be fun

      • Amazona August 12, 2018 / 1:48 pm

        Actually, I think there are a lot of questions about just how hetero Hillary is, going back for years.

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