Mueller Time Open Thread

The long-awaited report dropped today – which I think rather odd as this could have been wound up six months ago, or six months from now. I suspect the timing has to do with our new Attorney General, who seems to bear no feelings of loyalty to Mueller. Be that as it may, no one outside of high, official circles knows what is in it…but in keeping with Team Mueller, leaks abound. Apparently, there are no more indictments coming down. And, so, we’ve finished with Mueller and no one (other than an alleged Russian bot-farm) has been indicted for things relating to the 2016 campaign. We’re done here – not that liberals will take it that way.

Looking around Twitter, I had a ball – liberals in tears or trying to buck themselves up with ever more bizarre theories about how all of this will still work out to Trump being arrested any day, now. As I noted – and so did a lot of other people, including our Matt – this is just like Election Night, 2016, all over again.

The Democrats will keep this going, because their base is going to insist – but the longer they go, the more I suspect it’ll backfire on them. Unless absolute, rock solid proof of Trump illegality comes up, the people outside Democrat fever swamps will grow increasingly impatient and sympathetic to Trump.

39 thoughts on “Mueller Time Open Thread

  1. JeremiahTMM March 22, 2019 / 11:38 pm

    Well, I like Senator Grahams proposal. Now we need a new special council to investigate the other side of the story, we need investigate President Trumps accusers, investigate uranium one, investigate the bejeebees out of the Democrats. And hang em for treason. Cause there was a coup you see, and they all need to be stripped of every shred of privacy, dignity that they have. Exposed , so the world may know the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help them God.

  2. Cluster March 23, 2019 / 9:04 am

    I am waiting for the apologies. Everyday if not every hour for over 2 years, we have had media members and elected representatives emphatically saying that Trump and his family would be indicted on anything from money laundering to collusion with Russia. The Democrat media and Democrat representatives did their best to convince Americans that Trump was a puppet of Putin and we can never let them forget that. We need to demand accountability. I want some media people fired and I want to see some resignations from Congress. Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, and Gerry Nadler are bald faced liars and should resign in shame.

    And I agree with Jeremiah … time to turn the tables and start investigating them.

  3. Cluster March 23, 2019 / 9:25 am

    Here’s the next Democrat “outrage”

    We want it now! Top Democrats urge Bill Barr to release Mueller’s report to the public ‘swiftly’, insist Congress is given access to all the evidence, and demand that the White House are barred from interfering

    They will claim that the report was not released fast enough or complete enough and will start to attack Barr and Mueller. This will lead to more investigations because that’s what they do in fascist banana republics and make no mistake about it …. Democrats LOVE fascist banana republics. That’s who they are.

    And Virginia is still (D)irty

    • Retired Spook March 23, 2019 / 9:37 am

      Trump has already called for release of the entire report, and Barr has said he will release as much as he can, taking into account the privacy of individuals involved who have not been indicted, certain classified sources and methods and grand jury testimony that hasn’t been subject to cross examination. Nothing will be enough for the Donkeys, but I also don’t think they have a clue as to the self-inflicted electoral damage they will sustain should they continue down this scorched earth path.

      • Amazona March 23, 2019 / 11:19 am

        I saw a headline when I turned on my computer this morning saying that now the prosecution of Trump will move to SDNY. They are not going to quit, They have committed themselves to overturning the last election by any means possible and they are truly insane about it.

      • Mark Moser March 26, 2019 / 11:00 am

        They really have no choice, but to continue the charade or admit their are lying political hacks who participated in spreading lies to aid a coup against the president of these United States. They won’t do that, ever. No admission, so no apologies will be offered because the ends justify the means.
        No, nothing will be enough, So, they scream for the report to be released in full, a demand they know can’t be met legally or if it is, they’ll be asking for the resignations of those republicans who’ve broken the law and complied with their demands. I’m looking forward to the grilling of the AG and Mueller will take in this Kabuki theatrical production. They’ll posture and ask question designed to make it appear they know the “fix was in” and these boys got some serious explaining to do, as cover for their lying to their constituents for the last several years. It must be these people, they’ll explain, a sitting congressman would never do something like this. How dare you even suggest such a charge against such esteemed leaders of the free world.
        It will only be free as long as they don’t get their way. Yes, we need special counsels plural. They need something to do. I’d suggest defending themselves might refocus their efforts on the importance of serving the people, rather than dictating their agenda. Resignation are in order here!!!

      • M. Noonan March 26, 2019 / 11:24 am

        I think that several special counsels would be in order – and I think it can be done in a way impervious to the charge of partisan witch hunt (not that it would stop the Democrats from claiming such; but, who cares what they think?).

        I’d like to see:

        1. A Special Counsel to investigate any and all illegal foreign money entering US politics.
        2. A Special Counsel to investigate apparent different treatment meted out to people based on their political affiliation.
        3. A Special Counsel to investigate widespread leaking of classified information to the press.

        All three of those cover activities which are illegal; all would drag in at least a few GOPers along with a lot of Democrats; and all three would go a long way towards cleaning up DC.

      • Amazona March 26, 2019 / 8:16 pm

        Just keep walking back the illegal server thing.

        1. Hillary knew it was illegal. She signed four different confidentiality agreements—one for each term Bill served as governor, one as a Senator and one as Secretary of State. She knew what a legitimate government email address looked like.
        2. Many—dozens, hundreds, ???—also signed the same agreement, also knew what a government email address looked like, yet communicated with her, on government and often confidential or classified subjects, on what was obviously NOT a legal, government, email address.

        I think every single person who used that server who also signed that document explaining the legal requirement to protect sensitive information should be hit with an arrest warrant. Every single one. Including Barack Obama, who not only communicated with his Sec State on an illegal server but did so using an alias, proving that he knew it was illegal. All of them. Simultaneously, with no warning.

        These prosecutions would be slam dunks. In every case there would be the signed agreement, the Espionage Act law, and the actual email sent from each of these people.

        If we want to send a message that no one is above the law, then go after EVERY ONE of those who knowingly, repeatedly, broke it. Each of them is guilty.

        That would send a strong message and be an easy first step, while preparing indictments of the co-conspirators in the FISA court crimes.

        It would be a hoot to appoint Mueller to investigate Hillary using the same language used to appoint him to investigate Trump—that is, if he wouldn’t already be neck deep in investigations into his own crimes. But seriously—wouldn’t that be wonderful?

    • Ryan Murphy March 25, 2019 / 8:19 am

      The whitehouse IS barred not ARE barred. The White House is a singular entity. If you want to say ‘members of the administration are’ fine. But the White House ‘is’.

  4. Amazona March 23, 2019 / 11:39 am

    We can look at the reaction of Adam Schiffhole: From RedState

    “The report itself, as important as it will be, is not as important as the underlying evidence. Evidence that a U.S. person or anyone around him may be acting in the foreign interest of an adversary and not in the interest of an adversary. Is U.S. policy being distorted for financial or other reasons?”

    Of course this is incoherent—-it’s the Schiffhole talking. “Evidence that a U.S. person or anyone around him may be acting in the foreign interest of an adversary and not in the interest of an adversary.” Huh?

    And WHAT “U.S. policy” might have been “distorted”?

    But basically he is saying, now, that whatever the report says, it won’t really matter because…..TRUMP

    He also referred to the open investigations in the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of Virginia that may lead to indictments. For Adam Schiff, this is not over.

    As for a U.S. person or anyone around him (or her) may be acting in (a) foreign interest I have two words: Uranium One. Or the end run around the CIA to ship Stinger missiles to Syrian rebels through Benghazi.

    We need to remember that all this hysteria, while certainly focused on getting rid of Trump by sliming him so thoroughly he will lose in the next election, is also focused on doing whatever the Left can do to protect Hillary and the co-conspirators associated with the FISA court crimes and other abuses of federal power. As long as they can pretend that any action toward holding any of these criminals to account for their crimes is really just “obstruction of justice” to block or hinder prosecution for crimes committed by Trump, they are providing cover for them.

    • Cluster March 23, 2019 / 1:00 pm

      You can’t fix stupid:

      Beto O’Rourke says he still believes ‘beyond a shadow of a doubt’ that Trump conspired with Russia to rig the 2016 election

      • JeremiahTMM March 23, 2019 / 3:41 pm

        Ain’t Beto O’Rourke the one that fed his wife a baby turd? And, who himself ate dirt, as a “cleansing”? And then also, ain’t he the one that jumps up on tables everywhere he speaks? He likes to put himself on a pedestal.

        Then he has the nerve to call Trump “deranged”? ROTFL!

      • Amazona March 23, 2019 / 7:47 pm

        So Robert Francis believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mueller is so incompetent that even with all the resources of every agency of the federal government and even the State of New York he couldn’t find an iota of proof that Trump “conspired with Russia to rig the election”. Note his insertion of the word “rig”, which is a level above “interfering”, which was what Mueller was supposed to uncover.

        I wonder if Bobby Frank has any evidence, and if he does why didn’t he produce it for the evidently hapless bumbling Mueller? Who was, until yesterday, the most brilliant and talented investigator like, you know, like in the whole wide world.

      • JeremiahTMM March 23, 2019 / 9:23 pm

        Obviously he doesn’t have any proof of his assertions, but like all Democrats it’s his word over the word of those who have all the information, did all the research, listened to all the testimony, read hundreds of documents, and come to their conclusion of no collusion. Yes, it’s Betos word above theirs, because this tiny little voice in his head, whispered, and said “do it, tell them he did it, them he conspired with the Русский’s”

        And that little voice, was none other than the devil.

        Really concerning about Mr. Francis is his love of Lenin and Stalin …

  5. Cluster March 23, 2019 / 2:42 pm

    Just another day in the land of progressives:

    The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is a “highly profitable scam” that “never lived up to the values it espoused,” according to former SPLC staffer Bob Moser.

    The New Yorker on Thursday published a scathing essay from Moser, now a Rolling Stone reporter, accusing the left-wing non-profit of “ripping off donors” while turning a blind eye to sexual harassment and racial discrimination within its own ranks.

    Seems to be going from bad to worse.

  6. Cluster March 24, 2019 / 9:25 am

    Well …. the MSNBC Sunday panelist are not buying the Mueller report. According to the panelists Mueller was “limited” in scope (he wasn’t) and that AG Barr will redact the most damning information so ….. you guessed it …… MORE INVESTIGATIONS ARE NEEDED

    The Democrats are so far down the rabbit hole on this issue that they can not accept any findings that don’t call for the hanging and beheading of the Trump family. Anything short of that and they risk coming off as completely unhinged morons ….. oh wait.

    • Retired Spook March 24, 2019 / 10:07 am

      Derek Hunter shares your reaction.

      It’s not often I, like most of America, make a point to watch MSNBC or CNN. If I want to know what leftists are thinking I just imagine something so incredibly insane that there’s no way an educated adult would actually believe it, then double it and I’m there. But Friday night was an exception, I had to see how they responded to the news of the Mueller Report’s submission to the Attorney General and no further indictments coming. It was glorious.

      You rarely get the chance to watch someone have to choke down a crap sandwich of their own making in front of the people they’d been force-feeding one to for years, but that was Friday night on cable news.

    • Amazona March 24, 2019 / 11:00 am

      “limited in scope”???

      The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

      That seems pretty UNlimited to me.

      “Links or coordination” is very broad particularly as the Trump campaign included some people who did business internationally and had probably met with people from the Russian government at some time for some purpose, and the scope of “individuals associated with the campaign” is also very broad.

      All we have to do is look at the indictments that were handed down to see just how wide a net Mueller cast.

      I want to know how many millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent to help the rabid Left go after our president, and how many more dollars they want us, the taxpayers, to hand them to use in their insane vendetta. It’s past time to tally up the cost to us.

      • R. Murphy March 24, 2019 / 11:46 am

        They want all of the dollars.

      • Amazona March 24, 2019 / 12:54 pm

        The House of Representatives is where decisions on expenditures are made. I think there should be a vote on precisely how many million dollars have already been spent and how many more the Dems are willing to spend, with a record of who voted to spend how much.

        When the costs are buried, as they are now, it is easy to just keep adding on and adding on. Let the public know what they are spending, and on what. And if Dem House members are so eager to spend taxpayer money to indulge their frustrations and political agendas, make them go on the record for it.

  7. Retired Spook March 24, 2019 / 1:14 pm

    I find it almost unfathomable that Trump doesn’t have allies in the DOJ and FBI who are working behind the scenes on the other end of this equation, ie., the corruption in both of those institutions that allowed this charade to happen in the first place. The GOP shouldn’t have to spend a great deal of money on public relations firms for the 2020 elections. The ads should pretty much write themselves from material freely provided by the opposition.

    I also think it’s time to hand the Dems more shovels, and let them dig themselves into an inescapable hole by November, 2020. Or, to quote one of my favorite sayings: when your adversary is engaged in self-immolation, hide the fire extinguishers and get the hell out of the way.

  8. JeremiahTMM March 24, 2019 / 7:44 pm

    Ain’t it ironic how the left is not satisfied with the truth? They would rather a lie be believed, and used as justification for the taking down of our President whom they hate so much.

    President has done stated that what the Democrats done was illegal. I just hope they pay, and pay dearly for their illegality.

    They better be glad I’m not their judge cause I’d have em all hanging on Pennsylvania avenue from their necks.

  9. Cluster March 25, 2019 / 8:37 am

    So the panelists on MSNBC are saying this morning that “they were given bad information and were led to believe that there was much more to the collusion issue than there was actually was”.

    Led to believe by who? Are they admitting they had “an insider” on the Mueller probe giving them information? Or are they trying to cover their ass? I suspect a little both.

    Nicole Wallace said that Barr and Trump have no credibility ….. I know. Let that sink in a little. And now they’re saying that “there is no collusion but there still is the obstruction charges” – which begs the question, obstruction of what?

    MSNBC and CNN are desperately hoping that we forget their rhetoric and antics over the last couple of years ….. won’t happen.

  10. Cluster March 25, 2019 / 8:57 am

    And since Mueller concluded what we all knew all along …. that there was nothing to this story, shouldn’t we now ask the question – who started this?

  11. Cluster March 25, 2019 / 9:22 am

    The other questions to be asked are “why are Democrats undermining the conclusion of the DOJ? What will this do to the moral of the agency, and to all the DOJ field agents who work so tirelessly defending this country?

  12. Amazona March 25, 2019 / 11:27 am

    And in the meantime the Complicit Agenda Media are hard at work, trying to obscure the outcome of the report by putting their own toxic and fake spins on it. A great example is this from USA Today, describing the “investigation” as:
    the most far-reaching exposure of wrongdoing around a president since Watergate

    Note the absence of the crucial word “alleged”, which would make the statement at least accurate if still hinting at wrongdoing. But still, saying ” the most far-reaching exposure of ALLEGED wrongdoing around a president since Watergate…” would not have been a lie, while the actual statement is.

    You can’t have obstruction of justice without a defined and identified crime and a resulting investigation INTO THAT CRIME. To this day, no crime has been identified, and after Trump was informed by the head of the FBI that he was not under investigation for anything it can’t be claimed that anything he did “obstructed” a non-existent investigation—that is, an effort to “obstruct” it.

    Well, it can’t be claimed by a sane person paying attention to reality and the actual definition of terms. As we have seen, it can and has been and will be claimed by the increasingly insane American Left.

  13. Cluster March 25, 2019 / 11:55 am

    Kurt Schlichter nails it – and the American people are woke.

    We’re woke now. We see that the people we’ve been electing – the people they allow us to elect – are really all the same. Only the labels are different, but the objective – their own money and influence – is identical. Except for Trump, who neither respects the elite nor plays by its shabby rules. And that’s why they threw away any pretense of honesty, integrity or respect for the rule of law to drive him out of the Oval Office they covet.

    • Amazona March 25, 2019 / 12:18 pm

      I never saw the pettiness of Paul Ryan as being part of a push for money or power. I got the impression that as long as he never ran into a conflict he was a pretty reliable Constitutional Conservative. What I saw was a lack of backbone that showed up when he was faced with choosing between objective political philosophy or acting out his pettiness and inherent weakness, letting his personal feelings about Donald Trump The Man override anything concerning Donald Trump The President.

      Ted Cruz was treated badly by Trump in the primary, but Ted Cruz is a real man, with a real spine and real integrity, and he has put the welfare of the nation and by extension his own commitment to constitutional governance ahead of his hurt feelings and any resentment about the way the primary battle went. Paul Ryan lacks the spine and the integrity and the ability to put his nation first and his poor little hurted feels .

      I think most of the Rinos who bailed fall into the Ryan category, as I haven’t seen anything to indicate that they were in it for the money. Power, possibly, if they saw Trump as an impediment to their control in Congress, but even so what he was doing was in pursuit of Constitutional governance so they should have gone along with it, like Cruz has. As for Romney, I supported him faithfully even before he was nominated, and he and Ryan represent a bitter disappointment. I still think they would have led the nation far better than Obama did, but knowing what I know now I don’t think they would have advanced the conservative cause very well.

      In any case, good riddance. As for the rolling train wreck they allowed to be elected, there might be a silver lining to that cloud, as the insanity and anti-Americanism and general stupidity of the freshman Representatives might be opening some eyes to the dangers of voting on Identity Politics. Personally, I think they are doing more long-range damage to the Democrat Party brand than anything any Republican could do to them.

      • Cluster March 25, 2019 / 1:03 pm

        Ted Cruz was treated badly by Trump in the primary, but Ted Cruz is a real man, with a real spine and real integrity, and he has put the welfare of the nation and by extension his own commitment to constitutional governance ahead of his hurt feelings and any resentment about the way the primary battle went. Paul Ryan lacks the spine and the integrity and the ability to put his nation first …

        Well said

  14. Retired Spook March 25, 2019 / 12:14 pm

    Depending on how much information from the entire Mueller Report is made public, it’ll be interesting to see if there is any mention of the “dossier,” its validity or its use to obtain a FISA warrant. I can’t help but think that the “dossier” had to have been an important element of Mueller’s investigation. If it wasn’t, then what the hell did his team do for nearly two years? One of the two individuals targeted by the FISA warrant was sentenced to TWO WHOLE WEEKS IN JAIL, and, yes, the other, Carter Page, did end up being a diabolical Russian spy.//sarc.

    As of now, Carter Page hasn’t been charged with so much as lying to the FBI or filing a faulty tax return, let alone Russian spying. He endured the most intrusive, intimidating methods the government has at its disposal. He was the subject of media leaks. His reputation was destroyed. If he’s never charged with being a Russian spy, he’s either that slippery … or it would suggest that the top intelligence officials who targeted him were either incompetent or corrupt. It would seem to border on criminal.

    If Carter Page isn’t the world’s most diabolical spy ever, then it could imply that the investigation itself has been diabolical.

    Another element of this whole mess that never made sense to me was Flynn’s pleading guilty to lying to the FBI when two or more FBI agents are on record as stating that they didn’t believe he lied. I’ve never heard any credible explanation of that discrepancy other than speculation that Flynn was broke, and only pleaded guilty to a minor infraction to stem the financial bleeding. I’ve never seen an interview with Flynn or his attorney. It’s been nearly a year and a half since Flynn pleaded guilty, and he’s never been sentenced. The supposed events that he lied about, work his company performed for the Turkish government, really had nothing to do with Trump, the Trump campaign or collusion with the Russians. In terms of whether or not Flynn’s involvement with Turkey was “material” to the investigation, Harvard Law Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz says it wasn’t, and the author of the article, an MSNBC legal analyst, basically says Dershowitz doesn’t know what he’s talking about…………………………………OK, back up off the floor from LMAO – no, I did not make that up.

  15. Retired Spook March 25, 2019 / 12:40 pm

    Isn’t it amazing the things the Left gets away with saying, even on conservative media outlets like Fox? Last night on The Five Juan Williams said (I’m paraphrasing), Trump attempted to stop the Mueller Investigation over and over, and no one called him on it. But you can bet a lot of people heard that and believe it.

    • Cluster March 25, 2019 / 1:02 pm

      And the media liberals are still promoting the “obstruction” angle. How in the hell can anyone “obstruct” an investigation with no underlying crime?

    • Amazona March 25, 2019 / 9:08 pm

      Fox hit the skids a couple of years ago and now Donna is giving it its final nudge onto its Death Spiral

  16. Retired Spook March 25, 2019 / 12:59 pm

    The long-term friendship between William Barr and Robert Mueller kind of got glossed over a couple months ago, but it begs the question as to whether or not Barr, either directly or through intermediaries, influenced Mueller to not conclude anything but provable or proven fact. I’m just spitballing here, but I can imagine a fly on the wall hearing Barr warning Mueller that any speculation not based on fact in the final report would likely lead to further investigation by the DOJ or a new Special Counsel into Mueller’s entire investigation as well as events leading up to it, and he did not want his friend to be caught up in such an investigation. We’ll probably never know the who truth. It would make an interesting movie.

    • M. Noonan March 26, 2019 / 1:47 am

      Barr doesn’t appear to be awed by Mueller; seems that a lot of people in DC are. There might have been a friendly warning issued – but, the main thing, it seems to me that Barr isn’t allowing any games to be played. Now: will Barr become the scourge of corruption in DC? Trump can give him a free hand, if he wants: after all, we’re pretty sure that whatever corruption an investigation may find won’t lead back to Trump and Team.

  17. Cluster March 25, 2019 / 1:29 pm

    I just caught the first segment of Rush this morning and wow …. I have never heard him so “pissed off” before.

  18. Retired Spook March 25, 2019 / 2:27 pm

    One aspect of the Left’s Trump narrative after another continues to unravel. Too funny!

    • Cluster March 25, 2019 / 3:47 pm

      KARMA …. the sum of a person’s actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

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