Open Thread

So, the Democrats called up John Dean – of Watergate infame – to try to make the case that Trump is worse than Nixon. It didn’t work out too well:

There was a memorable exchange between Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and Mr. Dean during the hearing. When Gaetz spoke, he entered into the record a December 2005 essay by John Dean, titled “George W. Bush as the New Richard M. Nixon: Both Wiretapped Illegally, and Impeachably.” Gaetz then asked Mr. Dean, “How many American presidents have you accused of being Richard Nixon?” It was a humorous moment, and Dean responded that he had actually written a book called Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush.

Personally, I think this was Pelosi’s attempt to feed something to the base in lieu of impeachment. But I’m not sure she can ride that tiger – remember, a very large portion of Democrats, per polls, believe that Trump was elected because Putin switched Hillary votes to Trump. The constituency of those who believe that Trump is the personification of evil is large in the Democrat party – and will have a huge say in whom the Democrats nominate in 2020. These people might not be satisfied with anything less than Articles of Impeachment.

Leftist fascists are suing Masterpiece Cakes, again. They know they can’t win – they are doing it to make sure that no one else will show such courage. The process is the punishment – which is why we need a Civil Rights Act which explicitly allows anyone to refuse service on any grounds they choose.

California is going to provide full health benefits to illegal immigrants under 26. Trump should withhold all federal health care funds for California. If they’ve got enough money to do that, they don’t need taxpayers in the other 49 States helping out.

Poll says that a majority want abortion legal, but with restrictions. Which is probably correct. I doubt that there is even 25% support for an outright ban on all abortions (this is my position, by the way). But I bet there’s not even 10% who are in favor of the Democrats demand for federally funded abortion on demand up to the last minute (and a few minutes later if the kid makes it past the abortion). My view is that if Roe were disposed of (and it should be, simply on the fact that the ruling was grossly unconstitutional), I’ll bet that most States would ban third trimester abortion, nearly as many would also ban second trimester…and only a couple three would keep it fully legal throughout the pregnancy. That still wouldn’t be good enough for me, but it isn’t for me to impose, but to convince…and that is just what the pro-abortion people don’t want to do. They want their views rammed through, what the people want be damned.

Report is that Barr’s investigation into the investigators is rather broad. We can hope. I know none of us really believe that any of the major players will see the inside of a jail cell…but I also know that each of us, in the back of his or her mind, hopes it will be so. It isn’t vindictiveness. In fact, after a short stint, most of us would probably be ok with Trump pardoning them…but we want justice. We want to know that the Rule of Law really applies to everyone.

12 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster June 11, 2019 / 7:50 am

    Good morning from Key West, FL. Heck of a place.Impromptu trip with the Mrs. but always being a news junkie I got a good laugh from the following:

    SHHHHHHHH!!! The National Park Service has quietly removed all the signs put up by the Obama administration that told visitors that the glaciers would “all be gone” by the year 2020 due to global warming… because… it’s 2019, and the glaciers are all still there and have been growing.

    Maybe one day the liberals will admit that they don’t know everything. I am not holding my breath though.

    • M. Noonan June 11, 2019 / 2:02 pm

      I saw that – hilarious. We must always keep in mind that our opponents are very, very stupid. They only advance because the MSM covers up for them and they are relentless. Now that the MSM control is breaking down – thanks to Trump – and we’re learning to be just as relentless, we are going to win. I’m really quite sure of it, now.

      • Retired Spook June 11, 2019 / 2:15 pm

        One of the best pieces of evidence that we’re winning is the huge loss of audience at CNN and MSNBC resulting from the realization by millions of viewers that those networks had lied to them for the entire duration of the Mueller investigation as well as the year or more before that.

      • Amazona June 11, 2019 / 5:43 pm

        Add to the lies is the increasing nastiness of the hosts on those stations. When you ask people why they are turned off on politics, it almost always comes down to hating the constant bickering. Even people who tend to lean toward the Left can see how downright vicious and hateful these people are.

        That’s one reason I cringe when I see people saying we should fight back. Yes, we should, but I think we should do it in a calm, even cheerful manner, not sniping or calling names but just listing facts and maybe pointing out that there has to be a reason the people on the Right are so much calmer and happier —maybe it’s because the ideology of the Right is simply based on running the nation according to the Constitution, while that of the Left depends on getting people mad, distrustful and hateful.

      • jdge1 June 11, 2019 / 10:11 pm

        Speaking of nastiness – ”Leftism Makes People Meaner: Reflections on the Torture of Paul Manafort”

      • simoneee9 June 12, 2019 / 7:30 pm

        Amazona, go hang out in the comments section on Breitbart or ZeroHedge or Voat or the “MAGA” twitter posters or the Q people and get back to me on who has a monopoly on nastiness.

      • Amazona June 12, 2019 / 8:08 pm

        Awwwww, wittle simoneeeeeek seems fretful

      • Amazona June 12, 2019 / 10:02 pm

        Simon, there are creeps and jerks on the Right as well—but we are not defined by our creeps and jerks. They are outliers, the nasty fringe that any group is bound to have. I don’t like them either.

        But I think you are trying to conflate the ravings of a few unpleasant people with the ingrained, inherent, definitive nastiness of the American Left. It permeates the Left, to the point of being its most defining factor. You can try all you want to equate the rantings of a few surly and angry people with the institutional rantings and insults and lies and accusations and persecutions and slanders and libels coming out of the Left, all the way up to the leaders of the Democrat Party, to members of Congress, to media people—but there is no comparison.

        The level and intensity of sheer blind seething hatred exploding out of the Left is so immense, so overpowering, so increasingly frightening, that your silly effort to equate it to some sneering and name calling is pathetic. It is so malignant, so profoundly to the bone malignant, that it defies description. It is, truly, insane.

        So you keep trying to pretend that a few random insults and unpleasant comments are as bad as, or justify, or whatever, the constant spewing of sewage from the Left, if that makes you feel better. But I think that deep down even you know better. The loathing of the Left for Donald Trump and anyone associated with him and even anyone who voted for him is truly pathological. It has displaced reason, decency and basic humanity. It is savage and brutal and yearns, literally yearns, for violence to express itself.

        Yes, there are some mean people on the Right. No doubt about it. But I think that what really chaps your donkey is the realization that so much of the nasty commentary you are fretting about is based on reality. The Right is not inventing crimes, creating intricate webs of lies and conspiracies, or determinedly inserting meaning into documents that do not, on their own, include it. The nastiness that has you fussing is a response to a political movement and its devoted followers that is focused on destroying, literally destroying, people who do not agree with it, people who pose a threat to its progress, by doing exactly that—inventing crimes, inventing conspiracies, inventing meanings that simply do not exist in documents, twisting reality to fit their own personal pathologies.

        Yes, it does tick us off. And yes, we do snap back. We react to a federal government so bloated and corrupt it uses its vast powers to spy on its own citizens, not to investigate actual identified crimes but to try to find some statements that can be twisted to use against them

        Go to Netflix and watch the foreign language film “The Lives Of Others” to see how we on the Right see the abuse of power of a massively powerful Central Authority demanding absolute loyalty and allegiance. Study the evolution of Leftist power in nations like Russia, Germany, Italy, Viet Nam, etc and you might understand two things: Why we are so utterly opposed to this kind of Leftist authoritarianism and how the Left imposes itself on people when unfettered. It might give you a clue as to why there is so much deeply felt opposition to your system and the people who feel they have the right to impose it on everyone or punish those who resist.

        WE remember the words of Stalin’s head of secret police: “Show me the man and I will find the crime.” And we see that attitude expressed in the Left’s relentless pursuit of Trump and all associated with him. So pardon the hell out of us if we object with more vigor than makes you comfortable.

  2. Retired Spook June 11, 2019 / 6:26 pm

    Quote of the Day:

    “Joe Biden is a dummy!” President Donald Trump 6/11/19

  3. Retired Spook June 12, 2019 / 10:08 am

    I wonder if Trump started dropping off busloads of illegal immigrants at the homes of Congressional Democrats if that would get them off their collective asses. They could fix the border crisis in a heartbeat if they wanted to. The truth is — they don’t want to. And sadly, there are some Republicans who also don’t want to. I hope all those who like the status quo are eventually held accountable — at least voted out of office, although I would prefer something a bit more painful.

  4. Retired Spook June 12, 2019 / 10:28 am

    Quote of the Day:

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
    The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
    wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
    they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
    it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
    warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
    resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
    to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
    in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
    time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    It is its natural manure.” Thomas Jefferson

    • Amazona June 12, 2019 / 4:41 pm


      If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.

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