Open Thread

If the Democrats were trying to provoke a civil war, what would they be doing differently?

Of course, I don’t think they are aiming at that – but only because they are so ignorant of history that they wouldn’t know. But it is disastrous what they are doing. Removing Marjorie Taylor Greene might seem a like a bit of fun to them, but it is telling her constituents that they aren’t allowed to have a voice in the House. Add in things like imposing political reliability tests on soldiers, allowing Ruling Class crooks to skate, having the entire Establishment call us simply bad people…this is going to work out that we, on our side, will eventually be forced underground as we become second class citizens. One might want to look into what happens when second class citizens are forced underground…of course, this will be the first time anyone has tried this experiment on a heavily armed population.

We might see the result of f*** around.

SAG was going to kick Donald Trump out, but he fired them.

Trump also had the perfect answer to the Democrats’ unconstitutional Impeachment scam.

Liz Cheney survived the attempt to oust her from GOP Leadership – but she’s got an incredibly tin ear. My bet: she loses her primary next year.

Liberal Canadian sketch troop gets so woke they cancel themselves.

Democrat governors: they suck as bad as you expect.

Related: campaign to recall Governor Newsom in California keep trucking along.

Zucker to leave CNN. No one really cares.

51 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook February 5, 2021 / 11:26 am

    If the Democrats were trying to provoke a civil war, what would they be doing differently?

    There are two major factions in the Democrat Party: the old liners like Pelosi and Schumer, who know they’re just passing cogs in a long game involving multiple generations, each advancing their agenda incrementally, and the young guns (no pun intended) who believe they’re so close to what they perceive as the end game, that all it will take is a little violence to push it over the top. I don’t think very many in either faction have thought through what happens next. I don’t think very many of them have any concept of dying for their cause, but should they stay on their present trajectory, a great many of them are going to do just that.

    • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 2:13 pm

      I think there is a third element in the Democrat Party. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a “faction” because I think it is lacking in any kind of core ideology but is what I would consider Legacy Dems—their parents voted Dem, they have always voted Dem, voting for the platitudes of the Dems makes them feel good without asking them to actually study or learn anything, they associate with other Legacy Dems and it’s just their comfort zone.

      I think these people are approachable, but not if we approach them based on identity. They have their identity. They are Democrats. They will not become Republicans, because they know Republicans are evil. So they are Democrats, but suddenly in a Democrat Party that isn’t very comfortable any more. They go along with the impeachment charades because, well, everyone else is, but deep down they know the impeachments are inherently unfair, violate basic standards of due process and just don’t make much sense. They watch the riots in horror, and wait for their Democrat leaders to speak out, to DO something, but when the rioters are given passes on their violence they don’t know what to do about it, other than just feel that this is just not right. Yes, they are Democrats, but what’s with turning violent criminals loose so they can victimize more people? They are basically decent people, if lazy when it comes to digging down through what they are told and examining it.

      This is the element of the party that says it would not have voted for Biden if they had known about the laptop and what it contained. This is the element that admits there is something fishy about the election results, even if they are glad Trump didn’t get to stay in the White House. This is the element that has suddenly realized the guy they voted for just destroyed tens of thousands of jobs, jobs they held or their relatives held or that supported their communities, and they know that the promise to get rid of fossil fuels is just plain stupid.

      If we can’t figure out how to approach these people without stridently demanding that they give up their identities and their issues and just talk to them about the dangers of consolidating power in the hands of elites who are out of touch with the people, just talk to them about the dangers of losing the basic concepts of our Constitution that made out nation great, then we deserve to have them decide to stay out there in no-man’s land. If we can’t figure out how to offer them an alternative that they can live with, given their lifelong identification with the Democrat Party, we deserve to lose their votes.

      • Retired Spook February 6, 2021 / 2:39 pm

        If we can’t figure out how to offer them an alternative that they can live with, given their lifelong identification with the Democrat Party, we deserve to lose their votes.

        And there’s a mindset of equal laziness on our side that says, those legacy Democrats will eventually change their mind on their own when things become so bad because of Democrat governance that they have no choice. In fact, that’s the mindset that’s been in play for most of my adult life with extremely marginal success. The only way I can see to break this cycle is, (a) a dozen or so Congressional Democrats switch parties in a highly visible way — lots of fanfare, TV appearances explaining how they can no longer support or be a part of the Democrat Party’s lurch toward something that is totally incompatible with the ideal of self-governance upon which this country was founded, and (b) More emphasis by the GOP on identifying itself with Conservatism, ie., emphasizing and supporting the idea of transitioning power back to the states and the people. Trump emphasized that during his inaugural speech in January, 2017, and the media went bonkers over it. The entire GOP Congressional caucus should have immediately gotten on that wagon and pressed on the accelerator, but, sadly, there are just too many who don’t support it. Democrats have always been good at not identifying as Democrats, but as caring individuals who only want fairness and equality. Rarely do you ever see the word “Democrat” in a Democrat campaign ad. We should learn from that.

      • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 3:56 pm

        You are so right. If we can pressure some Dems to jump ship by focusing on a couple of counter-balanced themes, one (the stick) being the idea of going down in history as being part of the erosion of and even destruction of the Constitutional Republic of the United States by voting for the policies of the New Democrat Party (and I would emphasize the “New” to make it seem less like abandoning the legacy party) and the other (the carrot) being support of and advocacy of, as you say, “transitioning power back to the states and the people” we can accomplish a major shift in attitude and perception.

        The reason the GOP did not jump on the support and excitement generated by Trump’s speech goes back to that same old problem—-Identity Politics. How many in the GOP even THINK in terms of restricting the size, scope and power of the federal government and keeping most authority in the states? How many of them even THINK of the problems of consolidation of power in the hands of a few. Tunnel vision gives you only a view of the immediate problem you want to solve. Trump had the ability to have the thousand-meter view and see how things fit together.

        I think a few good communicators, like Gaetz and Jordan and Cruz, can start to nudge people into thinking in those terms if they coordinate their messages and get others to get on board. The thing that has surprised so many Liberals when I have talked to them is the concept that choosing between political philosophies does not automatically mean choosing between issues or policies, it just means choosing between methods of achieving them. I think that is the most important thing we can try to communicate, if we want people to shift to the conservative side of the aisle—they don’t have to give up what is important to them, they just have to find ways to accomplish those goals within the boundaries of our Constitution.

        We can start with this right now if, when we object to the unconstitutional dictates of the New Left via Biden and his puppet masters, we explain that we are not attacking the intended goals of the edicts—those need to be debated at greater length—but only the decision to make them federal and take them out of the authority of the states, where they belong. We need to start planting those seeds of understanding of the benefits of state sovereignty every single chance we get, so they can start to take root a little at a time.

    • ricorun February 8, 2021 / 12:21 pm

      If the Democrats were trying to provoke a civil war, what would they be doing differently?

      Given what happened on Jan 6 and thereafter, I think the better question is: If the Republicans were trying to provoke a civil war, what would they be doing differently?

      • Retired Spook February 8, 2021 / 12:47 pm

        What a contemptible question. What prominent Republicans, or even not so prominent Republicans do you know or have identified who supported the storming of the Capitol?

      • Amazona February 8, 2021 / 5:46 pm

        And here, Spook, I am going to chide you for leaving open the possibility that you are agreeing that the participation of the few real Trump supporters in that crowd were “STORMING” the Capitol. I saw some activists and agitators acting like they always do in riots, as we saw time and time again in videos of riots all year long. I saw them “storming” the Capitol. I also saw some stupid, gullible and foolish Trump supporters going along with this, but also saw them posing for selfies with smiling Capitol guards, being escorted into the building in what looked like an acceptance of their being there, saw video of many of them protecting the artwork on the walls, and in general not acting much like they were STORMING anything.

        It was unfortunate that these idiots used such bad judgment but for Pete’s sake let’s not start using the Left’s rhetoric. No, the Trump supporters did not violently STORM the Capitol, though they did swarm in in the wake of the professional riot agitators who had bragged about their own intent to STORM the Capitol posing as Trump supporters. No, the Trump supporters that did enter the building did not do so with the intent of harming anyone, or of STOPPING the Electoral College vote count. We need to be clear on this. The goal, back when the President talked to them, was to show support for DELAYING the count for ten days, to allow for an investigation.
        (Funny, isn’t it, how effective the official narrative has been in distracting from the real question: Why NOT investigate? What’s the rush if there is nothing to hide?)

        There was no “insurrection”. There was no “attempted coup”. Any true Trump supporter would have known that engaging in Leftist-style violence would have the effect of ensuring erosion of support for what they really wanted, which was attention paid to the shenanigans surrounding the election.

        This was a disturbance, remarkably mild in comparison to the real riots we saw all year. No fires were set, very little damage was done and no proof it was done by anyone but paid riot agitators, whatever injuries occurred were either due to stupid overreaction by an actual Capitol police officer or by person or persons unknown, and it never approached the level of violence routinely approved by the Left all year long.

        What we have seen is a massive effort, unfortunately pretty effective, in recasting this disturbance as a horrible, terrifying, disturbing, ominous and dangerous uprising of dangerous domestic terrorists intent on overthrowing the government by—-well, here the narrative falls apart. By posing for stupid pictures and spooking some Congresscritters? Not much of an insurrection there, especially given the general impotence of Congress. I think we all know that taking Congress hostage wouldn’t really have much effect on the running of the country. In fact it might help.

        The people most freaked out and publicly hysterical about the incredible danger they felt were not even in the building—not that this has stopped them from sobbing incoherently in front of cameras thanking God or Allah that they somehow miraculously survived.

        But you are right—no Republican has supported what happened, defended it or in any way said it was approved or justified. Not one. Every single Trump supporter who went along with this insanity ought to be found, prosecuted (though we are learning that the only charges would probably be trespassing as they didn’t really do anything else) and slapped upside the head for absolute stupidity.

        So, simpering ricorun, what you are tittering about is the very effective strategy of the Left to implicate Trump supporters in what is a complete contradiction of how they have acted for five years now, as if suddenly all these peaceful, peaceable, easy-going supporters of the President were overtaken by group madness turning them into the kinds of savages we saw all year from the Left, so driven by this 180 degree turnaround in attitude and behavior they decided to trash their last chance for justice in a massive temper tantrum.

        And we have learned that the true Trump supporters were waiting for him to speak, blocks away from the Capitol, while the agitators were already at the Capitol and starting their mischief.

        This claim of a violent Right-wing uprising is a narrative that can only appeal to a certain mentality, and you have stepped up to proclaim yourself as one of these lemmings. No surprise there.

      • ricorun February 8, 2021 / 8:09 pm

        Spook: What prominent Republicans, or even not so prominent Republicans do you know or have identified who supported the storming of the Capitol?

        Boy, that’s quite a leap. Since when were we talking about prominent members of either party? Did I miss something?

        But speaking of “prominent Republicans,” how many of them denounced the storming of the Capitol — as you phrased it — and how long did it take them? How many of them have said that they accept the outcome of the election, and how long did it take them to do that? I mean come on, on the “trying to provoke a civil war” scale of 1 to 10, you have to admit that denying a completely certified national election and storming the Capitol would rate above anything those commie pinkos in Portland and the like have come up with so far. Just sayin’

      • Amazona February 8, 2021 / 8:52 pm

        We all accept the OUTCOME of the election—that is, that Joe Biden has been inaugurated as president. What we don’t accept is the legitimacy of how that happened.

        Oh, come on! Seriously? You can actually claim that the votes were “completely certified” when it is proved beyond any doubt that in many states there is literally no way to know who got how many votes? Do you even know what “certified” actually means? Officials stated in what amounts to sworn testimony that they guaranteed the accuracy of the vote tallies even in states where it was proved that dead people voted, people voted more than once and non-residents voted. It doesn’t matter who benefited from this fraud—what matters is that there is no possible way any final count could legitimately be certified. That doesn’t even address the validity of counting votes that were cast in violation of state laws. So preen all you want about the moral failures of officials to do their jobs but please don’t pretend that these “certifications” had any validity. They were political processes.

        And this terrifying “storming of the Capitol” was far far less violent or sinister than, say, the repeated storming of other federal buildings, the efforts to block exits to federal buildings and then set them on fire in attempts to kill those trapped inside, or the solicitation of murder of law enforcement officers. I understand that your “morals” are extremely fluid, but seriously, trying to make such a big deal out of January 6 is just plain stupid.

        But, just for a second, I’ll play. So what is more likely to “provoke a civil war”——a few amped-up idiots looking for souvenirs and a chance to look around inside the Capitol building, or a nationwide call to find and punish anyone who supported Donald Trump in the election? On one hand, a geographically and emotionally limited disturbance which, until the Usual Suspects started blowing it up into the most tragic and terrifying thing that ever happened to anyone anywhere at any time in history, was a minor blip in the violence of the past year. On the other, the effort to identify and punish something like 72 million people for Wrongthink, to put them in “reeducation camps” to purge them of their beliefs?

        Which is more divisive? An action involving a few people and condemned by all, or an effort to establish a New American Stasi with the power to enforce what is decreed acceptable by the ruling elite?

        You have never been taken seriously here, always known to be just a speed bump, and sometimes it is kind of fun to watch you keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper. But sometimes it’s just annoying, especially when your hyperbole gets so overheated that it’s just plain stupid.

        And if denying the results of an election is an example of “insurgency” then let’s step back a little and start to look at Hillary and that goofball from Georgia, both harpies still claiming they won when they clearly did not. And what about the people who, after Trump won, proudly declared their involvement in the “RESISTANCE” movement? Yes, a whole entire movement, with bumper stickers and hashtags and Agenda Media cheerleaders and members of Congress proudly declaring their support and involvement. Twitter and Facebook were all over that meme. I don’t remember you getting all breathless and fretful over the organized determination to resist the newly established administration and its governance of the nation.

      • ricorun February 8, 2021 / 8:23 pm

        amazon: Any true Trump supporter would have known that engaging in Leftist-style violence would have the effect of ensuring erosion of support for what they really wanted…

        Do you imagine that it occurred to Trump himself? I mean you can’t really expect his followers to be more perceptive than he himself. So I guess you’d have to say yes, that Trump should have known that engaging in Leftist-style violence would have the effect of ensuring erosion of support for what they really wanted.

        Then again, if you thought that then how do you explain Trump’s behavior and the behavior of others at the rally? There were quite a number of very inflammatory remarks made on that stage. But if Trump knew that engaging in Leftist-style violence would have the effect of ensuring erosion of support for what they really wanted, why would he have allowed things to get so inflamed?

        One has to be true and the other false, no matter how uncomfortable one or both are. But either way, why did Trump say nothing for so long as the siege took place? Either way, that’s totally irresponsible.

      • Amazona February 8, 2021 / 8:59 pm

        Well, if you are draped in tissue paper and drenched in lighter fluid, which is a pretty good metaphor for the state of mind of the average Leftist hysteric, pretty much anything can be considered “inflammatory”.

        You appear to be claiming that the President should have gone down, personally, to the Capitol to intervene in whatever was going on there. Or are you claiming that the rambunctious crowd was simultaneously watching a news show on their phones and would see a televised appeal from the President to stand down? Maybe he should have flown low over the crowd in a helicopter and called out to them over a bullhorn?

        After all, you are the one whining why did Trump say nothing for so long as the siege took place? First of all, stop inserting your silly inflammatory language trying to make this sound more sinister than it was. “Siege”. Bah. So what could he have done? How? When? Is there a single thing that was even remotely possible that could have been done from the White House during that short period of time?

        He said “peaceful”. Unlike the Left, we don’t redefine words but take them at their real meaning. Peaceful. He said to let their “voices be heard”. Voices. Heard.

        Just go away. You are too tiresome to tolerate any more. You don’t even try to sound anything but crazy.

      • ricorun February 8, 2021 / 9:56 pm

        Or are you claiming that the rambunctious crowd was simultaneously watching a news show on their phones and would see a televised appeal from the President to stand down?

        Excepting the technical details of what you said, yes, that’s what I’m saying. And there is considerable evidence that people on the inside were communicating with people on the outside in real time. The communication is two-way. Many on the outside were telling those on the inside what they knew. Most certainly Trump could have made a critical difference.

      • Amazona February 9, 2021 / 1:52 am

        “Most certainly” in the fever swamp of your TDS mind “Trump could have made a critical difference.”. Because of course those “people on the outside” were, (1) Trump supporters and (2) were watching TV so could have relayed messages. Naturally the communications would not have been among the people who planned this all from the beginning, days ahead, with an agenda they hoped to accomplish, but instead were among the people who spontaneously found themselves in the middle of a mess. Of course, because that makes so much more sense. //sarc off

        The most defining characteristic I have seen in you is malice. You are not the first person I have come across who has chosen malice as his or her defining feature, and I have never understood the dark negativity that has to lie behind such a choice. Driven by the ugly and the hateful, that is what draws you, so you gravitate unerringly toward the lies and vile narratives of the Left, and what is not there to attract you like carrion attracts scavengers you simply invent yourself.

        Fortunately this is not common in the world in general, but I find it universal among trolls. You may entertain yourself with the fantasy that you are getting under our skin or upsetting us in some way with your fatuous spewings, but in fact my reaction, at least, is much the same distaste as when I realize I have stepped in dog doo.

        The sad thing is, you are fine with that, which leads me to the conclusion that there is a connection between choosing spite and malice as defining characteristics and a lack of personal dignity.

      • Amazona February 9, 2021 / 2:49 am

        What constitutes “considerable evidence “? Hundreds of sworn affidavits testifying to this? Video and audio proving that people on the outside were talking with people on the inside? Phone logs cross-indexed and backed up by sworn testimony about what was said and to whom and why?

        Many on the outside were telling those on the inside what they knew. Who? And what?

      • ricorun February 9, 2021 / 12:08 pm

        amazon: Oh, come on! Seriously? You can actually claim that the votes were “completely certified” when it is proved beyond any doubt that in many states there is literally no way to know who got how many votes?

        If the votes were not “proved beyond any doubt” (actually, I believe the legal requirement is “beyond a reasonable doubt”), why were they certified? Moreover, there was no court in the country (including the Supreme Court) who was willing to reverse that conclusion. Investigations conducted by the FBI concluded the same thing. Investigations conducted by the election officials — of both parties — in numerous states have concluded the same thing — despite the considerable (and illegal) pressure Trump tried to apply. The only area where there is any dispute is the right wing fever swamp, and that’s hardly reliable. Consequently, the only thing “beyond any doubt” anymore is that you were lied to, by your overlord and his minions.

      • Amazona February 9, 2021 / 1:11 pm

        If the votes were not “proved beyond any doubt” (actually, I believe the legal requirement is “beyond a reasonable doubt”), why were they certified?

        My point exactly.

        “Certify” is a word with a specific meaning in law. From is this definition: to state authoritatively: as a: to give assurance of the validity of [ corporate records] Another definition is To confirm formally as true, accurate, or genuine.

        Therefore, to certify a vote tally means, by definition. to formally attest to, give assurance to or guarantee its validity. Clearly this has to mean attesting to the validity of the votes themselves as well as to any count of such votes. One cannot reasonably attest to or guarantee the validity of a vote count if one cannot guarantee that the votes were legitimately cast in accordance with the laws in place at that time.

        Put it this way: If a vote is cast in a way that does not comply with the laws regarding voting in that place, then the vote itself cannot be considered legitimate. There are several ways a vote can be considered illegitimate: It was cast by someone not legally allowed to vote; it was a duplicate vote by the same person; it was not a ballot created and given to the voter and returned in a timely manner through a legally approved method or system; it was not cast according to the laws in place at that time for casting votes.

        Therefore, if votes are cast in a system in which the rules were changed arbitrarily, not through a constitutional process but by fiat or illegitimate edict, those votes cannot be considered to be legitimate. This is a version of the “fruit of the poisonous tree” concept in law. The entire process has to be legitimate for the end product to be legitimate.

        The Constitution assigns the responsibility for determining how each state will regulate its elections to the legislatures of those states. That is, laws regarding how elections will be run have to be made by state legislatures. In addition, the state constitutions of many states delegate this responsibility to the state legislatures. This belt-and-suspenders approach confirms that in these states no laws or regulations regarding elections can be made or enacted by any body other than the legislature. This quite clearly leads to the conclusion that if any election laws or rules or regulations are changed by any person or body other than the state legislature these changes are not legitimate or binding. Again, this is not complicated. The legitimacy of any action is conditional upon the legitimacy of its legal foundation.

        This inevitably leads to the conclusion that votes cast according to illegitimately empaneled laws and regulations put in place by any entity other than the state legislature which holds the exclusive right to do so cannot be considered legitimate votes. To count them and then to formally certify them as valid is not only improper, it is in many states a felony.

        If a state official, such as a governor or secretary of state, knows that election laws in his or her state were improperly changed or written in contradiction to the state constitution, that person cannot in good faith attest to the validity of votes cast in accordance with the illegitimate laws. Certification is a serious legal, ethical and moral responsibility and has to, if it is going to have any meaning, comply with the law.

        Therefore in a state where it has been proved that thousands of votes were illegitimately cast, for one reason or another, the vote tally in that state cannot be certified because there is simply no way to know which candidate(s) received how many of those illegitimate votes. The existence of thousands of illegitimate votes taints the entire vote pool, making it impossible to know with any degree of certainty “beyond a reasonable doubt” who got how many legitimate votes.

        The same thing is true for the officials in a state where a significant number of votes were cast under illegitimate voting laws or regulations. It is ridiculous to claim that votes cast in an illegitimate system can be considered legitimate. Once those illegitimate votes have been subsumed into the overall vote tally, the total vote tally is contaminated and there is no way to know with any degree of confidence how many votes were cast for any candidate.

        Any ballot accepted and counted as a valid vote even if it does not comply with the legislature’s written laws on elections has made it impossible to accurately know a true vote count.

        I have tried to keep this simple for you. I know it is a lot of words. But the concept is simple: illegitimate votes mean a vote count cannot be certified.

        You refer to investigations which do not address the points I made about false certifications. The overwhelming reason for dismissal of verified election fraud was that it was “not enough to change the outcome”. It is the “no harm, no foul” corruption of our legal process.

        The thing is, this is a lie. When you look at the illegality of certifying vote tallies as valid when they clearly cannot be, and the result of leaving only legitimately certified votes in the Electoral College, the outcome is dramatically different. That is why the Left and its flying monkeys focus exclusively on the vote count and bluster to try to cover up the wrongness of certifying uncertifiable votes.

        And not a single effort by Trump was in any way “illegal”. You people drop in these lies so casually, hoping they will pass unnoticed.

        You also contend, falsely, that The only area where there is any dispute is the right wing fever swamp, (noting the appropriation of the term coined to describe the Left’s overheated and hysterical hyperbole and trying, yet failing, to apply it to the Right) but, as usual, you are wrong.

        Among independents, 62% said there was no widespread fraud and 35% said they believe there was. To get anything like an accurate assessment of how many people believe there was fraud in general, we would have to eliminate that convenient and essential qualifier “widespread”, which is used to dismiss anything less than an overwhelming and incontrovertible tsunami of admissions of fraud by those responsible, and even then anything less than 100% would be decried as not being “widespread” enough to “count”.

      • Amazona February 9, 2021 / 1:34 pm

        Hmmmm. More suspiciously “leaked” information, and to the infamous NYT, and published on its “opinions” page. So many reasons to take it seriously. Or not.

        Have they replaced “All the news that’s fit to print” with “Walter Duranty lives in the heart of the NYT” yet?

  2. Retired Spook February 5, 2021 / 12:54 pm

    The Democrats have become highly skilled at insulating themselves from accountability while holding Republicans/Conservatives to a much higher bar. If the same standards were applied to both sides, many, if not most of the Congressional Democrats would be impeached for inciting insurrection, and there are plenty of videos to back up that assertion. I guarantee you if Republicans take back control of the House, the Senate or both in 2022 they will not attempt to hold ANY Democrats responsible for anything they’ve done in the last 4 years, and any Republicans who attempt to run on such a promise will be vilified by the media and have millions of dollars thrown against them by Leftist billionaires. We might as well just wait till they pull up in front of our homes with the prison bus, and go down swinging.

    • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 2:27 pm

      Well, then, it is up to us to do the heavy lifting of first electing people more likely to do what we want them to do and then demanding that they do it.

      One example of what WE can do. We can point out that hundreds of thousands of people in Georgia basically sold their votes for a few dollars, trivializing the duty of electing the best people to represent them, and hold THEM accountable.

      The Left has gone after people who support Trump, but we never point out the corruption or stupidity or laziness of the people who repeatedly send people like Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, Schiff, etc back to Congress time after time. What kind of corrupt voter can choose to be represented by such corrupt people?

      We could stop acting cats being herded, each of us going off in a different direction, and learn from the Left, which coordinates every theme, every tactic, and has it repeated by every speaker at every opportunity.

      We could step back and look at what doesn’t work, and stop doing it. You know what doesn’t work? The squealing that Trump won BY A LANDSLIDE. All that does is give the Left an out—they can, and do quibble about the level of alleged victory, distracting from the core issue of simply not being able to accurately tally the votes in states with proven irregularities. That leads to dismissing fraud on the claim that “it wouldn’t have changed the outcome”. When we set up a scenario where someone can think “Well, maybe he did win—but not by a landslide so it doesn’t matter” we shoot ourselves in our collective feet.

      Look at what we are doing—or, rather, not doing—when the Left claims the Capitol riots were an effort to stop certification of the electoral college votes. No, it was an effort to DELAY that certification until an investigation had taken place. How often have you heard that correction? I haven’t heard it at all We just meekly let them lie, not paying attention to the little semantic games they play that actually build huge perceptions in the minds of the gullible.

  3. Amazona February 5, 2021 / 5:19 pm

    Gun-Grabber David Hogg Announces Launch of Pillow Company to Compete With MyPillow Guy — No, Really

    It is a special pillow designed to absorb Leftist tears and when moistened murmurs “now, now, it’s OK, the bad orange man is gone” in the progressive’s choice of voices—-Hillary Clinton, AOC or Eric Swalwell.

    “This pillow fight just got very real,” Hogg tweeted.

    Congrats to the boy—-he has finally realized that fighting about guns is way out of his league, but pillow fights? Perfect. Now all he needs is a line of makeup and one of jaunty boxers with darling little emojis on them, to make those pillow fights really really special.

    • camandkids February 5, 2021 / 9:18 pm

      Poor boy (sarcasm) doesn’t have a clue. He is so out of his league, propped up and oversold. Sad what he experienced but doesn’t make him infallible or unassailable. He is a puppet at this point, no more, no less. The pillow fight has gotten real for him. As I understand it, he is having trouble finding an American manufacturer. Good!! I’m going to order more from My Pillow. The Buycott is just beginning, I think.

      • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 9:06 am

        I had to laugh at his manifesto. His brags about this proposed business:

        Key parts of the company

        -Union made in America to create good jobs that support American families.

        -Have an emphasis on supporting progressive causes

        Not attempt a white supremacist overthrow of the United States government

        Well, isn’t that special? Mike Lindell’s products are all made in the United States and he has created thousands of good jobs that support American families. He does not demand that his employees support any political causes, as that would be tyrannical and abusive, but he himself supports the Constitution.

        And there has never been a white supremacist effort to overthrow the United States government, Even the overheated fever swamp delusions of the Left have to stretch, distort and manipulate facts to create even a transparently false narrative to claim there has been.

  4. dbschmidt February 5, 2021 / 8:12 pm

    These are interesting times. If I do not get to pick my “summer reeducation camp” then I am not getting on the bus. Listening to Lindell after seeing the ballot drop at TCF but none of this exists. This same pattern has been on-going since well before the ~~election~~ selection of Biden.

    The Japanese decided some half a million weapons ago not to try and attack the mainland US because there would be a gun “behind every blade of grass.” I was and still am at the point of seeing how much money I can raise to start a server farm for free speech but as every *nix administrator has seen at least once before is the warning “Great power comes with great responsibility.” I contemplate that daily in particular in a case this large.

    Pendulum swing will unfold. Hope it is if possible to keep open channels of communications, that not only was this election rigged but probably most in my my lifetime. At least this last one and the Hillary one where they were caught off-guard.I am also amazed how deep this goes and as much as I love the Constitution it will take re-education of a couple of generations of youngings to be able to critical think for themselves so we can figure this all out instead of the indoctrination they are getting now.

    No word on the number of people who are now teaching at home not because of the Covid crap but because they are tried of the crap they are pushing in the school system. There are a lot of other signs as well.. There is so much else that I have forgotten about in this post but will follow-up on. BTW, Spook, you and I both know the beliefs and intentions of most of our “,military” members so don’t believe the press.

    Mow, I am off to make a couple million dollars because, apparently, that is the breaking point between insane and eccentric.

    • camandkids February 5, 2021 / 9:36 pm

      Re homeschooling. My daughter, who is young (26), married and expecting #3 (yes, there are truly hopeful, young, Catholic families still) is planning on homeschooling…..because of the crap pushed in the schools. I don’t think she and her husband are alone, and she is a better woman than I was….I tried with her when she was young and was not, as they say, temperamentally disposed. Fortunately, we lived close to a small, Catholic school that, at the time, was very independent and not affected by the crap that has been pushed in the schools for a long time now. Both my husband and I were very involved which helped keep things on track. Those schools are very hard to find now even among the private ones.

      • dbschmidt February 5, 2021 / 10:18 pm

        I am a very lucky young (now 60+) man of wonderful parents/grand-parents that insisted I read constantly in addition to be fortunate of a very liberal education which back in the day meant a well rounded education that immerses you in a world of wonderment, taught you not what to think but how to think and introduced you to all aspects of our lives including the “bad.”. It is taking home schooling to do that again these days and I salute you and those like you.

        Teaching should be a lofty goal but if you have little minds for 8 hours per day minimum and several times longer than that for over 12 to 16 years–how come they can barely speak one language and not 3 or 5. I could go on but that will not help my point. I love those that teach and wish to do so but do so outside of the confines of what is driven as the standard. Every child is preciousness and only our lord knows their true abilities. Give them everything you can and watch as they amaze you, After all, isn’t everything we do for the children ~ the next generation.

        Public (we pay for) schools and the unions are trying very hard to destroy all charter schools both religious and not. In this case I guess I am “privileged” even though I have no children but at my socieconomic class (well under 100K) a lot of the parents have decided to get together and hire a teacher to teach their “pod” of children. Not sure if something like that would work out but please let me know if there is any way I could help.

      • dbschmidt February 5, 2021 / 10:24 pm

        BTW, forgot to mention there is supposedly a ton of stuff available on this interwebby thing for home schooling folks. I have a few documents but I think it would take them till the 4 or 5 th grade to understand things like the Federalist papers.

      • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 8:46 am

        I have a good friend in Ohio who has been homeschooling all her children, for the same reasons. She is part of a homeschooling network so the children have friends, social activities and so on. Another friend here in Colorado is home schooling all of her children, and not just teaching them at home but going back to the classical education that used to be the norm. Her children are learning history and Latin and classical literature. They participate in sports and her oldest just got a scholarship to a top college.

        There are large groups of home-school families. A couple of years ago some families with high school aged children realized their kids didn’t get to have high school events like proms, so they put on a prom. In their case, they had the kids choose a historical theme and do the research, and their prom was a Civil War era ball, with costumes made by the students. That seemed like a much better experience for the kids than wasting a huge amount of money on limousines and motel rooms for drunken parties and what has become a ritual loss of virginity on prom night.

        On the other hand, I work with some kids who go to public school, and the 15-year old boy is functionally illiterate and has never read a book. He is brilliant in many ways and is in STEM classes, but will graduate unable to read or write above about a second grade level with poor math skills.

      • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 12:10 pm

        The teachers’ unions are outraged by the pods formed by parents to ensure that their children are still being educated, in spite of the refusal of the “teachers” to do their jobs and teach. The Left cannot tolerate challenges to its total authority.

    • ricorun February 9, 2021 / 12:16 pm

      DB: If I do not get to pick my “summer reeducation camp” then I am not getting on the bus.

      I’ve heard they’re lovely. But definitely bring batteries, cuz I’m sure they use renewable energy to power the place. And you can’t trust renewable energy. Well, not until you’re done being reeducated.

      • Amazona February 9, 2021 / 2:49 pm

        Yes, according to a Sanders operative gulags have gotten a bad rap, and it just isn’t fair.

  5. dbschmidt February 5, 2021 / 9:14 pm

    BTW, just remember those wonderful times when we all got together one at a time to visit the Mariana Trench and all somehow had a similar experience of having to dump all of our weapons overboard in order to please the giant Karen that was attacking the boat. Thank Goodness we all survived. EEEEEEEEeeeeee. Put your mask on!

    • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 12:06 pm

      What could possibly be a problem with this? Having little mini-countries embedded within the United States, each with its own governmental structure, even its own courts? Gee, what’s to object to here?

      The zones would permit companies with large areas of land to form governments carrying the same authority as counties, including the ability to impose taxes, form school districts and courts and provide government services.

      It’s like these Dems are just so giddy with what they perceive as their unfettered power that they don’t feel constrained by silly things like our Constitution, or common sense. And of course there is the question of why any industry would think it could not operate within the governmental structures already in place.

      Clearly they want tax revenue so they aren’t dependent on profits, like other industries. And they want to be able to make, and then adjudicate, their own laws—gotta admit, that would be convenient.

      Maybe it’s time for a little history lesson. Once upon a time, a hard-core Leftist government run by the National Socialist Party which was closely aligned with the new fascist movement, also a Leftist political structure, struck deals with private industry to allow each to benefit from the contributions and protections of the other, This relationship with private industry allowed the Left to claim that this fascist government was, therefore, “right-wing”, a canard that exists to this day, as millions of ignorant people associate fascism with the Right.

      Now we have a hard-core Leftist government, run by the New Democrat Party and highly dependent on the tactics and strategies of former fascist regimes wanting to engage in a symbiotic relationship with private industry in which each would benefit from the contributions and protections of the other.

      Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  6. Retired Spook February 6, 2021 / 3:04 pm

    The one the few (maybe the only) bright spots in a Biden Administration is the inexhaustible supply of material for memes.

    • Amazona February 6, 2021 / 8:53 pm

      Your link wouldn’t work

      • Retired Spook February 7, 2021 / 12:15 am

        It worked earlier. Must be big tech censorship. It was a split photo, on top was a picture of the Three Stooges labeled “The Originals,” and on the bottom was a photo of Biden, Obama and Kerry, labeled “The cheap knockoffs.”

      • Amazona February 7, 2021 / 11:07 am

        Yes, it probably did offend someone. The censors are going to be very busy the next couple of years. As you say, this regime is going to be the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to material.

        One of the talk radio hosts referred to John F’n Kerry as looking like he came from Easter Island. And Jen Psaki has already given us “circle around” as well as her non-answer of how Biden is deeply religious and goes to church every morning, which would be the basis for a great SNL skit if they were inclined to try to be funny again.

  7. Amazona February 6, 2021 / 8:54 pm

    I am now in a good mood for the weekend, after seeing Christopher Walken in a whole new light.

    • ricorun February 7, 2021 / 10:46 am

      The best part about that video is that it had just enough cow bell.

      • Amazona February 7, 2021 / 11:01 am

        My thoughts exactly

  8. Amazona February 7, 2021 / 11:19 am

    Watch this. Trust me.

    • Retired Spook February 7, 2021 / 1:04 pm

      Someone sent me this in an email yesterday. Nancy, hypocrisy is thy name.

      • Amazona February 7, 2021 / 2:16 pm

        Charlie Kirk is a great example of what one person can do. He just started talking to other students about conservatism and then started Turning Point USA, … a national student movement dedicated to identifying, organizing, and empowering young people to promote the principles of free markets and limited government. With a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide, 250,000 student members, and over 450 full- and part-time staff, Turning Point USA is the largest and fastest-growing conservative youth activist organization in the country. This video is a Turning Point presentation.

        He, and Ben Shapiro, who is spearheading The Daily Wire, are also developing a visual media presence through productions like this one. There is work being done out there, work that needs our support and which should inspire us to do our part, even if that is only being one-on-one evangelists for the conservative movement. But we have to talk people about ideas, not about people. As fun as it might be to joke about Biden’s incompetence or Hunter’s decadence or Nancy’s hypocrisy, what will penetrate most will be ideas—the idea that in three short weeks our nation’s capital looks more like the Kremlin than the seat of a government dedicated to personal liberty, the idea that in less than a month we have a one-party rule that is openly discussing the incarceration of political opposition and actually implementing the Orwellian concept of punishment for Wrongthink, and so on.

      • Amazona February 7, 2021 / 8:14 pm

        My mingled senses of disgust and alarm at seeing how quickly the Left has been able to turn our nation’s capital into something out of a Third World dystopia are overwhelming. And the worst part of it is, they will succeed in convincing at least some of the sheeple in this country that this is necessary to protect the capital from those terrifying domestic terrorists, those Trump supporters who have suddenly, overnight, morphed from mild-mannered citizens to rampaging murdering savages intent on mounting a violent coup.

  9. Amazona February 8, 2021 / 9:11 am

    If you really want to see malicious and callous acts, then check out Pennsylvania’s Health Secretary Richard, uh, I mean Rachel Levine, who, while ordering Pennsylvania nursing homes to accept Wuhan patients, removed his own mother from a nursing home to keep her safe.

    Putting Levine in charge of health is sort of like making Jeffrey Dahmer the White House chef.

    Think about the cold-blooded, premeditation necessary to take action to save your own mother while condemning thousands of infirm and elderly Pennsylvanians to a preventable death

  10. dbschmidt February 8, 2021 / 7:15 pm

    I can see what the Dimmicrats are now attempting. Keep everyone under their thumb of Covid while offering scraps from the table. It was originally a Mittens offering but now Dems have picked up on the permanent payments to people with children as an effort to get more on their hand out band wagon of dependency. The “scientist” are now talking years.

    On a different front I couldn’t even finish an economist’s comparison of Biden’s plan to Carter’s. Malaise is too nice of a word for those that lived through that. Major attacks on the 2nd amendment–it appears they are going all out this go-round..

    Wayne Allen Root (think it was Town Hall) did have a good idea that sounds a lot like Amazona’s where the GOP rejects all dark money or corporate handouts and those of us 75 million give $10 a month to run the campaigns. If they expand that to education and other needs I would be on board. Even if only 50 million did it would be in the billions every cycle.

    Now my question is, and if it is as deep as I suspect–what happens when this fraudulent election is proven? I think to only reason no one will take it up, although several are on the docket or select-able by the SCOTUS. is the collapse it will entail when even the illerberals can no longer deny it.

    • Retired Spook February 8, 2021 / 7:29 pm

      Now my question is, and if it is as deep as I suspect–what happens when this fraudulent election is proven?

      That is the $64 trillion question, isn’t it? The complicit agenda media may not cover it, but it will get out there. Mike Lindell, the My Pillow guy has a 2 hour video that pretty well lays it all out. Not going to go away, and it’s going to get harder and harder to deny with a straight face.

      • ricorun February 9, 2021 / 12:25 pm

        Spook: Not going to go away, and it’s going to get harder and harder to deny with a straight face.

        I heard Lindell’s video went away. Is that true? Either way, I think what’s hard to do with a straight face is to watch the right wing fever swamp wring their collective hands over and over and still accomplish nothing.

      • Retired Spook February 9, 2021 / 12:49 pm

        I think the other shoe has yet to drop. We’ll see who has the last laugh. Regardless, the buyer’s remorse is already setting in.

  11. Retired Spook February 8, 2021 / 7:19 pm

    Coming from the state where Peyton Manning played most of his career for the Indianapolis Colts, I have to comment on last night’s Super Bowl. Saturday Manning was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and Sunday night his nemesis, Tom Brady, only 18 months younger than Manning, won his 7th Super Bowl in 10 appearances. Manning was a great quarterback and, by all accounts, an all-around nice guy. Brady is the greatest quarterback in the history of the NFL.

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