I detect a slight note of panic among Never Trump – and both parts of it: that which rejected the GOP and joined the Democrats and that which merely rejected Trump. They are in a fright because Trump isn’t going away. Things are not working out the way they hoped…their hope having been that once he was defeated, the Trumpsters would, one way or another, agree to allow Never Trump to resume power in the GOP. That isn’t happening.
This is because they fundamentally misunderstand Trump and his supporters – with the crucial thing being that it is Trump supporters who are driving the cart. These Trump supporters may, indeed, swing behind DeSantis or someone else in 2024, but only in so far as DeSantis or whomever prove themselves Trumpist. What Never Trump still doesn’t get – though some come very close to understanding – that we’d really rather lose on MAGA than win on anything else, because to win on anything else is to lose, anyway. We’re all in. Do or die.
Florida bans Critical Race Theory in public schools – this is a growing trend on the right and it is the first sign of real health in our body politic in decades. As I’ve said before: CRT is evil and it must go. The Republic is incompatible with people believing CRT. This is, to be sure, causing some breach among black Conservatives – because there are some who hold that CRT, though flawed, has some real truth to impart. I reject this notion. And it must be rejected because the ultimate basis of CRT is Marxism, which is inherently wrong and an intrinsic evil. Nothing which uses Marx in any way can be good or true.
AG Garland is going to investigate the audit of the 2020 election in Arizona. This is proof that fraud decided the 2020 contest. They are terrified of the truth coming out.
Democrats are in a fury against Manchin (D-WV). I really did expect him to cave long before this – if he runs for re-election in 2024, it is better than even money he loses. He can’t ever get the Democrat nomination for President or VP, so his only political future if a cabinet post, and he only gets that if he plays ball with the national Democrats. But, he’s still not playing ball. Maybe, at the end of the day, he just doesn’t want any political future? After all, he’s got the Senate pension sowed and he’s going to make bank as a lobbyist (if he wants). It might be that he’s simply uninterested in wrecking the Republic just to please people in New York and Los Angeles who despise him.
Inflation is rising, fast. The only good news here is that a repeat of Carter might give us a repeat of 1980.
Mark: I detect a slight note of panic among Never Trump…
I am certainly Never Trump, but I am perfectly fine with him sticking around. I mean think about it: he lost his re-election and lost the Senate and the House. He even lost the election he “won” by some 4 million votes or so. In other words, he’s never been very popular. And that was all before Jan 6, which alienated even more voters. So I rather hope he runs again, because it will eliminate any chance the TNP (you can’t call it the GOP anymore — better the Trump New Party) will win. So if it’s really true that you’d “rather lose on MAGA than win on anything else,” then be my guest. One of these days maybe the actual GOP will come to their senses, but I’m not holding my breath.
What do you think MAGA stands for and what about it do you find objectionable?
Amazona, that’s the way to zero into the meat of what I said. You go girl! Actually, you might try it once. I mean really, do you think my interpretation of MAGA was my main point? And actually, you should be asking Mark what HE meant by it.
I never said, hinted or implied that your interpretation of MAGA was your “main point”. It’s just a question, and one that seems to make you uncomfortable. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to try “once” so you clearly seem to think you are bouncing something back to me. Tough question? You sure spout off about all sorts of other things you find objectionable, like protecting the integrity of the vote by making sure that legitimate voters don’t get their votes canceled by fraud. That seems to get your panties in a twist.
Rico, do you work for MSNBC? That was some awesome rinse and repeat bullshit.
What part of is wasn’t true, Cluster?
Rico. Good to see you are still Alive and kicking. I’ve retired and moved to Hawaii. Climate is much nicer than Wyoming. I volunteer at a local museum and travel. I also have done presentations in classrooms in several states. I also travel a great deal. If you ever want to contact me let me know.
Mark, I agree that it is Trump supporters who are driving the cart. The problem is there are fewer of them every day. The Republican Party is getting smaller. That said, I was one of the 81 million voters for Biden and I have to say he is doing better than I ever expected. Over half the country vaccinated, added 2 million jobs, and the economy is reopening. Biden is far more popular than Trump ever was. Fun times.
Cluster, Good to see you are still around and just so you know, I don’t watch MSNBC or any other cable or network news. I don’t get cable or sat. TV. Might be in Arizona someday as I have a number of retired liberal friends who live there.
Amazona, I’m sure that I’ve given you plenty of things to attack me for, although it would interesting if you could come up with something new. Glad to see Colorado turn solidly blue, but not surprised that Wyoming is the Trumpyest state in the country. Good news is there are a lot more liberals there than you might think.
The economy is opening jp here and tourists are returning. I’m looking a five trips in the next six months. Life is good.
That said, I was one of the 81 million voters for Biden and I have to say he is doing better than I ever expected.
Words escape me other than the bar was set pretty low.
I was one of the 81 million voters for Biden and I’ll bet you wore that beloved Obama necktie to do it. If I had been asked to describe the typical Biden voter I would have described you.
Over half the country vaccinated with vaccines developed with previously unimagined speed thanks to the masterful management of President Trump
added 2 million jobs or, rather, finally got forced into allowing some liberty back into the economy, so some of the jobs put on hold could be resumed,. Not new jobs. And at the same time the job market is crippled by the insanity of paying people more to not work than they would earn by working.
the economy is reopening in spite of objections by the Left, after being artificially shut down due to false information provided by political hacks and supported by the Agenda Media
Biden is far more popular than Trump ever was Possibly the most delusional comment you have ever made—and that is saying something.
Glad to see Colorado turn solidly blue, though it is not as solid as you would like to believe. Commandant Polis and his regime are losing favor, and there is rumbling among the masses about the influence of Californians and outside money taking over the state. There is a narrow strip of communities roughly parallel to Interstate 25, from Denver to Fort Collins, that accounts for about 90% of the Dem vote, while the rest of the state is solidly red.
Amazona, I’m sure that I’ve given you plenty of things to attack me for, including your penchant for whining. But you call it like you see it, which is evidently the perception that being called out on your lies is the same as being attacked. But as long as you are no longer poisoning the minds of children with your toxic nonsense, I don’t care what you do or where you do it.
Biden is far more popular than Trump ever was in Russia and China, anyway. And being a laughingstock in the rest of the world might add to his popularity—a lot of people like clowns, and the chance to laugh at the united States as its so-called leader beclowns himself has to generate a lot of appreciation for the doofus.
And BTW, Uncle Gropey, you’ve been in office 145 days, not 120. This exchange was characterized as “creepy” by several in the international press:
Ric Grenell also notices how much more popular Biden is in Europe than the bad Mean Tweeter:
Europe loves controlling Biden! Watch this….
They LOVE him. I mean, they are ecstatic to have Biden in the US chair.
Boris Johnson insists to Joe Biden that he already introduced the president of South Africa to a G7 meeting.Watch him being shushed by Johnson.
Good thing “Doctor” Jill was along at the G7 to refill Gropy Joe’s sippy cup, or he might have REALLY embarrassed himself and the United States.
Casper must have loved the Carter years.
Casper will no doubt claim this is an “attack” on him, but he is a perfect example of the average Dem.
He is not clinically stupid, He has the intelligence to get some degrees, he writes with an acceptable level of literacy, he has impressed enough people to get speaking engagements, and he is clearly not actually stupid.
Yet he is driven by a compulsion that makes him appear profoundly mentally challenged, because it drives him to make absurd statements that are easily and obviously contradicted by readily available data, and adopt policies and positions that cannot be objectively defended as rational.
I understand being led astray by emotion, but what I don’t understand is the underlying mental and emotional construct that makes hateful and negative emotions so appealing. It’s as if there is an inborn switch in the minds of some people that, when flipped in one direction draws them to what we call the Dark Side—-to ideas based primarily on hating an Invented Other, which in most of these people is so strong it overrides any inclination to analyze the invention upon which the hatred is based, to see if it is accurate or relevant. In some of these people this compulsion is so strong it literally blots out rational thought. and drives them to publicly beclown themselves with insane spittle-flying personal attacks on people just because they are on The Other Side. Think of Joe Scarborough. Think of people who call Trump Hitler or Stalin.
Casper tries to stay on the fake-happy side of this compulsion, seemingly avoiding the vicious attacks on this Invented Other in favor of smiley-face babbling about the joys and wonders of his chosen side—but he couldn’t be so dedicated to the fantasies he spouts if he were not originally driven by this deep seated kernel of attraction to the negative that lies at the core of the web of lies where he gets his illusions and delusions.
There was a time—a time I think was a happier, healthier and generally better time—when such addiction to the negative, to the ugly, to the hateful, was accurately seen as a personality disorder. While it was not always treatable, it was generally accepted in society as something that should not be broadcast, that should be kept to oneself as much as possible.
I think what has happened over the past fifty years or so, probably starting with the successes of the Left in the 60s. has been the Left actively recruiting people with these personality disorders, and then telling them that it is these very dysfunctional perceptions of people and life that makes them special, and that these emotions should be expressed at any opportunity. Over the past few decades the formerly frowned-up characteristics of rage and hatred and emotional violence have been encouraged.
Now even the milquestoast Left, like Casper, are so addicted to the underlying core of irrationality and dislike and anger that they are incapable of admitting to anything that does not fit into the model presented to them of the inherent superiority of their chosen tribe and its tenets and doctrines.
So now we have people like Casper blindly asserting that more than 80,000,000 people voted FOR Joe Biden, in spite of the obvious and inescapable fact that he, and his campaign (such as it was) never gave them anything to vote FOR. He was a bland, ineffective chameleon who was usually fading into the background, taking on the coloration of whoever was center stage. His entire approach to the public was simple: “I’M NOT TRUMP”. And this had great appeal to those who do not think but only feel, who had obediently been led to bizarre and irrational hatred of Donald Trump to the point of turning our government over to someone, pretty much anyone, who was Not Trump, so much so that they preferred someone who makes the term “empty suit” literally mean “a suit with no one in it”.
What we on the Right have trouble understanding, what bewilders us, is why some people cling to the ugly, the hateful, the sour, the surly, the controlling need to despise individuals instead of standing back and examining policies of government independent of the personalities involved. Why anyone would choose to protect and nurture that kind of emotional and mental abscess, as it leaks emotional and intellectual toxins into the system, and let it guide every aspect of how they think and feel, is incomprehensible to people who lack that kind of negative core.
Another thing I dislike about Casper is his hypocrisy. He used to brag about being a mentor of kids who were often vulnerable, yet he fawns over a man who used the authority of his office (vice president of the United States) to grope and massage the breasts of pre-pubescent girls. This has been documented in several C-Span videos of him taking advantage of photo ops while he was swearing in new members of Congress, in which he swooped in on young girls, positioned them next to him or in front of him, and then during the ceremonies either fondled them or pressed them against his crotch. When his daughter in law went to him for help because his adult son was making sexual advances to his own niece, Joe’s granddaughter, Joe dismissed this with the comment that she (the mother) was the one who needed counseling. (Of course we have since learned that she had reason to be concerned, given the salacious photos of Hunter and her young daughter found on his laptop.)
When there is breathless pearl-clutching and outrage at the fact that Donald Trump, an adult in his mid years, engaged in mutually consensual dalliances with adult women and then the predatory pedophilia of Joe Biden is ignored or dismissed, it is hard to have any respect for the hypocrites. And to have a former middle school teacher who always bragged about his protective relationships with vulnerable young students then become a Joe Biden cheerleader (the inaccuracy of his alleged reasoning aside) is simply disgusting.
I will definitely do that, Casper! Although I’m bummed to hear you’re not in Wyoming anymore. Wyoming is one of the four states (along with Montana and the Dakotas) that I haven’t been to at least once. And when I retire (I promise that one of these days I’m gonna retire) I’ve promised myself (I promise stuff a lot) to fill in those four states. So where are you in Hawaii?
Oh, Rico, you are so funny. Reading your post, it was clear that you just went down the TDS list and checked every box.
One of the funny things I’ve noticed is Vote Creep. That is, the number of votes alleged to have been for Uncle Gropey keeps creeping up. Now you claim it is something like 4 million more votes than were counted for Trump—but when you look at the four or five states where uncertifiable vote tallies were certified fewer than a hundred thousand votes in total made the difference. As NPR’s Domenico Montanaro has put it, “just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College.”
lost the Senate and the House though the Senate balance remained the same (a new definition for “lost”?) and we gained seats in the House.
And that was all before Jan 6, which alienated even more voters Well, it alienated even more Dem voters. Republicans for the most part are smart enough to know that redefining terms like “subversion” and “insurrection” is a ploy that works OK with the low-information Dem sheeple, but for people who can think, not so much. You would be surprised by how many people were paying attention not to the howling talking heads of the Agenda Media but to the people who said what they wanted to accomplish, which was not overturning the election, or taking over the government, or scaring the pee out of some Dem sock puppets, but merely to postpone the certification for ten days to have a little time to investigate the worst of the very credible claims of malfeasance in the counting processes. And, of course, we also understand that the lies about the event are necessary to distract from the uncomfortable fact that objective investigation into the various nefarious issues surrounding the election is terrifying to the Left, which barely eked out its “victory”, even with the suppression of the information about Biden corruption (father and son) and the unsavory history of Biden Senior pawing young girls and the whole gamut of Hunter Biden depravity and so on.
Even with Facebook and Twitter and NPR and all the networks and most of the cable shows conspiring to spread lies about Trump while muzzling him and information as much as they could, at the same time providing cover for Biden corruption and incompetence, it still came down to highly questionable vote counting in 3 states. Not bad for someone “unpopular”.
Ricorun is whom the Narrative is for: it provides him a neat, tidy package which confirms his prejudices. The MSM isn’t intended to convince us any longer – and they know it: that’s why their bias is so obvious these days. They’re not trying to hide it any longer…they’re just hoping that Ricorun and the millions like him will never bother to check anything out.
Ricorun will never consider the possibility that the MSM might be lying. Never consider, for instance, that it took a miraculous vote total in 4 States to push the senile dunce over the top. Nor will he consider the reason why so many are now denouncing the audit in Arizona. To be sure, I don’t expect the audit to reveal definitive proof – too much time has passed with its opportunities to destroy evidence. But, man: are they in a panic about it. Why? Why would any who believes that the 2020 vote was totally legit have the slightest concern about someone auditing it? Even Liz Cheney, continuing her audition for an MSNBC gig, was out today calling the audit an assault on Democracy! How? How can it be that? It was a public vote; an act of the people’s government. How can any possible study of it cause Democracy to crumble? You and I know why: because they cheated and even if solid proof doesn’t come out, there will be lots of questions about the legitimacy of the vote. Ricorun? Nope – MSNBC has spoken and there will be no questions!
And its all rather sad – after all, I have picked up some commie friends of late. People who, like me, have picked up on the double con which has been run. They picked up on it years ago, just like I did. To be sure, they want things like free college and single payer…but they’ve learned that the Democrats won’t really give that to them. Just as the GOP won’t give us pro-life laws. That’s all just election-year bullsh** designed to sucker us. That is why we rolled the dice with Trump – and our reward for this was, most importantly, that the mask was ripped off. We saw in the bright light of day that our “Leaders” had been knifing us all along. Most Democrats haven’t had this epiphany yet – they still believe that Joe Biden cares. Heck, they even believe Joe Biden is in charge! The damned fool was social distancing and elbow-butting with the G7 leaders today…they’re all vaccinated! Even Boris Johnson went along with it! And he’s had the disease! These aren’t leaders – they’re mindless puppets of a global Ruling Class. It is Left in orientation (they hate Christians, after all), but at the end of the day, their main purpose is to protect their own power and wealth. Ricorun doesn’t see that – doesn’t see that he’s being sold out. That Trump was the first American politician in ages who was actually on his side.
Mark, you say of the Arizona audit: To be sure, I don’t expect the audit to reveal definitive proof – too much time has passed with its opportunities to destroy evidence. Yet there is evidence that can’t be destroyed. There is the hand count of the ballots that have been counted, plus analysis of the paper of questionable ballots, plus examination of envelopes to see if they contain signatures. Ken Bennett, the former AZ Secretary of State, who is overseeing the audit, said: I think it’s imperative that we take the opportunity to verify at least thousands of the envelope signatures to make sure that there weren’t blank signatures allowed to go through the mail in process — because that signature of the voter on the envelope is the voter’s affidavit that their ballot is inside. We’ve heard rumors that there may have been thousands of envelopes allowed to go through and opened and ballots counted without any signature whatsoever on the envelope. If that happened that’s a huge no-no and so there are other very important things besides just the hand count and the paper evaluation that yet or yet to be done.
Paper examination table uses digital single-lens reflex (DSLR) cameras.
0% chance of damaging ballots
Determines which oval was marked and if marked by a human.
Analyzes fibers of ballot material and barely-detectable yellow-dot watermarks.)
And we have learned that photocopying machines leave metadata in the images that can identify the machines.
This is a good overview of what has been learned so far:
A.U.D.I.T. of Elections: Hot and Getting Hotter!
Hey, I hope it does come out – but they did have some time! The absolute panic setting in about the audit shows that they know they cheated and at least have a fear that the truth will come out.
I think all Democrats should be thrilled with the audit to prove with 100% certainty that they beat Orange Man. Right?
I think all Democrats should be thrilled with the audit to prove with 100% certainty that they beat Orange Man. Right?
Except those in the know know they didn’t.
Mark: Ricorun will never consider the possibility that the MSM might be lying.
Which particular news outlet are you referring to? Or do you think all of the outlets someone has included in the MSM at one point or another are included? But the fact is, it’s not just the MSM, however it is defined, it is many of the career bureaucrats that have served in one or more previous administrations, many of the career law enforcement personnel, most of the judiciary at pretty much every level, and many in Trump’s own administration that that “think” Trump is lying. I put “think” in quotes because it would be more accurate to say “know”. I didn’t say the latter because I didn’t want your head to explode.
Mark: Never consider, for instance, that it took a miraculous vote total in 4 States to push the senile dunce over the top.
And the same was true in 2016. What’s your point?
Mark: yadda yadda yadda… Even Liz Cheney, continuing her audition for an MSNBC gig, was out today calling the audit an assault on Democracy! How? How can it be that?
Well, it does certainly appear that the so-called “audit” is not a bipartisan or nonpartisan endeavor. And if it isn’t, that is certainly an assault on Democracy. May I remind you that the vote in Arizona had already been audited? Your problem is that the previous one WAS a nonpartisan audit, but it concluded in favor of Biden.
For the record, I have watched MSNBC almost as much as I have watched FoxNews, which is to say very rarely.
Mark These aren’t leaders – they’re mindless puppets of a global Ruling Class. It is Left in orientation (they hate Christians, after all), but at the end of the day, their main purpose is to protect their own power and wealth. Ricorun doesn’t see that – doesn’t see that he’s being sold out. That Trump was the first American politician in ages who was actually on his side.
Actually, I’ve been whining about the “global Ruling Class” for a very long time. Look back in your archives. And it’s a very big (and very important) topic which I don’t want to get into at present. And I’ve appreciated how you’ve railed against it in recent years. I believe our main disagreement is how we characterize Trump. You say that “Trump was the first American politician in ages who was actually on his side.” I’m assuming you mean my side, and further meaning that you think I’m about median in income or so. And that’s the irony, because I’m not. The Trump tax cuts were very, very good to me. But not just me — Trump too. It is not too farfetched to say that those tax cuts were a way for him to protect his own power and wealth. They definitely benefited the rich, especially the ultra-rich. And it’s not right. There’s something terribly wrong when Trump’s receptionist pays more in federal income taxes than Trump does.
Mark: Ricorun will never consider the possibility that the MSM might be lying.
Which particular news outlet are you referring to?
Answer: Every single “news” outlet that falsely accused the January 6 rioters of either subversion or insurrection.
Any “journalist” has the same access to definitions of terms that I do, and in addition has the professional requirement to be accurate in his or her use of the language as well as in reporting of events, so I have to consider each and every use of these terms as purposeful lying.
When the terms are used by non-journos, I can write it off as mere hysteria and/or stupidity, but journos supposedly have professional standards and accurate use of the language is supposed to be part of their job description. So “lying” is really the only explanation for making wildly false claims.
I continue to object to the term “MSM” or “Mainstream Media” because this implies that the Agenda Media actually represent mainstream America.
As for listing the lies of CNN, MSNBC and network “news” it would take a long thread dedicated to that, updated hourly. From the big lies I”hydroxychloroquine will kill you”) to the editorial spins in which the medium “puts in context” something that was said or done, the Agenda Media are now just propaganda arms of the Left.
One example of the Agenda Media lying was the editing of the Access Hollywood video, in which the important contextual content was eliminated—the part where Trump was talking about the willingness of some women to make themselves sexually available to him because he was a TV star—and leaped to the carefully edited part where he concluded that when this happened he could grab them by the genitals and they wouldn’t care. This carefully constructed lie led millions to believe that he was bragging that he had done so.
A list of similar examples would be massively long.
You seem quite impressed by the fact that a lot of people who are not in the media think that sometimes Trump has lied. This, as well as the fact that this is true, are testaments to the power of GIGO. In other words, why would a mid-level career bureaucrat, who never met Trump and who has no personal experience or expertise regarding a statement he made, believe he “lied”? For the same reason all the other gullible lemmings believe it—-they were told he was lying.
I also think we need to look at what qualifies as a “lie” by the anti-Trump contingent. To these people, if Trump were to say he was 6″4″ and someone dug up an old school record saying he was 6’3″ that would mean he ‘LIED”. I used to track down a lot of the “he lied” claims and never found an example of a truly significant and purposeful effort to mislead.
You say: Well, it does certainly appear that the so-called “audit” is not a bipartisan or nonpartisan endeavor. And if it isn’t, that is certainly an assault on Democracy. May I remind you that the vote in Arizona had already been audited? Your problem is that the previous one WAS a nonpartisan audit, but it concluded in favor of Biden.
When you complain that the Arizona audit is not bipartisan or nonpartisan, you appear to be implying that this means it is not legitimate or trustworthy. Perhaps it would make more sense to a fair and reasonable person to examine the resulting data and then question it if it does not appear to be fully documented. Your following statement—that not having some arbitrary number of some political representatives participating at some level you would find acceptable—is in some way “an assault on Democracy”. That kind of statement is one of the most vapid and simple-minded and downright goofy statements made, yet it is quite popular with a segment of the population. Well, democracy is a political system in which leaders are chosen by a majority of the citizens. We have a democratic republic, in which representatives are chosen by a vote, and this system is not only under “assault” by an effort to make sure that the deciding votes are legitimate, it is protected by such an effort. The only “an assault on Democracy.” is a system which first allows illegitimate votes to be cast and counted but then prevents this assault to be identified and corrected.
You are also wrong when you say the Arizona vote has already been audited. Once again, we run into the pattern of simply redefining words to try to shape the discourse. The Arizona vote count has NOT been audited: the ballots were recounted. As you clearly did not choose to read the link I posted I will cite the elements of a true audit, as it is being performed in Arizona. Then, with some actual facts instead of the voices in your head, you can address these elements of the audit and explain to us which you find objectionable:
Steps to the AZ Audit
Phase 1 – Canvassing – Currently indefinitely delayed by the AZ Senate.
Did you vote?
Does it match?
There have been innumerable reports of mismatch anomalies.
Was the voter registration history changed?
Phase 2 – Physical ballots
Actual ballot counting: Everyone can relate to the concept of counting paper ballots. Maricopa volunteer counters must have voted in the Nov 2020 election. No determination whether the counter volunteer is a Republican or a Democrat.
If a count is off by more than 1 person per 50 ballots counted, then the ballots are recounted
It takes approximately 8 seconds to count a ballot. There is no way to coordinate or sully this very precise process. “There is no speed without accuracy.”
Paper examination table uses digital single-lens reflex (DSLR) cameras.
0% chance of damaging ballots
Determines which oval was marked and if marked by a human.
Analyzes fibers of ballot material and barely-detectable yellow-dot watermarks.
Every last ballot should be able to be accounted for.
Bottom Line: Opposition pushback may be an indication of the more questionable areas to investigate
Phase 3 – Electronic Voting Systems
Digital capture of the voting systems (that were provided) has been completed.
CyFIR followed industry best practices with write-block devices that prevented any hard drive from being changed.
Analysis of the data captured is ongoing.
Phase 4 – Results
Numbers from various phases will be compared against the certified results.
Notice that in the actual ballot counting, “No determination whether the counter volunteer is a Republican or a Democrat.”
As for your claim that “the vote in Arizona had already been audited” this is simply not true. The ballots that had been counted once were counted again. That is not an audit.
One final reminder: the AZ audit is NOT the “gold standard” for audits, as previously reported here. “Based on economic and time constraints (due in part to the aggressive resistance against any meaningful election audit), the Maricopa audit is a partial forensics audit. Based on the Statement of Work, we’d estimate that it is 75% of an FFA [full forensic audit].”
There is growing understanding that resistance to objective verification of the legitimacy of the vote is really what amounts to—to borrow the overheated rhetoric of the hyperventilating and panicky Left—AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY
There’s something terribly wrong when Trump’s receptionist pays more in federal income taxes than Trump does.
Oh my goodness—that tired old meme is being resurrected, evidently because there are still a few who will fall for it. This takes me back to my observation about Leftists in an earlier post, about the emotional brain switch that creates the compulsion that makes (them) appear profoundly mentally challenged, because it drives (them) to make absurd statements that are easily and obviously contradicted by readily available data
You’ve had a chance to see Trump’s tax return, and any accountant can explain it to you. He’s paid millions in taxes. You’ve never seen his “receptionist’s” tax return, and you seem to think he has the kind of office where he even HAS a “receptionist”.
Amazona: Answer: Every single “news” outlet that falsely accused the January 6 rioters of either subversion or insurrection.
I presume you’re questioning the semantics. So I looked up the official definition of “insurrection”: a violent uprising against an authority or government. Judging from the myriad videos that were shot on that day, many by the rioters themselves, I’d say that’s pretty accurate. So, what term(s) would you use?
I’m afraid there’s a lot to unpack in your post(s), and I only have a very limited amount of time. But I remind you that my primary point is that I’m fine with Trump heading the GOP ticket in 2024, because I think he will lose. He might get even more votes that in 2020 (Van Buren not withstanding), but he’ll still lose. And if you’re fine with that, go for it!
Nice cherry-picking of definitions. What about mine? What makes your “official” definition more official than mine? You conveniently left out a reason for a violent uprising, which of course has to be, as the Cambridge Dictionary points out, to “defeat their government and take control of their country”.
meaning: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence:”
or–and this is so important I will highlight it: As it points out, In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government yet the Trump supporters were clearly not organized and were not armed, and of course they had no intent to establish any alternative control of the government or the nation.
Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.
The latter citation, by the way, is from Insurrection Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
Insurrection Law and Legal Definition. Insurrection
Your definition implies that any violent pushback against any authority or government is an “insurrection” but in fact what the Trump supporters wanted was not an overthrow of the government or anything even close to that but just a pause in a proceeding to allow time to look into serious issues affecting the core of our democracy—a legitimate vote of the citizenry. In other words, the pushback was not against the government itself, but against an arbitrary decision to go through a process at one time instead of at another, in the belief that failing to take the time to examine the issues could result in harm to our form of government..
You people have turned the entire thing inside out and upside down, which is par for the course for the Left. The Trump supporters were fighting to protect our government, not overthrow it.
And the determination of some very dedicated people since then is proving that they were right. Evidence is mounting that we had an election so rife with corruption and cheating that the wrong candidate was named president, and we are seeing the disastrous results of that error.
We know, and the Left knows, that if a ten day delay in certification had allowed for examinations like we are seeing in Arizona, and explanations of the legal implications of certifying vote tallies that had been proven to be so imprecise they could not legitimately determine who had gotten how many votes, several states would probably have refused to certify, throwing the decision into the House. This is why the entire charade had to be mounted, to create so much pressure on even the Republicans in Congress they would feel they had no choice but to certify.
What was interrupted by the commotion? Not the certification, but the arguments against immediate certification. That is, the goals of the Republicans were thwarted by the incident. And who, exactly, did that benefit? It always comes back to cui bono?
if you’re fine with that, go for it!
You seem to think you are being quite clever. My opinion, not so much.
In a snapshot of the political arena today, Trump might not win. But in two and a half years, after years of Carteresque economic malaise, international strife, the inevitable problems we can foresee given the flaccid Biden relations with nations who do not have our best interests at heart, information about the core corruption of the Biden administration that is giving billions of this “relief” money to special interests, the Hunter Biden money laundering scheme of “selling” blobs of paint spit through a straw for millions of dollars to anonymous “buyers”, more information coming out about the Biden corruption during his vice presidency and the rest of the predictable train wreck of Democrat governance and he is going to look pretty darned good. Especially given the quality of the Dems on the back bench, weak in themselves and having to run either on the Biden “accomplishments” or against them and the entire Leftist playbook.
And a clever candidate will run not just against any person but against the ideology represented by the person and its effects on this nation.
But let’s go back to “insurrection” for a moment. You do realize we have a vice president who openly not just encouraged violent uprisings against city and state governments and efforts to burn federal employees alive but said these efforts should continue, and donated money to get these bad actors back out on the streets to continue their violence? Have you wondered what a Republican House might do with such a vice president, or president?
it still came down to highly questionable vote counting in 3 states. Not bad for someone “unpopular”.
He also received over 8 million more votes than any incumbent president in history. The only president who received a bigger percentage increase from his first election to his second and lost was Martin Van Buren in 1840.
When we consider that no one has challenged the Trump vote count we can take it to be accurate, while the Biden alleged vote count is credibly challenged all over the country.
There’s an interesting chart in the article I linked in my response to Mark
Here’s the really cool thing – by cheating to get Trump out, they’ve likely set themselves up a meltdown in 2022 and then they’ve got 2024. Unlikely that Joe will be even remotely fit…so, stuck with Kamala except there does seem to be some efforts in Team Biden to burnish Jill as Joe’s successor. They might very well have shot themselves in the foot.
I’m not sure how they could have Jill succeed Mattressback Kammy, unless Harris is forced to retire and then Joe names Jill as her replacement, and even as tone deaf as the Dems are I can’t see that going over well.
They might very well have shot themselves in the foot.
Hopefully, a little higher up.
by cheating to get Trump out, they’ve likely set themselves up a meltdown in 2022 and then they’ve got 2024
This is part of what I have been referring to when I talk about the pendulum starting to swing back.
For one thing, the Left was so blatant in its election-stealing it was an amazing exhibition of hubris. As others have commented, they may have been taken by surprise by the overwhelming Trump support and had to double down on what used to be adequate cheating and felt that they had to go into cheating overdrive, but seriously, they had to know that they were basically ringing alarms and calling attention to what they were up to. It looks like they lost control, and instead of just having one or two plans in play they had individuals winging it and ended up with so many infractions piling up even they couldn’t keep track of them. Shipping boxes of ballots from one state to another, midnight deliveries of boxes of ballots in dark parking lots, dumping thousands of pre-printed and copied ballots without even trying to get close to the right kind of paper or having people fold them so they could pass for mail-in ballots, using stupid and easily-checked excuses for “shutting down counting” and then kicking it up a notch when observers were gone, it was one rookie mistake after another, But they panicked, once they realized that paying bums to vote or mining nursing homes for ballots filled out by activists just wouldn’t give them the volume of Biden votes they needed.
But then they really blew it in their responses to requests for audits. They were brilliant in their January 6 strategy, making it impossible for weak-kneed Republicans to go along with a ten-day delay in certification, but then they kept amping up their objections to levels of shrill hysteria that kept escalating as the panic was highlighted. Every time I think they have run out of tricks to distract the public they come up with another one, to the point where I am getting nervous about how far they will go in their efforts to divert attention away from the investigations. Because nothing they are trying is working. I think the opposite is happening, as even supporters of Biden are wondering what there is to be so afraid of, if the election was legitimate.
The heroes of this rebellion against the tyranny of the Left are those working in the trenches, steadfastly continuing their research and investigations while the screeching and name-calling and smearing and efforts to intimidate explode around them.
Amazon: One of the funny things I’ve noticed is Vote Creep. That is, the number of votes alleged to have been for Uncle Gropey keeps creeping up. Now you claim it is something like 4 million more votes than were counted for Trump—but when you look at the four or five states where uncertifiable vote tallies were certified fewer than a hundred thousand votes in total made the difference. As NPR’s Domenico Montanaro has put it, “just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College.”
Read what I said more carefully — I was referring to the gap between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Biden beat the Carrot Top by more than 7 million.
So sorry, rico. I didn’t realize you had gone back five years to find something you could pretend was relevant. Yes, the official count in 2016 had Hillary with more votes, and you Lefties were thrilled with that. You even say, now, that this proves that Trump’s “…never been very popular….” But what it proves is that, as we pointed out so often back then, that Trump’s “never been very popular” in Manhattan or Los Angeles, either of which accounted for nearly all of those much-vaunted votes. We looked at the map of the country and found it overwhelmingly red, with just a few abscesses of blue along the coasts.
Here’s a Blast From the Past—in an article about Jon Lovitz criticizing Cancel Culture, there is a montage of Norm McDonald telling Clinton jokes.
I’d forgotten the politically incorrect humor that was spawned by the Clinton presidency. Lovitz is right — it wouldn’t play today. He’s also right that the Left has lowered the speed limit on anything that doesn’t dovetail with its ideology to zero.
A couple of things are starting to break out of the Leftist effort to block them. One is the increasing information not just about the origin of the Covid-19 virus but also of the reason this was either denied or simply covered up. (emphasis mine)
[T]he more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide. The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.
“For some of the officials who were privately suspicious of the Wuhan lab, Trump’s and Navarro’s comments turned the lab-leak scenario into a fringe conspiracy theory,” the Post found, “It became nearly impossible to generate interest among health experts in a hypothesis that Trump had turned into a political weapon, they said.”
That is an extraordinarily damning admission. Health experts who understood all along that it was entirely possible that the virus emerged from a lab simply refused to examine the hypothesis because it had become associated with the likes of Donald Trump.
Katherine Eban, writing in Vanity Fair, has written a lengthy exposé drawing out the failure in detail. One State Department official wrote that his team was warned not to investigate the origins of the pandemic because it would “open a can of worms.” Miles Yu, the State Department’s principal China strategist, tells Eban, “Anyone who dares speak out would be ostracized.” After former CDC head Robert Redfield said he believed the virus originated in a lab, he tells Eban “I was threatened and ostracized because I proposed another hypothesis.”
Another, related, fact that is starting to gain acceptance and attention is that an untold number of people, probably in the tens of thousands at the very least, died unnecessarily for similar wholly political reasons. That is, that people were denied life-saving drug therapies simply because Trump had supported them.
Some governors banned the prescription of hydroxychloroquine. Some pharmacies refused to honor prescriptions for the drug. Agenda Media outlets had headlines screaming that HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE WILL KILL YOU! Rather than administer drugs known to fight inflammation, which was the true underlying killer of Covid-19, people were told they would die if they took them—so they died anyway.
Former Trump adviser Peter Navarro has strong words for Dr. Anthony Fauci and far-left network CNN for dismissing the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19, after a new study found that treatments of the malaria drug combined with zinc more than doubled the survival rate of coronavirus patients on ventilators.
Navarro says Fauci and CNN have blood on their hands.
What are the details?
“I had 60 million tablets of HCQ that Tony Fauci and @cc wouldn’t allow the American public to use because of their Hydroxy Hysteria,” Navarro tweeted on Thursday. “Blood on @JohnBerman @cnn and Saint Fauci’s hands. More than 50,000 Americans would be alive today.”
The economist shared a link to an article by The Daily Mail, titled, “Was Trump right about hydroxychloroquine all along? New study shows drug touted by former president can increase COVID survival rates by 200%.”
Spook, this is from a completely unrelated article but it reminded me of your many comments about the inaccuracy of economists: There’s an old joke about an economist and an engineer who fall into a deep hole together. As the engineer is devising ways to get out of the hole, the economist says, “Don’t worry, I’ll get us out. First, assume a ladder.”