Open Thread

They had the oral arguments for the challenge to Mississippi’s 15 week abortion ban. I read a lot of very smart takes on it, and some raving lunacy from the Left as well. Bottom line is that no one can say for certain how the Court will rule. Strike down? Narrowly uphold? Revoke Roe? Until the ruling comes down, we’re all guessing. Justice Thomas asked what is, to me, the key question: where is this in the Constitution? It isn’t, of course, and the Court’s decision to invent a right to abortion out of thin air was horrible…and it is a very key cause to the hatred in American politics these days. I do hope the Justices lance this boil. And some smart people think they might – that the lines of questioning have some thinking it will be 6-3 to strike Roe down…with Roberts merely going along with the majority. If it is struck down, I hope Thomas is the decision author. It will be his legacy to the United States.

Bank of America execs advise their staffers to “dress down” when they come into the office in NYC…to avoid being targeted by violent crime. This won’t, of course, stop BofA from being a reliable defender of the Ruling Class. The younger people don’t remember the crime wave of the 60’s to the 90’s…and this one is going to be vastly worse than the first because at least during the earlier crime wave, cops were trying to stop it. Now? A cop would be a fool to try and stop it…make the slightest mistake in making an arrest, and you’re life is ruined. The criminals know this. Criminals are cowards and they aren’t very bright – but they also know when it is open season.

Dr Oz announced he is running for Senate in Pennsylvania as a Conservative Republican…which is quite a surprise for a guy who got his start with Oprah. The bottom line is that he’s taken a large number of far Left positions over the years, most notably on gun control. This, naturally, caused the right to drop on him like a ton of bricks. Except for me: we’ve all had an education this past five years. All of us, no matter how knowledgeable or perceptive, have found that things we used to believe were false in whole or in part. Perhaps Dr Oz has had a bit of an awakening? I put it like this: I don’t care if you were wearing a Che shirt at an Antifa rally yesterday – if today you are saying the Left has to go: welcome to the party. I think we should listen to what Oz has to say and make the call on that…not hang him out to dry because of positions he took in the past.

Hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio likened China disappearing people to being “a strict parent”. The video is nauseating – and if you still wonder why I stopped being a supporter of Capitalism, here it is. For every Elon Musk – who seems a decent enough fellow – there are a score of Dalios: amoral, money-mad creeps who don’t give a damn what happens to people as long as they can make money. The only way to stop them – the only way – is to confiscate their money. People like this warp our debate and prevent a clean, clear view of the world. They keep us shackled to China as we slip ever further down into a deindustrialized, drug-addled dependency. In the end, they go or we do.

47 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Amazona December 3, 2021 / 8:59 pm

    Spook, you might ask Jim Banks why he voted for that awful data bank bill. I know, 79 other “Republicans” did, too, which takes me back to my insistence that we categorize based on ideology more than identity.

    You can’t believe in a federal government severely restricted as to size, scope and power and then vote to create a national database of people based on whether or not they have obeyed the demands of a tyrannical government.

    Hopefully we will have enough Senators with backbones to keep this from being enacted.

    • Retired Spook December 4, 2021 / 8:40 am

      I’m not familiar with what bill you’re talking about.

      • Amazona December 4, 2021 / 11:46 am

        A shocking number of House Republicans joined Democrats on Tuesday to pass a bill that would fund a federal vaccination database and give more power to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Public Health Department to share information with the federal government.

        H.R. 550, known as the Immunization Infrastructure Modernization Act, allocates $400 million to fund “immunization system data modernization and expansion.” The bill’s text describes the system as “a confidential, population-based, computerized database that records immunization doses administered by any health care provider to persons within the geographic area covered by that database.”

        In total, 80 Republicans voted for H.R. 550, including four who co-sponsored the legislation: Reps. Larry Bucshon (R-IN), James Baird (R-IN), David McKinley (R-WV), and Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA).

        According to Rep. Mary Miller, who voted “no,” the bill will only make it easier for the federal government to target unvaccinated Americans.

        “These systems are designed to allow for the sharing of crucial information and maintenance of records. Do we really trust the government to protect our medical records?” the Illinois Republican told Breitbart. “The bill’s author even bragged in her press release that these systems will help the government remind patients when they are due for a recommended vaccine and identify areas with low vaccination rates to ensure equitable distribution of vaccines. This was clearly a legislative tool to enforce vaccine mandates and force their Orwellian rules onto those who do not comply.”

      • Retired Spook December 4, 2021 / 11:57 am

        I’m a subscriber to NWYC (National Write Your Congressman), an organization that’s been around since the late 1950s. They coordinate non-partisan information about proposed legislation, showing both pros and cons and prepare talking points so their members can communicate easily with legislators. Here’s what they say about HR550:


        On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass, as Amended: H R 550 Immunization Infrastructure Modernization Act

        Motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended, that would authorize $400 million for the Health and Human Services Department to conduct activities and award grants to expand and improve immunization information systems administered by state and local governments and used by health care providers and public health departments, including for grants to improve the quality and security of immunization-related data collection; train health care providers in settings where immunizations are provided; support the standardization of immunization information systems and their interoperability with health information technology; and support rapid identification of immunization coverage gaps. It would require the department to designate data and technology standards for grant recipients; submit to Congress a plan to carry out activities required by the bill; and submit to Congress a report describing barriers to implementing interoperable immunization information systems and assessing immunization coverage gaps in medically underserved areas.

        Motion agreed to by a vote of 294 – 130:
        Republicans 80-130
        Democrats 214-0

        It sounds pretty innocuous to me. What do either of you know that’s not spelled out here?

      • Amazona December 4, 2021 / 8:45 pm

        immunization-related data collection; train health care providers in settings where immunizations are provided; support the standardization of immunization information systems and their interoperability with health information technology; and support rapid identification of immunization coverage gaps.

        1. immunization-related data collection
        2. standardization of immunization information systems
        3. interoperability with health information technology
        4. rapid identification of immunization coverage gaps

        To sum it up, it lets the government keep track of who and who is not “immunized” To which I respond: “Why?” Or to be more blunt, “It’s none of their effing business” .

        Once upon a time the idea of a Social Security Number concerned a lot of people, which is why the original law stated that the number could be used for one thing and one thing only—–to link to a SS account. Period. No, it can never ever EVER be used in any other way, such as identifying people for other purposes. And look how it is used, and abused, now.

        There is no reason for a national immunization data base. None. Period. And to think one would not be abused is beyond naive. We stood up to vaccine passports (“Papers, please…”) but accept a national data base on immunization? So when asked about immunization status, which of course would be federalized and no doubt mandatory, the only way to check on it is to provide a data base number. Or a SS number. Or maybe just show a vaccine passport..

      • Amazona December 5, 2021 / 8:11 pm

        Someone wrote to Jim Banks about his signing onto this bill and got this response within 48 hours:

        The bill actually does the opposite of what its opponents claim: It aims to make Americans’ immunization records more secure by mandating patient data is confidential and deidentified, meaning your personal information and vaccination status is hidden by any government entity. Also, the bill adds extra cyber protections so hostile foreign governments like China or Russia cannot access Americans’ medical information. Last, it makes existing state-based immunization information systems work better so it’s easier to transfer your records to other states if you’re moving or traveling.

        Did anyone see any of this in the actual wording of the bill? This sounds like an example of someone having it “explained” to him to get him to vote for it, rather than reading it for himself. I read the wording and didn’t see any of this.

        Why is there a record of “vaccination status” at all? Anywhere? Why should we accept a “state-based immunization information system” and why should we worry about it being transferred?

        This gobbeldygook non-response is just a lot of words defending the existence of an immunization data base in the first place, and it is the existence of an immunization data base that lies at the heart of the whole thing.

        One side says the very existence of an immunization data base is a threat, and not acceptable, and the other side says “But look at how we’re trying to make it work better” as if that addresses the issue.

        No. It does not, And I am disappointed in Jim Banks and the other 79 “Republicans” who fell for the spin instead of looking at the real meaning of the bill.

      • Amazona December 6, 2021 / 12:58 pm

        So the information in this data base is “confidential and deidentified, meaning your personal information and vaccination status is hidden by any government entity.” So if your data in the data base is “deidentified” how can you “transfer your records to other states if you’re moving or traveling”? Just how would that work?

        If the information is not connected or connectable to any individual and “hidden by any government entity” (Note: Not hidden FROM any government entity but BY any government entity, meaning a government entity can undo what it has done.
        “HIDDEN” means it is there, just not visible. ) then are we to assume that this oh-so-vital data base would just have generic information such as “X number of people in Sioux Falls have been vaccinated”? So if I am (1) vaccinated, and (2) have this generic unidentified unidentifiable information in a data base about Sioux Falls and then (3) want to move to Tulsa and (4) decide for some reason it will be important to have this information shifted to a data base in Tulsa then (5) shazaam! my personal information will be “easier to transfer”.

        None of this makes any sense, and furthermore it is all based, every word of it, on acceptance of a vax data base in the first place, much less a “state-based immunization information system”.

        And since when did Dan Crenshaw turn into such a Leftist-type a-hole, accusing people (Harriet Hageman) of LYING about the bill. Hint: Harriet is a lawyer, trained to dissect legalese and word salad, while Crenshaw is just a veteran with, as far as I know, no training in reading or understanding contract law. Too bad his feels got bruised when someone criticized Liz and the bill he also fell for, but that’s tough luck, Danny Boy. Man up.

      • Retired Spook December 4, 2021 / 12:23 pm

        Here’s the text of H.R. 550. If it didn’t spell out at the end, you’d never know it contained any provisions for a database.

        “(f) Definition.—In this section, the term ‘immunization information system’ means a confidential, population-based, computerized database that records immunization doses administered by any health care provider to persons within the geographic area covered by that database.

        You can’t believe in a federal government severely restricted as to size, scope and power and then vote to create a national database of people based on whether or not they have obeyed the demands of a tyrannical government.

        I re-worded this in the form of a question and sent it to Congressman Banks.

      • Amazona December 4, 2021 / 8:47 pm

        Dan Crenshaw, of all people, loves this bill and is attacking Harriet Hageman, using the shameful Lefty word “disinformation” , for standing up against it.

      • Amazona December 4, 2021 / 8:49 pm

        Unfortunately, we can’t email Representatives if we are not in their districts. I’m just going to email the state GOP organizations in their states.

  2. Retired Spook December 4, 2021 / 12:04 pm

    Sorry, I was typing while Amazona was posting. I’m not a premium subscriber to TownHall, so I couldn’t ‘t read the whole thing. I must have done or said something to piss the folks at TownHall off a while back, because they stopped sending it to me regularly, and didn’t respond to my many attempts to become a subscriber.

    • Cluster December 4, 2021 / 1:12 pm

      “I never want to play the part of a statistic on a government chart” – The Police 1982

      From the bill:

      … support the standardization of immunization information systems and their interoperability with health information technology; and support rapid identification of immunization coverage gaps.

      Yeah, no thanks.

    • Cluster December 4, 2021 / 8:37 pm

      I didn’t object to the patriot act when I was told that it would never be used against American citizens. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice … not gonna happen

    • Amazona December 4, 2021 / 8:54 pm

      Good. Let Oregon try this, and see how many people either leave the state or vote R in 2022.

      As for King Biden talking about making masking permanent for airlines, good call, Joe. Nothing will help the economy recover better than crippling yet another industry.

    • Retired Spook December 5, 2021 / 10:42 am

      “Permanent means indefinite. It doesn’t necessarily mean permanent,”

      By that logic, saying that masks are mandatory doesn’t necessarily mean that you HAVE to wear one.

  3. Retired Spook December 5, 2021 / 10:45 am

    The Leftists in Oregon are on a roll.

    The University of Oregon’s student government is petitioning the school to make critical race theory training a requirement to graduate from the learning institution.

    • Amazona December 5, 2021 / 11:43 am

      Nothing quite as brilliant as making sure that for at least a generation a degree from the University of Oregon will be a disqualifier for any serious job.

      • Retired Spook December 5, 2021 / 3:05 pm

        Would that that were true. Sadly, it’ll probably be the opposite.

  4. Cluster December 6, 2021 / 9:04 am

    If this ever happens in the United States, I will be exercising my second amendment rights 🙂

    Italy begins lockdown of the unvaccinated: Only the double jabbed will be able to fully participate in public life using a ‘super green pass’ from TODAY

  5. Cluster December 6, 2021 / 9:22 am

    The worlds most famous virologist, NY Mayor Warren Wilhelm Jr., aka Bill DeBlasio, just announced new vaccine mandate restrictions for all private sector workers in NY this morning.

    Fortunately, no one actually works in NY anymore so there is that.

  6. Amazona December 6, 2021 / 1:17 pm

    I know we have all been wondering about who put together that that terrifying Patriot Force march in (on?) Washington DC last week. Well, someone has dug up some info on the sinister organizer. This really IS “must watch” if you’re serious about uncovering this.

    • Amazona December 6, 2021 / 1:40 pm

      If you read an earlier take here, you know that a group of about 200 men wearing matching hats, blue jackets, and khaki pants marched in Washington, D.C., on Saturday. They marched around D.C. monuments then disappeared. It was absurd theater.

      With few exceptions they all wore white masks and sunglasses, which gave a vibe of 200 dudes auditioning for a remake of the Invisible Man. Appropriately, they quickly disappeared, but instead of vanishing by stripping naked, they jumped into the backs of U-Haul trucks and sped away into the night — maybe to a Denny’s for early-bird dinner.

      The group was reportedly called Patriot Front. What is Patriot Front? Only the 200 people wearing khaki pants likely know.

      The Southern Poverty Law Center (which has labeled churches “hate” groups) claims that Patriot Front was founded after Charlottesville. Its founder is named Tommy Rousseau. Rousseau is a native of Dallas and founded Patriot Front, aka Invisible Khaki Men, when he was 18. According to the SPLC, they rarely come out in the daylight and rarely “rally” with other White Supremacists. So, besides being Invisible Men, and they might be vampires.

      An appearance by Patriot Front is so rare and under the radar that when they pulled their khaki pants on yesterday, hardly anyone had heard of them. Twitter’s responses was, for the most part: “Huh? Who are these guys?”

      So, march they did. They rallied at the Lincoln Memorial and marched down the steps to a chorus of boos, “F-U”s and middle fingers. They didn’t stay long (because Denny’s early-bird doesn’t last all night), and then headed to the rally point where U-Haul trucks were waiting to pick up Rousseau and his merry band of khaki pants. By they time they got the rally point, some were attacked by a bunch of thugs. Punches were thrown — and not a cop in sight.

      This all looked and felt ridiculous. Some speculate that it was another failed Psyop by the useless midgets at the Lincoln Project, but it wasn’t. It was, likely, Patriot Front. But that doesn’t mean that all of the khaki pants were filled with PF khaki white supremacists. This was organized. Someone had to buy all the pants, hats and dark glasses. The Feds have the budget, and they had to know. I think the Feds told Rousseau “Dude, we’ll buy the pants.” Feds then went to Ross Dress for Less and bought all the uniforms. March on.

      My favorite part? The matching clear plastic “shields”.

  7. Cluster December 6, 2021 / 2:04 pm

    Straight up communism

    * Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York City, said on Monday that he is tightening COVID restrictions over fears that Omicron variant will spread rapidly in the city
    * All 184,000 private sector businesses will be subject to vaccine mandate in the city, and children over the age of five will need proof of vaccine to dine indoors
    * It would be the first mandate of this type to affect children aged five to 11, an age group where less than 5% are fully vaccinated
    * Children who want to take part in school activities like band, sports teams, orchestra or others will also have to receive at least one shot of a Covid vaccine by December 14
    * Seven cases of the Omicron variant have been detected in New York City, more than anywhere else in America

  8. Cluster December 7, 2021 / 9:37 am

    Why do you suppose people who can’t even govern a city insist on saving the planet?

    • Amazona December 7, 2021 / 11:08 am

      That’s a good point. From now on when someone bleats about “saving the planet” we should suggest that they start with San Francisco, or Chicago. Or, these days, New York City. “C’mon, show us what you can do and then we’ll talk.”

    • Retired Spook December 7, 2021 / 1:48 pm

      That’s because it isn’t about governing; it’s about ruling.

      • Cluster December 7, 2021 / 7:18 pm

        Also, in case you missed it, Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she was “disappointed” that retail companies have not done more to protect themselves from the violent criminals roaming the City streets. I know, it sounds like an SNL skit but this is real life now with Democrats.

      • Amazona December 7, 2021 / 8:11 pm

        Here’s an idea: Bars on all the windows and doors that are only unlocked for people who—how can I phrase this in PC-talk?—-do not fit the profile of the looters, vandals and rioters.

        I have a better idea—-let these companies just close their doors and refuse to do business in areas where looters are not arrested or prosecuted. Board up those windows and post big signs on them—“You want to shop in nice stores? Pull your heads out and stop electing Democrats.”

  9. Cluster December 8, 2021 / 9:37 am

    So the bias in the media is not just the partisan spin on issues, it’s the content covered which is actually more important in terms of propaganda. Notice the stories they do cover and what they don’t, and also notice the time given to each story. Last week when Biden had a noticeable cough and yet was out giving speeches and shaking hands which was met with some criticism, the next day MSNBC launched into a 30 minute dissection of when Trump tested positive for Covid yet attended the debate, accusing him of trying to harm others. Also, this morning I just finished watching a 30 minute dialogue with the entire panel discussing ….. Trump’s authoritarianism and how he demanded loyalty and enriched his friends. Now all one has to do is realize that through mandates and forced compliance, the Democrats are actually practicing authoritarianism and greatly enriching their big pharma friends and investors, and this is what they don’t want you to notice.

    In light of the implosion of integrity that is unfolding at CNN, and the blatant propaganda promoted on MSNBC, I have to think the progressive medias days are numbered. And if we are to save this Republic, these people need to be the first to go.

  10. Cluster December 8, 2021 / 9:39 am

    Well if you ever wondered if Democrat men were actually real men with balls … now you know:

    Biden orders media to fall into line: White House holds secret meetings with news organizations to demand better publicity – as Washington Post columnist goes on CNN to say president is being treated WORSE than Trump

    • Amazona December 8, 2021 / 11:02 pm

      I never wondered. Did anyone?

  11. Cluster December 9, 2021 / 9:36 am

    So if you watch the complicit media, you’ll hear a new positive tone today thanks to the Biden administration’s recent lobbying efforts. Morning Joe spent 30 minutes praising the administrations “bipartisan” accomplishments this morning. It’s so transparently childish that I really am embarrassed to be an American anymore. We live amongst such unimpressive over emotional ignorant children that it’s difficult to remain optimistic about the future anymore.

  12. Cluster December 9, 2021 / 9:45 am

    Did you watch Tucker last night? Specifically the segment with Glenn Beck? It’s been revealed that the US Government is pat owner of the Moderna MRNA Covid Vaccine intellectual property and they started developing that vaccine in 2019. All the while the NIH was Covid funding gain of function at the Wuhan lab. Beck will have more reporting on this and I plan to follow it.

    Nothing about this virus has ever passed the smell test with me. I am not vaccinated, nor will I ever be and I refuse to take any precautions advocated by the government. If I ever do contract the virus and pass on from it, I will consider it a blessing.

    • Amazona December 9, 2021 / 2:59 pm

      If I ever do contract the virus and pass on from it this would be highly unlikely even if you didn’t make sure you have a doctor who understands how to treat it.

      That is, rapid response, steroids to address inflammation if that is an issue, vitamins and ivermectin, monoclonal antibody treatment and stay out of the hospital. IF you need treatment at all. I didn’t. I’ve talked with literally dozens of people who had it, got over it, and didn’t need any treatment at all.

    • Amazona December 9, 2021 / 3:11 pm

      This relates to Spook’s post on zinc, but in this case is about Vitamin D:

      “Given the natural three-stage clinical course of the disease, inadequate innate immune response in the first stage and immune-mediated damage due to dysregulated immune response in the second stage are considered to be the major determinants of poor outcomes.”

      Should a supplement or drug be able to support the immune response in the first or second stage, it may help reduce the severity and mortality of the illness. The researchers first gathered retrospective data from 867 patients at the Istanbul University-Cerrahpasa Faculty Hospital.

      …..vitamin D treatment shortened the length of hospitalization in those with COVID-19, even when there were comorbidities present. They concluded:

      “Having vitamin D treatment decreased the mortality rate by 2.14 times. It has been determined that vitamin D supplementation is effective on various targeted parameters; therefore, it is an important parameter for the course of COVID-19, and serum vitamin D levels and correlation analyses between these parameters confirm this inference.”

  13. Retired Spook December 9, 2021 / 1:09 pm

    I’m guessing everyone here knows of or has read about the benefits of zinc on your immune system. There are dozens, if not hundreds of articles from WebMD to the Mayo Clinic about such benefits. Then, earlier this year we get THIS from the National Institutes of Health.


    There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of zinc for the treatment of COVID-19.

    The Panel recommends against using zinc supplementation above the recommended dietary allowance for the prevention of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial (BIII).

    Now why would the healthcare bureaucracy suddenly come out against an inexpensive supplement that helps ward off the Coronavirus? Sorry — rhetorical question.

    • Amazona December 9, 2021 / 2:32 pm

      But…but…but it’s the NIH !! Like the CDC, it is infallible, with only our best interests at heart

      I’m actually kind of surprised to see that someone took time off from torturing beagles by forcing them to be eaten alive by sandflies to come up with something like this.

  14. Amazona December 9, 2021 / 2:46 pm

    Buried deep within the massive infrastructure legislation recently signed by President Joe Biden is a little-noticed “safety” measure that will take effect in five years. Marketed to Congress as a benign tool to help prevent drunk driving, the measure will mandate that automobile manufacturers build into every car what amounts to a “vehicle kill switch.”

    As has become standard for legislative mandates passed by Congress, this measure is disturbingly short on details. What we do know is that the “safety” device must “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”

    Everything about this mandatory measure should set off red flares.

    First, use of the word “passively” suggests the system will always be on and constantly monitoring the vehicle. Secondly, the system must connect to the vehicle’s operational controls, so as to disable the vehicle either before driving or during, when impairment is detected. Thirdly, it will be an “open” system, or at least one with a backdoor, meaning authorized (or unauthorized) third-parties can remotely access the system’s data at any time.

    • Amazona December 9, 2021 / 3:03 pm

      While Big Brother is monitoring your driving, the FBI is keeping an eye on your computer chats.

      The FBI has the ability to see some of the contents of iMessage and collect metadata from WhatsApp in as little as 15 minutes, according to a recently published internal bureau document.

      According to the document, WhatsApp provides the FBI with metadata every 15 minutes in response to a “pen register”—a surveillance request that provides the agency with the source and destination of each message for a targeted individual. Other messaging platforms—including iMessage, Signal, Telegram, and WeChat—provide logs of latent data, according to the document.

      • Retired Spook December 9, 2021 / 5:17 pm

        Orwell is looking more and more like a prophet. It’s nice to have an under-the-radar forum like B4V to vent our grievances. I’m kind of surprised that not more Conservatives have stumbled onto this site.

      • Cluster December 9, 2021 / 5:31 pm

        True that. I’m very happy to have the B4V forum to vent because I would have no other outlet lol. I have never been on Twitter or instagram or any of those sites and only have a business Facebook page so if it weren’t for this site I would be yelling at myself – which I still do of course 🙂

      • Retired Spook December 9, 2021 / 6:27 pm


      • Amazona December 9, 2021 / 9:56 pm

        So did any of your Congresscritters vote for this mess? They need to asked SPECIFICALLY why they thought this was a good idea?

        What? You didn’t read the bill? Then you should be fired.

  15. Amazona December 9, 2021 / 9:52 pm

    At least 49 people were killed and dozens injured in a truck crash in Mexico, with most of the victims believed to be migrants, officials said.

    It is not unusual for freight trucks in Mexico to be carrying so many people in migrant-smuggling operations in southern Mexico.

    If this truck was taking people to the US border so they could take advantage of the Democrat Open Borders policy, then their blood is on the hands of the party and especially of Joe Biden.

    How many people have to die before the Left is stopped?

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