Open Thread

Secret Service is saying that $100 billion in Covid relief has be stolen. Rely on it: it is orders of magnitude higher than that. We do have to fault Trump a bit here as well – as this thing came in, the money spigot was turned on full blast. Pudding Brain has put that into overdrive, but we have to admit where it started.

Of course the money was going to be stolen. The primary purpose, for those in the know, was to steal. We didn’t really need to spend much on this – we did, after all, have a perfectly functioning economy and health care system when this started. At most we just needed a slight boost in what we were already spending. But the bonanza of cash simply thrown out the Treasury windows was and is the opportunity of a life time. Couple years from now and we will see a few indictments – people who stole beyond their station or who didn’t divvy up the way the bosses wanted. But my bet is that half, at least, of what has and will be spent was nothing but graft.

The dirty little secret of our government is that it spends so much money that nobody really knows what is going on. How can anyone keep an eye on trillions of dollars being spent? Do you realize how easy it is to divert hundreds of billions when you’ve got a flood of money that large?

Some rumors that Team Hillary is in Durham’s crosshairs. Hope so, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

Cocaine Mitch, talking with Hugh Hewitt, basically said he’s asking Manchin to switch to the GOP – adding that he’s discussing whether Manchin would keep his chairmanship of Energy. I’m a bit surprised – not that it might be happening, but that it would happen now. I’d have thought Mitch would wait until well into 2022. OTOH, the Democrats are already a toxic brand and McConnell back in the Majority Leader spot shuts down all Democrat legislative programs. We’ll see how it comes out.

Donald Trump says he’ll hold a press conference on January 6th. A lot of people are downright frightened of this – I’m not. What better way to take the entire spotlight away from whatever the DNC/MSM will be doing that day? If he calls for the release of the 1/6 detainees, then I’ll figure its for sure that he’s running in 2024.

Since Covid hit, 5 million Americans obtained firearms. The people are arming in a replay of the Great Fear of 1789 in France. America is a tinder box right now – keeping in mind that our side is mostly made up of people who just want to be left alone. The problem – for the Left – is that if such people ever decide it is time to fight or die, then they tend to be quite brutal in settling accounts.

China bought Hollywood and then helped Hollywood destroy itself. It is the Chinese business model. China merely wanted to get itself going – so that it can provide pop-culture product on the global market…not so American pop-culture could come to dominate China. Now that China has got what it wanted, the Hollywood dreams of releasing American movies in the Chinese market have faded away. Hopefully this will force American studios to start making product designed for specifically for the American market. No more Superman who refuses to fight for the American way, as it were.

39 thoughts on “Open Thread

    • Cluster December 23, 2021 / 3:23 pm

      Are you still alive? I thought for sure you would have committed suicide by now.

      • Cluster December 23, 2021 / 4:51 pm

        You celebrate Christmas? Are there people that actually want you around?

    • Amazona December 23, 2021 / 4:18 pm

      One more time, for the slow-to-understand and the terminally-poisoned-by-bias crowd. I understand that fielding fits in both categories, so…

      Donald Trump is human. He makes mistakes. People who think he did a great job as president do not, and never have, considered him a deity who must be worshipped and who can never be thought of as someone who is never wrong.

      In other words, conservatism is simply an objective political model based on the concept that the federal government must be restricted as to size, scope and power, with most authority left to the states or to the people. Within that framework, we try to elect representatives who are most likely to govern accordingly. We do not demand absolutism, perfection or any other impossible characteristic. As Thomas Sowell explained, we are the people who understand that all humans are susceptible to error and therefore we must have a system which mitigates, as much as possible, the effects of human vulnerability through process and the spreading of authority among the people.

      it is not a religion.

      Leftism, however, IS a form of secular religion, in that its core concept—going back to Sowell again—is that some individuals are so special that they can and should be entrusted with great power, and that process should be optional to allow these elevated people to operate more freely. It IS a form of religion, in that it demands loyalty to a dogma, and depends on passionate emotion-based loyalty not to an objective analysis of its governmental structure but to the people who run it. It is a system in which power is consolidated in the hands of a few, who then administer the government to the many.

      Because it depends on fealty to the chosen few, in a way that is very similar to the devotion of other religions to their gods, those who subscribe to it have a very hard time understanding that the model of its opposition has nothing in common with it.

      That’s why those on the Left are always accusing those on the Right of devotion to individuals, rather than support for individuals who represent the closest we can get to the ideals of the political structural model we choose.

      This is why I can watch Donald Trump say things I think are fundamentally wrong without also thinking he was not a great president, and hoping he will be president again. Ours is not a political model which demands slavish devotion and denial of anything that fails to support it. It doesn’t depend on personality or passion. So seeing Donald Trump say something I personally think is a mistake is no big deal.

      So take a deep cleansing breath and get used to the fact that every time you try to paint conservatives with the same emotional veneer of your average Leftist you are going to be disappointed. Deeply profoundly disappointed.

      • Amazona December 23, 2021 / 4:22 pm

        And yes, Fauci DID “get to 45”. Trump identified him as an expert and then respected that belief in his expertise.

        And, yes, to anticipate your next sneer, I think his ego will not let him admit he was wrong. He should, but won’t, admit he was misled, and in so doing led the nation into a morass of economic misery as well as the infliction of great harm on many of us through the vaccine process.

        He did his job, which was to turn to experts in areas in which he had no background or education or experience. That is what a leader should do. And I don’t blame him for trusting Fauci. What I do blame him for is what I think of as blinders since then, obscuring the rising tide of information saying he was wrong.

        And I think that when the balloon bursts and the reality of the defects of the “vaccines” becomes so undeniable it takes down the tyrants who have been trying to force it upon the people it will also blow back on Trump, and the only ones left standing will be those who were never involved with it in the first place—or who stood up to it and were then proved right.

  1. Cluster December 24, 2021 / 10:11 am

    More fear porn from Democrats this morning:

    Melting of the Antarctic ice sheet under current global warming trends could cause sea levels to rise by as much as 17 FEET by the end of the millennium, study warns

    I say we just kill all Democrats now so they can stop being afraid of things.

    • Amazona December 24, 2021 / 1:31 pm

      I think it’s possible that their own government is starting to do this for you, Cluster. It looks like the biggest concentration of “vaccinated” people is in blue areas, where they are eager to add to their shot total to prove their superior virtue and intelligence. As the negative effects of the Clot Shot are cumulative, now with so little time between shots to allow the body to try to overcome the insult to it from the last shot, their virtue signaling might just have a culling effect on the population.

      That, and out of control crime including murder, may be the most blatant examples of self destruction in history. And we have safe front-row seats.

      • Cluster December 25, 2021 / 10:21 am

        Agreed and since they insist that men can breast feed that will present a whole new set of problems for them.

  2. Cluster December 25, 2021 / 10:20 am

    So yesterday, a Dad who had called into the WH and spoke with the Biden’s ended the call by saying “Let’s Go Brandon” to which Joe Biden agreed and even said himself “Let’s Go Brandon” which is hilarious but of course all the right people are offended which makes it even better. Here’s a response from NBC:

    NBC News Senior White House Correspondent Kelly O’Donnell, “Yes! Can’t we all expect a little more of ourselves when it comes to simple kindness and respect and on Christmas Eve? It’s not funny, clever or worth it to show such lack of grace.”

    The answer is NO, and FUCK NO. After what you people have done to our President Trump and to this country, there is nothing but violent contempt for everyone single one of you. They can dish it but they can’t take it, and they haven’t seen anything yet … the hatred, indecency, and chaos is only beginning for the Left and Democrats.

    • Amazona December 25, 2021 / 11:34 am

      The funniest part of this are the claims that Biden “knew what he was doing” when he said that and it was a clever ploy to own the situation.

      As if Biden ever knows what he is doing.

      As far as a Dem lecturing anyone on “lack of grace” that’s kind of like Tater Stelter lecturing on journalism or Joy Behar lecturing on civility.

  3. jdge1 December 25, 2021 / 11:42 am

    Merry Christmas to all !!

  4. Amazona December 25, 2021 / 1:24 pm

    A question for all you good researchers out there: Have you heard the rumor that Pfizer paid Merck $350,000,000 to stop production of ivermectin?

    Ordinarily this would fall into the Crackpot Theory bin, but these days, with these companies, nothing is too outrageous.

    For example, the government has agreed to pay Merck $2.2 billion-with-a-B for its new drug, and then as if by magic the FDA approved it a few weeks later.

    But all sorts of things are being swept under the rug regarding this drug, either hidden or obfuscated. For example,The drug cannot be authorized for use in patients under the age of 18 because molnupiravir might impact bone and cartilage growth, according to the FDA.

    It is designed to treat adults who are at a high risk of becoming severely ill from COVID-19, and was shown to reduce hospitalizations and deaths from 9.7 percent to 6.8 percent in clinical trials of high-risk individuals, according to the federal drug regulator. There are some problems with Merck’s reporting, however, including the fact that the test group was actually younger than the general population and therefore not really “high-risk” and the hospitalization rate was higher than that of the general population.

    This from a report on molnupiravir:

    Molnupiravir’s efficacy is marginal at best, but its mutagenicity and carcinogenicity are
    real. The tidbits of information published by the UK’s MHRA include bone marrow
    toxicity, suggesting leukemia potential.

    The re-analysis of the data in Merck’s press release from October1 shows much lower
    efficacy than claimed, even without questioning the conduct of the trial and reporting.
    Merck’s failure to publish any paper containing that data is alarming. Merck also failed
    to disclose the outcomes from patients who were recruited after the cut-off date for the
    intermediate review.

    The UK authorization also reveals that the population in Merck’s trial was younger and
    less at-risk than the general population. Even so, after being treated with Molnupiravir,
    the trial population had worse outcomes than the comparable general population, who
    was not treated with Molnupiravir
    Molnupiravir damages bone marrow just when it is needed most – to produce B-cells
    producing antibodies against SARS-COV-2.

    These facts are grounds for a strongly worded rejection of Molnupiravir.

    The Molnupiravir’s potential to rapidly create to more dangerous variants of SARSCOV-2 has already caught attention of the mainstream media.
    Drugs having mutagenesis as the primary activity have never been used for acute
    respiratory diseases, or for any kind of coronavirus.

    Though this article is very interesting on several levels, from Merck’s misrepresentation of data (what some might call “lying”) to the omission of critical information about possible side effects, the final sentence (referring to the mutation characteristic of the drug) is, to me, most ominous:

    Used broadly, Molnupiravir will sharply increase SARS-COV-2 diversity and will cause multiple immune escape variants with higher contagiousness and virulence than the current Delta.

    This is a concern because of how molnupiravir works.

    From one source: Ultimately, molnupiravir works by encouraging the virus to develop mutations that can be harmful to the virus itself. This can impact the virus’ ability to thrive in the body, and in turn, reduce viral replication and viral load.

    From another: Molnupiravir disrupts the process by which SARS-CoV-2 duplicates itself in host cells by inserting errors into the virus’s genetic code.

    From another: Incorporation of the active form of the drug into the RNA genome leads to mutations – so many that the virus can’t generate enough accurate copies of itself.

    I can understand concerns that a drug that works by forcing mutations into virus cells might then end up creating mutant viruses we can’t deal with.

  5. Amazona December 25, 2021 / 2:51 pm

    Sometimes a comment is so bizarre it makes me stop and think “Did he really just say that?”

    One example: ‘“While we still need to know more about omicron, we do know that as long as large portions of the world’s population are unvaccinated, variants will continue to appear, and the pandemic will continue to be prolonged,” Dr. Seth Berkley, CEO of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, a leading partner in the global vaccine sharing program COVAX, said in an email. “

    He appears to be saying that if people were just vaccinated, there would be no more variants. Did I get that right?

    He seems quite unaware of the fact that vaccinated people can and do spread the virus, while those of us who have had Covid (any variant) have not been shown to do so. Now, using linear thinking, that says to me that the only way to stop the spread is to have everyone acquire natural immunity by experiencing some form of Covid. Continuing in that same line of thought, if there is now a variant that is mild, often with no symptoms at all, with such a slight chance of serious outcome it is negligible, wouldn’t it make sense to just go with it and experience it and acquire that durable and extensive natural immunity?

    And how, exactly, are we supposed to arrive at the end stage of the pandemic by giving people partial and temporary protection, not from the virus but supposedly just from getting extremely sick from the virus, which targets only one spike protein so when there is a mutation we need to target another specific spike protein?

    Here’s a question I have: Say you have been vaccinated for one variant and then acquire another which you can spread—-aren’t you simultaneously contributing to mutations and spreading them?

  6. Cluster December 26, 2021 / 9:48 am

    So the loser children in the Democrat party won’t let this one go:

    In The New York Times Opinion Section: “Trump appears to have exposed dozens, if not hundreds, of people, including his 77-year-old opponent, to a potentially deadly illness. It was a remarkable demonstration of his selfish indifference to the health and welfare of everyone around him,” writes Jamelle Bouie.

    They are still whining over Trump having a cold but yet still working. TWO YEARS AGO. I honestly don’t know how to operate anymore amongst such loser people with massive irrational fears. They are sub human people and have now negatively impacted our way of life so it is time to eliminate them one way or the other, and I mean that.

  7. Cluster December 26, 2021 / 10:16 am

    And the progressive outrage over the phone call continues:

    CNN is PISSED that a parent would say “Let’s Go Brandon” to Biden directly. Analyst says it’s ungracious. It’s juvenile. It’s reprehensible…and (this is CNN)…it’s about “insurrection.”

    — Tim Graham (@TimJGraham) December 26, 2021

    If you think it’s appropriate to tell someone — anyone, really — to go f*** themselves after they gave your kids the time of day on Christmas Eve, it says a lot more about your personal character than anything else
    That is all.

    — Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) December 24, 2021

    I LOVE THIS … you know what progressives? We will be telling you and your entire families to go F**K yourself everyday and everywhere. In church, in the grocery store and at the gas station. We don’t like you, we think you’re scum and more importantly, you don’t deserve to live in this country.

  8. Cluster December 26, 2021 / 10:32 am

    Time to state some obvious truths:

    – Trump won the 2020 election
    – Covid is a weaponized flu virus paid for by the NIH and completely overhyped to further a global political agenda
    – The “vaccine” is killing young men
    – The current American President Joe Biden is a pedophile and has early dementia
    – The majority of American media is nothing more than pure political propaganda
    – Masks and lockdowns don’t work and are simply the tactics of failed authoritarians
    – Climate change is a lie.
    – The majority of Black people are the most extreme racists
    – Progressive men and over emotional progressive white women are the biggest threat to this Republic
    – The United States is not a democracy

    To be continued ….

    • Amazona December 26, 2021 / 12:22 pm

      I agree with every word. I have something to add to the vaccine comment: emphasis mine

      The reason our children are being targeted by COVID mandates is because vaccine makers want to get the shots onto the childhood vaccination schedule. Once a vaccine is added to the childhood schedule, the vaccine maker is shielded from financial liability for injuries, unless the manufacturer knows about vaccine safety issues and withholds that information

      Products must satisfy four criteria in order to get emergency use authorization: There must be an emergency; a vaccine must be at least 30% to 50% effective; the known and potential benefits of the product must outweigh the known and potential risks of the product; and there can be no adequate, approved and available alternative treatments (drugs or vaccines). Unless all four criteria are met, EUA cannot be granted or maintained

      According to a U.S. federal court decision, the Pfizer shot and BioNTech’s Comirnaty are not interchangeable

      Comirnaty is not fully approved and licensed. It’s only “ready for approval.” Comirnaty is licensed to be manufactured, introduced into state commerce and marketed, but it’s not licensed to be given to anyone, and it’s not yet available in the United States. They’re waiting for it to be added to the childhood vaccination schedule, to get the liability shield

      That explains why the drug companies are so frantic to get children vaccinated. It doesn’t explain why the government is complicit in using its power to benefit them, unless of course there is a payoff. Given our president’s history of using his position in the government to set up situations where he receives kickbacks this is not too hard to figure out, but what I don’t understand is why it has been ignored for so long.

      Of course, there ARE vaccine safety issues, but once again with the help of the government this information is being withheld as much as possible.

      • Cluster December 26, 2021 / 12:33 pm

        Interesting and agreed

      • Amazona December 26, 2021 / 3:08 pm

        Stages of Liability: Full Licensure and Childhood Scheduling

        The next stage is full licensure (FDA approval). Once a product is fully licensed, the company becomes liable for injuries. At that point, the product can be legally mandated. Of course, knowing how dangerous the COVID shots are, no manufacturer wants to be financially liable for injuries. They’d be sued out of business.

        To get immunity against liability again, the vaccine manufacturers need to get their product onto the childhood vaccination schedule. This will also allow government to mandate the shots. As noted by Mayer:

        “This is the holy grail if you’re a vaccine manufacturer of a COVID vaccine right now. You want it to be fully licensed, but not put it on the market until you get it on the children’s schedule.

  9. Amazona December 26, 2021 / 12:32 pm

    We are only a couple of weeks from the first anniversary of the most deadly, most terrifying, most dangerous event in American history, an event that threatened to destroy the nation and which identified half of its citizens as terrorists.

    So I was fascinated to run across a video made last January 6, evidently as the event was starting to take place as there was a fleeting comment made about the people registering their concerns about the election but on a different, but related, subject.

    The content was riveting, the presentation was compelling, and the total lack of silence about its allegations in the year since it was made is, to me, very scary.

    Whatever. What do you think?

    • Cluster December 26, 2021 / 12:45 pm

      Wow … I believe it 100%. Jan 6 was definitely a deep state set up to frame Trump and his supporters and to deflect attention away from the massive fraud

      • Amazona December 26, 2021 / 1:40 pm

        Reuters supposedly “fact checked” the allegation about the Italian affidavit but never addressed the affidavit itself, tap danced around some of the information in it, and concluded that because the author had not volunteered anything about being part of the international manipulation when he was questioned about something else they could call it “false”—but then said it couldn’t be confirmed.

      • Amazona December 26, 2021 / 2:00 pm

        what if we told you that scarcely three months before the 1/6 Capitol Siege, the FBI arrested 14 people for planning to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the State Government — and that the alleged conspiracy to overthrow the State government involved storming of the State Capitol?

        And what if we told you that of the 14 individuals who allegedly plotted the “kidnapping” and overthrow of the state government, at least five were undercover agents and federal informants? And as if that’s not enough, many of the individuals allegedly involved in this plot appear to belong to the “Three Percenters,” one of the very same militia groups now blamed for storming January 6.

        And, as the cherry on top, what if we told you that the director of the Detroit FBI Field Office, who oversaw the infiltration operation of the Michigan Plot, was subsequently granted a highly coincidental promotion to the D.C. office, where he is now the lead FBI agent for all 1/6 cases?

        As crazy as it sounds, all of this is true.

        The possibility of an FBI entrapment-type operation is especially disturbing in light of the striking parallels between the Michigan Plot and the so-called Capitol Siege of 1/6.

        The Michigan Plot did not start out as a kidnapping. According to the DOJ’s own indictment, the plot started as a plan to “storm the Capitol building” in Lansing, Michigan. And the “conspirators” would do so by amping up “at least 200 men” from an upcoming unrelated rally planned at the Michigan Capitol building (a rally that was focused on the Second Amendment, not insurrection) by agitating enough rallygoers to run inside and occupy the building.

        Sound familiar?

      • Cluster December 27, 2021 / 9:09 am

        I did watch the video and have read other similar accounts and believe 100% that the theft of the US Presidential Election was a global effort, and intentionally so big that anyone who questioned it would be labeled as a conspiracy minded nut. And I believe Dominion and their colleagues have been stealing elections around the globe for a quite few years now.

  10. Cluster December 27, 2021 / 9:22 am

    Democrats are now beyond parody:

    ‘Is this an SNL skit?’ Lori Lightfoot and her wife are slammed for wishing crime-ridden Chicago a ‘joyous Kwanzaa’ – the African-American celebration founded in 1966 by black nationalist who was convicted of torture

    Kwanzaa is purely an American Democrat construct, just like the KKK was, just like climate change, systemic racism, and gender fluidity. They just make shit up and expect everyone to believe in their retardation. .

  11. Cluster December 27, 2021 / 9:30 am

    So this is interesting. Remember last year and pretty much the last two years that everyone who died, died from Covid. Nothing else was killing people. Well now we are reading about healthy young athletic males dropping dead from seemingly nothing. No cause, no speculation, they just died And then here’s this:

    Emmy-winning director behind Dallas Buyers Club and Big Little Lies, Jean-Marc Vallée, 58, dies in cabin outside Quebec City

    Again, no cause of death and everyone was “shocked” that he died.

    The vaccine and boosters are killing people. Don’t do it.

    • Amazona December 27, 2021 / 12:18 pm

      How does this relate to……anything? People have died suddenly and unexpectedly since people started living. I didn’t see any mention of vaxxing.

      • Cluster December 27, 2021 / 12:22 pm

        There will never be any mention of vaxxing but when you see young soccer players collapsing and dying it’s not hard to connect the dots. I guarantee you this guy was vaxed and probably had heart issue resulting in his death.

      • Amazona December 27, 2021 / 3:09 pm

        I think wild speculation does more to harm the cause of informing people of the dangers than good. When the young soccer players collapse, when young airmen are dropping dead, when teenaged boys are dying suddenly, there is always the fact that they recently got the clot shot. This guy just died. That happens., has always happened, and doesn’t have to have any relationship to anything vaccine or covid related.

        My husband collapsed with no warning and died the next morning, If he hadn’t collapsed in front of me he would have been dead within an hour. It turned out that he had an infection we didn’t know about—-I was so stunned I didn’t ask for an autopsy to find out its origin—-but it developed so quickly and got so virulent he went into septic shock and then experienced sequential organ failure. Septic shock kills untold thousands every year, “untold” because the cause of death is usually listed as something else, like heart failure. But the heart fails because the circulatory system fails as part of the domino-effect sequence of multiple organ failure. His only symptoms had been chills and some nausea.

        About four years later I had severe nausea followed by severe chills, and I immediately got myself to a hospital They said I was not only septic but on the brink of septic shock, and it wasn’t till ten days later they were able to say they had headed it off. A doctor told me if I hadn’t recognized the signs of sepsis—nausea and chills—-and gotten myself to the hospital my employees would have found me dead the next day. I was lucky enough to have accidentally found a hospital with a new septic shock program called SWAT—Sepsis Watch and Treatment—-and every day someone would stick his or her head in my room and say “Don’t worry, we’re on top if it”. Even so, it was touch and go for a long time and the veins in my elbows are still collapsed from the constant taking of blood to check the progress of the treatment.

        After my husband died I talked with three people who had relatives found dead, of no obvious reason. One woman had gone to her brother’s at lunch to check on him because he said he had the flu and found him dead on the living room floor. We figured it was like it had been with my husband, who wrote off his nausea and chills as a bug but who collapsed when he stood up because his blood pressure was so low. With my husband, by the time the ambulance got there he could barely breathe—respiratory failure—-so that is probably what happened to her brother, too.

        So there are many reasons for apparently healthy people suddenly dying. Let’s stick to associating it with the vaccines only when the people have been recently vaccinated or show signs associated with vax reactions.

      • Jeremiah December 27, 2021 / 10:27 pm

        Not only are they killing people with vaccines, but they’re killing them with little attractive bottles of caffeine laden drinks (i.e, – 5-hour energy, monster energy, Red Bull, bang, etc.) Many an athlete has had sudden death from consuming those things. Just call them ‘death in a can’.

  12. Cluster December 27, 2021 / 9:35 am

    Here’s what happens when you live in a world of weak little boys like Fielding, Fauci and Casper. You just can’t be too safe.

    Nearly 600 flights have been delayed or canceled on Monday across the United States as the Omicron variant of COVID-19 continues to surge. Approximately 429 flights scheduled to enter, leave or fly within the country were canceled and about 161 were delayed. The disruptions came after more than 7,300 flights were impacted on Sunday 4,000 flights were canceled or delayed on Christmas Day. Delta, United and JetBlue have blamed the Omicron variant for staffing challenges that led to the disruptions.

    • Amazona December 27, 2021 / 12:13 pm

      I wonder how many of thehr “staffing challenges” were due to vax mandates which the employees refused to obey.

  13. Cluster December 27, 2021 / 6:22 pm

    This is a good reason to dismiss the case:

    Five men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer want charges DISMISSED because FBI ‘invented conspiracy’ and informants ‘funded and agitated’ the movement

    This is the same thing that happened Jan 6. It was an FBI operation.

  14. Cluster December 27, 2021 / 6:26 pm

    First Biden warned of a “dark and deadly winter” and now this:

    Biden tells governors there is ‘no federal solution on COVID’, admits he’s ‘clearly’ not done enough to improve testing and denies rejecting kits in October as he leaves for his Delaware beach house with Jill

    How many votes did he get again??

    • Amazona December 27, 2021 / 10:03 pm

      How many votes did he get again??

      I think they’re still counting

  15. Retired Spook December 27, 2021 / 10:36 pm

    Belated Merry Christmas everyone. My wife and I took a 4-day break to spend Christmas with our daughter and her husband in Michigan. Looks like I missed a lively discussion.

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