The End of Roe

Seriously: God be praised, I never thought I’d live to see this.

We will get some extra insanity now that Roe is gone, but I do believe that, long-term, ending Roe will lance the abscess – the poison in American politics, which stems from defending the indefensible: Roe.

There is no honest way to defend Roe, after all. You can’t tell the truth and be in favor of it – and you can’t find a merciful or just reason for defending abortion to birth. But Democrats went on an defended it, and poisoned American politics, possibly fatally. There is no way to say that abortion is covered under the US Constitution. It just isn’t in there, not even by implication. It is an elective medical procedure; its like saying breast implants are a Constitutional right, leaving aside any moral question.

For the past 50 years, Democrats have mounted a desperate, rear-guard defense of Roe which has caused them to become egregious liars as well as becoming cruel and stupid. I don’t know what made them die on the Roe hill, but it wrecked American politics. There is no honest way to defend Roe, after all. You can’t tell the truth and be in favor of it – and you can’t find a merciful or just reason for defending abortion to birth. But Democrats went on and defended it, and poisoned American politics, possibly fatally.

But, maybe not. Now that it is over and reasonable people can work at the State level for the abortion laws they think best, just perhaps Democrats will feel unbound to lies and so able to speak truth…and to cease being cruel, because they no longer have to defend barbarism.

33 thoughts on “The End of Roe

  1. Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 11:11 am

    I never thought I’d live to see this.

    I said the same thing at the end of the previous thread. It only remains to be seen how the Left will react; my guess is, not well. The Left loves to talk about democracy, but now that the future of abortion will rely on democracy, they may not like THAT aspect of democracy — you know, where people actually get to vote on something, either with their actual vote or with their feet. We could well see a repeat of 202’s “summer of love.” Fine — you want to burn down large cities run by Democrats; knock yourself out. I can’t think of anything that will solidify the national desire to relegate you to the dustbin of history more than having a violent temnper tantrum.

  2. fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 12:15 pm

    Thomas’s concurrence has this interesting tidbit. Note he doesn’t include Loving v. Virginia.
    I don’t like the decision but elections have consequences.

    Clarence Thomas, concurring, explicitly calls on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold (right to contraception), Lawrence (right to same-sex intimacy), and Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage).

    • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 1:11 pm

      And Clarence is 100% right, none of those issues are Constitutional “rights”. Those issues need to be adjudicated at the State level, and that is the beauty of our Republic. 50 laboratories of Democracy.

      • fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 1:30 pm

        You think it would be okay for a state to ban interracial marriage?

      • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 2:05 pm

        I don’t think the government should be involved in marriage at all. Between anyone

      • Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 1:37 pm

        It should be up to the state given there is NOTHING in the Constitution about a right to marriage. I seriously doubt any state is going to ban interracial marriage (or same-sex marriage) at this point, just as I doubt any state is going to ban contraceptives.

    • fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 1:57 pm

      14 amendment does speak to equal protection and if a state does ban gay/interracial marriage is that not a violation of that couple’s equal protection rights?

      • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 2:07 pm

        It’s up to the people of those States. You know that democracy thing Democrats constantly bleat on about.

      • fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 2:30 pm

        So the people in one state can vote to say these marriages and all the rights that the state bestows upon them are good but the other marriages aren’t good and do not get those rights the good marriages get?

      • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 2:39 pm

        Democracy. But again I don’t like government being involved in marriage.

      • Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 2:37 pm

        You know, Fielding, you probably ought to wait to see if any states move to ban same-sex and interractial marriages before speculating on the ramifications. I’m betting they don’t. Marriage is completely different from abortion. The institution of marriage has been around for a long time, and has never carried a negative stigma. Abortion has been around for a long time, but has never carried a positive stigma. There’s a huge difference between consecrating a loving relatioship between two people and ending a life.

      • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 2:38 pm

        Why would logic stop a Democrat from preemptive hysteria? LMAO

      • Mark Noonan June 24, 2022 / 8:42 pm

        Yep – there is zero chance a law banning interracial marriage would be passed (though I wouldn’t put it past the Left to find some autistic screwball backbencher in a Red State and induce that person to submit a bill for it), as for SSM…there isn’t an impulse to do away with it. The SC wrongly decided the case (there is no Federal writ on the issue of marriage), but its all rather moot, now…though we could get something interesting if someone tries to hang polygamy on Obergefell.

      • Amazona June 29, 2022 / 6:19 pm

        Yep – there is zero chance a law banning interracial marriage would be passed…..BECAUSE NOBODY CARES

        Do you watch any TV? Do you see how many ads feature mixed-race couples and families? We are constantly told that those big meanie CORPORATIONS !! only care about profit, so what can we take away from the predominant racial themes we see on our televisions every night?

        It’s certainly not that having a product represented by a mixed-race couple is going to hurt the bottom line. Ad are made to attract as many buyers as possible, and evidently mixed-race sells. It sure doesn’t seem to offend.

        Race is a tired old concept that is hanging on only because there are still a very few primitives who think it matters and a whole political movement dependent on it. Most people simply don’t care. Most of us are culturists, not racists, and we want to hang out with people who are like us in ways like attitudes toward family, God and government, not just how we look. We don’t want to live next to disruptive hateful noisy or dangerous people no matter what color they are. and we’re fine with people who share our basic values and approach to how to live with others regardless of their melanin content or ethnic background.

        I admit to getting pretty tired of many black people in America—the victimhood, the rage, the paranoia, the hatred, I found it all offensive. But I loved hanging out with black people from Africa when there was an influx of African immigrants in my old neighborhood. It wasn’t about skin color, it was about openness of the heart and mind.

      • fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 2:40 pm

        I think you are correct. Thomas’ concurrence is interesting though.

      • Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 10:06 pm

        It IS kind of amusing that anyone would think that Clarence Thomas, of all people, would be anti-interracial marriage.

      • Amazona June 29, 2022 / 6:22 pm

        14 amendment does speak to equal protection and if a state does ban gay/interracial marriage is that not a violation of that couple’s equal protection rights?

        Of course. Why are you trying so hard to invent a non-issue? Did you notice that all the Leftist memes are drying up and you all need something new to fret about?

  3. Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 2:40 pm

    BTW, Fielding, I’ll remind you of your comment from yesterday:

    Justice Clarence Thomas said people must “live with outcomes we don’t agree with”

    Just sayin’

    • fieldingclaymore June 24, 2022 / 2:45 pm

      Also, my first comment here concedes that point no?

      • Cluster June 24, 2022 / 3:56 pm

        I have a feeling you’ll be agreeing with us more than you think. MAGA’s are the liberals of the 80’s. We want freedom for everyone and everything. Live and let live. Free speech, self protections, low energy prices, and most importantly 50 States all deciding and voting on how they want to live. Not being subjected to a bureaucrat in DC or an unelected robed official on the SC.

      • Retired Spook June 24, 2022 / 5:07 pm

        most importantly 50 States all deciding and voting on how they want to live.

        If all the states were the same size, same geography, same weather, same ethnic and racial makeup, same industrial and business environment, same socio-political views, etc., then one-size-fits-all might work, but they aren’t and it doesn’t.

    • Mark Noonan June 24, 2022 / 8:47 pm

      And next Term there’s a strong chance that Thomas will write the decision essentially doing away with Affirmative Action…whatever the original motivation of it, it has morphed into de-facto discrimination, just now against Asians in college admissions and white people on just about everything. The lesson here is you can’t fix a past injustice by imposing a new injustice. All you can do about a past injustice is never do the injustice again. I realize that even today, black people suffer the long-term effects of slavery and Jim Crow…the bottom line is that even with the best will in the world, it was going to take a very long time (think centuries) before black Americans rose to the level of the general population. It simply takes that much time. This is just how humanity works – you don’t go from field hand to Harvard in the blink of an eye. That black Americans have done as well as they have in spite of it all shows the basic decency of the United States and the utility of the system the Founders created. But we’ve still a long way to go – but the only way we get there is by doing the work. There are no short cuts.

  4. jdge1 June 24, 2022 / 4:12 pm

    Though the recent SC rulings are major game changing decisions, the left (satan) is working at breakneck speed to destroy anything that stands in the way of elitist worldwide one rule order. Their targets are anything to do with God, family and self-defense, which just happen to be the exact 3 things the SC’s recent rulings protect.
    1.) States cannot withhold tax money from religious education choices,
    2.) R v W,
    3.) States cannot prevent law abiding citizens from their right to carry guns outside their homes.

    Hopefully we can change the tide at the next and subsequent elections while the SC continues to dismantle leftist propaganda.

  5. Jeremiah June 24, 2022 / 4:49 pm

    Thank you President Trump! 🙏🏻

  6. jdge1 June 24, 2022 / 11:14 pm

    A commentor on Ingram tonight likened today’s Roe ruling so momentous, comparing it to the Berlin wall coming down.

    The inflammatory lies from the left are outlandishly staggering, but they just don’t care. They believe they are being logical & persuasive, yet anyone with a thinking brain has no problem seeing it for all of their fallacies. Their goal is way beyond abortion up to birth (or beyond). They want tax payer funding for all of their witch projects to keep them in power. One of the biggest impacts that will come from the Roe ruling, outside of saving innocent lives without voices, will be the negative financial impact on PP funding politicians and other illegal propaganda. Less abortions will mean less illegal & hidden funds flowing into coffers of leftist politicians.

    • Amazona June 29, 2022 / 4:09 pm

      I think the major freakout about the Roe reversal is what it does to the strategy of the Left to sanitize abortion, get rid of the stigma of baby-killing and bring it into the hearts and homes of America as just another process in planning our families.

      When abortion was called a “right” that word conveyed legitimacy, acceptance as a part of what makes America great. I don’t think its value was in making abortion more of a guaranteed ability as it was a normal part of decent American life. So on top of the word “right” we had actual celebrations of abortions, C-list celebrities bragging about their “best” abortions and so on, all part of a coordinated campaign to make abortion seem inoffensive and even important.

      Without the word, and without the protection against states being able to vote on it, abortion is defenseless against public opinion. It will always be legal somewhere, but now there is the very real risk, which I am sure has been evaluated and considered, that the contempt for the procedure will become evident as millions vote against it. The very process of putting it up for votes will expose it to scathing commentary on its brutality and inhumanity, and as arguments are made against it without the protective cover of it somehow being a “right” those who indulge in it will be faced with the reality of what most of America thinks of it—and of them.

  7. Retired Spook June 25, 2022 / 11:17 am

    The irony of the repeal of Roe is that it probably wouldn’t have happened without the pandemic and the Lefts’ response to it. With their fascistic approach to the vaccines and the demonization of many effective therapeudics, the Left essentially abandoned their “my-body-my-choice” dynamic that was the cornerstone of Roe. Once that facade fell, the rest was pretty predictable, if not a foregone conclusion. Thanks Libs. Democracy’s a bitch!

    • Cluster June 25, 2022 / 6:53 pm

      Hadn’t thought of that – Viva La Democracy

    • jdge1 June 25, 2022 / 6:24 pm

      It’s somewhat entertaining in a sad sort of way how the left are tormented to the extreme over the recent SC rulings. Their maturity level is on par with 2 year olds.

      • Retired Spook June 25, 2022 / 7:51 pm

        And yet they somehow believe they’re entitled to rule. Talk about a disconnect.

  8. Retired Spook June 26, 2022 / 2:50 pm

    Well, the “night of rage” didn’t amount to much. I’d like nothing more than to see the Left abandon violence as a political tactic, and compete based on the brilliance and practicality of their ideas, heh.

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