Open Thread

So, Sarah Palin lost in the Alaska at-large special election. More importantly, the GOP lost – even though the GOP scored 60% of the total vote. This is because they use ranked-choice voting…a system designed to provide confusion and allow well organized minorities to dominate. It was put in place by the machinations of Alaska’s allegedly GOP Ruling Class because they didn’t want any more Palins. The election in November, however, even with ranked-choice voting will almost certainly produce a Republican House member.

The city of Jackson, MS is out of water: they have no water to drink. You might be surprised to hear such a thing. I mean, the city sits on the Pearl River and it isn’t like it has needed to increase water capacity as, bucking the trend in the South, it has been steadily losing population since 1980. But, out of water. It is also a majority black city, and this means that, also bucking the trend in the South, the government has been increasingly leftist over the past couple decades. So, who’s at fault for the lack of water?

You are, of course! You: white Republicans! You forced the liberal Democrat (and largely black) government of Jackson to neglect the water system! If you hadn’t been such racists, you’d have been looking closely at Jackson, MS and the minute you saw the water system starting to deteriorate, you would have parachuted the billion dollars they need to fix it. But you didn’t. Because you’re a bunch of white, racist, MAGA meanies.

Apparently at least from some power companies you can get what amounts to a smart thermostat…and they offer you some rebates if you’ll install one. Fine print: when they need to reduce power consumption, they take control of your thermostat. To me, the whole thing is kinda funny – it seems clear in the article that the victims of this are good, little liberals who wanted to do their part…until it got hot outside. One of the reasons I keep my 2004 Saturn in good repair is because it is a car which has absolutely no connection to the grid…you buy an EV, and I guarantee you outside parties can get into it and shut it off any time they want.

Reminder: the Left wants us to live in an impoverished future. The wealthy, American lifestyle is “unsustainable”, in their view. Now, I don’t think that the bosses really believe in climate change…but it is a useful tool of control, isn’t it? Sorry, guys, but we really gotta save the planet…so, no AC for you! No meat, either. Nope, you can’t have a car. Here’s your Life Pod. Eat the bug paste and shut up…

USCD has backed off plans to host a freshman orientation which excluded white people. They got some push back on it – but we are seeing more and more of this and it is happening not simply because of increased Leftism, but an increased sense that at least Pudding Brain’s DOJ won’t do anything about it. Rely on it, guys: any attempt to exclude anyone based on race – especially in any institution which receives taxpayer funds – is a massive violation of multiple federal laws. Huge criminal and civil penalties await anyone who would do such a thing…if anyone will enforce the law. Big if.

We don’t live under law any longer – haven’t, really, since Bill Clinton was allowed to skate on perjury simply because he’s a Democrat. What we live under is whatever the law-enforcers decide is the law…and if a written law doesn’t work to their favor, it is a dead letter. And if there isn’t a law you violated, they’ll make one up if they need to take you out. If we get back in 2024, we really have to send some people to jail – lots and lots of people – if we want even a chance of restoring the Rule of Law in the United States. Every officer of the law and the courts who refused their duty should be fired…and jailed if they violated even the least law while in office.

154 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook September 1, 2022 / 12:08 pm

    Apparently at least from some power companies you can get what amounts to a smart thermostat…and they offer you some rebates if you’ll install one

    We get our electricity from Northeastern REMC (Rural Electric Membership Cooperative) in northeastern Indiana. A year or two ago they offered deals on smart thermostats that could, depending on your heating and cooling system, save the user quite a bit of money by programming the AC temp to go up and/or the heat temp to go down when you either weren’t home or asleep. We have a geothermal heat pump, and, because it has longer lag time than gas forced air, doesn’t work well with the smart thermostat, so we passed. I do recall there being fine print to the effect that if you installed one you gave the REMC permission to adjust your temperature in times of peak demand.

  2. Amazona September 1, 2022 / 12:25 pm

    Going back to the prior thread: Rather than ask an open-ended question of the Bickerboys, which always gets us blabber and evasion (or a genuflection before the altar of Biden delusion) how about a more direct one?

    As the three of you hate Donald Trump so much, why not tell us what you think the United States would be like now, today, if he had retained his office.

    Would gas prices have gone up to $5.00+ a gallon?
    Would we have added hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt?
    Would we have record inflation?
    Would we have enriched Russia so much, by buying oil from them, that we essentially financed a war on an innocent non-aggressive country?
    Would we have used the might and power of the federal government to force people to take an experimental drug or lose their livelihoods?
    Would we have added 87,000 new IRS agents, many of them trained to use weapons (presumably in the course of collecting taxes, I guess)
    Would we have added millions of dependents to our system, by allowing them to cross an open border?
    Would we now, as a nation, be complicit in enriching brutal crime cartels, enabling sex slavery and human trafficking?
    Would we be complicit in the rising death count from fentanyl by looking the other way as it crosses our border?
    Would we be farther along in getting industry, especially critical medical and pharmaceutical industries, moved back to the United States?
    Would we have an entire administration trying to foment dangerous divisions in our nation by identifying half of the country as domestic terrorists, fascists or the greatest danger ever known to our country?
    Would we still have an entrenched and protected Bureaucratic State basically legislating by passing rules and regulations which then become treated as laws?
    Would that Bureaucratic State still be concentrated in the Beltway, centralizing its powers?

    I ask because these are the issues that concern most Americans—not petty squabbling over who said what when about what documents or whatever other distraction the Left tries to come up with. And an increasing number of Americans, including blacks, youth, Hispanics and former Democrats, find themselves looking at questions like these and answering “NO” to all of them. We believe that the trajectory of Trump policies and actions, if uninterrupted, would demand that response.

    What do you say?

    • Cluster September 1, 2022 / 12:55 pm

      I never understood how people can be against Making America Great Again. Tonight you will here the illegitimate President call half the country extreme fascists simply because they want to “Make America Great Again” – energy independence, secure borders, no endless wars, lower cost of living – how can anyone be against that??

    • casper3031 September 1, 2022 / 9:18 pm

      Amazona,
      Here are your answers. I didn’t answer a few questions as they were based on false assumptions.

      Would gas prices have gone up to $5.00+ a gallon? Yes, it happened all over the world.

      Would we have added hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt? Probably far more. Trump holds the record for adding to the National debt.
      
Would we have record inflation? Yes as that is something that is also happening worldwide.
      
Would we have used the might and power of the federal government to force people to take an experimental drug or lose their livelihoods? There would have probably been a couple of million more deaths as Trump wouldn’t have pushed the effective FDA approved vaccines.
      
Would we have added 87,000 new IRS agents, many of them trained to use weapons (presumably in the course of collecting taxes, I guess) No. The agents are being added over a ten year period at a time 50,000 agents are expected to retire. Most will go into customer service or will work to make sure richer Americans pay their share of taxes. 

      Would we have added millions of dependents to our system, by allowing them to cross an open border?
Would we be complicit in the rising death count from fentanyl by looking the other way as it crosses our border? The border isn’t open. They are currently catching more refugees crossing the border illegally and seizing more drugs than under Trump. Sounds to me they are doing a better job.
      
Would we be farther along in getting industry, especially critical medical and pharmaceutical industries, moved back to the United States? No
Would we have an entire administration trying to foment dangerous divisions in our nation by identifying half of the country as domestic terrorists, fascists or the greatest danger ever known to our country? Yes, that is what Trump did his first term.
      Overall the people of our country would be sicker, poorer, have fewer jobs at less pay, and fewer rights under Trump.

      • Amazona September 1, 2022 / 10:00 pm

        Would gas prices have gone up to $5.00+ a gallon? Yes, it happened all over the world.

        Why?

        Trump holds the record for adding to the National debt.

        This is so far out, you’d better support this.

        
Would we have record inflation? Yes as that is something that is also happening worldwide

        Why?

        There would have probably been a couple of million more deaths as Trump wouldn’t have pushed the effective FDA approved vaccines.

        Actually, while there is no way to know for sure, I seriously doubt that Trump would have allowed the government to continue lying to the public, telling us that the “vaccines” are both safe and effective, once the evidence started piling up that they are neither. And BTW the vaccines have still not been fully approved, which is how the companies avoid liability for the deaths and injuries the drugs are causing, with the federal government both pushing the drugs and providing legal cover for the companies. Your comment about “effective FDA approved vaccines” is nonsense as they are neither effective nor FDA approved.

        Remember, Trump tried to help people by talking about tested and approved therapeutics, and the response was to literally ban anything he talked about. And I mean LITERALLY. Governors refused to allow those drugs to be sold in their states. Pharmacists refused to honor legal prescriptions. Doctors were fired, and/or threatened with losing their licenses, if they prescribed or even recommended these drugs. We will never know how many people died because in the pursuit of denying Trump the “victory” of helping people deal with this virus with prompt and effective treatments they were denied these life-saving treatments. Of course, now we know how safe and effective these treatments were, and that they could have saved countless lives.

        The agents are being added over a ten year period at a time 50,000 agents are expected to retire. Most will go into customer service or will work to make sure richer Americans pay their share of taxes. 


        Hmmmm. Source this, please, as I have not seen or heard a claim that these “new” agents (direct quote) are really going to be, as you claim, only going to be added gradually to account for natural attrition. “Most will go into customer service ” after their paramilitary training with heavy arms, of course, and then they will be sent out to “make sure richer Americans pay their share of taxes”. Your entire “answer” can most accurately be summed up as “10 pounds of shit in a five pound bag”.

        “The border isn’t open.”
        “They are currently catching more refugees crossing the border illegally and seizing more drugs than under Trump. ”
        “Sounds to me they are doing a better job.”

        Sounds to me like you are paying way too much attention to those voices in your head and not nearly enough to reality. Cite your sources for these fantasies, please. “Refugees”? It doesn’t look like you missed a single Progressive talking point.

        You claim that we would not be making progress in getting essential industries moved back here to the United States, and then you claim that “what Trump did his first term” was trying to foment dangerous divisions in our nation by identifying half of the country as domestic terrorists, fascists or the greatest danger ever known to our country You seem to forget that we were HERE in that first term, and we know better. You can’t cite a single thing Trump ever said to “identify half of the country as domestic terrorists, fascists or the greatest danger ever known to our country”. Not a word.

        You people have your heads so firmly planted in your nether regions (where the view never changes) that you are either oblivious to the fact that all this “division” you howl about came from the Left in its incessant, shrieking, nonstop attacks on Trump or you realize it but prefer to tell the lie. It started with the Russia Hoax and #RESIST! and never stopped. It takes a special kind of crazy to set the nation on fire and then call the other guy the arsonist—but that’s what we are talking about. A special kind of crazy

        Need more proof? Here you go: Overall the people of our country would be sicker, poorer, have fewer jobs at less pay, and fewer rights under Trump What you are saying is that in his second term Trump would have done a 180 and completely reversed the path he had established that made us healthier, richer, more secure, with better employment for more money while he vigorously defended our rights. Basically, that he would have governed like Joe Biden.

        Under Biden: Life expectancy is down, national security is more fragile, personal security even outside blue cysts in the country is down as criminality goes up, there is far less employment, there have been no rises in pay but massive rises in costs of living that eat up what is made, and we have been told we don’t have the right to refuse to inject ourselves with dangerous experimental drugs, that the State can strip us of our livelihoods if we do not bend the knee to its edicts, that parents have limited if any rights to say how they want their children educated and a Congressional committee trying to criminalize free speech and assembly. We’ve been threatened with the loss of the right to work, to travel, to associate freely, and to petition the government for redress of wrongs—none of these under Trump, all under Biden.

        Thank you for exposing what passes for thought on the Left.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:07 pm

        To “the border isn’t open”, from an August 6 article

        Border Patrol agents have encountered a record number of 1,853,837 migrants since October, according to internal U.S. Customs and Border Protection data exclusively obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

        The illegal border crossings, which occurred between Oct. 1, 2021, and Aug. 6 2022, already exceed the 1,662,422 Border Patrol encountered in fiscal year 2021, which was already a record high for the force, according to the internal data.

        The record number comes after Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas assured the public in July that “the border is secure.”

        The number of migrant rescues and deaths also surpass the record highs of fiscal year 2021. In total, there were 19,144 rescues and 663 deaths between Oct. 1, 2021 and Aug. 6, 2022.

        There were 18,881 illegal alien rescues and 650 illegal alien deaths between October 2021 and July 2022, and the new numbers show the devastation is only increasing, according previous data the DCNF earlier exclusively obtained.

        …………………………………………

        More adults between 18 and 45 died of fentanyl overdoses in 2020 than COVID-19, motor vehicle accidents, cancer and suicide. Fentanyl also killed more Americans in general in 2020 than car accidents, gun violence, breast cancer and suicide, according to the analysis of CDC data from Families Against Fentanyl.

        That comment I made about the inability of Leftists to connect dots? Here’s a two-dot sequence Teacher Casper hasn’t been able to connect:
        The number of fentanyl deaths in the U.S. doubled in just TWO years to over 64,000 deaths Dot # 1=the doubling of fentanyl deaths.
        Dot #2=the time period in which this happened. Even a short straight line is evidently too much for Casper. But give him time to find out what MSNBC and CNN and PBS say about this, so he will know what he thinks.

        Add another dot, just to totally baffle him:
        TEXAS SEIZED ENOUGH FENTANYL TO KILL 200 MILLION PEOPLE THIS YEAR ALONE, OFFICIALS SAY

        Texas, eh? You mean right there along the border? But let me guess—the wholly unfounded whine from Cappy will be what he tried in his screed about the awful terrible horrible events that would have occurred if Trump was still president: “They are currently …….. seizing more drugs than under Trump. Sounds to me they are doing a better job.” Evidently the doubling of Fentanyl deaths since Biden opened the border is a dot too far, so to speak.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:14 pm

        Read your own link. The Obama debt was to address the “Great Recession”. (That was way back in the Olden Days, when a recession was defined as two successive quarters of negative growth.) And, in typical Leftist fashion, he “dealt with it” by throwing trillions of dollars at it, skyrocketing national debt and doing nothing for the economic problems, which had been initiated by Leftist policies in the first place. Because in Leftyland piling on the debt solves economic problems.

        Trump’s debt, however, was incurred due to the Covid pandemic. You guys remember that, don’t you? When your squealing that he “isn’t DOING ENOUGH !!!!!!” to fight the virus and its associated problems. Then he wasn’t doing enough. Now he spent too much money on it.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 1:29 pm

        re: national debt, per your own link:

        Barack Obama and Donald Trump followed suit, the former primarily to combat the Great Recession and the latter mostly to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

        That is, Obama dumped trillions of dollars into the national debt with the same insane justification Biden is using to deal with inflation—that adding debt reduces inflation.

        On the other hand, the Trump debt was mostly to deal with the pandemic. You guys remember that, don’t you? When you were all squealing that he wasn’t “doing enough” about the virus spread?

        You’d be shameless if you were capable of shame.

      • Rm42 September 4, 2022 / 5:53 am

        Casper … it happened all over the world with Biden, under Biden energy policies, with Biden spending bills. Under Trump almost assuredly the us would still be producing much more oil. More oil on the open market is lower prices. “Happening worldwide’ is not an excuse when you know very well the interconnected nature of the world economy and the outsized effect US actions have on it.

        Just making a bunch of claims with less than nothing to back them up, Casper, is not actually presenting an argument.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 10:51 am

        Just making a bunch of claims with less than nothing to back them up, Casper, is not actually presenting an argument.

        Yet that is all he has ever done, in more than a decade of dropping in here to expound on his wholly unfounded conviction of his own intelligence.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 11:28 am

        I believe that if Trump had remained in office we would still have a robust energy sector employing tens of thousands of people in well-paying jobs and pumping billions of dollars of revenue into the tax coffers, and we would not have propped up Russia’s faltering and failing economy to the point where she could invade an innocent and nonaggressive neighboring country.

        I also believe that we would now be selling billions of dollars of gas and oil to Europe, saving their bacon once again and providing a revenue stream to our own country to offset the trillions of dollars of Leftist debt dumped on us by former administrations (including Republicans).

        Our two biggest geopolitical foes are China and Russia, both of which have been having serious economic problems. (Leftist governance = economic misery, but that’s another topic.) By emphasizing and building on our own national strengths we could have, and should have, set ourselves up as the strongest nation in the world. Instead, we crippled much of our own economy and have been reduced to groveling to nations which do not like or respect us, begging them to provide what we have made ourselves unable to provide for ourselves.

    • Amazona September 1, 2022 / 9:23 pm

      It’s only been 9 hours—I am sure the Bickerboys are hard at work putting together scathing responses to my questions.

  3. Cluster September 1, 2022 / 12:52 pm

    We don’t live under law any longer

    Correct. We no longer live under the rule of law, but rather the law of rulers. Sad to say but I no longer trust anything in this country anymore. Nothing. The media, the government, the DOJ, the IRS, the Medical industry, Education, the Military Industrial Complex, etc. are all run by dishonest incompetent agenda driven people. The Left has infected everything in this country.

  4. Cluster September 1, 2022 / 12:58 pm

    And here it is:

    Now you know why the government and Big Tech were pushing smart meters. Residents in Colorado were surprised this week when they were unable to adjust the smart meters in their own home.

    I remember back in the 80’s when Democrats were anti war and anti big government hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    They’ve sure done a 180 on that right?

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/energy-company-shuts-access-home-thermostats-90-degree-heat-wave-denver/

    • Amazona September 1, 2022 / 9:06 pm

      We’ve always assumed the vaccine kills you quickly (in the first two weeks) because that’s when people notice the association and report it to VAERS. This is still true; it does kill some people quickly.

      However, most of the deaths from the vaccine are happening an average of 5 months from the last dose for the second dose. It may be getting shorter the more shots you get but there are arguments both ways (since there can be survivor bias).

      But this explains why the life insurance companies got off-the-charts all-cause mortality peaks for people under 60 in Q3 and Q4 rather than right after the shots rolled out.

      The five month delay is also consistent with death reports where people are developing new aggressive cancers that are killing them over a 4 to 6 month period.

      So when you hear of a death from stroke, cardiac arrest, heart attack, cancer, and suicide that is happening around 5 months after vaccination, it could very well be a vaccine-related death.

    • Amazona September 1, 2022 / 9:21 pm

      Yeah. Ban gasoline-powered cars and demand that people switch to electric vehicles, in a state with a deeply flawed and failing power grid, and then tell people not to charge those new cars.

      Tell people the feds will subsidize buying those expensive electric cars, hiding the ugly facts—such as how few will qualify for the subsidy (I think right now that number is still zero) because it only applies to vehicles with certain characteristics

      And don’t tell them how much petroleum product is involved in making those cars, or that after about 100,000 they’ll need new batteries at $10,000 or so a pop, or that renewable energy can’t even come close to providing the electricity they will need to run them so they will be dependent on petro-power after all, or how much it will cost to put a charger in their garages, or how long it will take to fully charge them, or how much stations will charge for using their fast chargers.

      Like all Leftist hype, the wheels come off when you try to get to cruising speed with this brilliant idea.

  5. Retired Spook September 1, 2022 / 2:21 pm

    I posted this (in response to Forty) at the end of the previous thread, but it was an important enough question that it deserves an answer:

    Somebody is deleting comments. If not, there is a malfunction. But you told me and fielding that you checked our IP addresses, which in WordPress requires more than ordinary user capabilities, so you may be able to look into this.

    It’s not me. I do still have administrative authority from back when Cluster and I wrote quite a few posts when Mark took a sabbatical, but that was a long time ago.

    Anyway, I can’t see that anyone actually asked me to list “all the ways the Koch Brothers are going to restrict your freedom if they get in charge.”

    I didn’t originally word it that way. It was in response to your comment about the shoe being on the other foot. Here’s what I said: (8/28 @ 3.34 PM)

    Who would you include in the “radical right,” and how would you describe their agenda, or what you perceive to be their agenda? If they were in power, would they force everyone to own a gun as they do in Switzerland? Would they force everyone to believe in God? Would they force everyone to drive a certain kind of car or live in a certain kind of dwelling? What do you fear they would do that would have an adverse effect on your life?

    • Cluster September 1, 2022 / 6:01 pm

      Leftists are so predictable that I can probably answer this question better than some of them. Their response would be:

      – The Right is racist so Jim Crow laws will come back into effect and POC’s will be marginalized.
      – The Right will force pregnancies on 10 year olds and make them carry the baby to term
      – The Right will impose religious views and contraception will be illegal and all women will be forced to wear Handmade Tale uniforms.
      – The Right believes in law and order and that’s racist so our prisons will be full of black people.
      – And of course the Right are extremists and don’t respect America’s “institutions” so democracy will die.

      That’s a short list. How’d I do?

      • Retired Spook September 1, 2022 / 8:20 pm

        You know them too well. Kinda scary, actually.

    • Amazona September 1, 2022 / 9:00 pm

      I notice none of your questions are answered, nor are mine.

      That’s what we have come to expect from these Bickerboys. They want to come here and dump a lot of Leftist spin, but when it comes down to defending the system, or pinning down specifics, they are mute. They get all worked up watching their talking heads spewing hateful garbage, and it all makes so much sense to them, they can’t wait to come here and boy howdy tell us how it IS. But then they fall apart when challenged with facts. So they snipe, and that gets those posts bumped, and then they whine.

      Rinse and repeat. It never changes.

    • fortyacresbeyond September 1, 2022 / 10:35 pm

      Ha. I answered this in the original thread. Sorry, I’ve been busy and I’m a little behind. I’ll copy my response here since this is where you asked again.

      “Who would you include in the ‘radical right,’ and how would you describe their agenda, or what you perceive to be their agenda?”

      I responded to that directly on August 28.

      “If they were in power, would they force everyone to own a gun as they do in Switzerland? Would they force everyone to believe in God? Would they force everyone to drive a certain kind of car or live in a certain kind of dwelling? What do you fear they would do that would have an adverse effect on your life?”

      Okay, since I don’t have a definition of the “radical right,” I’ll interpret this as, “If Republicans were in control of the presidency and both houses of Congress…” As I have previously said here, sometimes Republicans are in power, sometimes Democrats. That’s the normal ebb and flow of American politics. I don’t believe that Republican control would destroy America as we know it, as you all repeatedly claim if Democrats are in control. The major exception would be Donald Trump because, in my opinion, he is singularly bad for America because he is so corrupt. If Republicans control all branches of government and Trump is president, I would expect the rampant corruption of the Trump administration to continue, only now completely unabated. I think that would be very bad and dangerous for the United States of America.

      As to your specific questions, to me they represent a caricature of what you think “the other side” (to use a term often used around here) thinks. No, I don’t think everyone would be forced to own a gun. No, I don’t think everyone would be forced to believe in God or drive a certain car or live in a certain dwelling.

      I think we would continue to see an erosion of voting rights (as we are seeing right now), continued manipulation of government institutions to make it easier to overturn election results (which we are seeing right now). We would see policy slanted to advantage the wealthy (who you all claim should have their money confiscated, but you would see policies that are the opposite of that), continued intrusion of religion into secular public institutions like schools, continued non-response to climate change, and continued non-response to gun violence. Those are off the top of my head. It’s not like a bunch of dramatic things would happen immediately like you suggest in your comments, but more of a gradual process.

      I hope that answers your questions.

      • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 8:01 am

        Not really, but thanks for playing. Now, to use one of my favorite Brit terms, why don’t you sod off.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 2, 2022 / 11:19 am

        BTW, I noticed that an Indiana Oath Keeper was arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 siege of the capitol: Michael Greene, aka Michael Simmons. Do you know him?

        Per the Indianapolis Star, “The indictment states Greene participated in an online meeting Nov. 9, 2020, in which Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, founder and leader of the Oath Keepers, outlined a plan to stop the transfer of presidential power. Rhodes later chose Greene to be an operations leader for Jan. 6 and Greene transported firearms, ammunition and other related items to Washington D.C. in early January 2021, according to the news release.”

        https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2022/06/24/oath-keeper-michael-greene-from-indianapolis-arrested-alleged-role-capitol-riot/7723352001/

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 1:39 pm

        Clearly to a collectivist, one is the same as many which is the same as all.

        (Well, except for when two gay men adopt two little boys and the sexually abuse them and pimp them out and use them for kiddy porn. THAT does not mean all gay men are pedophiles. Or except when Leftist loons shoot up public areas in mass killings. THAT doesn’t mean all Lefties are dangerous when armed. Or except when hundreds of them riot, burn down whole neighborhoods, target cops with deadly weapons including lasers to try to blind them, etc. THAT doesn’t mean that all Leftists are crazed maniacs. Or except when Leftists march with Socialist and Anarchist flags and make speeches about wanting to overturn the government. THAT doesn’t mean all Leftists are insurrectionist wannabes. It’s just when someone who can be associated with the Right does something you can bleat means it taints everyone on the Right, even if just with a coy smirk like “do you know this guy”? )

        The Left has no room for individuals, as I noted when I posted the actual ideology of Fascism, as written by its father, Benito Mussolini.

  6. Cluster September 1, 2022 / 11:03 pm

    So the POTUS called me, and millions like me, an existential, fascist threat to our “democracy” this evening. And what has this country done historically to existential fascist threats? This country has gone to war with those threats and eliminated them. So I’m wondering, did FJB just incite civil war??

    • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 1:49 pm

      I met yet another conservative today. It’s funny how people are now, when speaking with strangers, dropping little hints, testing the waters to see where the other person stands. She was a military brat, growing up mostly in Germany, so she has a different perspective on the Left than our Useful Idiots here at home.

      We laughed about the Left’s inability to connect the dots. Even when Newsome declares on one day that California is banning the sale of gas-powered vehicles so people will have to switch to electric and the next day warns Californians that there isn’t enough electricity to charge their cars, the Lefties can’t even connect two dots. That’s why they can’t figure out that electric cars are more harmful to the environment than internal combustion vehicles. That’s why they can’t figure out that limiting domestic petroleum production results in higher petroleum costs.

    • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:22 pm

      Yeah—the president who has been trying to criminalize free speech, who is weaponizing federal agencies to penalize free speech as well as to attack, bully, intimidate and maybe even indict political opposition, who supports having part of the Legislative Branch trying to rig the next election by keeping his most powerful opponent off the ticket, who used the power of the State to force people to inject experimental and dangerous drugs or lose their livelihoods, who threatened to keep Americans from crossing state lines in our own country if we would not bend the knee to his vax mandates, who arbitrarily shut down and destroyed businesses, who shut down our public school system, who wants to circumvent the Constitution by federalizing national elections, who wants to circumvent the Constitution by putting the State in control of abortion access and who is putting together the most powerful Police State this nation has ever seen, is now claiming the people he is trying to silence and oppress and disenfranchise are really the Fascists.

    • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:28 pm

      So I’m wondering, did FJB just incite civil war??

      Today Clay Travis had a great take on the Biden rant. He said that Biden claimed that we as a nation are where we were in 1860 and again in 1940. Clay pointed out that those were the years leading up the Civil War and WW II, and that he appeared to be comparing himself to Lincoln (1860) and FDR (1940) as well as positioning himself as the next great national hero and war president.

      I’ll bet you can find this segment from this morning’s show. It’s well worth a listen.

      But using this imagery as well as repeatedly identifying his political opposition not just as enemies of his party but of the nation and emphasizing the need to fight this “existential threat to democracy” sure does sound like saber-rattling at the very least. (Naturally it was accompanied by the ongoing claim that it is the Right promoting political violence.)

      • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 2:41 pm

        (Naturally it was accompanied by the ongoing claim that it is the Right promoting political violence.)

        This is a dangerous combination of projection and wishful thinking that, if pushed and goaded hard enough, forces on the Right may actually make it true. There just aren’t nearly as many useful idiots on the Right as there are on the Left. Sorry, Joe.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 3:09 pm

        I think there may have been a flutter or two of anger in the few conservatives who even bothered to watch or listen to this, but even so it was quickly replaced by a bemused shake of the head and a moment or two of wondering just who could possibly be swayed by such relentless and transparent codswallop. Whoever is driving the Biden bus is clueless. While it is invigorating to flex the muscles and feel the power, and be inclined to up the ante and make it clear to the nation the direction they want to push it, it’s a bad idea to have a militaristic setting for a militaristic speech unless you are absolutely sure the country is ready for this and will welcome it. And I think they are as out of touch with the people in this calculation as they are in everything else.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:54 pm

        Who came up with the idea that telling the American public they had better align themselves with the Left or they’ll be sorry is a good strategy?

        I think a lot of Dems who might have gone along with a less strident approach are going to look at this and think “OK, so if I don’t support THIS they’ll punish me, and that’s no big deal because I do support THIS—but what about when they come up with something I don’t support or agree with? Do I want to keep giving them more power so if that happens they can come after me, too? Am I willing to spend the rest of my life being careful to always be on the right side of whatever they want or fearing the consequences if I’m not?”

        And people who aren’t already thinking like ought to start, and start now.

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 3:45 pm

        I’m sure you have all noticed how often Democrats use the word “fight”. They’re fighting about everything, but then point to us as the extremists, it’s beyond Orwellian. They have projection down to an art form

  7. Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 8:38 am

    Here’s the meme creators’ take on Brandon’s speech.

  8. Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 8:43 am

    OK, this one is cute, funny …..and, sadly, TRUE.

  9. Cluster September 2, 2022 / 8:55 am

    I noticed Forty’s predictable response to Spook’s question where the loss of “voting rights” was mentioned and of course Trump’s “corruption. First of all, more people voted in the 2020 election than ever before in history, yet the empty hysterics surrounding voter suppression lives on in the damaged minds of progressives. Secondly, the specifics of Trump’s “corruption” is never mentioned. Ever. It’s almost as if Don Jr is grifting off of China and Ukraine and giving 10% to the Big Guy …. oh wait.

    The speech last night by FJB was the most dystopian and divisive speech any American politician has ever delivered. We can not allow the current Democrat party to continue on it’s current path and if that means picking up arms …. so be it. Last night was another turning point in American history.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/stephen-miller-biden-tonight-gave-speech-dictator-style-dictator-visual-dictator-using-words-dicatator-video/

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 1:42 pm

        He and his team are clearly influenced by the Nazi-like imagery of the Obama nomination speech in Denver, in front of huge pillars that eerily had a Third Reich flavor. I used to joke that when the convention (and resulting speech) were located on Speer Boulevard in Denver, Obama got excited because he thought it was ALBERT Speer Boulevard.

        (To you historical illiterates, look it up.)

        I always wondered if Hitler had a reverb feature on HIS speakers.

      • Jeremiah September 2, 2022 / 8:59 pm

        It looked like a portal to hell. Leni Riefenstahl would be proud.

    • fortyacresbeyond September 2, 2022 / 11:30 am

      “Secondly, the specifics of Trump’s ‘corruption’ is never mentioned.”

      Would you like me to go into specifics?

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 12:46 pm

        You can’t

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 12:56 pm

        On second thought, your support for straight up fascism, the raping of migrant women, endless wars, and this piece of fuck you call a President diminishes you as a human being. You are the problem this country needs to eliminate and I pray that happens soon. Bye bye bitch

      • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 12:56 pm

        Would you like me to go into specifics?

        So, what you’re saying is that you reeeeeeeallly want to cut and paste your Left-wing talking points, but somehow you think you need permission? What part of sod off didn’t you understand?

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 1:32 pm

        No, he knows he will be shredded if he tries to drag in old complaints about old business deals. And that’s really all they’ve got. Even back then Trump was investigated and even sued, and when it came down hard cold facts he was never found guilty of any of the charges leveled against him. Back in the day it was mostly his business enemies—today it is the State. Or, to be more accurate, the Statsi

  10. jdge1 September 2, 2022 / 11:17 am

    The CDC, FDA, WHO, NIH, medical and governmental entities who push the COVID job must think we’re unable to put 2 + 2 together.

    Emerging statistics show; “Far more people died in 2021 and 2022 after the rollout of the jab, than in 2020 during the height of the COVID pandemic. These deaths were above 15% of the five-year average. A majority of these deaths were cardiovascular in nature, one of the primary adverse reactions of the jab.

    • In the U.S., we lost 349,000 younger Americans to something besides COVID and non-natural death between April 3, 2021 and August 13, 2022, and that’s not counting the tens of thousands of death records that the CDC has inexplicably deleted. As much as 15% to 25% of the death reports that could indicate a COVID jab death are missing. Other data show that during the fall of 2021, Millennials, aged 25 to 44, had an 84% increase in excess deaths.

    An exceeding high number of healthy young professional athletes on a worldwide basis have died during competition… mostly from cardiovascular issues. Untold number of young healthy individuals from most all categories have died as a result of the jab. There has even been a much higher rate of miscarriage for women who received the jab.

    Those involved who unapologetically pushing the jab, lockdowns, disruption of lives and livelihood far beyond a cautious approach, those responsible for creating and allowing (my guess, intentionally) the virus to escape, thereby infection tens of millions of people, they should all be held accountable. Especially in light of what we know today, which likely only a miniscule amount of the evil behind all of this, these people are beyond criminal.

  11. Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 1:10 pm

    I’m not big into making predictions, particularly political predictions, but I’m going to stick my neck out and say that if there is a red wave in November, pundits are going to look back at last night’s speech as the turning point that coalesced public opinion behind the GOP.

    • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 2:00 pm

      Spook,
      On the other hand it might do the opposite. MAGA voters were going to come out regardless. Rightwing media does a great job of keeping them scared and angry. Motivating the rest of us will hopefully get more regular voters to the polls. Personally, I thing the decision on Roe was the turning point. Things have been looking up for the Democrats since.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:38 pm

        Rightwing media does a great job of keeping them scared and angry Wow. This is about as disconnected with reality as Joe’s claim it is the people his police state are oppressing are the real fascists.

        Just what are those nasty old “rightwing” media saying that keeps us so “scared and angry”?

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 2:38 pm

        Could it be stories about rampant crime throughout the nation, spreading out from the lawless Leftist enclaves where DAs won’t prosecute and judges release hardened criminals from prison? Because those stories DO make us angry, and a little scared as well. Something about knowing that murderers and rapists are set free to continue preying on is does tend to have that effect. So what’s your solution? Be like the Agenda Media and treat the public like mushrooms, keeping them in the dark and feeding them bullshit?

        Could it be honest reporting about the dangers of the so-called “vaccines”

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 3:04 pm

        I thing (sic) the decision on Roe was the turning point

        I know, I know. This whole thing about removing the pretense that butchering babies is just exercising a Constitutional right just really upsets you. And you seem to think it is highly motivating event that will lead to massive numbers of people rushing out to express their outrage by….what?

        Are you people really so delusional that you think VOTING can reinstate this fatally flawed old SCOTUS decision? What is the problem with you people? It’s like you all wake up every morning and your affirmations taped to your bathroom mirrors all say “I will be the most stubbornly stupid person it is in my power to be. I have the power to ignore or deny any fact and this will be my goal for the day.”

        Read the Roe decision. Then go look up the Amendment it references. Then sit and ponder for a while. Probably, knowing you, a very very very long while. Then go back and see if there is anything in the Constitution that references, even tangentially. federal authority over abortion or anything relating to it. (This reference might be hidden behind the wording supporting slavery and denying women the vote. You claimed to have found that wording, once.) Then go back to the 10th Amendment. And maybe, just MAYBE, you’ll finally be able to suss out that Dobbs pointed out, rightfully, that five Liberals with strong political agendas never had the true authority to invent a “right” that is not referenced in the Constitution and is, therefore, firmly in the realm of state authority.

        Though none of this sounds like the kind of process you, and your fellow hysterics, find valuable or even likely. I just outlined the process to let you know how rational people come to their conclusions and beliefs.

        ROE V WADE WAS NOT ABOUT ABORTION. ROE V WADE WAS ABOUT AN ACTIVIST COURT USING ABORTION AS A STALKING HORSE FOR EXPANSION OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY, EXCEEDING THAT GRANTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

        All the shrieking harridans dedicated to the concepts that a woman is merely a vessel for irresponsible pleasure who should not be expected to take any responsibility for her reckless actions, that humans can be considered property with no inherent rights with their fates decided by their owners, and that human life has no inherent value other than that assigned to it by a pathologically self-centered and selfish female, can hoot and holler and stomp and squeal and threaten that THIS is the reason they will not vote for a Republican. And we all know they would never vote for a Republican anyway.

        The “turning point” will depend on how many people who would vote Republican but are also both ignorant (or dismissive) of the Constitution and simultaneously dedicated to the concept it is OK to butcher unborn children and simultaneously stupid enough to think that Dobbs makes this impossible or at least illegal. And I think this is a much smaller group than exists in the feverswamp of your wishful thinking.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 8:54 pm

        Casper just ignores the factual statements I make, above, to fall back on his whine that “most” Americans support baby butchering. This is really a big deal for him.

        Though abortion itself might not be a big deal to him, but just an issue he thinks will sway voters back to the left. He seems pretty convinced that we should be very very nervous about the prospect of Dem women voting Dem.

      • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 3:29 pm

        If tens or hundreds of thousands of women (regardless of political persuasion) wanted but were not able to obtain an abortion between now and November 8th, I could see where this issue might move the needle. But it’s not likely that a single woman who wants an abortion between now and 11/8 will be unable to obtain one.

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 3:42 pm

        If you watch MSNBC you’ll know Democrats are losing the Roe argument. The only defense they have is repeating the “hypothetical” argument of a ten year old of being raped. Ten year olds can’t vote.

        Hahaha, was that wrong?

      • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 6:04 pm

        “Just what are those nasty old “rightwing” media saying that keeps us so “scared and angry”?”

        Democrats want you to eat bug paste (we don’t). Democrats want open borders (we don’t and they aren’t). Refugees are coming to kill you (they aren’t). I could go on all day. It’s what you guys do.

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 6:46 pm

        You’ve never been to the border so you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. It is open, wide open, and immigrants are simply walking across the border every day. I see it every time I go to Yuma.

        Want to try again?

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:41 pm

        Casper cannot be shamed. To be shameable is to have the intellect and self awareness to cringe at being found to be a simpering fool. He just doesn’t care. He has always been smug in his stupidity, quite happy—eager, in fact—to show it off.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 8:51 pm

        But you DO go on all day, babbling nonsense. The whole eating bugs thing is being promoted by Leftist groups, the same people claiming that we’re all going to starve. Or drown or roast or whatever is the Panic Of The Day. Not just “Democrats”—the Left in general.

        Who howled that closing the border was racist and “xenophobic”? Gee, wasn’t that coming from Dems? Who still has a hissy fit whenever someone suggests finishing the wall? Yep, the same old Dems. The borders aren’t open? Your insistence on beclowning yourself by spouting nonsense (or lies, depending on your level of sentience) is really getting almost clinical. Maybe your kids ought to have you tested.

        “Refugees” apply for entry into the country to escape various dangerous conditions,. they are here legally. You can play the Name Game all you want, redefining terms as much as you need to support your cockamamie delusions, but these people are not refugees, they are criminals, becoming criminals the moment they break our laws by entering the country illegally. And yes, some of the do come here to kill people. Or to rape. Or to rob. And way too often to deliver lethal drugs to kill Americans.

      • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 6:30 pm

        So about abortion. The belief that life begins at conception is a religious belief. And it’s not universally held. Most Americans don’t believe that a small group of cells equals a baby. Jews believe that life begins at first breath. Considering Christ was a Jewish Rabbi I would guess that that was his belief also. He certainly never preached against abortion. So any law making abortion illegal is an attempt to force a religious belief on everybody, regardless of their religion. Personally I believe a baby is a baby when it is old enough to live outside of it’s mother.
        As for the decision of the Supreme Court, four of the justices who voted to overturn Roe, had testified under oath that they considered Roe settled law. , which makes their opinions perjury at best. I don’t care what their reasoning was and neither do the majority of Americans. A number of Republicans have already stated that they want to ban abortion for the whole country. That is why so many Americans are looking at voting Democrat this year.

      • Cluster September 2, 2022 / 6:44 pm

        Seems contradictory then that Democrats would go out of there way to protect the nesting grounds of sea turtles and the Delta smelt if life doesn’t begin at conception. How does that make sense? Also, why do liberal judges charge a person for two murders if they kill a pregnant woman? Doesn’t make sense. And why also would women and couples announce the birth and the gender months before birth? Again doesn’t make sense if in fact the “majority” of Americans don’t think it’s a baby until it breathes.

        Want to try again?

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 8:44 pm

        Please please PLEASE you baby-killing advocate—DO NOT TELL US THAT CHRIST WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. Few things are more profoundly disgusting that smug pronouncements about “what Jesus thinks” than people whose moral code is the antithesis of Christianity.

        Now back to the subject of JUST HOW STUPID IS CASPER, ANYWAY? The latest addition to the very long list of exhibits supporting the conclusion of very very very stupid is this: four of the justices who voted to overturn Roe, had testified under oath that they considered Roe settled law. , which makes their opinions perjury at best. This level of stupid can’t even just be genetic—it has to be sought out and carefully nurtured to reach this degree of ripeness.

        Roe was settled law—until it was overturned. Now you can nod sagely when some TV moron explains the bizarre theory you just put forth, but the fact is, no law is permanently carved in stone. Duh. Double triple quadruple duh. How many laws have been repealed? It happens all the time. That’s why we no longer have slavery. If a law that is, in fact, the law of the land at any given time and is then repealed, those who admitted that until repeal it has the status of “settled law” but also know it is very bad, very defective and very stupid law can vote to repeal it without this meaning they lied.

        We all thank God, I think, that you are no longer polluting the minds of children in Casper.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:44 pm

        Personally I believe a baby is a baby when it is old enough to live outside of it’s (sic) mother. )Clearly you didn’t teach English—though, now that I think of it, it’s quite possible that your grasp of grammar and punctuation is just as defective as that of the Constitution.)

        So what you are saying is that your personal FEELZ outweigh actual science. Gee, who woulda thunk it?

      • jdge1 September 2, 2022 / 7:34 pm

        ” So about abortion. The belief that life begins at conception is a religious belief.”

        No. It’s a scientific fact that is also supported by religious people who believe in the dignity of the innocent unborn human.

        ” And it’s not universally held. “

        Of course not. The unfortunate fact is there are scads of people with an ulterior motive (usually financial), and scads of people with the inability to use intelligence to understand FACT. That still doesn’t make it untrue, just that there a lot of really dumb & corrupt people.

        ” As for the decision of the Supreme Court, four of the justices who voted to overturn Roe, had testified under oath that they considered Roe settled law.”

        Your lack of reading comprehension about what the justices testified under oath does mean they committed perjury, only that you should not be a teacher of logic & reasoning.
        —-

        That fact that 44 states ban abortion at some point during the pregnancy and several are or have moved the timeline up on when abortion can be legally performed or banned it outright would seem to suggest a good many people recognize the unique individual life of the unborn.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:38 pm

        At conception, the fetus has all the DNA it will ever have, and this DNA identifies it as a human being. There is no point in the continuum from conception to birth where this baby is anything but a human being. The question of when the soul enters the child is a religious one, but the fact that it IS a child, just at an early stage of development, is pure scientific fact.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 8:32 pm

        This poll contradicts most others, as well as the voter decisions in many states. What I don’t understand is your passion for supporting the killing of unborn children, and/or your odd need to convince us that you are in the majority.

        I just read an article (and no, I’m not going to go hunting for it to satisfy you, because no matter what it says it wouldn’t make any difference to you anyway) saying that the number of people who casually answered “yes” to the question of supporting the ability to get an abortion at any or most times changed dramatically when the respondent were given actual scientific data about the stage of development of the unborn child at different ages, and its ability to feel pain.

        That is, like most Dem positions, it very largely depends on ignorance.

        This is why the pro-death cult raises ten kinds of hell every time anyone suggests tying access, or even government payments, to taking an ultrasound test. They know full well that when a woman sees a picture of her baby, sees its fingers and toes, sees that it is developing a recognizable face, it suddenly becomes real to her and she is far less likely to want to kill it. And because the killing is the whole point for these people, they fight like crazy to keep pregnant women (and yes, they ARE women, not “people” as many polls now say) from full disclosure of all the facts before they make what is literally a life or death decision.

        For all the howling about “CHOICE” the fact is, the pro-abprts are really about no real choice, just guessing under pressure.

        I also think it’s creepy that you support morality by consensus.

        And BTW if you ever bother to actually read any of your posts you will see that the approval for any abortion at any old time is vastly more among Dems, who wouldn’t be voting GOP anyway, so your theory that Dodd will shift a lot of voters away from the GOP simply does not hold water. And as I said, even if someone is all wound up and fretful about Dodd, most intelligent people will consider other, more pressing and immediate, concerns when deciding who to vote for—as well as understanding that a vote can’t change the Constitution.

      • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 9:00 pm

        “And BTW if you ever bother to actually read any of your posts you will see that the approval for any abortion at any old time is vastly more among Dems, who wouldn’t be voting GOP anyway, so your theory that Dodd will shift a lot of voters away from the GOP simply does not hold water”

        Polls show that it is Democrats and Independents that support the right of women to chose for themselves. The polls also show that there are more of us than you. The point is to get as many of them out as possible.
        As for what Christ believes, I read the Bible and have for years, especially Christ’s teachings. So what are his main teachings?

        -fight exploitation of the poor
        -forgive the ppl who hurt you
        -oppose the death penalty
        -welcome the stranger
        -turn the other cheek
        -care for the poor
        -care for the sick
        -pay your taxes

        Nothing about abortion.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:02 pm

        For You created my inmost being;
        You knit me together in my mother’s womb.
        I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
        Your works are wonderful,
        I know that full well.
        My frame was not hidden from You
        when I was made in the secret place,
        when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
        Your eyes saw my unformed body;
        all the days ordained for me were written in Your book
        before one of them came to be.
        ………………………..

        In light of the full humanity of the preborn child, we must do nothing to take his life (Exodus 20:13). Furthermore, we should do all in our power to protect his life (Proverbs 24:11; Proverbs 31:8-9). Except in those cases where God has specifically delegated the right to take human life (e.g. capital punishment or defending the innocent), God jealously maintains his sole prerogatives over human life and death (Deuteronomy 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:6). To take that power into our hands is literally to play God.

        Child sacrifice is condemned in Scripture. Only the most degraded societies tolerated this evil, and the worst of these defended and celebrated it as if it were a virtue. Scripture condemns the shedding of innocent blood (Deuteronomy 19:10; Proverbs 6:17; Isaiah 1:15; Jeremiah 22:17). While the killing of all innocent human beings is detestable, the Bible regards the killing of defenseless children as particularly heinous (Leviticus 18:21; 20:1-5; Deuteronomy 12:31). The prophets were outraged that some Jews sacrificed their children. They warned it would surely result in the devastating judgment of God on their society (Jeremiah 7:30-34; Ezekiel 16:20-21, 36-38; 20:31; compare 2 Kings 21:2-6,16 with 2 Kings 24:3-4 and Jeremiah 15:3-4).

        Christians throughout church history have affirmed with a united voice the humanity of the preborn child and the duty to protect him. The second-century Epistle of Barnabas speaks of “killers of the child, who abort the mold of God.” Barnabas treats the unborn child as any other human “neighbor” by saying, “You shall love your neighbor more than your own life. You shall not slay a child by abortion. You shall not kill that which has already been generated” (Epistle of Barnabas 19.5).

        The Didache, a second-century catechism for young converts, states, “Do not murder a child by abortion or kill a new-born infant” (Didache 2.2). Tertullian said, “It does not matter whether you take away a life that is born, or destroy one that is coming to the birth. In both instances, the destruction is murder” (Apology, 9.4). Jerome called abortion “the murder of an unborn child” (Letter to Eustochium, 22.13). Augustine warned against the terrible crime of “the murder of an unborn child” (On Marriage, 1.17.15). Origen, Cyprian, and Chrysostom stood alongside every prominent theologian and church leader in condemning abortion.

        John Calvin said, “The fetus, though enclosed in the womb of its mother, is already a human being and it is a monstrous crime to rob it of the life which it has not yet begun to enjoy. If it seems more horrible to kill a man in his own house than in a field, because a man’s house is his place of most secure refuge, it ought surely to be deemed more atrocious to destroy a fetus in the womb before it has come to light.”

        Christ’s disciples failed to understand how valuable children were to him, when they rebuked those who tried to bring them near him (Luke 18:15-17). Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”

        The biblical view is that children are a blessing and gift from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5).
        ……………………….
        Ecclesiastes 11: 5
        As you do not know the way, the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.

        Or you can generalize with platitudes. Maybe your Scripture for Dummies left out some stuff.

        One of the 10 Commandments given to Israel in Exodus and reiterated to the Church is: “Thou shalt not kill. You shall not commit murder. You shall not slay another person.” Which you amend with “unless you feel like it”.

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:31 pm

        Polls show that it is Democrats and Independents that support the right of women to chose for themselves. The polls also show that there are more of us than you.

        Again, morality by consensus. And the number of states banning or severely limiting abortion contradict your hopefulness.

        OK, so some polls say more people approve of baby-killing than find it despicable. That does not automatically translate into Dem votes, except for the zealots for whom butchering babies is the most important thing in the world.

        Even people who think it’s OK to kill babies still don’t want the ones who managed to make it through pregnancy to be groomed by strangers to become highly sexualized children, to be indoctrinated into deviant sexuality, or taught that the only thing that matters about a human being is skin color. They might not want the heavy hand of government forcing them to take experimental drugs that are also dangerous. They might object to the government manipulating gas prices to force them to buy electric cars they don’t want, can’t afford and which cost far more than they are told. They might not want another term of a drooling, hate-driven spittle-flying senile meat puppet being controlled by people we don’t know.

        And they might even be smart enough to realize that voting won’t give them back the pretense that what they want to do, or have done, or are doing, is not a human rights violation and an atrocity but just taking advantage of a Constitutional right. You would be surprised to realize how many people get this—that the howling and outrage is not because these creatures can’t kill their babies but because letting states vote on abortion means they will have to face the fact of how many people loathe and despise it.

        As usual with the Left, it’s not about reality (they can still kill those babies) but about the optics.

      • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 11:17 pm

        I agree that children should be cherished and taken care of. I would love it if one of our national priorities was to make sure all children are fed and housed, including the children of refugees. What I don’t believe is the an embryo is a child and has more rights than the woman who is is carrying it.

      • jdge1 September 3, 2022 / 5:48 am

        First you blather about having read the bible, suggesting it says nothing about abortion. Then when Amazona proves you absolutely wrong by providing numerous examples, you still have some warped insistence that the unique individual inside the pregnant female is not a human baby. What is it about the leftist mindset that displays such a twisted & damaged mentality.

        ”What I don’t believe is the an embryo is a child and has more rights than the woman who is is carrying it.”

        More rights? How about equal rights. The right of liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I wonder, at what point in the development of the unborn would you state the embryo becomes a child with God given rights? What arbitrary definition would you choose as the beginning of a unique human child with the right to life if not at conception? Why should the gestational female have more rights than the child she carries? That the child is wholly dependent on a single person for its existence until birth? The same child is dependent on someone for its life even after birth. Does that person also have the right to terminate the child? That’s the direction the left is taking this. California has already passed a law purposely written with a loophole in it that allows infanticide, even if some politicians suggest otherwise. At least 2 other states are considering similar legislation. Do you not understand the endgame where this is going?

        That you cannot see elective abortion for the dastardly evil it is, is a very sad indication of what passes for moral intelligence. The religious moral code of conduct which you so quickly dismiss, is the same one that is used to base man’s laws protecting you. But I doubt you see that too.

      • casper3031 September 3, 2022 / 4:55 pm

        “JDGE1
        September 3, 2022 / 5:48 am
        First you blather about having read the bible, suggesting it says nothing about abortion”

        That’s not what I said. I said Christ never said anything about abortion and he didn’t. Pretty much everything Amazona quoted was from the Old Testament. Nothing from Christ’s teaching itself.

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:15 pm

        More bickering, more quibbling, more semantic game playing. So where do you think you are going with this? That the only actions that are sinful are those specifically mentioned by Christ?

        How long did Christ preach? Are you claiming that if no one recorded a statement of His in that short period of time it means he didn’t say it? If it didn’t make it into the New Testament then ipso facto it never existed? That everything he said DID make it into the Bible? Quibble quibble quibble bicker bicker bicker. You people are so tiresome, both in your smugness and your, well, tiresomeness.

        The list of moral sins and crimes He never mentioned is far longer than the few injunctions He did utter that were recorded. If your position is that well, if Christ didn’t say don’t do then it’s OK to do it, that means (to cite one of your earlier clangers) it’s OK to own slaves. In more modern times, go ahead and drive drunk, because Christ was never quoted saying you shouldn’t.

        I guess you find it OK to take it upon yourself to “interpret” what He did say. So “suffer the little children to come unto Me” means only little children old enough to walk over to him?

        What a moron.

        Your inanities show the narrow scope of your intellect, but when you try to explain its foundation that is easier to understand. It’s not just simplistic, it’s simple-minded.

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:40 pm

        •• The word for “babies/children” within pregnant Rebekah’s womb is the same Hebrew word used in 1 Kings 3:26 for the living “baby” [“the living child” – KJV] that was brought before King Solomon.

        •• The Hebrew Scriptures of the Bible did not make a distinction in the humanity of unborn children and that of born children. They used the same word.

        •• The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, never once uses the term “fetus” for the unborn child. It uses the word “baby” or “child.” In discussions of biblical topics, I believe it is very important to use the biblical terminology. Let’s see some more examples.
        Luke 1:41, 44 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb… [44] “As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.”

        •• Elizabeth’s unborn “baby” we later know as John the Baptist. The Greek word for that “baby” in the womb is the same Greek word used for already-born babies, such as:
        • Jesus, the “babe wrapped in swaddling clothes” (Luke 2:12, KJV) and “the baby, who was lying in the manger” (vs. 16, NIV).

        • …and the “babies” (NIV) or ”infants” (KJV) that they brought to Jesus for him to touch and bless (Luke 18:15).

        •• As did the Old Testament Hebrew, the New Testament Greek uses the same word to describe both unborn babies in the womb and already-born babies.

        •• An important linguistic note: Our English word fetus comes from the identically-spelled Latin word fetus. It was a common word in the Latin language of the first century and had meanings like “offspring” and “bringing forth.” In the verses we are looking at (Luke 1:41, 44), the Latin Vulgate translation does not use the phrase fetus in utero, but rather infans in utero. The Bible used the Latin word infans, which means “baby,” for the unborn child in the womb. The yet-to-be-born John the Baptist was called, not a “fetus,” but a “baby in the womb” of his mother.

      • casper3031 September 4, 2022 / 12:26 am

        So where am I going with this? I had two contentions. First that the belief that life begins at conception is a religious belief. Pretty much everything you have responded with proves that. Almost everything is from the old testament, which is fine if we followed all of the old testament, but we seem to skip parts we don’t like, like no pork, shellfish, etc.

        My second contention was the Christ wasn’t against abortion. Since you also haven’t been able to fine a quote refuting that, that is also true.

        My point is that while I respect your beliefs, it isn’t a belief shared by all Americans. I would be 100% against forcing anyone to have an abortion against their will, but I am also against forcing women to give birth against their will.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 1:01 am

        Yeah, but your claim that Christ wasn’t against abortion is, quite obviously, unsupportable. To keep claiming it is to deny facts.

        One is that the New Testament has been translated from the Greek, and as I pointed out, in Greek there was no difference in meaning between baby in utero and breathing baby, no distinction between unborn child and child outside the womb. Therefore it is impossible to assert with any rationality that when Christ talked about children he only meant children who had achieved a certain chronological age.

        One is your bizarre claim that if there is not a written record of Christ Himself saying, specifically, DO NOT KILL CHILDREN IN THE WOMB then that is “proof” He was fine with killing children in the womb.

        One is your repeated claim that ” the belief that life begins at conception is a religious belief.”
        As usual, this comes down to semantics–“life” or “humanity”. Because it is a scientific fact that the unborn child is a human being, with all the DNA it will ever have, with all the components for developing all its various characteristics, at conception. From that moment on it is never anything but a human being.

        The only reason to deny this is to try to justify killing it. So people like you fall back on semantic bickering—OK, so it’s a human being, but I reserve the right to declare when it has “life”. That’s a pretty big authority to assume, but people like you do it. You assign all sorts of arbitrary criteria—when it can feel pain, when it could live outside the womb, when it takes its first breath, etc. But these are all superficial and arbitrary assignments of “life” and when you get right down to it they all depend on what the person WANTS “life” to be.

        So what does this arrogant assumption of the right to decide when “life” really begins have to ignore to cling to this assumption?

        There is the ageism—the artificial assignment of value depending on the age of the subject.
        There is the science—no matter the age, the subject is still undeniably a human being
        There is the conviction, not wholly religious in nature, that all life has inherent value.
        There is the conflict of interest aspect–nowhere else can a life or death decision be made unilaterally by the one person who will benefit by the decision
        There is the property aspect—the acceptance that there is nothing wrong with one human being owning another, and having the power to execute the property if it is inconvenient
        There is the brutality of inflicting agonizing pain and then death on a helpless human being who can feel pain
        There is the psychological and emotional damage done to many women who give in to societal and even family pressures to kill their children and then live with crippling guilt and shame when the harsh reality of what they have done has had time to sink in

        “I am also against forcing women to give birth against their will” This “Forced Birther” script is particularly odious. Aside from Brooke Shields in “Blue Lagoon” I doubt that many women enter into sexual relationships unaware that by doing so they run the risk of pregnancy—especially if they also choose to do nothing to prevent it. This is in a way, entering into a kind of contract: “I understand that my action might have this consequence, and I still choose to do the action” which is an implied acceptance of the consequence. So this “Forced Birther” crap won’t fly. Don’t want to carry a baby to term? Don’t get pregnant. Your choice. But once you get on the ride don’t act like you shouldn’t be expected to stay on till the end. Again—IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.

        But then….THEN…. it’s “waaaa waaaa waaaaa I don’t wanna be a decent human being taking responsibility for my decisions and my actions! I want some authority figure to come in and just make it go away! Nothing matters but me me me me MEEEEEEEE! If I have to kill my own baby to indulge my selfishness, well, tough. Be uncomfortable sometimes, temporarily, to save a human life—THAT I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING—-is just more than I FEEL LIKE doing. So kill it.”

        And Casper is all about supporting this pathological selfishness—because the mob says so. It’s morality by consensus.

      • Rm42 September 4, 2022 / 5:55 am

        You are definitely a liberal: Constantly accuse your opponents of your own actions.

  12. Cluster September 2, 2022 / 3:40 pm

    What the illegitimate POTUS did yesterday; the imagery and content of his national lecture is completely indefensible and anyone who does try and defend it, is unAmerican and has no clue as to why this country was founded and what made this country so great. They no longer deserve this country or our respect. I agree with Spook, last night was a turning point; we are either turning this around and Making America Great Again, or we are turning into war. There’s no other course.

  13. Cluster September 2, 2022 / 3:50 pm

    Democrats don’t really understand a lot, like Amazona said they have trouble connecting two dots but if Biden thought that he could split the MAGA faction with his unhinged screed last night, he has once again made a YUGE mistake. I know many MAGA’s who are now even more supportive of Trump and many who were on the fence are now simply turning away from the “really weird” Democrat party. And let’s face it, they are WEIRD f***ing people. Not normal.

    • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 6:05 pm

      You know what a lot of normal people find abnormal? Demonizing “make America great again.”

      • Amazona September 2, 2022 / 10:48 pm

        Yes, and people are responding to this demonization. Even people who might be Legacy Democrats who just pull the D lever because they always have, without considering the nature of the system they are supporting or paying attention to the toxic sludge of the Agenda Media, know that the anti-MAGA message is crap, is hateful and is false.

        They know too many good, honest, upright people—in their jobs, in their families, in their neighborhoods, in their churches—-to believe any of this hate rhetoric for a moment.

        The underlying message, which is bubbling up to the surface now as it is repeated over and over again, is that it is dangerous to disagree with those in power. And even a lot of Democrats understand this this is the kind of thing we fought a war to keep out of our government and our culture.

  14. Cluster September 2, 2022 / 3:55 pm

    President Joe Biden walked back his attacks on Donald Trump’s MAGA supporters, saying on Friday he doesn’t consider ‘any Trump supporter a threat to the country.’ ‘I don’t consider any Trump supporter a threat to the country,’ the president said at the White House.

    Too late motherf**ker. You’re done

    • Retired Spook September 2, 2022 / 4:08 pm

      No do-over, sorry.

  15. Amazona September 2, 2022 / 11:06 pm

    I’m just going to point out that Casper is doing what he and his ilk always do when they crawl under the tent to taint the blog with their Leftist nonsense. That is, he throws out a snot-nugget, like his claim that Trump was responsible for more debt than anyone, or that voting to repeal a bad law is proof of perjury if the person once agreed that prior to repealing it was still a law, or some other toxic insanity and then when this is destroyed with facts he just does a lateral move to a different fallacy, lie or delusion, without missing a beat. As if he has a right to be here, so can just roll on from one stinkbomb to another.

    I think when a troll makes a deposit in what he obviously thinks is just a litter box and then scoots away from defending it, he loses the ability to be here and come back to do the same thing again, just with a different turd to try to throw in the punchbowl. And when an effort IS made but it is clearly just something he invented or dragged out of some Leftist swamp, ditto.

    I mean, the crap Casper comes up with isn’t even laughable, it is so plain batchit crazy. I know there are people whose minds are murky sewers of roiling malignancy, but that doesn’t mean I want to see examples of it. The other trolls are fairly upfront in their spite and malice, but Casper tries to play the genial doofus, and his pious posturing is increasingly annoying. I think his effort to disguise his malignancy behind a facade of pretend seriousness and sincerity is more obnoxious than being out-and-out vicious.

    • casper3031 September 2, 2022 / 11:33 pm

      Amazona,
      What I’m presenting isn’t crazy. It’s what the millions of other Americans believe. I’m against forcing anyone to have an abortion, just as I am against forcing a woman to give birth to an unwanted child. It might be different if we provided the resources for children to have all a decent chance in life, but we don’t. I also haven’t attacked anyone or called them names. Just presented my view point and that of others.

      And Trump added over two Trillion a year to our national debt, more than any other president. It’s not hard to look up.

      • Retired Spook September 3, 2022 / 10:33 am

        And Trump added over two Trillion a year to our national debt, more than any other president. It’s not hard to look up.

        You’re right — it wasn’t hard to look up. but, as with all statistics, it kind of depends on where and how you look it up and how much built-in confirmation bias you have. For example, Trump was in office for 3/4 of FY 2017, but he had nothing to do with the FY 2017 budget. He proposed the FY2021 budget just before the 2020 election, but was not in office for 3/4 of that fiscal year. Plus Democrats controlled spending for his last two years. And there’s always lag time from one administration to the next, particularly when there’s a change in political party. In 2009 Obama immediately put forth a nearly $trillion dollar stimulus plan that was not in the Bush 2009 FY budget (and then blamed the ensuing deficit in Bush) So you can play with numbers and make them show pretty much whatever you want them to show. For example, if you look at WhiteHouse.gov, (Table 1.1—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-): 1789–2027) federal revenue from all sources for the four fiscal years Trump was in office (2017, 2018, 2019, 2020) was $13.53 trillion. Total federal spending for those four fiscal years was $19.07 trillion, for a budget deficit of $5.54 trillion, NOT 10 TRILLION. And a good chunk of that was for Covid relief and paying people not to work, PLUS a huge hit to revenues from people not working. Even if you add in the off-budget deficits for those four years, you’re still only at a total four-year deficit of $5.77 trillion.

        Oh, and Biden’s deficits for his first two fiscal years total $4.56 trillion including off-budget deficits, so 80% of Trump’s 4-year total deficits in only two years.

        See how easy it is to play that game.

  16. Cluster September 3, 2022 / 9:29 am

    So Bank of America is launching a new program for Black and Hispanic home buyers. No down payment, no closing costs, and no minimum FICO score.

    This should go well. //sarc

    On August 31, 2022, Bank of America announced a special mortgage program only for Blacks and Hispanics. The program packages a set of give aways and waivers including zero down payment, zero closing cost, no credit score, alternative appraisal, no mortgage insurance premiums and low or no title insurance. Asians, Whites, Native Americans and others need not apply.

    • Retired Spook September 3, 2022 / 10:48 am

      Guess they didn’t learn their lesson in 2006, 2007 and 2008.

  17. Retired Spook September 3, 2022 / 1:02 pm

    Greg Gutfeld had a different take on Biden’s speech:

    “They’re trying to goad you into an emotional state for violence. That’s what they actually want. This was the funniest — one of the funniest — this looks like it was put on by South Park. Joe tried — I mean — he’s Darth Vader in depends. They tried to project some kind of darkness on the Republican Party. But it actually projected backwards, right? It looked like a dystopian movie trailer where the dead president is played by a hologram. The whole vibe was hilariously creepy… You gotta laugh at this. Probably one of the funniest presidential moments in history.”

  18. fortyacresbeyond September 3, 2022 / 4:25 pm

    All this hand-wringing about MAGA types being called fascists got me to use the search button at the top of the page to search this blog for the terms “fascism” and “fascist.” It revealed dozens of posts about so-called liberal fascism written here. Just a few examples of what you all consider literal examples of fascism:

    • People complaining that Mark Steyn is not being polite.

    • Members of a Wisconsin union boycotting businesses that won’t put up one of the union’s signs in their windows. (According to Mark, this was a literal “attack” on said businesses.)

    • California legislators passing a bill banning smoking at California state parks and beaches.

    • Potential legislation that would require gun owners to purchase liability insurance.

    Then, of course, there is Mark’s defense of Jonah Goldberg’s best-selling book Liberal Fascism.

    It’s interesting to see how you all react when the shoe is on the other foot.

    • Cluster September 3, 2022 / 4:46 pm

      If you can’t recognize Leftist fascism in your political party, there is no hope for you. At all. The similarities between the 1930’s Nazi party and the current Democrat party are off the charts. The imagery, the dictates, and the desire for one party rule are exactly that of 1930’s Germany. You would have turned Anne Frank in faster than anyone.

      This is who you are. A fucking brown shirt here playing little semantic word games and childish gotcha’s. Your fascist Presidents demonic speech the other night changed the calculus for every American and solidified their hate for everything you stand for. I will say this as politely as I can … FUCK OFF

      • fortyacresbeyond September 3, 2022 / 5:38 pm

        I gave you examples from this very blog, written by you folks, not some so-called liberal trolls. Do the search yourself. Sorry if you think it’s childish gotchas. That said, I do agree that they are childish examples of supposed liberal fascism.

        Joe Biden in his speech: “MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to except the results of a free election. And they are working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies.”

        He’s right. That’s why you’re so upset.

      • Cluster September 3, 2022 / 6:27 pm

        Oh is that it sweetheart? Is that why I’m so upset because a satanic pedophile doesn’t think I measure up to his standards?? I’m not upset fuck face, I’m determined to kill you and your ideology either through the ballot box or the bullet box and it doesn’t matter which one. And there 75 million others who feel exactly the same. You have no idea what your party is in for. There is very likely a civil war headed our way because of that satanic pedophile and people like you will be collateral damage.

      • Cluster September 3, 2022 / 6:47 pm

        I want to make a comment on your attitude too which is repugnant and unfortunately shared by the vast majority Democrats. And that is a false sense of moral superiority, which is an annoying character flaw and common with those who have no belief in a Higher Power. Everything you believe is a lie; climate change, Covid, racism, etc., yet you’re so convinced of your righteousness that you are blind to it. It’s again, right in line with how the people in 1930’s Germany were thinking. They had all the answers. How did that turn out?

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:27 pm

        Oh, you’re so full of it. In what way do these dreaded “MAGA Republicans” flout the rule of law. Pick an area. For example, elections. Did “MAGA Republicans” illegally change election laws in violation of state constitutions or laws, to influence the election in 2020? Did “MAGA Republicans” set up illegal drop boxes and then pay mules to gather and deliver ballots in the middle of the night? Did “MAGA Republicans” prevent the opposition from watching the vote count? Did “MAGA Republicans” accept ballots that arrived after the deadline, and/or without the require signatures, and then count them as valid votes?

        Did “MAGA Republicans” elected to public office then flout the laws of their country and their states and refuse to honor and enforce laws regarding illegal entry into the country? Did “MAGA Republicans” refuse to prosecute people for rioting, arson, and murder? Did “MAGA Republicans” violate laws regarding sentencing and incarceration for serious crimes and release dangerous criminals?

        Did “MAGA Republicans” openly rebel against a duly elected president and his administration and form an actual movement, #RESIST! with the stated intent of sabotaging the government established by the new president? Did “MAGA Republicans” hire foreign agents to create a fraudulent document intended to smear a presidential candidate and then present it to the courts and to the public as true, even to the point of committing perjury?

        And so on. No, it’s the Left that has the attitude that anything goes if it’s in pursuit of Leftist power.

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:30 pm

        They refuse to except (sic) the results of a free election.

        You mean like Hillary still claiming Trump stole the 2020 election from her?
        You mean like #RESIST! ?
        You mean like Stacy Abrams still claiming she is the rightful governor of Georgia?

        No, what chaps your collective donkeys is the effort to prove that 2020 was NOT a “free election” and proofs of that keep mounting up.

        That’s why you’re so upset.

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:33 pm

        And they are working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies.”

        Actually, no. The Left is trying to federalize national elections (which is, by the way, an effort to violate the Constitution) and those mean old “MAGA Republicans” are trying to honor the Constitution and keep national elections in the hands of the states.

        And few things upset the Left more than shifting power from its Central Authority to the states or to the people.

    • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 10:03 pm

      As usual, it’s hard to figure out what the hell you are talking about.

      Are you saying that someone here said that complaining that Mark Steyn is not being polite is a “literal example of fascism”?

      You seem to think that trying to injure a company financially, possibly to the extent of putting it out of business, is not an “attack” on it. That’s not much loonier than most of what you post.

      Someone characterized the California smoking ban as “fascist? Better put that in context, with a complete quotation.

      Using the power of the State to force people to enter into contracts with businesses does seem pretty close to a fascist intersection of politics and business.

      Have you read the Goldberg book? I didn’t think so. Read it and look at how thoroughly it is researched, footnoted and backed up and then come back here and tell us why you object to someone liking it.

      I’d say it is interesting to see how you react when a beloved belief is challenged, but it really isn’t. It’s just boring.

      But since you searched the blog for references to, specifically, LIBERAL fascism (which is a redundancy) did your search skip over my post on plain old fascism? The post where I quoted Mussolini’s own description of fascism, from his treatise “Doctrine of Fascism”? Instead of nit picking and quibbling and, yes, bickering, over the linking of the words “liberal” and “fascist” you might just veer over into a different lane and try to actually learn something before you mouth off.

      And by the way, it’s “Liberal”, with a capital L, when talking about Leftists, as political Liberalism is the antithesis of actual liberalism.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 3, 2022 / 10:39 pm

        I thought I was clear that I used the search function on this blog to search the articles on this blog (it doesn’t search comments) and brought up examples from this blog complaining about “liberal fascism.” And I found lots of articles complaining about liberal fascism, including one titled “California Stops Short of Complete Liberal Fascism!”, about then Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoing a “fascist measure” (according to Mark) that “would have banned smoking at all California state parks and beaches.” I’m not sure how I was not clear before.

        But speaking of Jonah Goldberg’s book, with its thorough research and footnotes, here is Goldberg’s own definition of fascism:

        “My view is that generic fascism asserts itself as passion, not reason. Fascism is a highly concentrated and toxic form of populism that manifests itself as the politics of mobs, not manifestos. The ideological constructs used to defend and proselytize fascist ideologies were instrumental, not elemental, to the cause. Whether it was Hitler’s Führerprinzip or Mussolini’s Nietzschean pragmatism, even fascist intellectuals ultimately conceded that ideas were at best secondary considerations, mere marketing to give the naked pursuit of power more credibility and legitimacy.”

        That definition fits MAGA-types to a T. (And if you think civilians boycotting a business is fascism, then you obviously don’t know what fascism is.)

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 11:25 pm

        First of all, you cherry-picked Goldberg’s book for what he admits is his OPINION–the book itself goes through the history and ideology of fascism in great detail. The only thing that could possibly link even this opinion to the Right is his use of the word “populism”, which is another innocent word demonized by the Left.

        You claim that ” ideas were at best secondary considerations, mere marketing to give the naked pursuit of power more credibility and legitimacy” somehow “fits MAGA-types to a T.”

        Yet it is today’s Left in which ideas are “at best secondary considerations” when they are stated at all, in a movement wholly dependent on emotional manipulation and “the politics of mobs, not manifestos.” And it is the Left showing its “naked pursuit of power. ” Remember, we are not depending on people like you to tell us what is happening—we are seeing it with our own eyes, in real time. We are seeing the New America and its own Stasi, its politized and militarized storm troopers, most recently in a heavily armed quasi-military raid on a private residence on the most feeble of pretenses, after a sitting president took the previously unimaginable step of retroactively negating the presidential privilege of his predecessor and anticipated future opponent.

        There are few more glaring examples of a naked pursuit of power than this–not even co-opting a branch of government to try to control the next election by eliminating a powerful opponent, even before following this up with the raid.

        You can keep claiming up is down, in is out, but you are up against reality here and you don’t stand a chance.

        Even when one of you pretends to be explaining a philosophy (“manifesto) the effort is remarkably free of ideology and wholly based on the perceptions created and disseminated by the mob.

        The adoption of the acronym “MAGA” to use in a scornful and manipulative manner is part of this. MAGA simply means Make America Great Again—and don’t think it has escaped notice that there is something profoundly sinister in trying to make this sentiment divisive. But, going with it, since its inception there has been one—ONE—event in which it could be associated with the word “mob”. After dozens of rallies attended by hundreds of thousands of people, these crowds have never exhibited any of the characteristics of a mob—until one day, and that was a freakish event.

        The Left, however, is mob-based, mob-oriented and mob-centric in its collectivism. We have two years of Leftist mobs shaping Leftist policies and thought. It is the Right that has rejected, except for that single incident, the whole mob mentality

      • Amazona September 3, 2022 / 11:47 pm

        (And if you think civilians boycotting a business is fascism, then you obviously don’t know what fascism is.)

        Actually, very few know what fascism really is, especially after it became a catch-phase of the Left in its ongoing and increasingly frantic effort to demonize all that NOT the Left. Don’t blame the Right for this. Sure, some conservatives have used the word incorrectly, but the main weight of this falls on the Left and its incessant screeching of the word.

        But this is what the Left does—bastardizes a word till it has almost no real meaning left. For example, it had a perfectly good word—Socialism. It was a precise label for a specific political model. But when it became toxic, as the ugly realities of Socialism started to be more apparent to more people, the Left needed a new, friendly and upbeat word, and it hijacked “liberal”. After all, who doesn’t want to be liberal? But the problem is, the slapped onto an inherently illiberal movement, the antithesis of liberalism. The tried to graft a word meaning open, tolerant, accepting, onto a movement that is rigid and extremely intolerant.

        So after a while they needed another word, and latched onto “Progressive”. That’s an even worse fit than “liberal” as they try to attach it to a movement that is totally REgressive, still trying to force its always-failed ideology on the world. They took “populist”, which has been a perfectly fine word describing, in one definition, a political belief of people who do not feel the existing political environment is responsive to their needs. In another use it describes the “common man” as opposed to political elites who exert power without concern for them. There is nothing inherently sinister or wrong with “populist”—or wasn’t, until the Left, seeing the danger in the possibility of large numbers of people rejecting how they have used their power, needed to create a whole new meaning of the word. They never defined it, just used it as a vaguely dangerous-sounding pejorative.

        Now it’s “MAGA”. It’s an ongoing semantic war fought by the Left, which has to use words and the emotional reaction they can generate by the use of words, to substitute for real ideas. Oh, the Left HAS ideas, all right—they just know better than to come right out and talk about them. Every time a true Leftist idea or goal is openly admitted, more and more people back away, knowing that these ideas and goals always end badly.

        So it’s always the smoke and mirrors, the illusions and the delusions, and always the distractions from the ugly reality.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 3, 2022 / 10:58 pm

        More from Goldberg:

        “Like so much that defined the Trump years, January 6 represented the abandonment of the dogma that I believe immunized conservatism from the fascist temptation and rendered glib accusations of fascism at small-government conservatives so idiotic and slanderous. I believed that conservatism was too committed to the Constitution, to classical liberalism, to the rule of law, to tolerate the use of extralegal violence and mob intimidation. I still believe that those dogmas are a bulwark against fascism, or a tyranny that goes by any other name. What I no longer have faith in is the right’s commitment to those dogmas.”

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 12:02 am

        “More from Goldberg”—-but not from that book.

        Jonah Goldberg looked, for a while, like a talented voice who could articulate the fatal flaws of Leftism. But then he fell prey to a serious case of TDS and has never recovered.

        Even so, let’s look at a de-Trumped version of your quotation:

        (There was a) dogma that I believe immunized conservatism from the fascist temptation and rendered glib accusations of fascism at small-government conservatives so idiotic and slanderous. I believed that conservatism was too committed to the Constitution, to classical liberalism, to the rule of law, to tolerate the use of extralegal violence and mob intimidation. I still believe that those dogmas are a bulwark against fascism, or a tyranny that goes by any other name.

        I completely agree. I just mourn the loss of this intellect to the insidious infection of Identity Politics writ large—that is to claim that the “Trump years” somehow represent the “abandonment” of that dogma. How do YOU feel about the statement without its Trump association? Do you agree with it, or did you just like it because it implicated Trump in something negative? Did you even read it carefully enough to see in it its explanation of and defense of the Right? Or was the anti-Trump sentiment all that mattered to you?

        Like all hysteria about Trump, there is nothing concrete to point to, to support such a claim of “abandonment” of these principles. It’s all emotion. I’ve read a lot of post-Trump Goldberg, trying to figure out what specifically, pushed him over the edge. I had so much respect for him I thought there must have been a defining moment, a specific act, that flipped him into his 180. But I have never been able to find anything other than simple but bone-deep personal dislike. Just like you guys. And the same awareness, deep down, that this is a sign of superficiality and shallowness, which is why there is the desperate need to find something real on which to base it.

        And the sense that if he, like you, can convince enough people that this is not just the petty brain fart of an unserious person dominated by a really unpleasant aspect of his personhood then maybe he/you won’t have this nagging feeling that he’s/you’ve given in to an embarrassing character defect.

        Because that’s how you guys all come across—so evangelical in your hate it looks like you have a lot riding on somehow converting others.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 12:27 am

        There is a timeline of MAGA.

        It started with a growing sense of frustration, as our political system seemed to offer no off-ramp from the Same Old Same Old of broken promises, senseless wars, economic seesaws and erosion of love of our country.

        As this sense of dissatisfaction grew, it started to take on a shape—that of “populism”, or a slightly more defined sense that it was imperative that we find a leader who not only understood our concerns but appeared to be committed to addressing them. That is, someone who truly loves this nation and grieves over its decline, someone who can identify problems and try to solve them and someone outside the churning orbit of incestuous politics.

        Trump did not create MAGA. The urgent need to restore this nation to its former greatness was a factor in our creation of Politician Trump. We said “this is what we want” and he said “I’ll do my best for you”. But the impetus was not from Trump to us—-it was from us to Trump. We identified a yawning void in leadership and he recognized it and stepped up to try to fill it. And the shortened version of our goals became MAGA. OUR GOALS. What is important to US.

        I don’t know if the Left and its babbling acolytes truly do just get this backwards, or if restating it backwards is just more Leftist strategy, but what you people don’t understand is that we know you have it reversed. And we also know that this clumsy effort to demonize the acronym that is shorthand for what matters to us is very likely to rebound right back in your smug hateful faces.

        We gave him a chance, and he gave us his effort to honor his commitment to us. We saw that and we respected him for it. We all knew he was, as a person, flawed—as we all are. We knew his flaws, because they had been on front pages for so long, appeared greater than those of most, but they were not flaws that interfered with his efforts to honor his word to us.

        And as we watch the efforts of the cabal of State. Media and Social Media trying to bring him down something he said becomes more and more clear and relevant to us. He said: “They’re not after me. They’re after you, and I’m just in the way”.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 4, 2022 / 12:07 am

        “First of all, you cherry-picked Goldberg’s book for what he admits is his OPINION–the book itself goes through the history and ideology of fascism in great detail.”

        It’s not from his book. He wrote it on Jan. 5, 2022. He also wrote:

        “But there’s one important claim [in his book] that has been rendered utterly wrong. I argued that, contrary to generations of left-wing fearmongering and slander about the right’s fascist tendencies, the modern American right was simply immune to the fascist temptation chiefly because it was too dogmatically committed to the Founders, to constitutionalism, and to classical liberalism generally. Almost 13 years to the day after publication, Donald Trump proved me wrong.”

        What we see today with MAGA-types is the pursuit of power by any means. And in recent weeks you all, including Mark, have admitted it right here on this blog. You all have said that you don’t care about laws and things like that, so long as you achieve power; that violence, if necessary, is an acceptable way to do so. And we have seen that put into action by your cohorts. If that’s not a “naked pursuit of power,” then I don’t know what is. So your lectures about liberal fascism fall flat because of your own actions and words.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 1:28 am

        Maybe if you were a better communicator: What you said:

        But speaking of Jonah Goldberg’s book, with its thorough research and footnotes, here is Goldberg’s own definition of fascism:

        “My view is that generic fascism asserts itself as passion, not reason. Fascism is a highly concentrated and toxic form of populism that manifests itself as the politics of mobs, not manifestos. The ideological constructs used to defend and proselytize fascist ideologies were instrumental, not elemental, to the cause. Whether it was Hitler’s Führerprinzip or Mussolini’s Nietzschean pragmatism, even fascist intellectuals ultimately conceded that ideas were at best secondary considerations, mere marketing to give the naked pursuit of power more credibility and legitimacy.”

        Gee, what an assumption to think you were quoting from the book! And what you claim is something he “also wrote:” is almost identically what he said in the first place.

        You assert “You all have said that you don’t care about laws and things like that, so long as you achieve power” You’d better do that amazing digging through archive thing again and come up with specific quotations, in context, to support that.

        ” that violence, if necessary, is an acceptable way to do so.” To achieve power, that is. Who said that? Keep in mind, I don’t want to know who said anything about violence, but who said violence is an acceptable way to gain power?

        And HOW MANY PEOPLE SAID THAT? Oh, I see—you think you can see the emotional outburst of one man and claim it represents an entire otherwise peaceful movement of millions by inventing “cohorts” who allegedly “put this into action”. What “action”?

        Name an act of violence from the Right, and then prove it was in the pursuit of power. From anger, possibly, if you find any. From frustration, maybe. From getting caught up in the violent emotion cloud of a mob, like on January 6, definitely. But in a naked pursuit of power? No. Not even close. Not even in the fever swamp of a severely damaged mind.

        ONE PERSON on this blog has expressed strong anti-Leftist emotions that sometimes veer into violence rhetoric. A couple have said that if attacked by the Left in a concentrated effort to take over the country they would fight back. That’s three people, max, two specific about self defense. None even hinting at linking this potential possible but highly unlikely violence to an effort to gain power.

        And you’ve picked a rabid anti-Trumper as your “expert”, I guess, on Trump, even though when he’s not whining in generalities about Orange Man Bad he’s brutally dissecting the movement your overheated posts enable—even if you can’t define or defend it. It’s like your spiral into insanity is so well lubricated you just keep gaining velocity.

        I am starting to agree with Spook on the strategy of continuing to give you people more rope until you firmly hang yourself on the depth and elaborateness of your lies and delusions. You see, over here in Realityville we have a general idea of the insanity that defines a lot of Lefties, but we tend to think it’s pretty much confined to the likes of Scarborough and Maddow. Reading the truly astounding ways you have twisted facts and distorted reality to force it into what is really just the template of your own personality disorder is, I suppose, enlightening but also downright creepy.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 1:57 am

        8 steps toward fascism

        1. Construct an internal enemy, as both focus and diversion.
        I have, for years, referenced the Invented Other of a mythical “right wing” used to inflate hostility on the Left.
        2. Isolate and demonize that enemy by unleashing and protecting the utterance of overt and coded name-calling and verbal abuse. Employ ad hominem attacks as legitimate charges against that enemy.

        This has escalated with the effort to make the acronym “MAGA
        a pejorative.
        3. Enlist and create sources and distributors of information who are willing to reinforce the demonizing process because it is profitable, because it grants power and because it works.
        As we see in our Agenda Media and most of the entertainment medium.
        4. Palisade all art forms; monitor, discredit or expel those that challenge or destabilize processes of demonization and deification.
        5. Subvert and malign all representatives of and sympathizers with this constructed enemy.
        As see now, as the attack machine has escalated from attacking Donald Trump to attacking his supporters
        6. Solicit, from among the enemy, collaborators who agree with and can sanitize the dispossession process..
        7. Criminalize the enemy. Then prepare, budget for and rationalize the building of holding arenas for the enemy — especially its males and absolutely its children.
        We have actually seen speeches from politicians advocating for forced “reeducation centers” We see the House of Representatives trying to criminalize free speech. Now they are claiming Trump broke laws.
        8. Reward mindlessness and apathy with monumentalized entertainments and with little pleasures, tiny seductions, a few minutes on television, a few lines in the press, a little pseudo-success, the illusion of power and influence, a little fun, a little style, a little consequence.
        .

        In spite of frantic efforts to claim this list identifies GOP or "right-wing" and now "MAGA" efforts, we can clearly see the sequence of actions taken by the Democrat Party against conservatives.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 1:30 am

        BTW, do you realize that the term “you all” actually means the same thing as “all of you”? Because you toss it around as casually, and as inaccurately, as the rest of your strange and bizarre convictions.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 4, 2022 / 1:16 am

        “Jonah Goldberg looked, for a while, like a talented voice who could articulate the fatal flaws of Leftism. But then he fell prey to a serious case of TDS and has never recovered.”

        So predictable. First you claimed that Goldberg was an expert on fascism. According to you, his book “goes through the history and ideology of fascism in great detail. The only thing that could possibly link even this opinion to the Right is his use of the word ‘populism’, which is another innocent word demonized by the Left.” You claimed his book is thoroughly researched, footnoted and backed up, to the point that no one could not like it.

        Then you realize that Jonah Goldberg, the expert on fascism who has studied its history in great detail, sees the current MAGA movement as a fascist one and you change your tune. Now Goldberg’s just fallen prey to “a serious case of TDS and has never recovered.” Consistency isn’t your strong suit.

        But you are correct that Trump didn’t start MAGA. It started when Barack Obama had the temerity to get elected. But it doesn’t matter how it started. The question is what to do about it.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 2:06 am

        Your efforts to totally misstate what I say is getting downright pathological.

        Goldberg’s book was a scholarly and accurate assessment of fascism. True. That does not mean he, as a person, is immune to the dangers of letting blind emotion override everything else.

        While he now hates Trump with an overriding passion and has decided to hurl the word “fascist” at him, in no way has Trump followed the path of fascism. And even Goldberg can’t come up with any examples. He’s fallen off the cliff, lost his respectability, and proof of that is that people like you now quote him.

        You snarl that MAGA ” started when Barack Obama had the temerity to get elected.” What the hell does that mean? Oh, I know that the Obama disdain for this country, his scorn for it, his Apology Tours around the world and his denial of our greatness, probably did start an emotional and even philosophical countermovement of wanting a president who actually likes and respects the United States. But “temerity”? Wow, you guys can never find enough nasty to make you happy. You just have to keep mining the depths to find more. What an ugly and distorted view of life you have, and it oozes out of you like opening a mental abscess

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 2:35 am

        Actually, it was Goldberg’s book that helped me form my understanding of politics from structural perspective, thinking about the difference between an individualist base of government and the collective model. Thinking about a governmental model of limited central power with most authority left to the states or to the people, vs a massively powerful Central Authority with very little power outside the government, as we see with fascism.

        I paid attention to Trump while he was president, not to the talking head haters. So I was impressed when he started to dismantle the illegitimate shadow government of the Bureaucratic State and said to Congress (repeatedly) “do your job”. While the hysterical Left and its meat puppets were howling in outrage that he was a “dictator” because of his Executive Orders, I was aware that most of them were merely recissions of prior presidential overreach in using EOs to accomplish what Congress would not approve—that is, pushing back toward a more Constitutional way to run the country.

        The fact is, he was the most Constitutional president we have had since Reagan. He promoted state sovereignty over centralized power. He was a strong advocate for national sovereignty which he expressed, in part, in his support for strong borders. He supported immigration but insisted it be legal (that is, following the law). He sought and then followed legal opinions on the scope of executive powers.

        I know a lot of conservatives, and I communicate online with many more. I read a LOT of conservative opinion pieces and articles and editorials. And I have never encountered anyone, in person or online or at a distance such as an author, who has ever advocated a single policy or idea or political philosophy that I consider anywhere close to fascism. That’s why, when I read swill like forty’s spewings, I know they do not come from the real world, but from a toxic combination of Leftist propaganda and a negative and hateful mind that is receptive to that kind of messaging. You can’t be an individualist who believes in restricted government powers, and state sovereignty with more authority left to the people and be a fascist, any more than you can eat meat every day and be a vegetarian.

      • fortyacresbeyond September 4, 2022 / 2:07 am

        “Name an act of violence from the Right, and then prove it was in the pursuit of power.”

        Are you kidding me?

        January 6, 2021.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 2:41 am

        You sure walked right into that one.

        What was the “power” the few violent participants were seeking? None of them ever expressed, on that day or any other day, a desire to overthrow the government and assume its powers. So what, exactly, was the “power” you think was the goal?

        You only answered half of my challenge. Which. really, is all you CAN do, because even in the midst of all the confusion and anger I never saw or heard of any Trump supporter seeking power. The power to get through a door, perhaps, or even to hit someone, but I think we need to agree we have to talk about POLITICAL power, not just some fleeting riot violence.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 2:54 am

        More than 12,000,000 people voted for Trump. A handful of people from that number were actually violent on January 6, and even that violence fell short of a bar fight. For all of the hyper-inflated numbers of arrests, nearly all were found guilty of heinous crimes like trespassing, or my favorite, “parading”. “Hey, fellow MAGAs, let’s all go parade in naked pursuit of power”.

        From this handful of somewhat violent people people like you extrapolate to “THE RIGHT” and “MAGA”. From twelve to twelve million—easy for a delusionist. And then, when you have done this, you invent a whole political identity that is antithetical to what they believe and what they stand for.

        And this hateful, delusional and fictional pseudo-reality you have created and chosen to inhabit is what forms the foundation for you coming here and expounding on the many layers and variations of your insanity.

      • Retired Spook September 4, 2022 / 9:41 am

        More than 12,000,000 people voted for Trump.

        Do you mean 12,000,000 more people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016?

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 10:45 am

        No, I mean I was juggling a different project with numbers, and phone calls, and a keyboard cat trying to help me post, and had a major brain fart and moved other numbers into my post and then didn’t correct it. But the facts are even worse. 74,000,000 + voted for Trump, a dozen or so were violent on January 6 (and as I said, in violence less than the average bar fight) and the rabid Left has no problem demonizing 74 million people on the basis of a few.

        Thanks for keeping me on track.

        But in a way I was right—-it WAS “more than 12,000,000”. A lot more. I have no idea where that number came from, or why it got stuck in my head. Gremlins, I guess.

  19. Retired Spook September 4, 2022 / 9:38 am

    I wasn’t sure where in the dialogue to insert this, so I’ll just stick it at the end.

    Claiming that the MAGA movement is fascist in nature would be like Hitler and his cronies claiming in the 1930s that a resistance movement against Nazism was fascist.

    • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 10:50 am

      When you have people so stirred up through the constant use of hate rhetoric they are used to acting and reacting on pure emotion, they have such strong emotions they need big strong words to express them. So they go for the biggest, strongest, most powerful words they can find, regardless of the actual definitions of those words. They aren’t interested in accuracy, just in the emotive value of words like “insurrection” and “fascist”.

    • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 11:16 am

      When you have a movement consisting almost exclusively of people who don’t know what their own movement represents, what its ideology is, what its history is, or even what its true agenda is, for those people to be equally ignorant of the actual definitions of the words they use is quite consistent.

      It’s pretty amazing to realize that there is a movement of millions of people which is, at their level, almost entirely fact-free.

      As I said in an earlier post, lately I have been running across people who seem eager to talk about what is going on, who drop little hints as if to test the waters to see where I stand before they open up. It happened again the other day when I stopped in a local office to make arrangements to have a propane tank replaced. And as these conversations develop, as they always do, I am always aware of the fact that these people, not political junkies or activists or any such thing but just ordinary people out there living their lives, know and understand the underlying ideology of the conservative movement. Even when they are upset, even when they are really angry, they are well grounded and wholly motivated not by that anger but by their commitment to a specific model of government they understand, can explain and can defend.

      Yet on the other end of the political spectrum, even people who go to the trouble of seeking out sites like this, who are ardent regurgitators of the narratives of their chosen team, can never actually discuss its ideology. They don’t know enough to do this, but what’s worse is that they don’t care. That’s not why they are trying to pick fights. They are not ideologues in the sense of being truly committed to an ideology, and they are not political evangelicals in the sense that when they come to your door with their spiels they want to convert you to their way of thinking—they just want to batter you into submission. And there is a difference.

      • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 12:05 pm

        they just want to batter you into submission.

        After I wrote this, I thought about its deeper implication. That is, that the Left–which is an inherently authoritarian political model—seems to attract bullies for whom the imposition of behaviors and beliefs, by any means, is acceptable and even desirable.

        People who want to convert you present the advantages and benefits of their preferred product, whether it is a religion or a new synthetic motor oil or a political movement. They explain why it works better, why it is a surer path to salvation or better for your engine or a better way to govern a nation.

        We don’t get that from the Leftists who are in the media, or who come to sites like this and to comments sections of newspapers. We never get arguments about why their side is better, aside from the occasional fatuous blather like Casper’s giddy belief that without Trump everything would be sooooo much nicer. How?
        It just would be. Why? Just because it would not be Trump. Because that’s not why they are doing what they are doing.

        They have, as I have commented, trivialized the very serious business of politics—which is really the decision about the best way to run a country—and turned it into a cage match, where they pick a side and then try to hammer the opposing side into bloody pulp. It’s not to advance an actual political ideology, it’s just the glee they get from the hammering.

        Several years ago I ran into a guy I used to know, who had become a commercial airline pilot. We had never discussed politics so it’s not as if we picked up where we had left off. This was in the George W days, and my Lib brother did what Libs always seem to do and found a way to insert some hateful comment even where it wasn’t a natural part of the conversation, and the pilot guy said that he had to be careful about talking politics because if he was in cockpit with a Lib it could get ugly.

        I agreed and said that all “political” conversations with Libs followed the same path. I said to him “ask me a serious political question” and he did, and I bellowed at the top of my lungs (we were standing in a field) GEORGE BUSH IS AN ASSHOLE! He laughed and caught on right away so when I asked him something serious, such as how he felt about a proposed tax hike or something, he bellowed the same “response”.. We stood there yelling at each other, taking turns being the serious conservative and the Liberal, with the same GBIAA “response” to every serious and relevant question, having a great time illustrating what passes for political discourse on the Left, till my brother started to get really mad at our way-too-accurate portrayal of how the Left can never really talk about real politics, just hurl invective.

        It’s what we see here. A calm and respectful analysis of the superior nature of centralized government authority over state sovereignty? No way. It’s just ceaseless screeching about how awful Trump is and how awful almost 75 million Americans are and so on, and rage that we don’t agree with them.

      • Retired Spook September 4, 2022 / 12:21 pm

        they are not political evangelicals in the sense that when they come to your door with their spiels they want to convert you to their way of thinking—they just want to batter you into submission. And there is a difference.

        There is a HUGE difference, and I think millions of Americans who aren’t political junkies like us are starting to catch on. We’ll know how many in 67 days.

  20. Cluster September 4, 2022 / 9:41 am

    January 6 was an FBI/Antifa led operation.

    What this guy said

  21. Cluster September 4, 2022 / 9:59 am

    • Amazona September 4, 2022 / 10:55 am

      Did you catch that comment about the good guys in BLM out there risking their lives for the cause?

      If I’d been drinking coffee when I read that I’d need a new keyboard.

      • Cluster September 4, 2022 / 11:13 am

        Lol it’s beyond parody

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