Open Thread

There is a meme out there – and you may have seen it – which basically says, “how can a generation raised on Family Guy get so easily offended?”. The underlying assumption is that Family Guy is avant-garde. Speaking Truth to Power. Taking on the Ruling Class. So, why can’t these people take a joke?

The answer is simple: shows like Family Guy (and The Simpsons and even South Park) are not avant-garde. They don’t speak Truth to Power. They are yet more Ruling Class propaganda. They wouldn’t be allowed on the air if they weren’t. You think the bosses would really pay someone to make fun of them? Ain’t gonna happen – at least, not very often and when it does it is usually by mistake. You know: something like Fritz the Cat. That really did poke fun at 60’s radicalism..and it was granted an X rating for that (don’t try to sell me that sex scenes between cartoon characters caused the X rating).

I admit to never having seen a full episode of Family Guy though from time to time I do see clips of it posted here and there on line. Some of them are really funny but most are pretty conventional modern comedy (ie, vulgarity). But one clip I saw recently illustrates my point about the show being Ruling Class propaganda. In the clip, two of the characters have some sort of device which allows them to transit between parallel universes and one of the universes was predicated upon Christianity never existing – and so everyone is going around in their flying cars and other advanced tech…because you see, without Christianity to impose the Dark Ages, we’d be far more advanced. Yuk, yuk, yuk! There are two things to draw out of this – first off, the religion they insult is Christianity and that is, of course, the only religion the Ruling Class allows to be insulted. Secondly, the Ruling Class lie that religion is opposed to science. How would any person watching such a show develop the healthy skepticism necessary to step outside the approved Narrative? No chance of it – regular consumers of such fare will, of course, be able to parrot “Christians hate science” at the drop of a hat…but there is no possibility that such a person, confronted with, say, “men can get pregnant” would be able to refuse the lie.

A couple years back I got into a little Twitter tiff with John Cleese of Monty Python fame – my point to him was that for all the hilarity of the humor, it only made fun of the defenseless – and often, the dead. You can, after all, poke whatever fun you want at Victorians because they’re all dead and can’t punch you in the nose over it. Never once did Monty Python, or any pop culture fare over the past half century or more, poke fun at whatever was fashionable among the elite (some people bring up the skit in Life of Brian where Cleese’s character makes fun of the desire of a man to be a woman – but that was long before Trans became fashionable. Just see if anyone tries something like that on SNL or some other show in 2022).

What we’ve got is a mountain of propaganda to pierce. And it is everywhere – and very clever of the Ruling Class to simply buy the jesters and make them into mouthpieces.

So, they dredged up another accusation against Walker – anonymous denunciation about an alleged abortion 30 years ago. They really have shot their bolt, haven’t they?

And it does look like a Red Tsunami is developing. The cope among Liberal Election analysts is reaching epic proportions as they try to sift out any data point which would indicate Democrats are doing well. But, sorry: it don’t fly. The Democrats are spending money to defend their Washington Senate seat. Murray got nearly 59% of the vote back in 2016 and here in 2022 Democrats are pouring money into it. They have to. It seems that even for Washington and Oregon, there’s a limit to how much Antifa people can take. The head of the DCCC is also getting money from his own organization as his GOP challenger threatens an upset. Democrats are triaging districts all around the country…in one case moving money from a D+9 district to a D+13 district. Think about that – a D+9 district has been written off two weeks before election day and they’re trying to salvage D+13!

This is all indicative of what I’ve been expecting all year – a fairly uniform swing of 10 points to the GOP. It might be more, but I think that is reasonable. And I don’t think anything has really changed since about March…polling has just been noise and propaganda designed to get money or get money moved around.

But, Mark, what if you’re wrong?

Hey, of course I could be – if I am, then I am. But I think I’m on the right track here.

39 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook October 27, 2022 / 11:37 am

    The answer is simple: shows like Family Guy (and The Simpsons and even South Park) are not avant-garde. They don’t speak Truth to Power. They are yet more Ruling Class propaganda. They wouldn’t be allowed on the air if they weren’t.

    The latest push is injecting gratuitous homosexual relationships in TV dramas. My wife and I like shows like Blue Bloods, NCIS (3 shows), FBI (3 shows) 911, etc., and about half of the dramas we watch have open homosexual relationships in which they (2 women or 2 men) are shown ripping each other’s clothes off. I have a gay niece and a trans grandson, and I like to think I’m pretty open minded, but I don’t like it shoved in my face. The real problem is that it NEVER stops. Once the public has become desensitized to graphic homosexual relationships, the Left will move the goal posts. I’m not much into making predictions, but, if I’m still alive in 10 years I won’t be surprised to see mainstream television shows advocating for pedophiles. And imagine all the fun TV medical dramas could have with sex change surgeries.

    • Cluster October 27, 2022 / 12:39 pm

      I’ve had several people mention this to me when discussing culture. It’s not going unnoticed. The political agenda and the effort to “fundamentally change” the culture is in all of media; tv shows, commercials, movies, etc. but I suspect that will change gradually as the Democrat agenda continues to implode over the next couple years. Like you said, their over reach this time is off the charts.

    • Amazona October 27, 2022 / 1:17 pm

      The proportion of homosexual relationships on TV is far greater than the percentage of the population that is gay.

      Similarly, the proportion of black people is far greater on TV, especially in commercials and especially showing mixed-race relationships and children, than the reality of the percentage of those demographics in the real world.

      The homosexuality is often, if not always, gratuitous, not necessary to the plot or advancing the story line. It is blatant pandering. And you are right about the goal posts being moved as we get desensitized to this. We are watching them turn up the heat under the pot knowing that many froggies will be boiled before this is over.

      As for sex change surgeries, you know what we won’t see? Dramas about the tragedies of young women watching their sisters and friends date men, getting married, having children, and having to live with ugly maimed bodies with no breasts and permanently damaged reproductive organs, because Mommy thought it would make her look like a really cool mom if she had a trans daughter.

  2. casper3031 October 27, 2022 / 12:45 pm

    You could be right about a red wave, but I’m thinking it’s still looking pretty good for the Democrats, The media is hyping any poll that shows Republicans doing well and ignoring any showing the opposite. Regardless, we will know in a couple of weeks.

    • Amazona October 27, 2022 / 1:09 pm

      The media is (sic) hyping any poll that shows Republicans doing well because we all know how right-leaning the media are and how they manipulate news to benefit conservatives. //sarc off

      But you almost have to admire the depth of commitment of casper and his ilk, as they so seriously assure each other that what they see isn’t really what is there, and what is said is really not what is real. I can just imagine him stuffing his pudgy little fingers in his ears and chanting “lalalalalalala” to drown out the sounds of Constitutionalists rising up to defeat his beloved despotic regime.

    • Cluster October 27, 2022 / 2:43 pm

      Cap, when you have a conservative, family first Republicans in serious contention for the Governors of MI, OR, and NY, which has never happened in our lifetimes, something is happening. When you have a large portion of the Hispanic population turning red, something is happening. And what is happening, is that normal everyday hard working Americans have finally realized that the Democrat/Ruling Class agenda of trans rights, open borders, soft on crime, green energy, and endless foreign wars just doesn’t serve them well anymore.

      This is the cultural shift that conservatives have been waiting for for a long time

      • casper3031 October 27, 2022 / 4:56 pm

        Cluster, what it will ultimately come down to is turn out. There are more people on our side, but your side does a better job of turning out.

      • Amazona October 27, 2022 / 9:32 pm

        casper, why are you a Democrat?

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 2:10 pm

        No answer. Maybe make it multiple choice?

        1, I don’t know
        2. Because I think consolidating power in the hands of a few is really good idea
        3. Because it automatically makes me morally superior
        4. Because that old constitution thing is so so outdated. I think the federal government ought to be able to do anything it wants to do
        5. Because a powerful Central Authority just makes things so much simpler and I really like simple
        6. Because I would chew my arm off rather than be a Republican
        7. Because all the cool kids are Democrats and I need someone to have lunch with

      • Cluster October 28, 2022 / 7:15 pm

        What a summation lmao

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 8:48 pm

        Yeah, and he still can’t answer

      • Retired Spook October 27, 2022 / 5:03 pm

        That’s because our side cares more about the direction of the country than your side does.

      • casper3031 October 28, 2022 / 10:22 pm


        “Killing kids is wrong, Casper. And, I mean it – on the list of things not to do, it is right there at the tippy top.”

        I agree. I am 100% against killing kids, which is why I would like to see restrictions on who can buy the guns that are being used to kill kids throughout the country.
        That said, embryos are not kids. If they were, people would be freaking out over embryos at fertility clinics throwing away old embryos.

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 11:50 pm

        You insist on beclowning yourself over and over, don’t you? You should know by now that falling back on tired old cliches and following up on your “backalley abortion” cliche and your “it’s not really a child” cliche with your effort to shift the discourse to gun control.

        Again, you’ve been reading this blog long enough to know that we have no patience or tolerance for the shabby Leftist trick of trying to shift the discourse to a different topic when backed into a corner.

        But OK, I’ll play your silly vapid little game. What, exactly, would “restrictions on who can buy the guns “ entail? How would you keep guns out of the hands of gang members, who are the primary killers when children are killed by guns?

        But this does not change the fact that you are, deep down, ashamed of being a Democrat, so much so that you can’t give a straight answer to explain your affiliation with this party.

        I don’t blame you. I’d be ashamed, too, of enabling and supporting a party so inherently dishonest and so anti-American, and if I had some deep-seated attachment to its ideology and was pushed to explain it I might scrabble to come up with something I would hope would sound good, just as you have.

      • Amazona October 29, 2022 / 12:28 am

        That said, embryos are not kids. If they were, people would be freaking out over embryos at fertility clinics throwing away old embryos.

        But people do get very upset (avoiding your snotty description) about discarding embryos. You’re on an island, not in a bubble—how could you have missed the articles about this over the years?

      • Mark Noonan October 29, 2022 / 3:34 am

        We do freak out about that – it is a mortal sin. But, one step at a time: we need to first stop elective abortion. We’ll get to the rest of it later.

        And, yeah, that’s it – the inanimate object is the problem…not two generations of your side denigrating religion, saying there is no truth, allowing insane people to wander freely…none of that had anything to do with it. Its the guns! They send out Negative Waves and force people to do things!

        Dude: back in the 1920’s you could buy, via mail, a Thompson machine gun. A weapon that could rip lose a .45 ACP round at a 700 rounds per minute…and with the drum magazine you could have 100 rounds before reloading. Never, not even once, used in a school massacre.

        Think about it, Casper. What changed? The guns actually became less available and less deadly…and then the school shootings started (the first being via a .22 rifle).

    • Mark Noonan October 27, 2022 / 8:47 pm

      The reality is getting really bad for Democrats – but here’s where Liberal Election Analysis is pulling some data which, presented to you, might make you think you’re doing ok: in Red States, Democrats are doing ok in some areas. It is Blue States where the meltdown is coming. The GOP might actually win a House seat or two in New England, for instance (Fung in RI-2 but there are one or two others at least possible for the GOP). This is really no surprise – in Red States, things are better and people are less pissed off. Also, Red State Democrats can campaign as moderates because they haven’t had to overtly come out in favor of far Left positions over the past couple years: Blue State Dems have all had to come out for things like abortion to birth and transitioning 8 year olds as ideological purity is ever more strictly enforced on the Left. We could go past 250 GOP House seats – maybe a lot past – because of the number of D+9 or less seats which flip to the GOP simply because people are finally fed up with Antifa-Trans-Crime-Taxes.

      The real exception here is Florida – there the Democrats seem headed to an extinction-level event. The GOP might even carry Miami-Dade.

      • casper3031 October 27, 2022 / 11:25 pm

        No one is campaigning on abortion to birth and transitioning 8 year olds. Although, Conservatives do seem to be campaigning on forcing 12 year old rape victims to have children.

      • Mark Noonan October 28, 2022 / 2:30 am

        Actually, we’re not – but that is what the Democrat ads are saying. It is incessant out here in Nevada – every Republican is going to ban abortion next week!

        We’ll see if that works. I suspect it won’t.

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 2:14 pm

        Actually, Democrats usually campaign as Republicans. At least they claim to be constitutionalists and against higher taxes and so on. They seldom campaign on the ugly reality of what they really stand for.

        Which is too bad. We’d all be a lot better off today if back in 2020 Dems had promised to lock us down, shut down businesses, close schools, threaten to keep us from crossing state lines and force us to inject experimental drugs if we wanted to keep our jobs or travel and BTW wear face diapers forever.

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 11:50 am

        Conservatives do seem to be campaigning on forcing 12 year old rape victims to have children.

        casper you like to try to project the image of a genial old guy who is moderate and decent , and then you post something like this. In a movie, when this happened there would be one of those flash images where the ugliness inside is visible, before the Nice Guy face reappears.

        It’s not just that this is a lie, as I believe every state but one has a rape exclusion when baby-killing is allowed. It’s the sheer nastiness that allows this to even be thought, much less printed.

        People who don’t follow the blog (yes, there might be some people like that, hard as it is to believe) might think we are too hard on you. But we have long memories of you pulling crap like this, showing us the ugly underbelly of casper, and that combined with some of the truly ignorant and stupid things you have said (‘If you believe in following the Constitution as it is written that means you want to go back to having slaves and not allowing women to vote’) all mean we see through the effort to come across as just a well-meaning old fart who’s just not very bright.

        No, the “well-meaning” is a facade, laid down over a core of true malice, and “not very bright” doesn’t quite do justice to your level of stupidity.

      • Cluster October 28, 2022 / 9:55 am

        Cap, here again your political ignorance is showing. Of course no candidate is vocally advocating aborting a baby 9 months into the pregnancy, nor are they vocally advocating transitioning 8 year olds BUT their policies promote that. AZ Gov candidate Katie Hobbs HAS said that she wants ZERO restrictions on abortion – what does that say to you Cap? Katie Hobbs has also said that puberty blockers need to be available to pre teen kids who are confused. So again, can you think that policy through and what she means??

        Additionally, no conservative would ever block a 10 year old rape victim from the medical care she needs and to cite this one, EXTREMELY RARE incident as a standard for conservatives is proof that you and Democrats have lost this issue. And I will point out that that was a victim of an illegal immigrant and HER OWN MOTHER.

      • casper3031 October 28, 2022 / 7:58 pm

        Cluster, Democratic policies allow women to chose for themselves. Republicans, not so much. There are at least a half a dozen states with no abortion exceptions for rape or incest. That means that a female of any age, from 10 to 50 would have to carry a baby to term. Personally, as mentioned before, I’m prochoice. Whether or not a woman wants to have a child should be up to here.

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 8:47 pm

        Oh. bull. You’ve been a Democrat since you started coming here, when killing babies was still considered a right.
        And there are plenty of Republicans who are pro-“choice”. (When there are two people involved and only one gets to vote, it’s not much of a choice. And we need to remember that when a state, as Colorado did a few years ago, offers to pay for abortions if the females agree to a three day waiting period in which they see an ultrasound of the baby and learn of options to killing it, the pro-death crowd went insane. The shrill howling of their outrage was deafening. That told me that they were not about “choice” at all, as true choice is based on information, but merely all about killing those kids.)

        You lie again when you say “That means that a female of any age, from 10 to 50 would have to carry a baby to term.” Now that Der Fuhrer has decided to drop his plan to prohibit interstate travel for those not submitting to his experimental drug mandate, these women can go to a lot of places to kill those babies. As a matter of fact, some pilots have offered to fly them, and their friends, for free to states where they are not restricted. Dick’s Sporting Goods will pay all abortion expenses including for a friend to go along.

        So tell us, why are you a Democrat?

        What is it about the structure and long term agendas of the Democrat Party attract you and earn your loyalty? Are you one of those superficial ISSUES who just votes on what a party promises, or do you analyze the basic structure of the opposing political models and base your decision on which blueprint you think is the best for governing the country?

        It’s really funny to see how hard it is for you to answer this simple question.

      • Mark Noonan October 28, 2022 / 9:59 pm

        Killing kids is wrong, Casper. And, I mean it – on the list of things not to do, it is right there at the tippy top.

        But, we understand political reality – there isn’t the political will in the United States here in 2022 to ban the barbaric and inhuman practice.

        There is, however, overwhelming support for restrictions on abortion after the first trimester. This is reasonable – it is genuinely pro-choice: in that first 90 days, make up your mind. After that, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

        But that isn’t the Democrat position. Not in the least! The Democrat position isn’t pro-choice, it is pro-abortion. The position – which is absolutely required of all Democrat officials top to bottom – is taxpayer-funded abortion to the moment of birth. This position doesn’t even command 10% support among the electorate – but it is the bedrock Democrat position.

        And then the Democrats lie by omission about it – they will not say unless heavily pressed that they do not want any restrictions on abortion. And even when so pressed, they rely on their lapdog MSM to not widely broadcast that fact. This is because they know that such a position is politically poisonous.

        And then the Democrats lie by commission about it – they are insisting that the first step of any GOPer out there is to seek a nation-wide ban on abortion under all circumstances. This is simply not possible – mostly because the reason we opposed Roe is because the federal government has no real interest in the subject. But, also, we know the political reality: this is something that can’t be done. Here in Nevada, Democrats are claiming that every Republican running for office seeks an immediate ban – which under Nevada law isn’t possible even if we gain super-majorities in the legislature: Nevada law legalizes abortion to 15 weeks and this law was enacted by popular referendum decades ago…and we, the people, would have to vote twice in a row to overturn that law. This isn’t going to happen given the strong Libertarian streak in Nevada. And the Democrats know this – and so they know they’re lying. Because lying about abortion is all they’ve got.

      • Retired Spook October 28, 2022 / 9:13 pm

        There are at least a half a dozen states with no abortion exceptions for rape or incest.

        Actually the number is up to 10, and I have a difficult time wrapping my head around that. I’ve always considered myself pro-life, and I have tremendous respect and empathy for any woman who becomes pregnant through rape or incest and decides to carry the baby to term and either keep it or put it up for adoption. That said, forcing a woman to carry the child to term under such circumstances seems cruel and uncaring to me.

      • casper3031 October 28, 2022 / 10:06 pm

        Not ducking your question, just busy. First an abortion. A number of Republican politicians are pushing for a country wide abortion ban, meaning that women would either have to use back alley services, go to another country, or be forced to have a baby, none of which are good options. Better to just leave it up to each woman and make sure there is access to medical services.

        So why am I a Democrat? While no party aligns 100% with my beliefs, the Democratic Party comes the closest.
        I am for:
        Access to affordable health care for everyone.
        Living wages for everyone.
        Democracy, meaning everyone’s vote counts the same (goodbye electoral college).
        Having the rich pay their fair share of taxes.
        Letting women make decisions over their bodies.

        That’s a start.

      • Amazona October 28, 2022 / 11:34 pm

        Access to affordable health care for everyone.
        Living wages for everyone.

        And how should government make these possible within the constraints of the Constitution? Or do think we should just ignore the Constitution and expand the powers of the federal government to allow it to try to make this possible?

        Democracy, meaning everyone’s vote counts the same (goodbye electoral college).
        Again, not possible if governed by our Constitution. It was designed to make it impossible to run the nation as a pure democracy. Surely somewhere in your studies to be a teacher you learned the attitude of the Founders toward pure democracies.

        You also seem oblivious to the fact that electing a president by the popular vote would have the effect of disenfranchising tens of millions of voters. In the last presidential election the margin of the popular vote was approximately the number of votes cast for the Democrat in Los Angeles, or Manhattan. Either of those two cities would provide the numbers necessary to cancel out all the votes in the rest of the country.

        So these three answers prove your dependence on Identity Politics, as they (as well as the other two) have absolutely nothing to with the structure of the Democrat Party. That means you are either ignorant of its structure and agendas or you just vote for issues regardless of the kind of government that we would get (did get) as a result.

        Worse, they prove that you have no respect for our Constitution and don’t think we should be governed by it. This comes as no surprise.

        Having the rich pay their fair share of taxes.
        It’s hard to believe you posted this here, after all the posts pointing out that “the rich” pay a vastly higher percentage of all taxes paid than the rest of the country put together. I know, it’s a rallying cry to suck in the politically ignorant, but still…..

        Letting women make decisions over their bodies.
        Again, the same old trite rallying call, which completely ignores the fact that women CAN and furthermore SHOULD make decisions about their own bodies but when they make the wrong decisions they are suddenly responsible for a different life than their own

        Pregnancy creates a new body which is undeniably a human being. You are, essentially, saying that you support the ownership of a human being by another human being, even to the extent of the one killing the other. And nearly every time this killing is merely a form of birth control, just a way to get rid of a human life just because it is inconvenient. You try to weasel out of this ugly truth by falling back on the old “it’s not really a child” mantra, and then you dragged out the tired old “back alley” whine.

        You tried very very hard to avoid talking about your support for a form of government that is by its very nature tyrannical, and which has never in history resulted in anything but loss of personal liberty, economic misery and far too often the deaths of tens/hundreds of millions of lives.

        But you are admitting to wanting a government with a vastly more powerful Central Authority, instead of keeping most authority in the states or with the people. You are admitting that you reject our Constitution. And you are admitting to trivializing your vote by casting it based on isolated personal and cultural ISSUES instead of on analysis of the governing model each of your choices represents.

      • Mark Noonan October 29, 2022 / 3:41 am

        As far as “rich pay their fair share”, as soon as any Liberal can tell us what, precisely, “fair share” is, we can discuss it. They’ll never even approximate that, of course, because (as I’ve noted many times over the years) they don’t really want to tax “the rich” because the rich don’t have enough money…the 100 richest people in America have a pittance compared to what the American middle class makes each year. All their “tax the rich” proposals work out to burdening the middle class…because that’s where the money is.

      • Cluster October 29, 2022 / 8:23 am

        How long have Democrats been wanting the rich to pay their fare share?? Several times throughout my life, the Democrats have controlled all levers of government and never once did they change the tax code. Casper, you’re being lied to, and you haven’t figured that out yet.

      • Amazona October 29, 2022 / 1:35 pm

        Casper, you’re being lied to, and you haven’t figured that out yet.

        Analyzing the veracity of what you are being told requires thought processes and the willingness to accept what might not be a palatable truth. In other words, casper is simply not qualified in any way to figure out that he is being lied to.

        He is being told what makes him feel good, and that’s all that matters.

        We always come back to the observation that the main allure of the Left is its message that it is a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground. This conviction of moral superiority is not easily abandoned.

        So the sheeple who need this kind of affirmation of their goodness from a political movement soothe themselves with all the lies that are needed to shore up the illusion. So abortion is not the brutal ending of a human life, often with great agony , but is just a benign “choice” based on “a woman’s right to control her own body”. The blood, the pain, the atrocity of poisoning a sentient human being which can feel pain and then dismembering it and throwing it away is dismissed, replaced by the sunny conviction that this is a virtuous act merely affirming a woman’s rights. And there is no negative connotation, to them, of a woman so self-absorbed and narcissistic that she will gladly kill her own child just because it is inconvenient.

        One of the most offensive aspects of this mentality is the contradiction of its message that one can be virtuous while at the same time depending on others to assume his responsibility as a human being. This is behind the belief that the purpose of government is to “take care” of people, not to merely provide a framework of laws within which people have the freedom to take care of themselves. There is the belief, never articulated but at the heart of the desire for a nanny-state government, that no one suffers when the productive among us then have the product of their labor taken away from them to support people who have the ability to take care of themselves but prefer to mooch off others. By talking about “the government” paying people a “living wage” or supporting them in other ways, they are able to skim over the fact that “the government” gets that money from people who worked for it.

        They obediently parrot the most ridiculous things, like the claim that the “rich” don’t pay their “fair share” of taxes, or that the Electoral College somehow disenfranchises voters. They swallow the BS that the deeper we go into debt the less we will suffer inflation.

        And beneath all this self-delusion and pretense is the ugly fact that they, by following after issues and promises like hounds chasing a rabbit they are actually enabling and supporting an inherently brutal and inhumane political system which has been responsible for the loss of personal liberty, economic misery, and the murders of tens if not hundreds of millions of people. It’s the nature and structure of this political model casper supports and enables that make him so hesitant to openly defend it, why he has to hide behind his litany of ISSUES as a feeble effort to explain his political affiliation. Examining the truth of his political affiliation would be far too uncomfortable for him.

        We know it’s a shit sundae but all he cares about is the whipped cream and cherry on the top.

      • Cluster October 28, 2022 / 10:27 pm

        Cap, it’s disgusting how cavalierly you talk about killing a baby. And how quick you are to dismiss the Father and the unborn child when speaking of the “choice”. There are many choices before pregnancy, and there are other people who suffer the consequences of that choice after the pregnancy, and this is how our society should think of the practice. It should be rare and stigmatized because it is murder and an abhorrent practice, not a choice.

      • Amazona October 29, 2022 / 12:08 am

        Cluster, you may have noticed the total absence of a very real and important phenomenon. That is, that abortion is pushed onto women very early in their pregnancies, before they have had time to get over the original shock and panic.

        I have known literally dozens of women who have felt dismay and panic upon learning they were pregnant, who then got past that stage and came to love and cherish and protect those tiny lives in their care

        The claim of the rabid baby-killers is that if a woman is freaked out when learning she is pregnant this feeling will never change. That she will hate that child and resent it and wish she could kill it, and that carrying it to term is some kind of horrid, inhumane, abuse and punishment.

        As for the “kill the rapist’s baby” demands: Only one of many stories of women who have gone through this.

        I, having lived through rape, and also having raised a child conceived in rape, feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that abortion should be legal because of rape and incest. I feel that we’re being used by pro-abortionists to further the abortion issue, even though we’ve not been asked to tell our side.

        The claim that carrying the child of a rapist to term would be permanently damaging to a woman is simply not true. No doubt many women believe this, because it is the message broadcast incessantly. And it carries with it the implication that killing the baby will help the woman “get through” the trauma of the rape. That’s ridiculous.

        The women who have given birth to babies conceived though rape all have the same basic experience—they chose to see those tiny vulnerable little unborn babies as valuable in their own right, deserving of life and needing protection of the mother.

      • Cluster October 29, 2022 / 8:21 am

        And why aren’t men more comforting to these women? Rather than promote and encourage the most barbaric and demeaning practice? I hate the way abortion os thought of in this country and how it’s labeled simply a “choice” – that’s disgusting. And where are the Fathers??????

      • Cluster October 28, 2022 / 10:33 pm

        Access to affordable health care for everyone.
        Living wages for everyone.
        Democracy, meaning everyone’s vote counts the same (goodbye electoral college).
        Having the rich pay their fair share of taxes.
        Letting women make decisions over their bodies.

        So again, why are you a Democrat?? Outside of obliterating our Representative Republic, the Democrats support none of the above. Obamacare made standard healthcare extremely expensive for many people including me, the minimum wage of $15 is not even close to being a livable wage, the tax code is an absolute joke and the Democrat Congress can change that tomorrow … but they don’t, and many women were fired for not taking an experimental vaccine because of Democrat policies. So anything else you want to add?

  3. Cluster October 27, 2022 / 8:53 pm


  4. Retired Spook October 28, 2022 / 2:59 pm

    I’ve haven’t read American Thinker in a while, but a good friend sent me the link to this excellent article by Jeffrey Folks.

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