After Barak Obama (the obAMATEUR to realists) became president in January 2009, he signed the infamous “stimulus package”, worth $787 billion, of liberal dream spending with virtually no Republican support (and rightfully so). As it was rammed through with little reading or debate, we were told that it was “necessary”, “to keep unemployment under 8%”. Practically overnight as one of its highest priorities, the federal government became the “Home Depot” by weatherizing government buildings and housing projects (excuse me “housing developments”). Streets and highways with little or no need of repair would be broken up and repaved. The DOT and other government agencies would spend millions on signs advertising the supposed benefits of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. I saw one of those signs first hand in Washington DC. It stated that the park on Roosevelt Island would be receiving a generous “grant” to facilitate the involvement of local youth in the removal of “non-indigenous plants”. To put it simply, local kids would be weeding the island. This was going to save the economy and the country??
Then there were several “projects” and “studies” also financed by the ARRA. One project, numbered 1R01AA01658001, titled “Malt Liquor and Marijuana: Factors in their Concurrent or Separate Use”. This grant of $400,000 to a professor at New York State at Buffalo has the following official abstract: “We appreciate the opportunity to refocus this application to achieve a single important aim related to our understanding of young adults’ use of malt liquor, other alcoholic beverages, and Marijuana, all of which confer high risks for experiencing negative consequences including addiction.” Wow, $400,000 to study something we already knew??? Other such “grants” followed, to ACORN, to the study of porn, to the study of fish migrations and mating habits of certain animals, etc. etc.
The cost of the stimulus was later revised to $862 billion (an underestimate of 10%). If a private business made such a blunder in outgoing funds it would most likely go out of business. But I digress….. As a result of this boondoggle of liberal spending, the TEA Party was born. It was by accident really that this organization was founded. Thanks to Rick Santelli on CNBC and his rant against the stimulus package and a particular proposal to for it to also subsidize what he called the “losers mortgages”. He proposed a ceremonial dumping of of derivative securities into Lake Michigan. A few hours later a website popped up with a call for a “Chicago Tea Party” and Santelli’s video rant. The video became viral across the nation. Average Americans were furious about the massive new spending and the revelations about previous spending on those “studies” and “grants”. This alone was not the sustaining factor in keeping the TEA Party movement alive but the fact that: Under President Obama, federal spending has been growing at an unprecedented pace. We are adding $4.8 billion to the national debt everyday. The long-term viability of Medicare and Social Security isn’t merely uncertain – as so many analysts would have us believe. In fact their failure is is a sure thing without structural changes. By adding massive new entitlements with the health care bill we are simply going to go broke faster.
The TEA party gained so much momentum so fast, it was a threat to the liberal establishment. Immediately pundits, the obAMATEUR friendly media, the Democrats went into full gear with their baseless and usual smear tactics and attacks.
Susan Roesgen of CNN (once an anchor in New Orleans) was going after TEA Party enthusiasts at a Chicago rally, suggesting they were stupid and irrational (no objective reporting there).
Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post: “The danger of political violence in this country comes overwheminly from one direction – the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day – and, quite regurlarly, at TEA Party rallies – is calibrated not to inform but to incite.”
MSNBC’s Ed Shutlz (I KNOW NOTHING!!!): “I believe that the TEA Partiers are misguided. I think they are racist, for the most part. I think that they are clinging to their guns and their religion. And I think in many respects, they are what’s wrong with America.”
Actress Janeane Garofalo: “This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. There are nothing but a bunch of tea-bagging readnecks.”
Comedian Bill Maher: “the teabaggers, they’re not a movement, they’re a cult.”
Democratic strategist Stece McMahon: “The reason people walk into schools and open fire is because of rhetoric like this and because of attitudes like this. The reason people walk onto military bases and open fire is because of rhetoric like this and attitudes like this. Really, what they’re doing is not that much different that what Osama bin Laden is doing in recruiting people and encouraging them to hate America.”
Chris Mathews claimed that the TEA Partiers are all “monochromatic” and “all white”. A quick look and amateur and profession videos at rallies quickly proved this talking point wrong.
However, a Washington Post/ABC poll found that 14% of voters say the TEA Party is “most in synch” with their values; 20% say TEA Partiers are “most in tune with economic problems Americans are now facing”.
A most interesting poll came from TargetPoint Consulting which interviewed 500 attendees at the April 15, 2010 Tax Rally in DC Here are some of the results:
The TEA Partiers are united on the issues of debt, the growth of government, and health care reform
They are socially conservative on the one hand and libertarian on the other, split roughly down the middle.
They are older, more educated, and more conservative that average voters and they are “distinctly not Democrat”.
This brings us to the present day. The President’s approval ratings are low and getting lower and Congressional Democrats are the lowest and getting worse. Members of his party are running away from him (as seen in the November elections with declines of his speaking at their rallies). Now with the debate on the debt limit, Americans are seeing that the Republicans have presented plans while the Democrats and the President have presented NONE. The only thing liberal Democrats and their drones can do is continue to attack the GOP and the TEA party candidates who won in November who are doing what their constituents want – lower spending and reduce the size of the budget with has grown over 25% in just two years. There is no way you can convince anyone that there a no room for cuts. The liberal drones continue with their attacks of racism. Andrew Brietbart has offered anyone who can prove racism at a TEA party rally with a cash reward. With all the amateur and professional videos out there NOT A SINGLE ONE has captured anything close to the looney left’s claims (of course, the left now claims criticizing the Presidents failed policies is racism).
The Democrats are out of new ideas. They continue to tout the same old ones that have failed time and again – more spending and more taxes. When the President says we must live within our means he is not talking of cutting spending to match revenues, but raising taxes in hopes of raising revenues to match spending. His mishandling of this debt limit and lack of leadership is showing among his Twitter followers (losing 30,000) and elsewhere, his support continues to dwindle.
When President Obama spoke before the United Nations General Assembly in September 2009, he declared that a world order that elevates one country or group of countries over others is bound to fail. So he’s changing the order. If his domestic policy priority is the redistribution of wealth, his foreign policy seems to be the redistribution of power. The TEA Party has members of every race and creed is continuing to gain momentum and returning the conversation to limited government in scope and power.
I believe that Obama, and liberal over reach during his regime, will set liberalism back a couple of decades. All of this vitriol and drama queen hysteria on behalf of the left has not gone unnoticed by the vast majority of rational, clear thinking adults, hence the low approvals for Obama, and those voters will definitely want to change direction in 2012.
The current state of our union is a financial mess, the current state of our congress is chaos, and the current state of our foreign policy is a mixed bag of confusion, all as result of incredible incompetence and a lack of leadership in the WH.
al-Oboma and the donkrat party are giving us the full monty of what modern communism is….EVIL
While i tend to agree with Ms Garofalo on the bulk of why white conservatives are up in arms about the current President I would be the very first to admit that this first term has not gone as well as say Axelrod would have hoped. All is definitely not lost though. There is time to save your country from turning to the anti-intellectual far Right and casting America into the ash bin of history. By Pain’s best estimates if a TEA Party backed candidate for the GOP nomination like Michele Bachmann were to win the general election over the next decade it would cost the United States over 6 trillion dollars and as many as 20 million lives. Such a decision on the part of the American voters would be akin to genocide. While Mr Obama is far from being perfect he does need the time and freedom plus the support of a Democratic Congress to bring America out of the darkness and back into the light.
While i tend to agree with Ms Garofalo on the bulk of why white conservatives are up in arms about the current President’.
There is time to save your country from turning to the anti-intellectual far Right and casting America into the ash bin of history
sitck to the fork, your BULL SHIITE is stinking this site up.
FUBO and YOU!!
As always a learned and well reasoned response.
As always the only type of response appropriate for a vile, hateful, bigoted racist post which illustrates nothing so much as the foundation of irrational loathing upon which the rabidly radical Left depends to keep its mindless foot soldiers involved.
It is, of course, quite possible that Di is just another drone with no clue at all as to the real meaning of politics, the real ideology and agendas of the system “she” supports, and therefore no possible way to comprehend the fact that other people actually DO understand politics, have chosen a SYSTEM they believe in, and object to the antics of a president whose chosen system is antithetical to the system they believe is the best way to govern our nation.
If you make all your “political” decisions based on emotion, and on blind, hateful,negative emotion at that, you are bound to assume that the Other Guy does, as well. You are not going to be able to fathom a process by which a person objectively examines and analyzes two opposing blueprints for governing the country, chooses the one he or she believes to be the better, and then objects to efforts to implement the one he or she believes is harmful and counterproductive. You will latch onto the kind of blind, hateful, negative emotion that forms the foundation for YOUR choices, and apply that to the opposition.
calvin emphasis DHE
and as many as 20 million lives. Such a decision on the part of the American voters would be akin to genocide
glad to see you leftards so worried about “genocide” while you CONTINUE to MURDER MORE than 55,000 000 babies and counting
you cretins need to crawl back into your cave to hell.
I do not believe your pet social issue is the topic of this thread. Serious thinkers see the abyss that Ms Bachmann would cast America over. The fact that you feel she is qualified despite her debilitating migraines, her revisionist historical positions and her lack of gravitas as a critical thinker is laughable.
Amazing you would just to blithely insult tens of millions of Americans…and, as it might prove next year, a large majority of Americans.
We are not opposed to Obama in any way, shape or form because of his skin color…we opposed him in 2008 because he was a leftist who would implement bad policies….and now we oppose him in 2011 because we were right about him in 2008.
Racist comment deleted//Moderator
I hardly think that was a racist comment Mr Noonan if you do not like what I say that is one thing to characterize it as racist when it is the truth is something wholly other.
Are you saying there are no bigots at all in TEA Party?
My contention is that you insulted millions of people based upon no evidence. There isn’t any credible evidence that anyone who is an actual adherent of the TEA Party believes in a racist world view. There are agent provocateurs who have showed up with racist signs, but I defy anyone to find a genuine TEA Party activist who holds that any person should be held down on account of skin color or ethnic background. I’ve been to the rallies, I’ve seen the sort of people there…including the minority people: race plays no role at all in how the activists believe or act. They are motivated by a love of country, a respect for the rule of law and an insistence upon justice. The people attending the TEA Party rallies are the backbone of this nation…without them, we’d simply shrivel up and die.
So, you go ahead and be that sort of weakling – someone who would rather dismiss them as racists rather than deal with them as they are.
“I hardly think that was a racist comment Mr Noonan if you do not like what I say that is one thing to characterize it as racist when it is the truth is something wholly other.”
You have not proved it racist. But to you liberals, criticizing obAMATEUR’s policies is racist.
Seriously Mr Noonan I cannot believe that you are so willing to toss in the towel. Do you not realize that being forced to speak correctly in regard to race within politics means that the other side has won? You are forced into such a fabrication that there are no bigots, no people who dislike Blacks or Latinos merely because of the color of their skin because to admit that such people are memebrs of the TEA party would be utterly destructive. Just because a person is a bigot does not mean they should not be allowed to express their political views.
If the TEA party is so inclusive why are there no majority Black districts repredsented by a member of the TEA Party caucus when there is a majority white district represented by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus?
People who are interested in justice do just that – justice. At one time it was “settled science” – settled “progressive” science, by the way – that non-Anglo-Saxon people were inferior. You can go ahead and fault average folks for agreeing with that, but the blame will still lie with those who adduced that black people were inherently inferior…people like Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, who wanted to cut down the number of black births because they threatened to swamp the tall, fair, erect members of the Anglo-Saxon race.
Time marches on, the emergence of a virulent form of racism in Nazi Germany discredits that line of thinking…and gets all sorts of people thinking seriously about the matter of race. Social attitude undergo a long, difficult but steady shift first towards tolerance, then towards embrace. This wasn’t a liberal victory..this was liberalism refuted by reality.
You should also learn – though I do wonder at times if anything like knowledge can penetrate your mind – that the people who advocated a racist worldview were not like most of us on the right. I’m the descendant of Irish and Jews: two ethnic groups also despised by people like the “Progressives” who gave us the eugenic theory which led to birth control and abortion. You’ll find in the TEA Party the descendants of Poles, Italians, Russians and other non-Anglo peoples…and of course plenty of Anglos who may be descended from people who were racist, but bear no taint of it.
What you really might want to do here is stop lying…of course, that may be difficult to square with writing on a blog which celebrates the father of lies, but anything is possible…and you can always re-name the blog.
you lie almost as well as most folks use toilet paper stooge…but we dont expect much more from you poor buggers…you dont know any better…
Note the effort to cast those whose political foundation is a careful study and examination and understanding of the Constitution of the United States, and a commitment to that Constitution as the only rule of law for the nation, as “anti-intellectual”—-while, evidently, considering those who are their opposite, who do not understand or accept the Constitution and rail against those who do while remaining steadfastly ignorant of the system they are supporting and enabling as “intellectual”.
Thomas Sowell has defined an “intellectual” as one whose sole product is ideas—-and without the slightest requirement that those ideas be correct. This is an excellent description of the self-proclaimed Leftist “intellectuals” who posture as people acting on principle and elevated levels of general intelligence and morality, while simultaneously ACTING on impulse, supporting an always-failed system of government and economics, clinging to a fond fantasy of being able to impose equality of outcome on a wide range of inherently unequal people, and acting out a pathological need to punish those whose lives have been more productive than their own.
By Pain’s best estimates if a TEA Party backed candidate for the GOP nomination like Michele Bachmann were to win the general election over the next decade it would cost the United States over 6 trillion dollars and as many as 20 million lives.
Pure comedy. Didn’t Pain also predict that an Obama presidency would result in a revitalized economy and a world free from terrorism?
In the long term Cludter pain will be proven correct. That is if Mr Obama is voted in to a second term.
Moderator: Deleted off topic.
As I said in a previous thread, we have the Tea Party movement to thank for a new and heretofore unheard of conversation in Washington. In a little over 2 years we’ve gone from how much can we spend and how fast can we spend it to how much can we cut and how fast can we cut it.
And having been an active participant in the Tea Party movement virtually since its inception, I can say, without reservation, that our trolls from the Fork don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
A lovely Saturday morning to you all at the new, improved blogsforvictory (although evidently, the same old NewClown). tiredoflibbs says “the infamous “stimulus package”, worth $787 billion, of liberal dream spending.” Uh, no. $288 billion of it was tax cuts, which I would think you would love, since in your mind, no tax is a good tax. At least try to be honest, tired.
tired says, “it was rammed through with little reading or debate.” Hmmm. Kind of like the Boehner debt ceiling bill? I recall Boehner himself promising us that Republicans would “post every bill online for at least 72 hours before it comes to the House floor for a vote.” What happen, tired?
tired says “The President’s approval ratings are low and getting lower and Congressional Democrats are the lowest and getting worse.” Everyone’s approval ratings are low–no surprise considering this self-manufactured “crisis.” However, according to Gallup, the ratings of Republicans in Congress is lower than Democrats, and lower than President Obama. And it’s been that way for the entire duration of Obama’s administration. Further, according to Gallup, Republicans in congress have the lowest rating for “putting the country first,” and the highest rating for “putting own political interests first.”
tired says, “Americans are seeing that the Republicans have presented plans while the Democrats and the President have presented NONE.” Uh, no. Americans are seeing that Republicans have gone off the deep end. In a recent CBS poll, “only 21 percent of the people surveyed said they approved of Republicans’ handling of the negotiations, while 71 percent disapprove.” The fact that you think Americans are falling in love with these hyperpartisan Tea Partiers is delusional.
Moderator: Uh, watty, according to liberal talking points “tax cuts” are spending. But then again, those were not real tax cuts in the stimulus. They were tax credits based on economic activity (purchasing new cars, home improvements, etc. etc.) and specialty targeted credits that did not apply to everyone to cover the 95% of Americans as the pResident touted. If you are going to accuse someone of lying at least back it up with proof. http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-plan-taxcut-list#tax_relief_for_individuals
With regard to polls, obAMATEUR had a +70% approval and has dropped by almost HALF in two years. There is no leadership in the White House and the American people see it. Besides, the polls would reflect differently without an obAMATEUR friendly media in place doing their job to put blame on the Republicans while the pResident holds press conferences and does nothing.
However, according to Gallup, the ratings of Republicans in Congress is lower than Democrats, and lower than President Obama. And it’s been that way for the entire duration of Obama’s administration. Further, according to Gallup, Republicans in congress have the lowest rating for “putting the country first,” and the highest rating for “putting own political interests first.”
Must be why there was the largest shift in power in 7 decades in the House of Representatives last fall.
A power shift, BTW, that gave the GOP their largest House majority since 1928. Voters must have just been taken by their good looks.
Spook, because generally Americans prefer divided government. But no matter, I’m reporting the Gallup findings in July 2011, not July 2010. Do you dispute that these are the Gallup findings? Do I have to provide you with a link? (I assume you are capable of finding this stuff yourself.)
And here is the money line (pun intended) from your linked article:
Dollar amounts for the tax provisions are based on a 10-year period, estimated by the Joint Committee on Taxation. The committee uses this period because the effects of tax cuts may occur over several years. But the estimates reflect cuts made only for the years authorized by Congress. Most cuts are authorized for one or two years.
Plus, even the New York Times admitted that 95% of the public never realized there had been a tax cut provision in the stimulus.
The fact that they did not realize it does not mean the provision was not there. On the average for a married couple it amounted to $15.40 per week in additional take home pay.
“On the average for a married couple it amounted to $15.40 per week in additional take home pay.”
But at the end of the year, the same married couple realized that they still owed the SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES on their pay. They received a “tax cut” in their withholding, but at the end of the year they still had to pay the same as before. Most taxpayer saw a reduction in their refunds if they did not have to pay more out of pocket at the end of the year.
More gimmicky accounting by the obAMATEUR administration.
So now we have a “moderator” editing comments by readers? Even better, a “moderator” resorts to name-calling. Stay classy, blogsforvictory. tired, I realize Mark gave you super powers here, but you’re just making yourself look foolish.
tired, why do you bring up liberal talking points? We’re discussing YOUR post. You quibble about “tax cuts” versus “tax credits.” Look, if a tax credit puts an extra $1000 in your pocket instead of Uncle Sam’s, I don’t care if you call it a tax credit or a tax cut–the result is the same, and you know it. Actually, a credit can be even better.
Let me help you with some of these tax cuts that you argue weren’t cuts at all:
• New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.
• One year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.
• A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
And then there are the corporate tax breaks, which you should love. tired, why is it that your commenters do more research than you?
Regarding the polls, for the purposes of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what the polls were two or three years ago. We’re talking about today, and your insinuation that the Republicans are enjoying some sort of widespread public support and resurgence of popularity in the polls is just flat out wrong. And your fallback that the polls are controlled Obama’s friendly media just shows how weak your entire argument is.
“tired, why do you bring up liberal talking points? We’re discussing YOUR post.”
Because according to you the entire stimulus was not spending. But according to liberal politicians and their talking points “tax cuts” is spending.
You can’t have it both ways there watty.
tired said, “Because according to you the entire stimulus was not spending. But according to liberal politicians and their talking points “tax cuts” is spending.”
No tired, YOU said the entire stimulus was “liberal dream spending.” That is simply not true.
What I said is that a third of it was tax cuts and tax credits for both individuals and corporations. A third is not the same as all, or did you fail elementary math as well?
You were and are simply wrong and your hyperpartisan ranting doesn’t make it any better. And your editing of commenter’s posts just makes you look childish.
watty, I see you have a problem with reading comprehension. I said that the entire stimulus was spending. You said it was not that it contained tax cuts.
I accurately replied that liberal politicians claim tax cuts to be spending. So using liberal politician rhetoric, it is entirely spending.
Again, you cannot have it both ways. Tax cuts are spending for Bush and are not spending for obAMATEUR.
There was no editing of your post, just a repsonse. A response that shed light on the spin by the Democrats to show that there are tax cuts in the stimulus. There are simply tax credits – a tax cut is a reduction in listed in the taxes owed tables on the returns. There were none. Plus the credits were carefully targeted ones – they did not give 95% of Americans the “tax cut” obAMATEUR claimed they did. Spook countered it as well.
This is not a thread about the stimulus, but the TEA Party, the Future of Liberty and the LIES told by Democrats because they are threatened. Comment on topic and stop trying to change the subject like every other liberal drone here.
tired said, “I accurately replied that liberal politicians claim tax cuts to be spending. So using liberal politician rhetoric, it is entirely spending.”
I don’t care what you think liberal politicians claimed. Moderator: Just because “you don’t care” doesn’t change the FACT that liberal politicians portray “tax cuts” as spending. We’re talking about what you said, and the fact that it’s demonstrably untrue Moderator: Your opinion not a fact. And we’re talking about what you claim I said, which you misrepresented, and then tried to put words into my mouth by assigning your made up lefty talking points to me.
Moderator: I did no such thing. Your clearly stated that the stimulus contained some tax cuts. I misrepresented nothing. You can’t stand the fact that I used liberal lies and spin against you.
You edit out posts right and left claiming they’re off topic or personal attacks. Meanwhile, you let stand the very first comment to the post of the 28th, “Obamunism! Economy Slows Down.” That comment is obviously off-topic, and yet you do nothing because NeoClown evidently is blackmailing you guys.
Moderator: Mark has given me the power to edit comments of my own thread, none others. That was not my thread. If it were I would have deleted it. Secondly, I do not change the meaning of someone’s post. It is not my fault that you cannot accurately write what you think.
Moderator: Personal attacks deleted. Also, whining about blog rules will get you nowhere.
And one more thing, tired. You say, “This is not a thread about the stimulus, but the TEA Party, the Future of Liberty and the LIES told by Democrats because they are threatened. Comment on topic and stop trying to change the subject like every other liberal drone here.”
I responded to your specific statements in your post. I even quoted the statements back to you before responding to them. It’s hilarious that you feel that commenting about YOUR SPECIFIC STATEMENTS is off topic. Whatever.
Moderator: Clearly you have not conquered your problem of reading comprehension. The topic is not about the stimulus. The stimulus, which contained spending on useless crap, is what started the TEA Party movement, its goals, which are counter to the liberal politicians to the point they have to lie to attack it. The CONTENT OR SOME LITTLE DETAIL THEREOF OF THE STIMULUS IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. You again try to deflect from the topic of the thread – a typical liberal tactic when they have nothing to defend. You don’t like it – don’t comment. Wait for an open thread to do so. Again, whining will get you nowhere.
Moderator: Repeated personal attacks get you booted.
You have to understand that the folks here are the True Believers. John Cole has them pretty well pegged:
The only thing delusion Cole forgot to mention is what tired is whining about in this thread: “liberal media bias!”They think that the majority of America shares their belief that if everything burns down, Conservatopia will arise from the ashes. They don’t keep very close contact with the real world, obviously. I have already broken tired down to angry, blithering foolishness, just as you have in short order; his response is that of a typical tea partier: Whine, cry, complain, blame your failures on somebody else. He’s not the type of person who’s going to be able to absorb any facts when his delusions are his only comfort.
Moderator: Prop Joe (once Monty and once Jeffy) thinks he has won with the usual insane personal attacks while puffing up his chest and tail feathers with false bravado and claims of false victory. He claims victory in a debate he never participated in with no facts or proof to back them up – typical for this dumbed down troll. It is amazing that he once again demonstrates the tried and true failing liberal tactic of repeating the same mindless tasks over and over and expecting a different result. Again jeffy (or what it is you are calling yourself today), debate or go away.
Watson already destroyed you in this debate, tired. And he did it rather effortlessly, but he was left wondering why you couldn’t fess up to being wrong and why you were so desperate to hide behind false statements and pitiful antics. I was just pointing out to him the intellectual deficiencies of the True Believers– the bizarre soup of wishful thinking, rank dishonesty, and uninformed anger that makes people like you so unreachable with facts and so unable to deal with your brazen hypocrisy — forced those desperate actions of yours. Predictably, you couldn’t handle it. Such is your pattern.
Moderator: wow, you must be a cheap first date – very low on the expectations meter. “True Believers”? An cut and paste little snippet, taken out of context opinion from some far out blog that has nothing in common with the TEA Party. And you complain about “credible sources”!!!! Watty does what you do, focus on some little unrelated detail and try to deflect from the actual topic. Poor little jeffy, can’t swim and eat with the big fish so he must sneak in as a bottom feader eating and expelling excrement. Again jeffy, debate or go away – we grow bored with your little pitiful attacks and the mental excrement you leave behind.
Throwing in the towel already, tired? Well, if there’s one thing you know how to do, it’s fall to pieces quickly. Few can do so as rapidly and thoroughly as you can.
By the way, I’d love to see your evidence (still unprovided–and many requests for it have been deleted because, hey, what else is a coward like you going to do?) that the tea party is “gaining momentum.” Quite the opposite is true: The tea party was never particularly popular, and unfavorable views of it just keep on rising. But considering that A) you have already been thoroughly destroyed in this debate, and B) personal attacks deleted.
Moderator: Another jeffy alias….. Pathetic. If it were not for your juvenile attempts at personal attacks your posts would stay up. Perhaps you missed the part where I stated “and returning the conversation to limited government in scope and power.” That is gaining momentum in the arena of political idea and not “a popularity contest”. But then again who did the NYT ask? – not a credible unbiased source. But, of course, I would not expect someone like you with a first grade reading comprehension level to understand that nuance. The latest debates and polling that shows that Americans want the Congress, the Senate and even the President to get control of spending. That is changing the conversation in Washington and that this conversation is gaining momentum in the political arena. If you had read the entire thread you would now this, but then again, you are always looking for some pathetic little gotcha and not concerned with the big picture.
Why can’t you provide proof of your claim that the tea party is gaining momentum, tired? I provided proof to the contrary, and in response, all you did was run away.
Moderator: Nope, asked and answered (see the SEVERAL posts above with new info).
BTW, I see you missed the sentences in your source article that states: “It’s not clear, on the other hand, that favorable views are decreasing; never been much higher than the low 30s, and that’s roughly where they remain today.”
or, “If you squint your eyes and stare at the chart for long enough, you can argue that the rate of increase has been more rapid since roughly the 1st of the year — which could coincide with a post-midterm hangover, the Tucson shootings, or some combination thereof — but the data is not quite robust enough to provide strong evidence for that conclusion.”
Let see, the entire leftist media blamed the TEA party and Sarah Palin for the Tucson shooting, could that have had an influence? Naw couldn’t have, the leftist media is so very ethical.
You really need to peruse your own sources (but your first grade reading comprehension denies you that necessity), they punch holes in your ASSertions, but then again, I was not talking of a popularity contest but of a conversation changer and the political debate on the debt and deficit spending that more Americans are against.
You strike out again.
oh lookie, jeffy:
NPR credits the TEA Party: Obama Defuses Default Bomb As Tea Party Changes Re-Election Landscape
If that is not a “conversation changer” and an example of “gaining momentum” (again not a popularity contest), you don’t know what is.
Again, you can fantasize all you want, but you haven’t proven squat (oh, wait other than the TEA Party loses the popularity contest, which was never my point anyway).
I love how you deleted the part where I once again accurately predicted what your response would be. You’re too easy, tired. Even you seem to be dimly aware of this fact.
Moderator: Oh I deleted your juvenile attack. My response has been YOUR RESPONSE – to dismiss a source because of its origins. As predictably, you don’t like it when it is done to you. I am exposing you for the hypocrite you are.
I also see you ignored my other source to prove my point again from NPR. What pathetic little “gotcha” are you going to try next???? Plus you don’t know when to quit. You must be halfway to China by now – remember the first rule of holes…..
Oh, and this was some good comedy, tired:
“I see you missed the sentences in your source article that states: “It’s not clear, on the other hand, that favorable views are decreasing; never been much higher than the low 30s, and that’s roughly where they remain today.”
Uh, nope. As I said, the tea party was never all that popular (as the article points out, “its favorable views have never been much higher than the low 30s”), but unfavorable views of it keep rising (as even you acknowledge the article shows). In other words, I didn’t miss those sentences at all; in fact, they buttress my point.
Reading is fundamental, tired. Unfortunately, it’s a fundamental you flunk time and again.
Moderator: And again, you latch onto some little sentence or theme for a pathetic attempt at a “gotcha”, but ignore the whole picture (and several other sentences in your source article that I pointed out as well). As I stated AGAIN, by “gaining momentum”, I was not talking about a popularity contest. And as I pointed out AGAIN, the TEA Party’s stance on spending and the debt is very favorable with most Americans and they are changing the political conversation. Yes reading is fundamental and you have a major problem with it plus you have zero credibility.
So we have the TEA Party, who by your source say has remained constant in the low 30s. You make the claim that they are not all that popular. So, how would you characterize pResident who started in the mid to high 70s, but now ranks in the low 40s. Hmmmmmm….. I am sure you will skip this little factoid as well.
Moderator: Personal attacks deleted.
Once again, jeffy ignores points made to refute his nonsense. He continues with his vitriol and childish posts. Once again, refute what I have said (I have strengthened my position, while you continue with your VERY WEAK one) you are falling behind, the same tired old regurgitated crap you use does not apply. You continue to call people cowards but you are the one continues dodging and deflecting. Fortunately, your deranged opinion does not counter facts presented.
Meanwhile, I’ll keep another one of jeffy’s pathetic little attempts at deflection and trying to create “gotchas”.
jeffy, monty, avon, bodie, etc. etc.: “PS: Free grammar tip: There’s no such thing as unintentional slander, so your headline, besides being stupid and inaccurate, is repetitiously redundant.”
Moderator: Tell that to a liberal politician who sticks his foot in his mouth and then whines about how he mispoke and did not mean what he said personally. Again, your own libs prove you wrong. You still don’t know the first rule of holes.
No. That is absolutely a lie. People like me do not believe a “Conservatopia” will arise. We believe progressivism/solicialism/marxism/communism/whatever the name of the day is will crash down and be thrown on the ash heap of history where it belongs.
You will have the freedom to whatever you want after the crash. What you won’t have is the freedom to have myself and people like me pay for it. Without taxpayer money liberals are nothing. Never have been never will be.
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An argument built with sraw and string. I am paying in and will never recieve nothing. I am prepared for it. Everyone should be aware by now that this system can not last much longer.
You equate draconian rule with taxpayers not wanting to take care of YOUR family? This is the reason. You are addicted to other peoples money. A hard addiction to break.
Since I am outside of your entitlement system you owe me nothing nor can I take anything from you. I do feel that there must be a strong social safety net for the least of those in society.
There is. It is called family. You will take care of what is yours and I will take care of mine. Is that hard to understand?
calvin esophagus DHE
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ha ha ha ha ha AMF forker.
That is also another argument built with straw and string. Have you nothing better than that? I would be quiet happy to provide any assistance I could, Once you you pass a law saying that I am required to help then it is another matter. Forcing someone to do something even if YOU think it is for thier own good is never going to work.
For those cast out by thier families, there is always the church. Againg you want something for free. Something YOU will not pay for but will allow others to pay for.
Other peoples money must be worse than meth to break the habit of. As exampled by our “friend” here.
Without 50% taxpayer money liberals are nothing. Never have been never will be.
AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen to that!!!
And GMB you would be quite fine walking past the dying on the streets who have been cast out by their families for one reason or antoher. Yet another Conservative fantasy exposed! That “family” in the sense they can accept it is the cure to all ills when often it is the very source of those ills:
calvin esophagus DHE
And GMB you would be quite fine walking past the dying on the streets
for a socialist living in a glass house calvin DHE I would hesitate to hurl accusations if I were you.
HOW MANY DID COMMUNIST / SOCIALIST REGIMES MURDER?
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I do not care how many Stalin and mao killed why no ask a Chinaman or a Russian that question? I am talking about your own people who have failed themselves and killed a living breathing child after torturing her. Are these people not savages??? I am a socialist because i feel that had the State of utah done what it should have Ame Deal would still be alive at the very least.
Moderator: “I am a socialist because i feel that had the State of utah done what it should have Ame Deal would still be alive at the very least.” But you just said that you don’t care about state sponsored murder as in the Mao and Stalin regimes. It seems you are very selective in what you choose to embrace (an ideal non-existent socialism) and choose to look the other way and ignore, Stalin and Mao (real and proven socialism). Pathetic.
Speaking of bigotry, you also see bigotry where you only want to. Your pathetic blog is the prime example. You defend the savages of islam (not all muslims mind you) and their attempts at invoking sharia law on a global scale and yet criticize Christian religions and the IMAGINED Theocracy you claim they want to impose. Your blog is the epitome of religious bigotry.
Do try to keep on topic neocon1
Moderator: Physician heal thyself.
Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J
As a demon journalist,
Bwwwwwwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha
what a dumb LOON!!
calvin esophagus DHE
do tell us what a “demon journalist” is DHE
im DYING to know.
you are already dead and living in hell arent you?
or is the fork really located on fantasy island?
da plane pain da plane.
calvin esophagus DHE
We to mourn any time some one is murdered, we have a criminal justice system to handle that.
would you care to post murders and incarcerations by demographics?
To bad yo lefty loons do not worry one iota about the 55,000,000 BABIES you have murdered in the womb…you ghouls relish it.
calvin esophagus DHE
stupidity is only worthy of stupidity,
tell us what a “demon journalist” is and how you have computers in hell?
do you still think YOU are Satan??
inquiring minds need to know.
calvin esophagus DHE
nor would it have saved the tens of thousands of black kids murdered by each other.
I am far from being the embodiment of Shai’tan my friend as I have respect for the life and comfort of my fellow sentients; I am of that same ancient species! I am a demon and a journalist therefore demon-journalist applies fully.
Moderator: Too hysterical and deluded to delete!!! ROTFLMAO!
“Had the state done……” Again the moral bankruptcy of the progressive world view. States can do nothing. The people that make up the state can do anything if the will is there. Progressiveism kills the will…somebody will do it…if not today…then tommorrow….
Progressivism is taking away the individual responsibility for thier own life. Someone else will take care of you.
The system is coming to an end.
Moderator: I cannot deny what I am no matter how comical it may seem to you. I feel the same way about many of your deepest held beleifs so let us call it evens?
“Had the state of Utah” in this case. Even law enforcement in Phoenix are calling for better coordination between state CPS offices.
now the race baiter whore monger je$$e jackass gets into the fray…
Jesse Jackson: Obama Should Have Been ‘Tougher’ With ‘Extreme’ Right-Wing in Debt Debate
Rev. Jesse Jackson said President Barack Obama should have been “tougher” with Republicans during debt talks. (AP Photo / Steven Senne)
Rev. Jesse Jackson said President Barack Obama should have been “tougher” when dealing with Republicans during deficit negotiations, telling Politico on Friday that Obama has been too compromising and allowed the other side to drive the debate..
I wonder if je$$e still wants to “cut that N****R’s Ba**s off”?
Moderator: I wonder if the trolling forker would consider what Jesse Jackson said as racist or bigoted???
Moderator: Completely off topic. Must be a slow day at the Pitchfork (again) with all the ZERO comments on most if not all of the threads.
I am talking about your own people who have failed themselves and killed a living breathing child after torturing her. Are these people not savages??? – cavalor
And how does that differ from supporting late term abortions? Didn’t Obama support the killing, oh excuse me, the abortion of a child that was breathing outside the womb?
Cav, do you think Obama is a savage?
How will the TEA Party respond to President Obama using his executive authority to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling??
By voting him out of office in 2012. Was that difficult to come up with on your own?
impeach the kenyan muslem
It is a riot that THESE are the very people calling the TEA party racists..
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
by Frances Rice
It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.
I am wondering if Cavalor or Diane could explain the following position of Harry Reid, and other democrats, as it relates to this current debate:
“If my Republican friends believe that increasing our debt by almost $800 billion today and more than $3 trillion over the last five years is the right thing to do, they should be upfront about it. They should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy.
“How can the Republican majority in this Congress explain to their constituents that trillions of dollars in new debt is good for our economy? How can they explain that they think it’s fair to force our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to finance this debt through higher taxes. That’s what it will have to be. Why is it right to increase our nation’s dependence on foreign creditors?
“They should explain this. Maybe they can convince the public they’re right. I doubt it. Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstances, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it. Democrats won’t be making argument to supper this legalization, which will weaken our country. Weaken our county.” – Harry Reid
It doesn’t matter now Cluster. That was when they had a Republican president, now all bets are off. I remember when Bush had is first >$400 billion deficit and the liberals, like Harry Reid and obAMATEUR went nuts. Now they are predictably silent with their $1.5 trillion deficits.
When Reid was asked by David Gregory, about his hypocrisy on his 2007 statement, vs those statements he has said recently, he responded by saying:
“I don’t know what you;re talking about”
Question – do liberals really think that we aren’t paying attention? The only way Obama gets elected is if he can wipe out the memory of American over the last couple of years. However, people like Cavalor have evidently volunteered in giving up their frontal lobe.
Precisely tiredoflibbs just like when you wanted WAR WAR WAR and had a GOP president all thoughts of balanced budgets and debt was secondary to making someone pay for 9/11.
Maybe in some narrow, partisan circles, that line of thinking is applauded. But here in the real world, conservatives never did support the spending by the GOP congress, hence their defeat in 2006. Conservatives do believe in protecting our way of life, but from Jan 2007 to Jan 2011, Nancy Pelosi and liberals controlled the purse strings, and they also proportioned money for the wars.
By the way Diane, what is the meaning of the alphabet soup following your name? Are you so insecure that labels make you feel better?
Diane, oh yes, that was why we went to war “to make someone pay” and not to protect this country from further attacks from Al Qaeda.
Way to deflect from the subject. Go back to the fork where you can respond to all your bloggers …. oh wait you can’t when no one responds to your hatred, just fellow forkers patting each other on the back.
Does anyone actually post at the Fork? Or is just one big circle jerk?
Collecting more than they spend
Ethel C. Fenig
Sh-h-h! Don’t tell anyone, especially you-know-who but, as Matt Rosoff of Business Insider explains
Apple Now Has More Cash Than the U.S. Government
Why? The answer is so simple that even a first grader in a government funded school–but not a Harvard Law School graduate and his acolytes–could figure out.
That’s because Apple collects more money than it spends, while the U.S. government does not.
I certainly can explain it as soon as you can explain why President Bush signed bills to raise the debt ceiling 7 times.
Is there a debt ceiling increase amount that you would oppose? Is $17 trillion too much debt? How about $50 trillion? Would you be ok with raising the debt ceiling to $50 trillion? And was Harry Reid right to oppose the previous debt ceiling increase?
Yes Bush raised the debt ceiling just like every other President (with the exception of Truman).
Bush seven times in eight years for $6.2 trillion. = $ 780 billion/year
Obamateur IN TWO YEARS: 3 times for $3.8 trillion = $1.9 trillion/year.
Update: If this debt deal goes through +$2.4 trillion. So that make the current total for obAMATEUR:
$6.2 trillion in less than THREE years. He is outspending Bush’s EIGHT in just a short time.
And yet the mindless drones continue with well “Bush….Bush….Bush…” did this and “Reagan…Reagan…Reagan..” did that and IGNORE what their guy does which is turning out far worse.
Yes that puts it into perspective.
Cluster I felt opposing raising the debt ceiling to pay for a war of choice was a worthwhile political stance, The TEA party caucus cannot even show solidarity in standing in Obama’s way as he tries to save the US economy from ruin. There was no Great Recession yet in 2006. Many of you here said there would be no Recession until it became politically expedient for you to say so in late 2008. Whatever the global markets can bear is how high I think the ceiling should go. If Norway the UK and China can absord $50 trillion in US bonds then I say go for it.
Must be looney tune sarurday. See what you get for mentioning wabbitts.
a slow day at the fork….the whole damn bunch is looney.
You do realize it’s just one loon and a series of sock-puppets right? Only one person reads/writes that delusional forker crap from the comfort of mommy’s basement.
He sometimes “blogs” as several sock-puppets from the local wi-fi, but mostly from home as he’s too fat and out of shape to actually walk anywhere, and he smells so offensive from his diet of milk and Cheetos that when he does go out in public he’s often asked to leave. He’s constantly out of breath and sweaty from carrying his laptop and Star-Trek Lunchbox to the public transportation.