Some Thoughts on the State of Things

Sorry I kinda left the blog hanging during the GOP Convention – had a long-planned vacation to go see family and this time, something moved me to not bring my laptop along with me. As I am technologically limited, I never could figure out how to post from a smart phone or tablet, and this meant I couldn’t do any commentary while I was away.

I don’t feel bad about this, at all.

I do, however, feel bad – well, upset is a better word – about the overall situation.

Now that the GOP is officially the Party of Trump, I’m really just waiting for a new, Conservative party to arise. That, I think, is where the crux of the matter is – we don’t have a Conservative party. And 2016 shows that in the GOP, we never really had one. I guess we all sort of forgot that Reagan’s Conservatism was never favored by the overall GOP, nor by the GOP leadership. To be sure, he was a tonic against Carter and then when things went very well in his first term everyone was on board for four more years…but in spite of all Reagan’s gifts, he never moved the party fundamentally to the right. In 1988 we all loyally trooped to the polls to elect the Elder Bush, who had been a loyal VP for 8 years, and that was pretty much that – the right was out of the business of running the GOP. Since then, it has been a mere series of frustrations as Conservative policy ideas were watered down or shoved aside in the name of keeping ourselves viable at election time…and the best showing we’ve had nationally since then was W’s 51% of the vote in 2004. And, meanwhile, the nation hasn’t just drifted left, but has gone hard left as fast as it could, absent complete Progressive control of all branches of government.

In light of this, Trump isn’t a freakish event, but a culmination – something which was bound to happen. You see, the only way to have prevented Trump was to have a Conservative party all these years pushing the United States to the right. Had that been the case, then the working class would not have been alienated; immigration – legal and illegal – never would have got out of control; American power would have been effectively used to keep the peace; the economy would be strong and growing; etc and so on and on. As we have had a Progressive series of governments with, at best, only a short tap on the breaks from time to time via Conservative opposition, we have all the things which have gone wrong – and have called forth a demagogue who at least addresses the issue of how lousy things are (even if he never addresses the issue of how to actually make America great again). Remember, we almost got a full-on Progressive version of Trump in the form of Bernie Sanders as the Democrat nominee…recent revelations confirm what we all suspected: it took the united and relentless activity of the entire Democrat establishment to ensure that Hillary got the nomination…anything short of that and we’d be discussing Bernie’s choice of some Che Guevara clone for VP.

The election is still officially Hillary’s to lose – Trump, on the face of it, has a nearly insurmountable task ahead of him. Unless things are so screwed up in the American electorate that people – many of whom haven’t voted much or at all for decades out of disgust – that a majority is willing to take a spin with Trump, just to see what happens, and on the theory that it can’t possibly be worse than whatever Hillary would cook up for us. Anecdotes aren’t evidence, but I know more than one two time Obama voter who is eager to pull the lever for Trump. And that is among people who vote – I’ve been wondering out loud for months now if there is an even larger block of people who don’t vote (or rarely vote) feeling the same way.

Be that as it may, whether Trump or Hillary emerges victorious on November 8th, the fundamental problem will still remain that we don’t have a Conservative party. To be sure, I think that with Trump Conservatism will have more opportunities to slam on the breaks from time to time, but the general thrust of things will still be towards the left. Until we start to change the direction of American policy, doom still awaits us. We simply must get a Conservative party – perhaps there is still a chance of a Conservative take-over of the GOP (especially if Trump flames out in November), but I’m getting ever more doubtful of it. But take over the GOP or start a new party, the task of Conservatives is to create a political vehicle whereby Conservatism – unhindered by Progressivism – is brought to the American people in stark contrast to the way we currently do business. Eventually, our time must come – because this rotten system cannot forever sustain itself by a mixture of debt, fake money and corruption. It will fall apart – and if we have a Conservative party clean of it all, then the people will turn to us (even if in mere desperation) when things do finally go smash.

Meanwhile, we’ve just got to grin and bear it through 2016 – vote your conscience, as Cruz suggested. But, also, if I may offer a bit of advice, don’t get too wrapped up in the Trump vs Hillary contest. It also isn’t too productive, in my view, to get so angry about Trump that we forget that it is Progressivism, as such, which is the enemy…what I mean is don’t get so anti-Trump that you start to work out in practical terms to be pro-Hillary. No, a refusal to vote Trump is not an automatic vote for Hillary…but taking Progressive talking points and making out that Conservatives agree with them is to attempt to throw the election to Hillary. Stay away from that, if you can. Despise Trump until the cows come home, if that pleases you…but, remember, any credibility the right provides to Progressivism is yet another nail in Conservatism’s coffin. The right can never ally with the left – not even for a moment; they will take our help in dispatching whatever enemy they’ve currently got, and then turn ruthlessly on those on the right who helped them.

Finally, be of good cheer. No matter how lousy things look, never fall into despair. Remember, Conservatism is right – it is the correct world view. While I understand we’ve got some fellow Conservatives who don’t believe in God, let’s not forget the fact that almost all Conservatives do believe in God…and, because of this, we know we’re going to win, in the end.

41 thoughts on “Some Thoughts on the State of Things

  1. Retired Spook July 24, 2016 / 9:02 am

    Regardless of who wins, this election cycle is going to result in a political realignment like nothing any of us have seen in our lifetime. I think you are correct in that this may well bring out people who have never voted before, or who haven’t voted in a long time, the majority of whom are likely to be voting for Trump. I say that simply because I can’t imagine anyone saying, “Hillary’s the candidate I’ve been waiting for my whole life. She’s going to do things for me and for the country that no candidate has ever done. Our government is hopelessly broken and corrupt, and Hillary is the person who can fix it.” In fact, while realizing that there are a great many people on the Left with half a brain, I can’t imagine anyone with half a brain saying that to themselves.

    Just a side note — there’s still a wild card out there, actually two wild cards. The FBI now has a criminal referral from Congress that Hillary lied multiple times during her sworn congressional testimony, and, during his questioning by Congress, FBI Director Comey was asked about the investigation into the Clinton Foundation, and he refused to answer any questions about it. Best case scenario (for Hillary), Trump uses both of those to his advantage; worst case – well, use you imagination.

    • Amazona July 24, 2016 / 10:03 am

      Fortunately, Trump chose a running mate who can actually talk. Pence is articulate and can talk without making faces, and he might be able to explain Hillary’s crimes and misdemeanors better than Trump, who is pretty much stuck on a couple of short phrases.

      (Note to archivists: Be sure to purge all the snotty comments Republicans have made about how incoherent Obama is without a teleprompter. In the Era Of Trump we don’t want to be reminded of how we used to feel about that.)

      • Retired Spook July 24, 2016 / 11:04 am

        And of course now the ticket can appeal to both rational and irrational people. Who knows — that may be enough to actually win. I still keep thinking about Trump’s comment to the NYT that he might not actually serve if elected, and a President Pence wouldn’t be all that bad.

  2. Amazona July 24, 2016 / 9:37 am

    I’m not as doubtful as you are about a revolt within the Republican Party. Its success is not a given, but there is such anger within the party that there will be an effort.

    The way I saw it, until Trump started his gutter campaign of sliming every possible opponent and providing an alternative to true conservatism with his double whammy of fake issues “conservatism” and the chance to treat politics like a WWE Raw event, there was a general sense of relief and optimism in the heart of the party that we finally had a true conservative bench to draw from in this election. When he started to steamroller over the competition with the sheer mass of his nastiness and the GOP establishment saw him as a way to take out the one threat they really saw to their ongoing dominance of the party (Cruz) millions of Republicans were left shaking our heads and wondering what the hell had just happened to derail our conservative chances.

    What we saw was party leaders who were more focused on holding onto their positions and power than in winning the election or paying even lip service to conservatism. And I think that is what is going to fuel a rebellion within the party.

    That is one factor. The other is the revelation of the hypocrisy of so many in the party. How anyone could refuse to vote for Mitt Romney, either on the basis of his religion or his lack of strong conservative credentials, and then turn right around and become a Trumpkin, is inexplicable. This has created a huge schism within the party. The so-called “evangelicals” who refused to vote for Romney because he was the “wrong kind” of Christian, and then fell in line behind a man with a proud history of sinfulness who said he had never felt the need to ask for forgiveness for anything and whose only claim to being Christian was that he had “eaten that little cracker” earned scorn and contempt and lost credibility as conservatives. The shallowness of their religious convictions, as related to politics, was made clear, and the direction they shoved the party with their hypocrisy has created a lot of distrust and hard feelings. The word “evangelical” is now tainted and linked with “hypocrisy” and I think this shift away from respect will have an impact on the evolution of the party.

    What happened is that the elites of the GOP, increasingly arrogant because they had been in power for so long and gotten away with so much, overplayed their hand. This election cycle has been a series of mistakes, one after another, showing the ineptitude and corruption of the party leadership, and I don’t think it will take that much to topple it.

    The party’s entire primary process has proved itself to be such a complete and utter mess, it has enraged millions of Republicans. What was probably a last-ditch effort back in 2012 to keep delegates in line behind Romney—tying them to their state votes in the primary—-in 2016 looked like a corrupt power play designed to keep the significant majority of anti-Trump Republicans silent and depriving them of a voice. That did not sit well, does not sit well, and is still festering.

    The absurdity of a system which says that in a state where 80% of the voters voted against a certain candidate that state’s delegates must vote for that candidate, and that any vote for anyone else WILL be counted as a vote FOR him, was finally made clear. The fake Rules Committee charade in which discourse was shut down and people were not allowed to make their cases will be exposed for what it was—–nothing more than a pretense at giving party members a voice. The insanity of a party leadership that keeps saying that primary votes don’t count and it is up to the delegates to choose a nominee, while rigging the system so delegates have no choice, was finally made clear. We saw how the sausage was made, and it was ugly.

    As for the Party of Trump, to most of the Trumpkins that is all it ever was—-a party, and now it’s over and they are kind of adrift. Why else are so many of them, including Trump, still in primary mode? Because they were in it for the mud wrestling, not the serious stuff, that’s why. Trump got his adoring acolytes jumping up and down on their chairs screeching for blood by attacking Cruz, so that’s what he is still doing. Trumpkins are not ideologues. They will slope off down the road for any shiny thing that catches their attention, without the slightest foundation of actual political philosophy. They are Identity Politics people. They are grasshoppers. And the party will be rebuilt by ants.

    • M. Noonan July 24, 2016 / 11:06 pm

      I guess that is a vote by you for a continued effort to capture the GOP – which does have it’s advantages, given that it is already national and has a massive infrastructure for running campaigns. I’d much rather start with the GOP – and if we do have to go a new party, then I mostly envision it as hijacking a substantial portion of the existing GOP.

      • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:31 pm

        The GOP is already reeling. The party elites are realizing that the hostility toward them is not only not fading or morphing into a giddy “Thank You For Foisting Trump Upon Us Over Our Objections” party with ice cream cake and balloons, it is getting itself organized. Their wishful thinking is taking a hit as Trump is just Trumping all over the place, making stupid comments and still running his primary mudslinging gutter campaign against people who aren’t even talking about him, much less running against him.

        Their only hope has been that he would, somehow, win and make their corruption and manipulations look like good planning. Now they are starting to realize that even if he does win, they will still be stuck with a President Trump, and that is starting to look less ideal by the day.

        There is simply no way for an outside third party to develop and assume a position of power without bleeding off Republican seats in Congress, handing control over to the Dems. The only rational approach is to keep the brand but replace the leadership.

  3. Amazona July 24, 2016 / 1:36 pm

    One job of true conservatives is going to be educating people that conservatism is not about where you stand on a certain issue but on how you believe it has to be addressed.

    For example, a stance of wanting to cut down on crime could be achieved by eliminating due process and simply picking up bad guys and people who might be bad guys and putting them away for good, or killing them. The issue itself is fine, but merely being in favor of a desirable issue does not make one a conservative, and supporting someone who has an acceptable stance on issues but a solution that violates the Constitution means he is is a Progressive, and so are his supporters.

    The nation has been led down the primrose path of issues and Identity Politics, by a very smart and focused Left and by the Complicit Agenda Media, aided by the dumbing down of America consisting in part of not teaching about the Constitution, which is how we got to where we are today. Just like the Left, Trump people have no real political philosophy, just a seething mass of emotions and issues pushing, pulling and prodding them.

    The emotions backing up support for Trump, other than the WWE/UFC mentality that just loves cage matches and chair throwing and trash talk, are perfectly valid. It’s the mechanism for addressing them that is flawed. Every anti-Trump person has the same concerns, the same complaints, the same angers, the same fears. The difference is that one faction has chosen to blindly and loyally get in line behind the guy who articulates those fears and angers in simplistic ways, offering simplistic “solutions”, while the other has stood back in dismay at the mob mentality that ensued and tried, valiantly, to interject some rational thought and adherence to Constitutional formats for addressing these concerns.

    We can’t diss Trump—he is an idol now, and furthermore has become bulletproof as far as his fanboys are concerned, who —like Hillaryites—-see every criticism as nothing but a mean spirited and valueless personal attack that can never be evaluated for its content but must be immediately, aggressively, belligerently stopped. Trump’s own dismissal of people who were not impressed by his speech as being nothing but “haters” is part of this phenomenon. Everything is reduced to an emotional basis and from there locked into a primitive them-vs-us mentality. This is very effective at blocking actual thought.

    We already know that Trump is going to back down on probably every one of his firebrand stir-up-the-crowd proclamations, He has already admitted to that regarding some of them admitting that he never meant something seriously but only threw it out there to “start negotiations”. Some of his base will be disgusted by this, but I think most, who simply love him for the fact that he is Donald Trump no matter what he says or does (in spite of their insistence that no, they are not giddy fans kissing his poster before going to sleep at night but really like his POSITIONS) will meekly be dragged along in his wake as he vacillates from one position to another and back again, and it will be up to us to point out where some of those positions are right and some need tweaking.

    • Amazona July 24, 2016 / 2:31 pm

      There are examples of how blind emotion can, and does, simply shut down questioning and rational thinking. One example is a question, or series of questions, that came to my mind during the Obama run-up to the presidency.

      When the questions of his birthplace and eligibility for the presidency came up, I found some things that, to me were waving big red flags all over the place, but every time I tried to investigate I ran into the brick wall of Obama Defense Mechanism, and my questions were not treated as simple requests for information but as vicious partisan attacks THAT MUST BE SILENCED.

      There were actions taken in Hawaii that, if in a suspense novel or movie would have been central to a plot that included sinister conspiracies. I fully realize that most of what happens in government is not sinister but merely what happens when incompetent people are given power, but still, the questions persisted.

      They basically centered around the Certificate of Live Birth. Early in Obama campaign, there was information online about this document. It was explained as a way to ensure that native Hawaiians—-that is, people born to citizens of Hawaii—would be able to prove that status even if they happened to be born away from the islands. This was important because Hawaii encountered a lot of resistance to becoming a state and wanted to set aside certain benefits of being “Hawaiian” that would not be available to outsiders or newcomers. There was plenty online about this thought process and the way it was addressed in the legislature.

      Their solution was to create a document, abbreviated as the COLB, which in the roster of state laws had a subtitle: For People Born Outside the State. That was very very clear. It had one purpose and one purpose only. The law stated that the only investigation allowed into the information on the application form was whether or not the parents were both citizens/residents of Hawaii at the time of the child’s birth. Period. It was not legal for the state to inquire about the truth of any other information provided on the form. Again, very clear. In other words, if the application said the child was born on Mars, still the only thing the state could look into was whether his parents were legal citizens/residents of Hawaii before they got on the space ship.

      This led me, at least, to the understanding that if little Jimmy Smith was born in Hawaii his birth certificate would prove him to be a citizen as well and allowed the benefits thereof. However, if his parents were both citizens/residents of Hawaii and he was born while his mother was in, say, Vermont, his parents, or grandparents, or he himself if he wanted to when he got older, could file for a COLB and show that his parents were citizens/residents at the time of his birth, conveying that status to him. Therefore, under the law written at or near the time of Hawaii’s becoming a state, the ONLY reason to want or apply for or have a COLB would be if one was born outside the state but wanted to establish a certain status within the state.

      But then some interesting things happened. I wanted to learn the order of events, but these inquiries hit that brick wall of opposition I mentioned. At this time I was motivated only by intellectual curiosity—-I like to know how things work and why things happen.

      So, in no order I could establish, several things happened.

      Officials of the State of Hawaii started to claim that when someone who had been born in the state, who had a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate, wanted a copy of this certificate, the old system of simply copying the original and certifying it as a legitimate copy was replaced by issuing a COLB in lieu of an actual copy of the information presumably on the original certificate. The claim was that this was the procedure for every request for a copy of a BC. The problem with this was that the state was now issuing what was in effect a worthless document, one which could be used to show both that one was born outside the state and that he was born in the state. It became so meaningless that many of the institutions intended to convey special privileges to native Hawaiians refused to honor the COLB as proof of that status.

      I just wondered why. Completely aside from the legal status of Obama, which I had already figured didn’t matter because his followers didn’t care, this was just an interesting mystery to me. Often when something seems to make no sense, with a little questioning and a couple of answers it suddenly does, so I wondered why the system of issuing copies of birth certificates used by every other state, and by Hawaii up until some unstated date, had been replaced with a system that required more work to create and did not give the information on the original (which was often what was required) and which, by the way, had two completely opposite and contradictory purposes.

      OMG, the shrieks of outrage at asking this question were enough to make ears bleed! I couldn’t even ASK the question without coming under vicious personal attack!

      Then a couple of other things happened. One was that people started to come out of the woodwork saying no, when they asked for copies of their Hawaiian birth certificates they got actual copies of the certificates, not COLBs. One was that the heading of the law as it showed up online no longer contained the subtitle For People Born Outside the State. That was just gone. And one was the disappearance of the old articles explaining why the COLB had been devised.

      Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser. In a book or movie this sequence of events would be tied together to explain something, but in real life the furor stirred up by even the most innocent curiosity was not only overwhelming, it was overkill. It was so extreme, to me it just called more attention to the questions.

      This is kind of what we run into from Trumpkins. No question is met with an answer, just a squealing personal attack claiming there is something wrong with the questioner.. It’s the New Right’s version of the “massive right-wing conspiracy”.

  4. Bob Eisenhower July 24, 2016 / 3:26 pm

    As Amazona and I discussed in the last post, I’m throwing my hat to the Libertarian party. Of course, I have no expectation of winning, but my vote is not a symbolic anti-Trump or anti-GOP gesture. I hope enough Conservatives join to gather 15% of the vote, which will turn them from a fringe party fighting to be on ballots to a mainstream party at the debates.

    Let’s face it. As Mark points out, the GOP is dead. Maybe there will be that revolution from within but I am dubious.

    As for whether the votes siphoned from the GOP to the Libertarians will send the election to Hillary I answer, “so what?”

    Amazona feels a Hillary presidency would be far worse than a Trump presidency but I think it is the difference between a grenade blowing off all your limbs vs. leaving one leg. Sure, technically having the leg is better but it isn’t like one would say, “Whew, that could have been bad but thank goodness I’ve got my leg.”

    Trump presidency? Hillary presidency\/ Yeah, I think they both be a nightmare. Considering the nightmare ahead, regardless you anyone’s vote, I use my vote to make a viable new home for Conservatives. I hope many/most Conservatives do the same.

    Let’s Make Conservatism Great Again, in the Libertarian Party.

    • M. Noonan July 24, 2016 / 11:03 pm

      Don’t think I can ever go Libertarian. I am totally with them in their professed defense of maximum liberty, but I must insist – as a Conservative – in a properly ordered liberty. You know – where people understand that freedom is the ability to do the right thing.

      • Retired Spook July 24, 2016 / 11:24 pm

        freedom is the ability to do the right thing

        And that’s where character comes in — as J. C. Watts famously said, “character is doing the right thing when no one’s looking.” One of the most common tenets of Libertarianism is that it’s OK as long as no one gets hurt. To me that attitude just shows a lack of character.

      • M. Noonan July 24, 2016 / 11:27 pm

        That’s it – they want everyone to be able to do what they want, even if its the wrong thing. To be sure, Christians are to show Christian tolerance of sin (because, after all, even the best Christian falls seven times a day), but the basic thrust of society should be condemnation of what is wrong and approval for what is right…not neutrality.

    • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 12:51 am

      “I use my vote to make a viable new home for Conservatives.”

      Yeah, but I don’t think that is what it will really do.

      Believe me, I have given a lot of thought to the immediate gratification of walking out of the GOP. But then I thought it over. For example, having a majority in Congress means a lot. It means committee chairmanships, it means having more to say about what bills make it to the floor for votes. Even siphoning off three or four Senate seats from the GOP to any other party, or even some from the GOP and some from the Dems, could easily mean handing over that majority position to the opposition and losing that power and authority.

      I know you are proud of your metaphors, but so far I haven’t seen one that is even remotely relevant. Perhaps we just have very different ideas of what we want from a president, what a president can and cannot do, and which characteristics are tolerable and which are deal breakers. Having four years of Jimmy Carter was hardly comparable to having a leg blown off, and he was a mess. Four years of ideologue Obama, with his specific Leftist goals, did far more damage than Carter ever did. The additional four years just built on that, and Hillary will continue to build on it. I don’t think Trump will. Trump will be a mess in many ways, He will be effective in many ways. He will always be an embarrassment. He will always be an idiot. He will always be incoherent. But overall, the way things have been going lately, I kind of look forward to a president who doesn’t do much. Hillary will do a lot.

      Trump is a newbie who needed a new source of admiration, and the presidency is the biggest cherry on top of the biggest sundae in the world. For him it is an ego trip, but it is new to him and not based on a long-lived and carefully planned political philosophy. Hillary, on the other hand, has spent 50 years of so as a hard-core radical Leftist ideologue, planning and plotting how she will change the nation and bring it closer to Leftist utopian glory. For all her many faults, she is smart enough and focused enough to do it.

      I believe that having Hillary as president will be a guarantee of disaster to the nation, lasting far beyond her term, as she puts one radical Liberal after another onto the Supreme Court. I am looking down the road, not just at the immediate future. I know you are ignoring this, as it has been said over and over again and you act as if it has never been brought up (either that or you don’t find it important) but while we know what Hillary will do, regarding nominees, we don’t know what Trump will do and we do have a promise from him, along with a specific list of specific people, naming who he will consider for the Court.

      You clearly don’t see the difference between an offensive bumbler and a hard-eyed committed ideologue, so you don’t see a difference in the kinds of problems each will bring to the office if elected. So go vote Libertarian. Maybe Gary will let you play strip poker with him, or practice your pole dancing.

      “As for whether the votes siphoned from the GOP to the Libertarians will send the election to Hillary I answer, “so what?” We know without a doubt that a President Clinton will trash the Constitution even more than Obama has, and appoint three or four SCOTUS justices who will carry on the damage till long after she is dead. We don’t know that about Trump. That’s what.

      • Bob Eisenhower July 25, 2016 / 12:45 pm

        Perhaps I do not see the difference between an offensive bumbler and a hard-eyed committed ideologue as you say. You know, they say the Nagasaki bomb was worse than the Hiroshima one but the results were the same.

        It is odd you hang your hat on SC nominations when Trump’s ardently pro-choice sister might be his first nominee. What’s that? He already sent in a list of candidates? Oh, ok, then I guess I’m wrong, the matter is settled. What’s that again, voice in my head? Trump always does what he wants, damn whatever list he publicly released? Oh, ok, abortion isn’t just gonna stay legal, it will be mandatory.

        And yes, Congress will lose some Republicans. Hopefully they’ll find a home in the new Conservative party, the Libertarians.

        To those who say the Libertarians are no good because they don’t actively stop moral wrongs, the issue isn’t whether their philosophy is 100% in line with yours. Certainly the Republican philosophy no longer is in line with yours. The issue is finding a home for Conservatism that can, in a relatively short time, retake the White House and Congress and lead with Conservative ideals.

      • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:18 pm

        Bob, we are at a disadvantage here, as only you have a copy of Over The Top Outrageous Irrelevant Hyperbole. Can we get an e-book format so we can catch up? I’ve tried my hand at it and so far have come up with: “What is the difference between Hillary and Donnie? That’s like what is the difference between the sun exploding and the Earth being hit by a 60-ton meteor. Either way we will all be vaporized and not only will life as we know it cease to exist the Earth will as well. Exactly the same outcome of either a Clinton or a Trump presidency.”

        Except your personal version seems to be: “There is no difference between the size, scope or impact of a Clinton presidency and that of a Trump presidency so I am going to give my vote to a splinter group that has branded itself as lunatic fringe in its last convention because it will make me feel better.:

        And I say “Good on you, Bob. Go for it.”

        Oh, BTW, a few years back Trump mentioned in one of his free-form brain farts that he thought his sister would be a great SCOTUS justice. He never said he would nominate her, much less that she would be his first nomination. On the contrary, now that he has an R permanently sewn onto his lapel to replace the Velcroed one (I think he sent the new one out to be gilded and BeDazzled) he has said no, he would not nominate her.

        Do liars lie? Yes they do. Is Trump a liar? Yes, he is. However, he has a lot riding on appearing to be a good president, after all his bragging, and I don’t think he is going to throw it all away early in the game. He read off a list and made a promise that all his nominees would come from that list. It is hardly carved in stone but still a better chance than we would get from Shrillary, who has said SHE thinks Obama would be a wonderful justice.

        However, since you are convinced that he will lie about this, why don’t you stop haranguing us about how the difference between Clinton and Trump is like the difference between weaponized smallpox and weaponized anthrax, and just tell us just how the Libertarians can assume the conservative wing of the GOP without the GOP losing its majority status in Congress and therefore handing it over to the Dems. I am sure you have done a lot of studying on the role of the minority third parties in the British Parliament, for example. Perhaps you think there is great value in having enough members to be able to sell your support to one party or another, to swing things one way or another. I am sure it will be a fascinating argument.

  5. Retired Spook July 25, 2016 / 8:28 am

    Just when I finally rationalize to the point where I think I can hold my nose tight enough to vote for Trump, I read something like this and I’m back to square one. If he’s this vindictive against two men he’s already defeated, how will he use the force of government to punish his enemies, or even just people he perceives to have slighted him, if he’s elected?

    • Bob Eisenhower July 25, 2016 / 1:47 pm

      if you liked Nixon’s famous Enemies List, you’re gonna LOOOVE Trump’s Revenge List. Just openly states he’s going to crush his enemies.

      This is exactly why Conservatives simply cannot hold their noses and vote Trump. You WILL regret it in the futre and you all know it.

      Mark pointed out the #NeverTrump movement failed because there was no one to coalesce around. Same thing here. We Conservatives MUST coalesce around something, and Trump and his GOP ain’t it.

      Register and vote Libertarian.

      • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 3:28 pm

        I’m more thinking @SMOD2016, myself…

      • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:35 pm

        Bob, your argument would hold a little more water if we had not already experienced the Clinton Hit List in action. Donnie’s spiteful vindictiveness is no surprise—–many of us have been warning about it for months. But it is no worse that the Hildebeast’s.

  6. Retired Spook July 25, 2016 / 1:25 pm

    This just warms the cockles of my heart.

    • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 3:27 pm

      Tweet of the day on that comes from David Burge (@iowahawkblog): “DWS to Reince: you call that a shitshow? Stand back and watch THIS”

      • Retired Spook July 25, 2016 / 4:50 pm

        DWS has a record that may never be equaled: 12 governorships lost, 69 U.S. House seats lost, 13 U.S. Senate seats lost and over 900 state legislature seats lost. I’m sorry to see her go.

      • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 7:00 pm

        Worst defeat for the GOP in a generation…

      • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:36 pm

        “Worst defeat for the GOP in a generation…"

        ??????? Are you predicting the outcome of the election or referring to the great loss of DWS?

  7. casper3031 July 25, 2016 / 6:18 pm

    Can’t wait to see Trump AG Christie investigate Ted Cruz, Ohio Gov. John Katich, and anyone else who ticked Trump off. I’d be careful what you say, you could be next.

    • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 7:00 pm

      Well, as Obama has already weaponized all departments of the US government – to Progressive applause – we’re not going to be worse off if Trump gets in…

    • Retired Spook July 25, 2016 / 7:24 pm

      Can’t wait to see Trump AG Christie investigate Ted Cruz, Ohio Gov. John Katich

      Why, did they do something wrong?

  8. casper3031 July 25, 2016 / 7:07 pm

    Except Trump will go after his own party.

    • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 7:43 pm

      Like I said, no difference – our party has been gone after for nearly 8 years by Obama…

    • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:46 pm

      Yeah, Trump will Trump around and have his little snit parties and no one will pay attention, and he will get someone else elected after making himself the biggest laughingstock of the entire history of US presidents. He is NOT “the party” and a little more of his going after other Republicans will get the whole party working to rein him in.

      All I care about is a Republican majority to pass important bills that are not vetoed, and a couple of good SCOTUS nominees. Other than that, I couldn’t care less what Trump does. He’s not gonna launch nukes. He’s not gonna deport millions. He’s not gonna sic the IRS on people. He is big fat slobby peroxided bag of wind who will have a lot less power than he thinks he will.

      And you can sit back and titter, as you do, and your girlish little tee-hees will not matter either.

      • M. Noonan July 25, 2016 / 11:23 pm

        People are thinking in waaaay too extreme a manner about Trump. He is vulgar. He is ignorant of many crucial aspects of American law. He does shoot from the hip. But he’s no more a budding tyrant than, say, Obama has been…and likely would be less of one.

      • Amazona July 26, 2016 / 7:15 am

        You are doing what other Trump apologists do, and explaining what he really THINKS no matter what he says.

        Up to a point, I agree with you. I don’t think Trump has gone into this with the idea that he wants to be another Lenin. However, he is used to being The Boss, used to being the one who makes decisions and tells other people how it is going to be, and everything he has said in his campaign has indicated that same attitude toward being Chief Executive of the nation. It has been “I will do this” and “I will do that” and “If I hope I can find someone who can work with Congress so I won’t have to use Executive Orders to do what I want to do”.

        Cruz came into this with the first priority being to start governing according to the Constitution, and everything he said was centered on how it would have to be done constitutionally. Trump, on the other hand, has only made a passing comment about the Constitution, overshadowed by his Me Me Me I I I rhetoric.

        Even Obama had his mobs cheering “Yes we can” while Trumpkins bellowed “Yes YOU can”.

        When he doesn’t get his own way he pouts and then strikes out. Look at how much of the time his face looks like that of a surly toddler with a full diaper. His narcissism tells him no one has the right to disagree with him. He is still putting together vendettas against people who ran against him, people in his own party—though to be fair, it’s been his party for such a short time he might not think of it with any loyalty. His closest advisers think not supporting him is tantamount to actual treason and worthy of hanging. The entire Trump Phenomenon is one of elevating a person to the heights, one of Identity Politics taken to a rather scary extreme.

        I spent some time yesterday talking with two Trumpkins who, when faced with something he had said or done, had the same basic response: “Well, that’s not really what he meant.” He was never held responsible for a single thing. He was taken out of context, he didn’t really mean that, the wrong spin was put on that, that’s not what he meant to say, blah blah blah. There was also some admiration for his shady business dealings—“that’s what you have to do to get ahead”. His fans are more scary than he is.

        You can have a tyrant who has plotted to be a tyrant, or you can have one who evolves into more and more despotism due to a toxic brew of narcissism and adoration of his fans who never hold him accountable for anything. Up to a point, anyway, there isn’t much difference between a cold-eyed dictator and a spoiled brat with a massive sense of entitlement and full-blown narcissism.

      • M. Noonan July 26, 2016 / 11:41 am

        Trump does have a despotic character, that I grant – but unlike Obama, there is in him not just a willingness but even a desire that the other guy get something out of the deal. Whether what he gets is worthwhile is another story, but Trump’s whole “thing” is that everyone gets something. This is different from Obama who has been determined since Day One that only Obama will get anything – and the other side must not only get nothing, but must be forced to pay a price for even thinking they should get something.

      • Amazona July 26, 2016 / 11:09 pm

        “…there is in him not just a willingness but even a desire that the other guy get something out of the deal. ..”

        Ask the people who bought pre-paid condos in proposed Trump developments where they never even broke ground, who never got their money back. Ask the people who lost everything in Trump bankruptcies. Ask the people pressured to sell everything and max out their credit cards to keep adding to the “levels” in Trump “University” (described by a federal investigator as a “classic Ponzi scheme”) when it turned out it was all a fraud.

        I am constantly amazed at how people keep buying into his crap. He says something and there are always people who think “Wow, that MUST be true!”

    • Amazona July 25, 2016 / 8:40 pm

      Yeah, I can see why you would consider this “great”. Even why you would consider it an “interview”. But the real question is, “Where is the conservative in this chaos and jibberjabber?”

      You really watch some weird and shallow stuff, cappy.

      • casper3031 July 25, 2016 / 11:38 pm

        Yea, I even read your stuff.

      • Amazona July 26, 2016 / 6:58 am


  9. Retired Spook July 26, 2016 / 5:36 pm

    This is something that I just do not understand. Perhaps there’s a Democrat out there who can explain it.

  10. Retired Spook July 26, 2016 / 5:39 pm

    An oversight on day one of the DNC seems to have been corrected.

    • M. Noonan July 26, 2016 / 6:19 pm

      It is the religion Progs are not allowed to be offended by – all others are, to one degree or another, offensive and “triggering”.

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