Weekend Open Thread

The full 9th Circuit Court may be set to re-hear the Trump case. Apparently, one of the judges demanded it. I’ve never heard of such a thing – the losers in cases before a panel often request a full hearing, but I’ve never heard of one of the judges of the court requesting it. Something is up – I gotta think that this judge isn’t wasting everyone’s time: shouldn’t it be likely that the judge at least thinks there’s a court majority to overturn the 3 judge panel? Perhaps enough judges figure that service to Progressive causes is all well and good, but a judge deciding immigration policy is a step too far? Stay tuned.

Socialism in action:

Biology student Luis Sibira stumbled across the first set of gory remains last November: eight pink flamingos, their breasts and torsos sliced out, leaving their heads, spindly legs and vivid feathers scattered across the marshy ground at Las Peonias Lagoon in western Venezuela…

But this isn’t simple poaching, he said. Sibira and other investigators from Zulia University, a public university in Maracaibo, are convinced that the protected birds have become the latest victims of Venezuela’s growing hunger crisis. People have become so desperate, he said, that they are butchering and eating flamingos.

There is some evidence that Venezuelans are chowing down on cats and dogs, as well. Ask a western Socialist about it, and he’ll just say they still haven’t quite done socialism right…and that this is all our fault, anyways.

German Chancellor Merkel is speeding up deportations – because making nice-nice with Euro-weenies is all well and good, but she’s heading for electoral defeat later this year unless she changes course.

Excellent article by Robert Stacy McCain on how social misfits – often from distressed family backgrounds – become fodder for radicals who want to destroy whatever system happens to be in place at the time. I call this the Uselessly Educated Syndrome – people who have obtained education which is of limited utility who then go on to demand radical social change because if they can’t fit into normal life, then normal life will just have to go. People like this have been pestering civilization ever since it developed enough surplus wealth to give rise to an educated but idle class of people. Do you want to know why the Roman Empire endured for centuries after it’s peak while the British Empire was gone less than 100 years after it peaked? Rome created engineers – Britain created lawyers.

Sanctuary cities are starting to cave to Administration pressure.

Con man gets suckered – Sid Blumenthal, a Clinton functionary, got suckered in by some fake commercials about a non-existent New York City mayoral candidacy for Donald Trump’s father. I keep telling you guys: our Progressive opponents are simply not the sharpest knives in the drawer. A few of them are wicked smart, but most of them are just rote repeating what the smart one’s tell them to say.

V the K has an excellent idea. None of you better spill the beans on this one.

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45 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook February 11, 2017 / 9:09 am

    The full 9th Circuit Court may be set to re-hear the Trump case.

    I heard this on the late news last night, and my first reaction was, judges don’t mind being perceived as arrogant or even politically biased, but they don’t want to be perceived as stupid. And their decision, which didn’t even reference the actual statute, was seen as stupid — stupid and blatantly dishonest.

    • jdge1 February 13, 2017 / 9:06 am

      I read one possible reason the full 9th circus court may rehear the case on the travel ban is, if a terrorist act occurs on US soil, these judges will share at least the perception of responsibility for this happening. In spite of the fact that several of these judges are adamantly left and will actively work against any Trump initiative, they could be realizing they’re handing Trump a sort of ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card by hamstringing his efforts. By their actions these judges could be the recipient of a backlash from the general US populous.

      • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 11:07 am

        By their actions these judges could be the recipient of a backlash from the general US populous.

        Should a recent immigrant or refugee from one of those 7 countries commit an act of terror on U.S. soil I think “backlash” would be an understatement. If what you say is true, I find it interesting that they’re basically admitting that they stuck their nose into an area that’s constitutionally reserved for the Chief Executive, and yet their fear is being held responsible (and rightly so) for a terrorist attack rather than the fear that they acted in an unconstitutional manner.

  2. simoneee9 February 12, 2017 / 1:27 am

    Connections between Rosneft and Trump Administration and lifting of sanctions. At what point I wonder will the GOP stand up to Trump? Or is holding on to his base more important than these major ethical issues now coming to light?

    The Manafort connection alone is very troubling, not to mention Carter Page.

    Remember the howls of outrage when Obama wore a tan suit and put mustard on his burger? And when Michelle wore a sleeve-less dress?

    Waiting for the next move by the intelligence agencies.

    • Retired Spook February 12, 2017 / 11:56 am

      There appears to be a renewed effort to pursue the Trump/Russia dossier to damage or destroy the Trump presidency. I guess it’s time to dust off the excellent Forbes piece from just before the inauguration. Some excerpts:

      I have studied Russia and the Soviet Union professionally since the mid-1960s. I have visited Russia as a scholar, as the head of a multi-year petroleum legislation project, and as a business consultant close to one hundred times. My first visit was in 1965 shortly after Nikita Khrushchev’s removal. I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances in Russia, and I follow the Russian press regularly. I personally witnessed the creation in the early 90s of Russia’s giant energy concerns in the offices of the oil minister. I met with St. Petersburg officials in the early 90s but do not remember meeting then deputy mayor, Vladimir Putin. I have written and co-authored reports for the State Department, Congress, and the intelligence community; so I sort of know how these things work.

      …….

      As someone who has worked for more than a decade with the microfilm collection of Soviet documents in the Hoover Institution Archives, I can say that the dossier itself was compiled by a Russian, whose command of English is far from perfect and who follows the KGB (now FSB) practice of writing intelligence reports, in particular the practice of capitalizing all names for easy reference. The report includes Putin’s inner circle – Peskov, Ivanov, Sechin, Lavrov. The anonymous author claims to have “trusted compatriots” who knew the roles that each Kremlin insider, including Putin himself, played in the Trump election saga and were prepared to tell him.

      …….

      I have picked out just a few excerpts from the Orbis report. It was written, in my opinion, not by an ex British intelligence officer but by a Russian trained in the KGB tradition. It is full of names, dates, meetings, quarrels, and events that are hearsay (one an overheard conversation). It is a collection of “this important person” said this to “another important person.” There is no record; no informant is identified by name or by more than a generic title. The report appears to fail the veracity test in the one instance of a purported meeting in which names, dates, and location are provided. Some of the stories are so bizarre (the Rosneft bribe) that they fail the laugh test. Yet, there appears to be a desire on the part of some media and Trump opponents on both sides of the aisle to picture the Orbis report as genuine but unverifiable.

      I feel like I’m watching a season of 24 unfold in real time. The amount of fake news, propaganda, subterfuge and obfuscation of facts we’re witnessing is just mind-boggling. You have to question literally everything you read, see and hear, up to and including the so-called “fact-checkers.”

      • Cluster February 12, 2017 / 2:50 pm

        The amount of fake news, propaganda, subterfuge and obfuscation of facts we’re witnessing is just mind-boggling.

        Agree 100% and while the right is somewhat complicit, the larger share of the blame resides with the left. They are dishonest to the core and they have taken their “ends justify the means” and “never let a crisis go to waste” tactics to another level.They disgust me beyond belief and if it ever got to the point of confrontation, count me in.

        I never knew who Stephen Miller was until this morning talk shows and he presented himself to be reasoned, polite, with a tremendous command of the facts on the immigration EO which the left is melting down over and painting Miller to be some heretic racist run amok. Additionally, the left’s treatment of Betsy DeVos is shameful and my hope is that these unAmerican, juvenile and seditious actions of the left is serving to bolster the will and resolve of common sense American to never allow them to govern this country again.

      • Retired Spook February 12, 2017 / 3:29 pm

        I never knew who Stephen Miller was until this morning talk shows and he presented himself to be reasoned, polite, with a tremendous command of the facts on the immigration EO which the left is melting down over

        I’ve seen and heard his name as a top Trump adviser, but this morning on Fox News Sunday was the first time I’ve seen him interviewed. Not much personality, but definitely articulate and in command of the facts.

        my hope is that these unAmerican, juvenile and seditious actions of the left is serving to bolster the will and resolve of common sense American to never allow them to govern this country again.

        Personally I’m delighted that the Left has finally taken off the mask and doesn’t seem to be the least bit afraid or embarrassed to show everyone just who they are.

      • Amazona February 12, 2017 / 4:11 pm

        The amount of fake news, propaganda, subterfuge and obfuscation of facts we’re witnessing is just mind-boggling

        To this I would add the amount of energy being dedicated to undermining Trump and delegitimizing his presidency. The surge of energy on the Left is the first thing that should attract our attention, because that is what alerts us to the level of fear the Left is now experiencing.

        Their fear is not for the nation, no matter how piously they may bleat that this is what drives them. Suddenly the Left’s posture is no longer “fundamentally transforming” the nation or backing every action designed to do that. No, suddenly they are mouthing such deep, sincere, passionate concern for PROTECTING the very nation they have devoted so many years to turning into something totally unlike its true self.

        So now we have a newbie so concerned, so very very concerned, so deeply concerned you can almost see the deep creases of concern rippling his forehead as he frets about the Right’s refusal to dump Trump because of alleged improprieties in dealings with Russia. Hmmm. Why, he almost looks like a pre-Botox Diane Sawyer, his concern is so obvious.

        Trump was never caught on a hot mic whispering a request that a Russian official assure Vladmir that he would be more “flexible” after his election was in the bag. But that stated intent of Obama’s, to be conveyed to Putin in a private conversation, of wanting to work more closely with Putin when he no longer had to worry about being reelected, somehow never made it very close to the top of the “things to worry about” list of the Left. And that was real. It was caught, on video, in Obama’s own voice. It was meant to be a secret promise, just between Barry and Vlad, and the American Left just ignored it.

        What DOES get the Left stirred up? Well, we have the alert posted by a newbie, clearly intended to strike fear into the hearts of true Americans everywhere. All it needs is some stars and stripes in the bold red headline banner, as it solemnly intones KEY PLAYERS IMPLICATED IN THE TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER.

        Ooooh, so scary !!! IMPLICATED !!!! Oh, my! IMPLICATED ! Another word for gossip, by the way. For unfounded assertions that can’t be backed up by facts. And what are these sinsiter “key players” IMPLICATED (invented something-bad-thing) in? Why, in a DOSSIER!! Wow. (An invented “dossier” by the way. A word usually associated with an official finding, hijacked to try to lend gravitas to an invention.) Two official sounding words, presented in a bold red banner, so we are supposed to think they mean something, something very important and very official and very scary.

        And don’t overlook the other buzzword—TROUBLING. Ooooh, shivers! TROUBLING is one level above CONTROVERSIAL in the Left’s code book. First, you find something CONTROVERSIAL and then you are TROUBLED by it and then someone is IMPLICATED. “DOSSIER” is a new effort—-I guess “manila file folder” doesn’t sound sinister enough.

        Remember the howls of outrage when Obama wore a tan suit and put mustard on his burger? And when Michelle wore a sleeve-less dress?

        I’m not sure what this odd non sequiter is supposed to accomplish. That people on the Right get upset about silly things when an Obama does them but ignores big important things when Trump does them? If that is the goal, it is a typically clumsy effort, and painfully transparent.

        Waiting for the next move frantic effort by the intelligence panicked Leftist propaganda agencies.

      • jdge1 February 13, 2017 / 9:16 am

        Amazona,
        You crack me up the way you trivialize the left, using their own redefined words and phrases.

      • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 3:57 pm

        JDGE1, I don’t actually “trivialize” the Left so much as point out the superficial nature of their arguments and their efforts to imply nefarious actions by using weasel words and buzzwords. So I guess I trivialize their propaganda efforts. The Left itself is anything BUT trivial, as it is a behemoth of immense size, power and malignancy, and should not be underestimated. The thing is, their dependence on propaganda is limited to certain kinds of messaging, and I have studied those efforts and learned to spot their signatures on purported news stories.

        Once you are sensitized to the repeated use of certain words and distortions, they jump right out at you.

    • Amazona February 12, 2017 / 4:25 pm

      Tell you what, “Simon”, show us not some grade-school-level chart to make us think Trump is up to no good but maybe a photo of him bowing to dictators, or hugging and kissing a Leftist thug dictator, or clutching said dictator’s book to his chest like his most favorite participation trophy.

      Name a Trump supporter and close friend and political adviser who was once on the FBI’s Most Wanted List as a domestic terrorist known to have bombed government buildings, married to another domestic terrorist, someone who gloated when his rich daddy’s lawyers got him off on a technicality that he was “guilty as hell and free as a bird”. Name a Trump supporter who planned not just the bombing of a police station but timed it so it would kill the most law enforcement people as possible. Maybe then we’ll think he has poor taste in his friends. Or, more to the point, that his friends pose a danger to our country.

      Name a Trump adviser who, in his official status as a school counselor, advised a troubled barely post-pubescent boy to have a sexual affair with a man more than twice his age, and we might be a little concerned about who advises him.

      Don’t make up some silly shit about mustard and sleeveless (no hyphen) dresses.

      Better yet, get back to your minders and tell them they need to update their playbook, get a better grasp of American idioms, and get used to the fact that this is a country catching onto the fact that you have only succeeded, when you have, by convincing people to believe lies.

      The biggest message of this election has been the realization that the best way to defeat the Left is to expose your lies.

    • Amazona February 12, 2017 / 5:35 pm

      Like most “facts” intended to inflame emotions and influence opinions, this mess so eagerly regurgitated by our earnest little newbie can easily be deconstructed by looking at the inherent defects of the individual claims. Once we do that, the silly lines purporting to connect these people prove to be meaningless and the whole thing is quickly exposed as yet another fraud.

      Out of eight separate comments, six of them are completely meaningless because they contain the weasel words of: reported, reportedly, alleges, considered, reportedly, and believed to be. This is the way you hint at things to try to create an impression of something while trying to avoid liability for slander or libel. The two remaining comments merely address things that don’t mean anything.

      So the founder of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce “boasted” that at some undisclosed time he was the “exclusive broker” for real estate deals for the Trump Organization in Russia. “Boasted” is a word used to convey an emotional context, which depends on the perception of a third party or, more likely in this context, an invention created to add emotional content to a statement. When we take out the meaningless word “boasted” and the vague reference to a huge company that does not actually name Trump himself, we have nothing here. Actually, if he really WAS “boasting” it makes his claim even less likely, as it shows him as someone who says things to try to impress people. So why is it in the flow chart? To create a false impression of something, of course. There isn’t even a line trying to link Millian to anyone else, or anything else.

      The fretting about Page is bogus. Page once served as an adviser for a Russian energy company, then started his own energy investment company, and then resigned. So? And he once shared what he had learned about dealing with foreign nations with Trump. So the Left, which had hissy fits about Trump not knowing enough, is now having hissy fits about him consulting with people who know things. What an indictment.

      Igor Sechin is the CEO of a big Russian oil company. That is the sole piece of actual information about him in this flow chart. Once we see that he reportedly met with Page, nothing else said can be considered, because it all hinges on something that is admittedly not even proved. Ditto for the claim that Sechin is “considered” to be a “close ally” of Putin. “Considered”? By whom? And what does his relationship with Putin matter? What does “close ally” even mean? That’s like saying the president of the Boise Idaho George Michael fan club was a “close ally” of George Michael.

      Flynn was “paid by the Kremlin” to speak about……what? By whom, exactly? For what purpose? After that, the word “reportedly” makes everything after it immaterial. It is gossip, if it ever even rose to the level of actual gossip. And this tenuous—–at best— connection to “the Kremlin” is his only alleged link to Putin.

      Manafort “advised” and “helped” the movement in Urkaine that got kicked out. Pretty vague words, “advised” and “helped”. But the guy he supposedly “advised” and “helped” is “believed to be a confidante” of Putin. Again, what does “confidante” mean? And why would Putin “confide” in a guy who got kicked out of office, failed in his job, and is dependent on the charity of “the Kremlin” to even stay alive?

      But wait! There is more scary stuff about Manafort, in addition to the fact that something he allegedly did qualified as “advice” and “help” to Yanukovych but failed to make Yanukovych successful, he allegedly used Carter Page “as an intermediary” between “the Trump campaign” and unnamed “Russian officials”—though the only claim actually made is an admission that there is nothing more specific than an allegation Page reportedly met with ONE Russian businessman, who is “considered” to be a “close ally” of Putin.

      The whole thing quickly falls apart and shows itself for what it is—-a frantic effort to slap together a presentation to impress the naive and easily led into a perception that Trump and those around him are now ominously in cahoots with the same country Hillary famously wooed with her simpering and her misspelled “RESET” button, the same country Barry promised to deal with in a more “flexible” manner once he didn’t have to worry how it would be seen by the voters.

      BTW, I looked up “Business Insider” and found it to be quite consistent in its hatred of Trump. I didn’t spend a lot of time there, but looking at the headlines and scanning a few of the articles it is quite clear that this rag is hardly an example of objective reporting. Rather, it appears to be a vigorous participant in the Complicit Agenda Media.

      Perhaps I should say it is believed to be a close ally of the Left as it has reportedly simply invented bogus “facts” and promulgated fake news as it allegedly strives to unfairly smear Donald Trump. It is considered to be nothing more than a front for the International Left, implicated in a secret dossier in which it allegedly hides behind the disguise of an actual business publication.

    • Amazona February 12, 2017 / 6:13 pm

      The “Business” Insider appears to be playing a version of the “Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon” game, though a more toxic and malignant version, in which they strive to reach the lowest possible Trump Number, based on associations with people who have had associations with people who have had associations with people, etc. who may have had some association with Donald Trump.

      The Bacon number of an actor or actress is the number of degrees of separation he or she has from Bacon, as defined by the game. This is an application of the Erdős number concept to the Hollywood movie industry. The higher the Bacon number, the farther away from Kevin Bacon the actor is.

      The computation of a Bacon number for actor X is a “shortest path” algorithm, applied to the co-stardom network:

      • Kevin Bacon himself has a Bacon number of 0.

      • Those actors who have worked directly with Kevin Bacon have a Bacon number of 1.

      • If the lowest Bacon number of any actor with whom X has appeared in any movie is N, X’s Bacon number is N+1.

      Here is an example, using Elvis Presley:

      • Elvis Presley was in Change of Habit (1969) with Edward Asner
      • Edward Asner was in JFK (1991) with Kevin Bacon

      Therefore, Asner has a Bacon number of 1, and Presley (who never appeared in a film with Bacon) has a Bacon number of 2.

      Here is another example, using Sir Ian McKellen:

      • Ian McKellen was in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) with Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy
      • McAvoy and Fassbender were in X-Men: First Class (2011) with Kevin Bacon
      Therefore, McAvoy and Fassbender have Bacon numbers of 1, and McKellen has a Bacon number of 2.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon

    • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 3:51 pm

      http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/07/21/putin-puts-the-brakes-on-sechin/

      Putin’s personal intervention, preventing the sale of Bashneft to Rosneft, might indicate that Igor Sechin has recently started to fall out of favor with the Russian President, and thus that his (Sechin’s) personal influence and power are waning.

      Wikipedia aside, “Business “ Insider needs to update its “facts” as it appears that Sechin is not the besty of Putin. Or, with friends like this who needs enemies?

      That darling little chart didn’t say just which “huge Rosneft deal” was supposedly dangled in front of Page to encourage him to “lift sanctions” but, as Page has never had the authority to do anything even remotely like make such a decision (and was only an “early” foreign policy adviser to someone who had not even been elected yet) and the “huge” Rosneft deal Sechin might have been referring to in this alleged meeting got pulled out from under him by Putin, that entire effort to implicate Page in something nefarious simply falls apart.

      One might think a cobbled-together chart purporting to show various people associated with Trump engaging in unethical or even illegal activities, presumably at the direction of Trump, would at least accuse people of plotting to do things they had the authority to do. But I guess they know their base, a base that couldn’t care less about accuracy, truth or even making sense, and they know if they toss out enough buzzwords—–“implicated” as one example—-they can suck in some of the more gullible into a perception that something bad is going on, done by bad people for bad purposes.

      • simoneee9 February 14, 2017 / 12:22 am

        Well, Flynn has resigned.

      • simoneee9 February 14, 2017 / 12:27 am

        The question remains: what and when did Trump know that Flynn was discussing the lifting of sanctions during the campaign?

      • simoneee9 February 14, 2017 / 12:28 am

        Seems they are now considering Petraeus as a replacement. A man literally convicted of leaking classified information using email. Irony is dead.

      • Amazona February 16, 2017 / 11:21 am

        “Simon” gleefully illustrates the Leftist tactic I have come to call “semantic creep”. That is, first planting a seed that something might have happened (a discussion between an American and a Russian that may have included references to the Obama sanctions) and then expanding it, inventing details and surrounding it all in malignant motives, all designed to generate shock and then wholly predictable outrage on the Left.

        So here “Simon” has expanded the original seed to a claim that Flynn did not just “discuss” the sanctions but “discussed” the “lifting of sanctions“. Ooooh! Shocking!

        Except it’s not.

        It would have been hard NOT to discuss the sanctions in any conversation with a Russian official. They were a blatant abuse of American presidential power, and reckless in the extreme. The very idea that a United States president knowing that a claim of misbehavior by a fellow superpower is bogus, knowing that it has been created to try to halt the death spiral of a fellow Democrat’s campaign for the presidency, yet giving it publicity and support, is bad enough. To take the unprecedented step of imposing sanctions on that superpower, in a desperate last-ditch effort to try to make that bogus claim appear credible, is reckless to the extreme, and an abuse of presidential authority. I can’t imagine anyone involved in the political process of either country having a conversation without this coming up.

        But the Left and its obedient little foot soldiers out here in the blogosphere are frantically trying to accomplish two things at once. One is to create and feed a firestorm around the claim that Flynn—and by extension Trump, as we can see from “Simon’s” clumsy new effort to tie Trump into the Flynn conversation—–did something wrong, and the second is simultaneously trying to avoid any reference to the recklessness of Obama’s actions and abuse of his office in punishing a superpower for something he knew they never did. Notice that the Left only mentions “sanctions”, hoping no one will stop to reflect on WHICH sanctions. Considering which sanctions might lead to an examination of those sanctions, leading to considering the reason for those sanctions, leading to the irresponsibility of even imposing those sanctions and putting our relationship with that superpower at risk, and that is a path the Left wants blocked as they try to herd us down one they have created, that goes in another direction.

        “Simon” wants to do this, but he’s not very good at it.

      • Amazona February 16, 2017 / 11:32 am

        Hey, when our little “Simon” is on a roll, he’s on a roll! It’s really fun when that is a roll of being wrong.

        Now he lectures us, regarding General Petraeus, that he is “A man literally convicted of leaking classified information using email.”

        Yeah—except, nah.

        General Petraeus was involved with a woman who was planning to write his biography, a woman who had been, by the way, a former Army intelligence officer. She had a security clearance. He used bad judgment, first in having an affair with Paula Broadwell and then in sharing information, some of which was classified, with her. Not with the world at large. Not with a someone who had never had a security clearance. No, with a former intelligence officer.

        Not by email. Duh. And the biggest problem was not the information he shared (not “leaked”) but that he took his old notebooks and let her use them for her work.

        According to court documents, Petraeus admitted removing several so-called black books — notebooks in which he kept classified and non-classified information from his tenure as the commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan — and giving them to Broadwell.

        ……………. the classified information was never released to the public or published in the biography that Broadwell wrote.

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/politics/petraeus-secretary-of-state-trump/

        And BTW, because he is not a Democrat he was prosecuted, and he was found guilty of a misdemeanor.

        Still gasping in shock and outrage, “Simon”?

        Irony is not dead, it is simply a word used by Lefties who don’t understand it.

  3. Retired Spook February 12, 2017 / 12:21 pm

    Interesting analogy in this post linked to in an article at oath Keepers about the insurrection we’re witnessing.

  4. Amazona February 12, 2017 / 8:55 pm

    Just as the people who made “Idiocracy” said they didn’t know, when they made it, that it would turn out to be a documentary, I have a feeling that Fred, whoever he is, may find that his article turns out to be prophetic.

    Hey, it’s time for a smile or two.

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mudgeon.shtml

    • Retired Spook February 12, 2017 / 11:16 pm

      I haven’t read Fred Reed in a while. Hilarious! And, as with all good humor, it’s the grain of truth that makes it funny.

    • jdge1 February 13, 2017 / 9:55 am

      That brightened my day.

  5. Cluster February 13, 2017 / 9:39 am

    Interesting take on the current DNC:

    The Democrats will have to find a lot of political courage and resolve if they want to try a course correction. The radicals are professional bullies. They believe in what they call “direct action,” that is, coercive violence. They demand no compromise. They are awash with money. They are professionally trained, ten thousand alone by Obama’s Organizing for America foundation. The radical agenda, now the Democratic Party’s agenda, is ideologically driven to destroy all normalcy in our government.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/02/dems_made_their_bed_with_leftists_now_they_must_lie_in_it.html#ixzz4YZWBYjYK

    • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 11:31 am

      Spot on — from the article:

      the Democratic Party is being eaten by the monster they rode to power.

      To which I shed a giant crocodile/Chuck Schumer tear.

      As I said the other day, the Dems have dug themselves into a lose/lose hole. They have three choices: stop digging, dig faster or light the hole on fire. Choice one doesn’t even seem to be on their radar. I have to say it just couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.

    • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 11:50 am

      One of the links in the AT article led to a very information-dense page of information on Jon Carson, the organizer of OFA, and wading through it I found these two articles. Because I have developed radar when it comes to radical Leftist activities, some parts of these articles jumped out at me. (emphasis mine)

      July 29, 2015: If the Obama Presidency is Winding Down, Why is OFA Ramping Up?

      Sidney M. Milkis and John W. York ask in an article in the Washington Post why is OFA still pressing forward even as Obama’s presidency is winding down? “The answer says something about how Obama intends to influence the party in years to come,” write Milkis and York. “At a time when a good deal of partisan action takes place outside of regular party organizations, OFA works to mobilize support for progressive priorities in the face of continuing intense opposition. Beyond current struggles, the challenge for Organizing for Action will be to move beyond loyalty to Obama himself and find ways to deepen his political and policy legacies after he leaves the White House” According to Milkis and York, OFA’s ability to mobilize Obama’s supporters on behalf of policies has been one important reason that the president has been able to avoid lame duck status, and has instead continued to work on advancing substantive projects.

      Unlike parties, in the post-Citizen’s United era, 501(c)(4) groups like OFA can accept unlimited contributions and they can advocate for policies in ways unregulated by campaign finance laws. Organizing for Action trained more than 10,000 organizers during its first two years, many of whom worked on the 2014 midterm elections and have joined 2016 presidential campaigns demonstrating how OFA may help secure the “future of the Progressive movement.”

      Milkis and York speculate that former President Obama may well keep OFA intact after he leaves office and if this is OFA’s future, President Obama, with the help of his “family,” could remain a central player in American politics for years to come. “This prospect will undoubtedly send Republicans into fits,” conclude Milkis and York. “The prospect of this president with his loyal following, charisma, and rhetorical flourish, staying on stage after his curtain call likely does not thrill Hillary Clinton either.
      ……………………….

      December 3, 2016: Mike Abrams writes that Instead of Institutionalizing his Activists into the Democratic Party, Obama Directed Them to OFA

      Mike Abrams wrote in the Miami Herald on December 3, 2016 that Obama ignored the Democratic party during his presidency. “Right after the 2008 election, Allan Katz, an early supporter, begged the president’s people to engage in party building. Instead, they started a group called Organizing for America. OFA was to organize Obama’s activists around the president’s agenda. So instead of institutionalizing into the Democratic Party his new cohort of brilliant, idealistic activists, the president directed them to OFA. Imagine if their energy and talent was integrated into the local, state and national Democratic parties. When Obama leaves office on Jan. 20, who will care about OFA?

      …………………………….

      In other words, once Obama got put into office by the Democrat Party, he proceeded to create a new and powerful group hidden inside the party but not really loyal to the party, a group he himself focused on promoting his own radical agendas, a group loyal to him and not to the party, a group now officially separate from the party and not bound by laws governing political contributions, and a group trained to be activists and agitators, no doubt by the same people who trained Obama to be an activist and agitator.

      • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 12:42 pm

        President Obama, with the help of his “family,” could remain a central player in American politics for years to come. “This prospect will undoubtedly send Republicans into fits,”

        I can’t imagine any but the most insecure Republicans having “fits” over the continued high visibility of the architect of the destruction of the Democrat Party.

      • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 2:10 pm

        Perhaps they are defining “fits” as actually using the DOJ to enforce laws, such as laws against rioting, incitement to riot, assault and battery, destruction of property, conspiracy to commit various crimes and sedition. We all know that any or all of the above are far outside the Dem/Leftist areas of permissible activities by the DOJ, so they might very well see them as having “fits”.

        On the other hand, as Spook pointed out, the Right is quite happy to see the Left overreaching, as their violent illegal activities and blatant anti-Americanism will only continue to isolate the Left in a constantly shrinking bubble while the rest of the nation expresses its distaste for such actions by moving farther to the Right.

      • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 2:40 pm

        Another day, another position.

        re: demonstrations and rioting over the election of Trump, the Left and one of its most active organizers and spokesmen, Jon Carson, spoke out of the other side of the Leftist mouth back in 2013 when some people were unhappy with Obama policies and talked about seceding from the Union.

        From a link in the AT link:

        Politico reported on January 11, 2013 that Carson responded to the thousands of people who used Obama’s “We the People” online petitioning platform to call for secession, saying the Constitution gives people the right to change government through voting — but not seceding. “Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States ‘in order to form a more perfect union’ through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government,” Carson wrote in an online release. He continued: “They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot — a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all.

        When we look at the organized rioting and efforts to undermine the Trump administration and delegitimize Trump himself as President, it is clear that the sentiment of “…the Constitution gives people the right to change government through voting…” isn’t very popular now on the Left.

  6. Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 12:47 pm

    YJCMTSU! California has threatened to build a wall around the state, threatened to secede and threatened to become a sanctuary state — and now, suddenly they need Trump’s help. Note to self — buy more popcorn.

    • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 2:47 pm

      I thought California had already declared itself a sanctuary state—at least its major cities have stated their intent to continue flouting federal law.

      This would be a great time to remind California that elections have consequences, and use the leverage of their crisis to force the state to officially declare allegiance to the nation of the United States—and its laws.

      I like the comment made by one of the readers of your link—this would be a great time to go to the Hollywood elites who hate Trump and ask them to fund the emergency actions Moonbeam Jerry thinks are necessary. It should only take a week or so for the big-mouth deep-pocket Hollywood stars to put their money where their mouths are.

      • Cluster February 13, 2017 / 4:48 pm

        After years, if not decades of drought, the fact that California is just allowing this excess water to flow away is borderline criminal. They should be building retention basins as fast as they can.

      • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 5:06 pm

        They should have realized that droughts are cyclical and planned ahead for the next period of rainfall, and had retention basins (reservoirs) already built.

        Do you think that maybe—–just maybe—-the religious fervor of the AGW cult had those in charge convinced that once mankind started to destroy the planet this death spiral would never be reversed? That it would never ever rain again? That California was DOOMED to everlasting drought?

        In other words, Californians elected the wrong people to run the state. Do ya think?

        Here in Colorado some of us are looking at this and thinking “Don’t come whining to us for more water, if you can’t even plan ahead well enough to use what you have.”

      • Cluster February 13, 2017 / 5:40 pm

        I wish AZ would act the same. As of now, we sell CA quite a bit of our CO river basin water rights.

  7. Cluster February 13, 2017 / 5:52 pm

    “Crises happen, and we have an intellectual vacuum at the top. Be afraid, be very afraid,” – Paul Krugman

    Well if anyone could be defined as an “intellectual vacuum” it would have to be Paul Krugman.

    • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 6:32 pm

      Projection appears to be one of the favorite pastimes of many on the Left.

  8. Cluster February 13, 2017 / 6:04 pm

    Spook, I know this article will make blood gush from your eyes, but it is a must read if only to solidify in your mind the mind numbing delusion of the left. According to this author, it’s all the fault of conservatives and I know Amazona will have a field day with this one too. Here’s an excerpt:

    They have undone our desire to share this country with them. They have dismantled our liberal desire to be reasonable and see their side of things. They have done it by endangering our children and our future. They have done it by putting their anger at us ahead of their professed love of country, and that is the one thing we can never forgive.

    All I can say is – bring it on. We (conservatives) have been lectured to for the past 10 years on every issue while liberals preened, postured and gloated over their anticipated “permanent majority”, but now that their incompetence and arrogance have relegated them back to the minority, they want to blame us???? F**K YOU

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-national-divorce_us_589e0957e4b0e172783a9b87?

    • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 6:28 pm

      All I can say is, WOW — just WOW! I had to read a bit of the article to make sure he wasn’t actually talking (in your excerpt) about the Left. When did they EVER want to share the country with us? When was there EVER a liberal desire to be reasonable? When did they EVER look at our side of the debate and say, “gee, I never looked at it that way?” More often than not they just say the debate is over and for us to sit down and shut up. What in the hell have WE done to endanger children? We’re not the ones demanding pedophiles who feel like a woman have access to women’s restrooms. We’re not the ones committing black genocide in south Chicago. We’re not the ones who are putting anger ahead of our professed love of country. THEY are the angry ones, and THEY don’t even HAVE a professed love of country — never really have in MY lifetime. And the last thing I want from them is “forgiveness.”

      The sign in the midst of the violent riots at U.C. Berkeley that said “HATE FREE ZONE” spoke more about the schizophrenic mind-set of the Left than anything I’ve seen until I read this article.

      • Cluster February 13, 2017 / 6:50 pm

        Schizophrenic is an apt definition and it has gone to a level I honestly didn’t think possible. I am genuinely wondering now if there will be some physical clashes. If there are, they will not originate from the right, but the leftists need to think twice about what they are doing because conservatives can only take so much, will never back down, are better armed, and once started, will take no prisoners.

      • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 7:12 pm

        To quote Sun Tzu, “the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” I think the Left is engaged in a circular firing squad; they just don’t know it yet.

    • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 10:12 pm

      I can’t have a field day with it because it is so tragic, so deeply and profoundly sad, that I can’t even get upset about it. It is like watching someone who truly believes he is Napoleon, seriously explaining it to you. I mean, literally not one word of it makes any sense at all, except the last part—“that is the one thing we can never forgive”. In other words, those who cling to hatred and look forward to revenge need a hook on which to hang this negative and horrible mentality, so this guy at least came up with a bunch of gobbeldygook in which he projects the ugliness of the Left onto the Right so he can feel justified in deciding to “never forgive” us.

      They have undone our desire to share this country with them. Think about that. Think about the blatant narcissism that allows anyone to claim that he and his faction are merely “sharing the country” with more than half the people in that country. It boggles the mind. But I think it reflects a true mindset of the Left—this is THEIR country, if we behave ourselves they MIGHT allow us to share it with them, but we had better remember that we aren’t supposed to have a voice, much less participate in the governance of said country. They are the masters; we are the reluctantly tolerated intruders.

      The second sentence—-They have dismantled our liberal desire to be reasonable and see their side of things… is another effort to justify unending jihad against the Right, by claiming that no matter what they do to us, it is our own damned fault and we deserve it. We could waste a lot of time and brain cells asking any Lib to point out examples of this vaunted “desire to be reasonable” but why bother? The point is to find a way to excuse inexcusable behavior.

      This, by the way, includes needing to hijack words and then to use them in ways that are the opposite of their real meaning. So the once-valid political definition of “liberal (lower-case “L” liberal) is now completely redefined as something that is totally unrecognizable as liberalism, being sour and inward-turning and intolerant and hate-based and vindictive. Now the word “Progressive” is applied to a completely regressive political system.

      …endangering our children … does not seem to include killing them by the tens of millions just because they are inconvenient, nor does it seem to address robbing our children of real educations in favor of political indoctrination, or any of the other offenses against children that mark the Left’s attitude toward them. We have ample evidence that to the Left, exposing children to different points of view is considered “endangerment”, requiring safe spaces.

      They have done it by putting their anger at us ahead of their professed love of country, … would be a great example of a Lefty looking in a mirror and then slapping what he sees onto someone else, except few if any Lefties profess love of country. At least not THIS country. While conservatives love the country as it was founded and as it flourished, the Left hates that country with a white-hot passion and can only love it after it has been “fundamentally transformed” into something the Founders would consider an abomination and something that has never flourished, anywhere, when it has been tried.

      Are you sure this is not a parody? It is so bizarre, it is hard to believe anyone could seriously spout this stuff, and even HuffPo is usually too smart to post insanity like this.

      • Amazona February 13, 2017 / 10:17 pm

        BTW, I couldn’t even finish the screed. It was just too creepy. When someone makes James Carville look reasonable, you know you are in the wrong room and it is time to go take a brain shower and get back among the living.

    • M. Noonan February 13, 2017 / 11:43 pm

      They keep talking the language of Civil War – I don’t think they have the remotest idea of how that would play out.

      • Retired Spook February 13, 2017 / 11:57 pm

        I absolutely guarantee they don’t.

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