Open Thread

The DNC/MSM/Never Trump combine went ballistic over the Trump/Putin presser. I didn’t watch it, but I did see it explode in real time over social media. We seriously had people calling for the overthrow of the United States government to “save” us from Putin’s stooge, Trump. Plenty of people on the right – almost all Never Trump, but a few weak kneed others, as well – joined in. Given that this happened in conjunction with the discovery and an alleged Russia-NRA (yes, you read that right) connection to undermine America starting in 2015, it was all clearly scripted to be part of battle space prep for November. Do lay that to heart: everything that will show up in the news relating to politics from now until November will be battle space prep.

The more mundane reality is that Trump has Putin over a barrel and Putin knows it – so, it is time to make nice with the USA until we return an idiot like Obama to power. We’ve checkmated Putin in Syria and in the rest of the Middle East; our increasing oil production is putting a huge strain on the Russian economy; beefing up military forces in Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe means there are no more easy pickings for Putin; our calls for NATO to re-arm may create a long period of time when Russia has to behave. Trump, also no fool, knows that while Russia can’t wreck us, they can cause plenty of trouble, and if that trouble can be avoided by making a bit of nice with Putin, no worries.

In 2017, the nation which reduced its carbon emission the most was the United States…which shows that the Paris treaty and all other climate treaties are hot garbage.

Lisa Page testified again on Monday (another reason for the Dems, etc, to have a meltdown over Russia) and was apparently cooperative. I don’t know, of course, but I think she’s flipped on the Deep State.

Meathead made a movie about the Iraq war called Shock and Awe. It opened this past weekend. You didn’t go see it. Hardly anyone did. It grossed $41,000.00 (yes, forty one thousand dollars). Get woke, go broke is becoming a common thing…but more certain is it that if you tangle with Trump, you will lose…mostly because you first have to go insane before you tangle with Trump.

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37 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Amazona July 17, 2018 / 9:42 am

    “I’ve never seen a U.S. President act so weak”

    I am sure you are happy to have come out of your eight-year coma. Sadly for you, it happened on January 20, 2017.

    • tiredoflibbs July 20, 2018 / 12:21 pm

      Did Trump roll-over to Putin, like Obama rolled over to the mad-mullas of Iran? Obama gave Iran everything, including billions in CASH. It is no wonder that the Iran DEAL was not ratified as a TREATY – Obama would not have “succeeded” at his “defining moment”. He did succeed in marking him one of the weakest pResidents in history.

  2. Amazona July 17, 2018 / 10:10 am

    I didn’t see the presser, either, but as I expect every Complicit Agenda Media account to be hair-on-fire Trump Must Go hysteria, I don’t pay any attention to that, either.

    But I did wonder, when I read the carefully selected snippets and quotes, if Trump, in his typical communication fashion of skipping over words, was referring to the claim that Russia “meddled with ” the actual election results, or “meddled” to aid Trump, but was not denying that Russia “meddled” in the general way I talked about in the last thread, just tossing out bait to get the predictable Left to pick up a false trail and follow it, baying like hounds on the scent.

    I don’t think anyone has claimed that Russia did NOTHING during the election, but as I said, there doesn’t seem to be much detail on the difference between general troublemaking and stirring up trouble. And it is a key difference.

    The problem with Trump is that his mind goes faster than his mouth, and he tends to leapfrog over key points.

    I know how sometimes people get fixated on a single aspect of a problem and become blind to the rest of it. I’m dealing with that now in a remodeling project—-there is a problem with tying in the valleys on the roof to make sure the fall is adequate to keep the velocity of the water high enough, but one contractor is obsessed with what will happen to the water once it gets out of the valleys. That has never been the problem, once the proper gutter and downspout were installed, but for some reason he is fixated on that part of the roof because of evidence of some damage before the drainage was corrected, and when I talk about correcting angles and pitches where the valleys meet I get a blank look. He has had three different roof experts out to look at it, and quite sincerely explains to me their inability to deal with the water flow once it gets past the valleys, louder every time because as a woman I can’t understand things unless they are repeated with increasing volume, but when I ask him what he told these roofing people it turns out that he always pointed to the area HE thinks is the problem. So that is what they talk about, He points to the area that bothers him and asks what can be done about it, they say nothing really CAN be done about it, and this keeps him up at night. I’m going to have to talk to roofers myself and tell them the real problem area, and keep him out of it, because he is absolutely blind to the real problem. I’ll probably have to get up on the roof myself to go over it with them.

    I have to wonder if Trump is similarly so fixated on the claim that he and Russia colluded, conflating a report from the intelligence agencies that say they agree that Russia “meddled” with a report saying Russia influenced the election in his favor because of a deal he made with them, that the simpler aspect of plain old general “meddling” has not sunk in.

    I also doubt very very seriously that Trump is taken in by Putin, fooled by him. Trump spend half a century dealing with union bosses and mob bosses, and Putin is just a bigger version of that kind of tyrant and crook. There is a term used in poker, and probably in other activities as well—“sandbagging”. You play nice till it’s time to not play nice any more.

    What is never discussed by those squealing about how Trump got played by Putin is what they think he should have said or done. Scowled at him? Kick him in the knee? Call him names? Yeah, like THAT would have played well with the mob. We can hear their screeching and outrage from here—“Trump is a moron, a bully, we need someone who understands DIPLOMACY instead of a jerk who doesn’t even know how to talk to heads of state.”

    Look at the howls about how Trump, a very tall man with long legs, for a moment got a step or two ahead of tiny little Queen Elizabeth as they reviewed the troops. BREACH OF PROTOCOL they howled, you NEVER turn your back on the Queen! What a rude ruffian! What an embarrassment to the United States! Oh, the shame! Yet they were fine with Michelle Obama putting her hands on the Queen, a much greater and more personal breach of royal etiquette. Grab the queen, but don’t walk faster than she does, not even for a step or two.

    No matter what Trump does or says, the Left will act as if it is the end of the world and justifies subversion of our election process to just un-elect him, or an effort to mount a coup, or just take over the country.

  3. Retired Spook July 17, 2018 / 10:53 am

    Put the Trump-Putin meeting in context with the way the media fawned over Obama’s meeting with the Castros and Hugh Chavez, and the double standard just about knocks you over.

    There is a term used in poker, and probably in other activities as well—“sandbagging”. You play nice till it’s time to not play nice any more.

    And Trump has proved time after time that he’s a master at sandbagging. The mistake most make is a knee-jerk criticism of Trump’s words and actions because they’re playing checkers while Trump is playing three dimensional chess. Has Trump made mistakes? Sure, but I can’t think of any that had serious consequences. He’s just playing a lot longer game than virtually all of his critics.

  4. casper3031 July 17, 2018 / 4:06 pm

    “I didn’t see the presser”

    Of course you didn’t and at this point I would suggest you don’t. Watching “Dear Leader” cower in front of one to the biggest thugs on the planet would probably give you a stroke.

    • Amazona July 17, 2018 / 7:33 pm

      Really? Did he do an imitation of those old diving duck toys, with his ass in the air paying homage to a tryant in the general area of his belt buckle? Did he hug him and walk around with a blissful sappy grin on his face and the tyrant’s book clutched to his bosom?

      Cower? Oh. I didn’t realize he promised to be more flexible—that is, give the tyrant his own way—-once an election was over. Or did he send an emissary, tittering like a school girl and nearly peeing down her leg in submission, to give him a present promising to be nicer to him than the former president?

      What the press conference did was give you Lefties a group orgasm. I’ll bet your chins were quivering with glee. You hoped the NoKo talks would fail, you hope the Russia talks will fail, because you would celebrate anything that you can use as ammunition to hurl against Trump even if it is bad for the United States. Basically, what is bad for the nation is good for the Left, while what is good for the Left is bad for the nation.

    • tiredoflibbs July 20, 2018 / 12:23 pm

      Maybe Trump should have included a little bow to Putin, the way Obama offered to any leader who were clearly HIS superior.

      • Retired Spook July 20, 2018 / 12:30 pm

        Hey old friend. Long time no see. How have you been?

      • tiredoflibbs July 21, 2018 / 11:06 am

        Hello RS. Been very busy with life…. work…. family. But doing well.

  5. fieldingclaymore July 17, 2018 / 4:12 pm

    Did you see the walk back of the presser? Yikes! The world is laughing at him.

  6. Amazona July 17, 2018 / 7:35 pm

    Oh, Sweetie, if being laughed at would harm a presidency Barry wouldn’t have made it to his second anniversary, much less his second term.

  7. Amazona July 17, 2018 / 8:41 pm

    Of course, we all realize that dignity is every so important to the Left. A description of a Lefty marcher: “…dressed in her finest vaginery, at the Million Muff March..” And of course they demand that their riots meet the highest standards of dignity, and expect all protocols to be honored in the ritual pooping on police cars.

    When shouting the F-bomb at reporters, the president and bystanders, dignity is especially essential.

    These high standards of dignity were set by President Barry, as he exhibited how to be classy while wearing elastic-waist Mom Jeans and a bobblehead helmet. His deep bows to various tyrants illustrated how low a president should go, which from most photographic records indicate a worship of the crotch. The dignity of Mrs. Barry was famed, as she walked across stages as if she was killing ants, and manhandled the Queen of England.

    And now we have the standards of dignity established by the Obamas being turned upside down by the Trump. Awwwwww

    • casper3031 July 17, 2018 / 9:07 pm

      Do you feel that Trump was correct in taking Putin’s word over the his own intelligence agencies? Headed by people he appointed? How does that put America first? I’m sure that you are thrilled that he attacked our strongest allies while kissing up to the biggest thug on the planet. If you don’t have a answer right now, that’s okay. Tomorrow “Dear Leader” will tweet your new talking points.

      • Amazona July 18, 2018 / 9:20 am

        Oh, dear, Cappy, you chugged that Kool-Aid a little too fast and got brain freeze, didn’t you? Though that can’t account for your long and rather sad history of being so absolutely AWFUL at processing information. You have just become an even more obedient little parrot, repeating what you are told. I suggest you go back and read a couple of my posts on this thread. One is about the need to define “meddling” and one is about the Left losing all sense of personal dignity it its scramble for the bottom.

        Here you manage to cram in so many of your minders’ talking points I am quite impressed. Let’s see—-you claim Trump took Putin’s word over his own intelligence agencies, seem to think that the fact he appointed some of those people makes a difference, now suddenly want America to be “first” after applauding an 8-year apology tour insisting America should never have had the temerity to be proud, much less “first”, the silly claim that Trump “attacked our strongest allies” when he did no such thing, “kissed up to the biggest thug on the planet” and of course that I, like all conservatives, take my marching orders from Trump tweets.

        You go right ahead slurping up the swill you find so tasty and then regurgitating it because it tastes even better the second time around. It’s what we expect of you. In all these years you have never even approached an intelligent post, much less landed one. But what has always impressed me about you has been your willingness—–no, your eagerness—-to play the fool. It’s as if that little voice says “Hey, Casper, it’s been a while since you’ve dropped in at B4V—-maybe you should gather up some of your more inane ideas and trot on over there to remind them of how utterly clueless you are. It’s not as if you care that they think you are a doofus.”

        Barry groveled to the thugs of the world, bowed in submission to its tyrants, and apologized for America’s greatness. And none of that elevated the nation in the eyes of “the world” you fret about, in that fretful way of yours. You loved having a president known as the bootlicker-in-chief. Good for you. That was your standard for the presidency, and it made you feel and warm and gooey all over, as you knotted your Obama necktie under your chins and headed out to un-educate the children of Casper, Wyoming.

        No wonder you are not happy to have a president who is openly proud to be an American, openly loves America, and demands that America be treated with respect. I personally don’t give a flip if the people in those countries “like” us or not. I don’t think much of them, and their personal opinions are meaningless to me, as they seem to be constructed of the used toilet paper you use to form your own. When a nation willingly sacrifices the best interests of its citizens and its own national identity to posture as being somehow morally superior by opening its doors to a ravaging horde of cultural vandals, it has no standing to judge this country. All I care about, as European country after European country hits the skids due to Leftist destruction of its history and tradition and national identity, is that these countries at least pay for their own defense, instead of taking our money with one hand while flipping us off with the other. Almost everything foreigners “know” about the United States, and Americans, they got from CNN and Hollywood anyway.

        If you get the vapors over that, and decide to call it “attacking”, well you can go back up a few lines to where I comment that you’ve never been right so far.

        You are just silly. Vapid and silly.

      • tiredoflibbs July 20, 2018 / 12:26 pm

        “…taking Putin’s word over the his own intelligence agencies”
        Ohhhh…, so now libs believe intelligence agencies’ word as gospel?
        Like they did with Iraqi intelligence on WMDs? ISIS? Benghazi? whatever…..

        Libs use anything for political expediency.

  8. Retired Spook July 18, 2018 / 9:38 am

    I don’t listen to Glenn Beck much anymore, but I happened to have him on in the car while I was taking my dog to the groomer this morning. He was talking about how it’s been revealed that the FBI had Hillary’s 30,000 missing emails for over a year, and how they’ve determined that all but 4 of the 30,000 were hacked by a state entity — NOT RUSSIA. Also that during that time frame the CIA’s network in China was completely compromised with all agents either killed or imprisoned. Has anyone else heard or read anything about this? I like to think I’m pretty well informed, but this is the first I’ve heard of this.

    • Amazona July 18, 2018 / 10:17 am

      That sound interesting, and I want to look into it. Beck might get a little overheated on some subjects, but I think when he states a fact it is really a fact.

      The Complicit Agenda Media and the corrupted elements of the FBI and possibly CIA have been working very hard to throw so much chaff at us (note to Casper: look it up, I am tired of explaining things to you) to confuse everyone so the facts are buried in the clutter. I think the facts are there, and can probably be unearthed by people who know how to sift through the purposely complicated mess they have concocted.

      I have been reading a series of books about cyberterrorism, written by a top engineer of Windows and with one of them co-authored by Kevin Mitnick, the hacker once known as the top hacker in the world. I know the details of the plots are fiction, but I have a feeling they are based on real knowledge about real defects and weaknesses in our computer world. The main message is that our biggest threat is not nuclear, biological or chemical, or planes flying into buildings, but the ability of foreign powers to shut down our electrical grids by hacking into their control systems, etc. And the big brain behind the invasions of digital systems is China.

      These guys are writing about flaws in the most sophisticated and complex systems designed for our intelligence agencies, to control our nuclear weaponry and ships at sea and our electrical grids and so on, and Hillary’s server was primitive by comparison. Once its existence was known, it probably could have been hacked by a high school computer club. When John “How was I to know it wasn’t really a Nigerian prince?” Podesta was successfully phished and his email was open to scrutiny, anyone who didn’t already know Hillary’s email address and server setup could have tracked her through his emails. The elaborate fantasies of the fever swamp Left, of her server ONLY being hacked by RUSSIA and then only after receiving coded instructions from Donald Trump in a televised debate, blahblahblahblahblah, serve to provide volumes of pap to feed to the sheeple, but I have always been confident that the entire communication record of the Secretary of State was an open book to several bad actors and maybe even some talented amateurs just doing it for grins.

      What I did not know is that the FBI had these hacked records for so long, had made determinations about who had hacked the server, and never said a word while all this melodrama has been swirling around Trump and RUSSIA!!!!!! and that is what I would like to learn more about.

      I also wonder if Trump, who probably had access to this information about the FBI and its conclusions, was referring to it while not being open about it, in his comments.

  9. Amazona July 18, 2018 / 10:41 am

    I am sure Spook is getting ready to quote Kurt Schlichter, but can I, just this once?

    Donald Trump goes to Europe, scandalizes the Euroweenies, libs, and cruise-shilling grifters of Never Trump, and comes back victorious. He’s about to get his second SCOTUS justice confirmed – all they have on Brett Kavanaugh is that he likes beer and is named “Brett.” In Congress, the Democrats decided to go all in on abolishing ICE because Americans love open borders and welcome MS-13 or something. In the Mueller farce, the Dems decided that the smart play was to publicly run interference for creepy weirdo Peter Strzok when he went on national TV doing his impression of Lotion Boy from Silence of the Lambs.

    Hey Pete, what do those Trump voters smell like? Smells like a red wave to me, you insipid weirdo.

    How did Trump luck out by getting such hopeless geebos for opponents? It can’t just be chance. At every turn, these dummies choose to lock themselves into the most implausible and indefensible positions imaginable, then push all their chips into the center of the table. It’s almost supernatural – maybe Trump won the intervention of some ancient demon by heading over to the offices of the Weekly Standard and snatching away one of its Never Trump scribblers to use as a virgin sacrifice.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/07/16/its-undeniable-trump-is-blessed-with-really-stupid-enemies

    Euroweenies, libs, and cruise-shilling grifters of Never Trump. I laughed out loud, especially as I keep getting invitations pleas to please PLEASE PLEASE come on a cruise with us so you can join us in wallowing in flop-sweat loathing of All That Is Trump.

    Not to mention the sly reference to someone, possibly anyone, from the Weekly Standard qualifying as a “virgin sacrifice”.

    • Retired Spook July 18, 2018 / 10:50 am

      I almost linked to the exact same excerpt yesterday, but I figured I’ve kind of overdone Schlichter recently. I laughed out loud as well. I don’t think there’s another Conservative writer who does Lib ridicule as well as Kurt Schoichter. And I do get the sense that Democrats are pushing “all their chips to the center of the table,” with, as some pundit observed yesterday, a pair of 2’s against Republicans full house. You notice NO ONE in the media is talking about a Red Wave anymore.

  10. Retired Spook July 18, 2018 / 10:43 am

    As usual, Rush nails it.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the Democrat Party in this country used to sleep overnight with Soviets and Russians. They used to be in bed with each other against Ronald Reagan. The idea that the Democrats are outraged that somebody would not treat Vladimir Putin as an enemy of America is just simply silly! It wasn’t that long ago where the Democrat Party hated the CIA, hated the intelligence community, and loved Soviet, and Cuban, and Chinese communists!

    Now all of a sudden, the Democrat Party loves the intelligence community and hates the Russians? Come on, folks. It’s all made up! That’s why it’s unrealistic. They’re exaggerating it. None of this is real. There isn’t any real outrage. It’s all faux and manufactured, and that’s why they’re taking it over the top. That’s why it appears unhinged and hysterical, because it is! It’s a bunch of untrained actors trying to act the part, and they’re goin’ way overboard.

    • Amazona July 18, 2018 / 12:54 pm

      They get away with it with their base, like the Caspers, because these are people who never engage their brains and just flow along the surface of the sewage that carries them. They have no memories, so the former Leftist positions outlined by Rush just never happened. Like the poor befuddled basset hound in the Dog IQ Challenge, once something is no longer in front of them they simply forget that it ever existed. To the basset hound, once the paper cup was placed over the dog treat, the treat simply ceased to exist and was wiped from memory, just as to the basset Libs once their minders stop telling them fables about how wonderful Russia is and how lucky we are to be best buds with Putin they can easily flip to the new narrative of how awful Russia is and Putin is evil incarnate.

  11. Amazona July 18, 2018 / 1:05 pm

    I’m not sure what to think of Bill Bonner. He’s an interesting guy, with an interesting life, and absolute conviction of his utter rightness in every one of his opinions. He does know a lot of people who also know a lot of people, and every now and then comes up with something interesting.

    Here is what he had to say in his Diary email from this morning. I only post it because it ties in with Spook’s comment on the FBI and CIA, above:

    And here is Indiana Representative Jim Banks:

    “I want President Trump’s diplomatic efforts to be successful, but I’ll take the word of a Hoosier over Vladimir Putin any day.”

    The word he was taking was what U.S. intelligence agencies were putting out – that is to say, the word of Deep State operatives. Their claim was that Russia hacked into U.S. computers, specifically the systems of the Democratic National Committee, to try to influence the presidential election of 2016.

    We bring the Deep State into the conversation because it may turn out to be the “who” in this “who-dunnit.”

    Regular readers will remember that the Deep State is the loose collection of special interests… government insiders… and financial elites that control the country.

    Remember, too, that Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto described how all governments are taken over by the “foxes” – aka the Deep State – smart, elite insiders who use the power of the state for their own purposes.

    The Deep State is the major beneficiary of the Warfare State, the Welfare State, and the Police State. And if Donald J. Trump really was a threat to any of them, the insiders had a better motive than the Russians for wanting to slow him down.

    Besides, U.S. intelligence agencies had much more money to work with… much more talent to draw on… and many more opportunities to get up to mischief.

    That’s why some analysts believe that the mischief at the heart of the Russiagate story was more likely gotten up to by U.S. spooks rather than foreign ones.

    Two retired NSA and CIA analysts, William Binney and Ray McGovern, with a combined 63 years of experience, came forward over the weekend and made an astounding charge.

    They said the hack – made by a program called “Guccifer” – was almost certainly an inside job, carried out by America’s own intelligence professionals and made to look like a Russian job.

    Want to know where Guccifer came from? “Ask the FBI,” proposed the two intelligence experts.

    I was intrigued by that reference to making the hack look like a Russian job, as I have always been suspicious of the suddenly crude and clumsy “Russian hack”, littered with clues pointing to Russia. Even some intelligence officers commented on how it differed from prior, slick and sophisticated, Russian hacks. My joke was that it was such a setup to point to Russia that all it lacked was a note in the wastebasket saying “Boris—-buy more vodka”. And now two intelligence agency analysts, from two different agencies, are saying the same thing.

    It would be nice if we could just see a thread and pull on it and have the whole tangle unravel, but I have a feeling some people are going to have to follow that thread through elaborate mazes of lies and false leads and planted misinformation to be able to get to the other end.

    • M. Noonan July 19, 2018 / 1:22 am

      I’ve been thinking for a long number of years that the CIA needs to be abolished – I just don’t trust it, as an institution. Mind, I do believe there are some stellar patriots in there, but I think that when it was first put together in the 1940’s, they didn’t take care about who was recruited and so they were likely penetrated from Day One by Soviet agents…and those agents went on to recruit and promote same and it’s just gone on and on. Its not like Soviet spies in the US were suddenly out of a job when the USSR fell…they were still spies, but now working for Russia rather than the USSR.

      The CIA has just gotten too many things wrong too consistently over time for me to believe otherwise – everyone makes mistakes, but the CIA’s history is littered with mistakes. I say, abolish it. And I’m starting to think it was a mistake to have an FBI…the US Marshall’s service is probably good enough to arrest bad guys and the US Attorney’s are pretty cracker jack at investigations. The FBI seems to me, more and more, just an empire built by a rent-seeker by the name of J Edgar Hoover and perpetuated by successor rent-seekers.

  12. Retired Spook July 18, 2018 / 1:36 pm

    Just about the time you think the Left can’t get any more unhinged, they do.

    • Amazona July 18, 2018 / 2:10 pm

      We need to publicize this kind of atrocity, to help the Left accelerate its death spiral.

    • jdge1 July 19, 2018 / 11:23 pm

      This is the same kind of reaction we get from Islamic people as a group. Anything bad that happens to America in their eyes is good.

      This is just the kind of thing elitists people in power do to stir up distractions in order to downplay the accomplishments of the opposition or to instigate people who are more easily swayed by emotional string tugs into acts of hatred & violence.

      I could easily see how these type of flared emotions, particularly those that result in acts of violence could create the reaction / counter reaction that the leftist minders hope to flame. Though I have felt the need / desire to strike back in a resounding, powerful, militaristic way against those to oppose God, the Constitution and freedoms as defined within it, the rule of law particularly moral law, I realize the end result of such a confrontation would be significant destruction that I’d much prefer to avoid. Though it may be unavoidable, we can certainly act in ways to help deter it. I think we’ve all seen the power of truth and prayer in action. For example, Norma Rae has gone from the poster child advocating for abortion to a staunch pro-life activist. How did that happen? Or the former abortionist doctor who performed thousands of abortions but are now vocal pro-life. What inspired them to change? Often, it can be found in acts of kindness from someone once thought of as “the enemy”. Sometimes it’s the unavoidable hypocrisy and lies that come to light from those who supposedly stood with them. Given the chance I’d much rather engage this method of change. The truth is, God can change hearts faster and stronger than anything I can do. To that end I pray.

      • Amazona July 20, 2018 / 9:07 pm

        A nurse who used to assist in abortions was handling instruments in a “partial birth abortion” when the baby, most of its body outside the birth canal, grasped her finger as if begging for help, and clutched it, writhing in pain, till it died. She broke down, never participated in another abortion, and became a pro-life activist.

        The frantic efforts to keep the realities of “partial birth abortions” from being made public showed the realization of the abortion promoters that this would shift opinion far to the side of, at the very least, banning abortions after the first trimester.

        Most abortion protesters are quiet, loving people who merely want to present a graphic truth to the frightened, panicky women entering abortion clinics. Abortions dropped off considerably when clinics opened up near their locations advertising and offering counseling and alternatives. When you compare the kind and Christian approaches to these women with the strident, demanding and hateful rhetoric of those advocating abortions, the contrast is clear.

        I think the most effective thing we could do would be to sue school districts for the ability to offer a two hour mandatory class for all high school freshmen or sophomores in which the reality of abortion is explained. It would be a requirement for graduation. Showing ultrasounds of babies in the womb—the new 3-D ultrasounds actually show the expressions on the baby’s face—and explaining that these children have thought processes, can feel pain, and have personalities, would go a long way toward canceling out the false claims made by the abortion promoters.

        I remember seeing an interview with a woman who asked her two teenaged daughters what they thought her reaction would be if either of them were to become pregnant, and they immediately said she would hate them for it. She was stunned, and horrified. She was very close to her daughters, and the idea that they actually believed she would turn against them at a time like that was very upsetting. She talked with them and told them that her love for them was unconditional, that nothing would ever change that, and they spent a lot of very emotional time discussing this. She wondered, in the interview, how many mothers and fathers have ever had that conversation with their daughters. Every teenager should see that interview.

        Every teenager should be made aware of the resources available for unwed mothers, ranging from adoptions where the adoptive parents provide emotional and financial support during the pregnancy and for some time afterward, to the kind of program in my church which provides a safe and loving home during pregnancy and for six months afterward, helping girls who want to keep their children, and helping them find housing and jobs at the end of that period.

        We would, I think, make a little more progress if we were to use the rhetoric of the pro-abortion crowd and say that choice is important and should never be denied, but that true choice depends on having ALL the information there is about anything before making a decision. Without all the information, it is not a choice, it is a guess. We could, if we put forth a concerted effort, back school boards and teachers into a corner by pointing out that if they refuse to provide full disclosure to their students, male and female, about ALL the facts about abortion, and ALL the options, they are not promoting true choice but instead trying to herd young people into an action that is irreversible and often has lifelong consequences of guilt and remorse.

  13. Retired Spook July 19, 2018 / 10:37 am

    Finally someone has a reasoned response to the Trump-Putin Summit and the rhetoric surrounding it.

    I don’t know whether Putin can be reasoned with. But I believe that if anyone can do it, Donald Trump can. This is what made me think this past week of all those litigations I helped to resolve. Negotiations are often fluid. They take time and patience, as well as threats and flattery, and they cannot be successful under a microscope.

    Stated differently, Trump knows how to negotiate, and his skills cannot be assessed midstream — because midstream is often muddy and muddled. Trump’s efforts this week were just a beginning. His public praise of Putin and giving moral equivalence to Putin and our intelligence services were not to state truths but to influence Putin’s thinking in order to bend Putin’s will — eventually — to his own.

    • Amazona July 19, 2018 / 10:58 am

      We have to wonder what the Left would have Trump do in a meeting with Putin. Spit on his shoes and call him names? Remember, this is the same mob that howled, when Trump was discussing the United States’ disinclination to be bullied, that he was a warmonger and would kill us all and his tough stances would lead to the end of all human life on the planet and we needed a calm president who understood diplomacy. Then, a couple of months later, when his diplomatic approach to tyrants like Kim and Putin result in their willingness to talk to him and state, publicly, a willingness to negotiate with him, the same howling mob become apoplectic because he was too diplomatic.

      Poor Casper’s chins are still quivering in what passes for rage in this timid little meat puppet of the Left.

      When the US intelligence services said there were WMD in Iraq, they were savaged by the Left. When they crumbled before the Wrath of Leftism and said well, gee, maybe remnants of WMD and their delivery mechanisms didn’t really mean there had been WMD there at all—-leaving out an explanation of what those remnants really DID mean—–suddenly the IC was wonderful and back in the club. They were horrible big meanies when comparing notes on Bill Clinton’s illegal foreign campaign contributions, but once Jamie Gorelick fixed that by making it illegal for them to share information they were allowed back in the fold, safely defanged and tamed. They were puppets of a revived savage right-wing conspiracy when they started to look into the multi-layered complexities of Hillary Clinton’s illegal server, till obedient little puppy Comey took his cue from his boss after her meeting with Bill and declared that you can commit all the crimes you want, as long as there was never an intent for your illegal activities to be, well, you know, ILLEGAL. Knowing they were illegal didn’t count. Doing them while knowing they were illegal didn’t count. You had to make a declaratory statement “My intent is to break the law” to have it count. Then the FBI was cool again.

      Well, they were scolded once Hillary lost because then the story was that it was their effort to straddle the problem by then reopening their investigation that lost her the election (at least that was among the 732 reasons given over the months following her defeat) and then they were junk again. Till Trump started to look into their shady activities and manipulations to try to get Hillary elected, and then when the Trump DOJ started to look into misdeeds by the FBI and the CIA and whoever they became heroes and martyrs and symbols of all that is good and pure in America, under attack by the evil Orange One.

      At least this has cleared up one mystery for me. I used to wonder why the Left never cared about John F’n Kerry’s flip flops and contradictory positions, and now I realize he was just playing by the Dem playbook, which pretty much demands this kind of, as Barry might call it, “flexibility”.

      • Retired Spook July 19, 2018 / 11:22 am

        We talked a while back about how to answer a Liberal who asks you what side of the political spectrum you fall on. Your last sentence reminds me of another — “I fall on the side that doesn’t have a flexible moral code.”

      • Retired Spook July 19, 2018 / 11:32 am

        You rightly commented yesterday that I have linked to a lot of Kurt Schlichter’s articles lately, so I won’t link to today’s article, but I thought you’d get a chuckle out of his name for the Women’s March vagina hats: “gyno-beanies.”

    • M. Noonan July 19, 2018 / 11:53 pm

      Actually, Trump has been negotiating with Putin for a while. This was part of it:

      In the first audio clip, a man says, “One squadron fucking lost 200 people…right away, another one lost 10 people…and I don’t know about the third squadron but it got torn up pretty badly, too…. So three squadrons took a beating.”

      The man explains that American forces used artillery and helicopter gunships to repel the assault. “They were all shelling the holy fuck out of it, and our guys didn’t have anything besides the assault rifles…. Nothing at all, I’m not even talking about shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that…. They tore us to pieces, put us through hell,” he says.

      No one knows precisely how many Russians died – but the unit was apparently around 500-600 men and, at the end of the day, suffered nearly 100% casualties, with death estimates ranging from 200-400. This happened a little more than five months ago. How many heard of it? Not many – the MSM reported it, but didn’t give it the round-the-clock coverage necessary to implant it in the public mind. If you didn’t casually see the story when it happened, you never heard of it.

      The official word – and the official description – is that the Russians were mercenaries. But that is nonsense…Russia is a tightly controlled dictatorship and that many Russian soldiers are not going to get permission to go free lance in Syria. Trump was sending a message: don’t mess with us, Putin. And I think Putin got it. He’s lots of things, but no fool: there’s a new President in charge of the United States and the eight years of us rolling over for Russia (longer if you consider that W completely flunked when Russia invaded Georgia) are over. Putin won’t give back what he’s got, and he’ll still grab if he thinks he can get away with it – but he will not get into actual confrontation with us. That is why it is time to talk nice about him…allow him to climb down gracefully.

      • Amazona July 20, 2018 / 9:16 pm

        And we won’t hear about it, because it blows huge holes in the whole “Putin’s Puppet” narrative.

        I am fine with Trump showing the world a generous treatment of Putin. There is nothing to be gained by doing otherwise. A big part of diplomacy and negotiations is allowing the other guy to save face, to preserve the illusion that he is doing whatever he is doing because he chooses to, not because he is being forced to.

        Russia tested the water with that attack, and found that it was full of sharks. Lesson learned. Suddenly he was ready to go public with Trump and make nice in front of the cameras. Putin is a thug—-if he thought he was holding a winning hand he would not have done that.

        When you are in an all-out war, and you win, and you win decisively, you can humiliate your enemy by forcing him to submit, as we did after WW II. We were not kind to Japan. We not only dominated them in the war, we humiliated Japan’s leadership and made them publicly submit to our authority. That is war. But diplomacy requires, as TR said, speaking softly but carrying a big stick.

      • M. Noonan July 21, 2018 / 12:01 am

        Yep – there’s a reason they are called “the diplomatic niceties”. What was Trump supposed to do? Get up in Putin’s grill in front of the cameras? It is just too stupid for words.

      • Amazona July 21, 2018 / 9:40 pm

        When Trump talked tough, the Left went into mass, coordinated apoplexy. HE’S INSANE! HE’S GOING TO START A NUCLEAR WAR!! WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! EVERYONE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH IS GOING TO DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!

        “Oh why, oh why, oh WHY couldn’t we have a president who understands DIPLOMACY! they mourned. If only our president understood that he has to TALK to other leaders!

        When was all that? Two months ago? Three?

        Then he was diplomatic with Kim Jung Un, and it was unforgivable. Then he was diplomatic with Putin, and it was worse. Suddenly the basic tenets of diplomatic relationships between world leaders were really cowardice, groveling, weakness, and morally relativistic. Courtesy was a sign of cravenness, and to some Loony Tunes it was TREASON!!! Yes, hang the guy, he was giving aid and comfort to ……well, we aren’t at war, but some kind of enemy, maybe, probably, kind of. By being polite.

        They don’t even TRY to pose as decent, as having a shred of personal dignity. Those are alien concepts. You are right—–they are too stupid for words.

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