Open Thread

So, the IG report came out – and after spending hundreds of pages revealing how many things were done wrong, it concluded with an essentially, “hey, sorry; my bad” statement. This is drivel – no one is that incompetent; what was done to engineer the spying on Trump was obviously criminal…and downright un-American. I hope that Barr and his crew will go after these people. Some statements made after the release of the report indicate he might. We’ll have to wait and see. As for me, I’m more convinced than ever that the FBI has to go. It simply can’t be trusted.

Rumor has it that the House will settle on two articles of impeachment: Obstructing Congress and Abuse of Power. Which is garbage. The Executive can’t obstruct Congress no more than Congress and obstruct the President. They are co-equal branches of government and neither has to bend the knee to the other. As for Abuse of Power…it sounds like something, but it isn’t. Note that colluding and bribery and so forth won’t make an appearance. Which means even after the Democrats rigged hearings to ensure something bad about Trump came out, they still came up with nothing.

Will they vote on them? Remains to be seen. Could be that they went with two very nebulous articles so that if a vote is held, the trial in the Senate is over quickly. Those two articles can be done in a day because there’s not much to say about them, on either side…and it is at least a chance that things like the Bidens won’t even be brought up in such a trial.

Its polls, but as our Experts still seem to live and die by them, this poll has to be giving them fits: it shows Trump surging in the battleground States. Make of it what you will – and even if we start to see lots of Trump-positive polls, don’t take them to heart. Work next year like we’re down by ten and only a miracle of effort will scrape Trump through.

Seems that Prince Andrew invited both Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein to his daughter’s 18th birthday party back in 2006. That grosses you out because of what you know, now…but what really nauseated me was the description of the party. A little girl’s 18th birthday – it cost 400,000 pounds. They were awash in champagne and food and had an orchestra. Who the heck are these people? Where did they come from? Why are we allowing them to keep living like that?

36 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. JeremiahTMM December 10, 2019 / 1:40 am

    I believe so, as well, Mark. Both AG Barr and the attorney he appointed for the criminal investigation both disagree with IG Horowitz’s conclusions.

    There is indeed a criminal enterprise within the CIA and the FBI to devise plans to overthrow the American electoral vote. A coup as has been said over and over, which is something that, if done 200 years ago would necessitate the death penalty.

    This is all a plan to try and secure the Supreme Court, because the Democrats are immoral, they have immoral plans for America, and they cannot possibly get their immoral agendas passed if they don’t get rid of Trump as fast as they possibly can so they can run rough shod over everyone both in government and citizenry.

    • larrysinclair99 December 10, 2019 / 8:49 pm

      For three years, Trump and his allies said that the IG report would prove that the Russian investigation was a “Deep State” plot produced by bias. A horrible libel against the FBI. The IG report proves that Trump and allies are liars. Where’s the accountability?

      • Amazona December 10, 2019 / 11:31 pm

        You just keep pretending that the IG report didn’t point out egregious moral and legal failures at the highest levels of the FBI.

        The IG report proves that Trump and allies are liars.

        Except no, it doesn’t. What it proves is that the original premise of the “investigation” was thin, barely enough to justify it, and that after the initial inquiry all the Deep State actors acted dishonorably, dishonestly and without integrity—-and possibly illegally.

        Where’s the accountability? Accountability should be the LAST thing your kind wants, because it will make you very very unhappy. But never fear, it is on its way in the Durham report and subsequent indictments.

        Buckle up, buttercup—for you and your kind it is going to be a bumpy ride. The only insult to the FBI is what has been dumped on it by its “leaders” and we are in the process of fixing that so the loyal and hardworking and ethical members of that organization can hold their heads high again.

  2. Cluster December 10, 2019 / 9:21 am

    So ….. no collusion with Russia? No bribery?? I thought for sure when Pelosi took the podium the other day with all of her hand movements that they for sure had a bribery charge. Even the media went all in on the bribery charge calling her “masterful”, but that’s not included in the impeachment charges?? Weird.

  3. Cluster December 10, 2019 / 10:09 am

    MSNBC – “500 of the finest legal scholars in America have concluded that President Trump has committed impeachable offenses”

    500?? Wow

    MSNBC – “The case for bribery was left out because the legal scholars and Democrats concluded that the bribery charge was too confusing and they wanted to narrow the scope”

    Bribery can be confusing especially when you’re making it up.

    Nancy Pelosi – “It’s a solemn day”

    YCMTSU but they are

    • Amazona December 10, 2019 / 11:14 am

      I imagine those 500 finest legal scholars can also explain why it is OK to violate the U.S. Constitution, why it’s OK to use federal agencies to spy on political opponents and why it is OK to shift legislative powers to unelected political appointees in newly-empowered (by presidential fiat, not by Congress) federal agencies to expand into a de facto fourth branch of government and assume the ability to make laws. I’m sure they will also be happy to explain why the makeup of the Supreme Court should be “balanced” so there is equal representation of the belief that the Constitution is basically irrelevant when it comes to governing, instead of being unanimously dedicated to nothing but applying the Constitution as it is written to lower court rulings.

      This country has been dragged onto a slippery slope of rapidly degrading allegiance to the nation, allegiance to the Constitutional rule of law and allegiance to God, by the same “fine legal scholars” who can now find, in the words of President Trump, things he never said and crimes that never existed.

      And who counted them? Did they advertise for “fine legal scholars” who were willing to stake their reputations on declaring their belief in the voices in their heads more than the actual voice of the president? And then stop when they came to 500?

      • Cluster December 10, 2019 / 11:27 am

        It’s just an absurd claim designed to convince their minions that they are right because 500 legal scholars agree with them. It’s much like science by consensus in terms of climate change. Rather than facts, Democrats now rely on opinions from “experts” on all matters.

        Slippery slope indeed

    • Retired Spook December 10, 2019 / 11:27 am

      Bribery can be confusing especially when you’re making it up.


      One of two things happened. Either some very smart (with some small degree of intellectual honesty) lawyers told Nadler and Pelosi that there was simply no proof of bribery on the part of President Trump, OR they discovered that the founders’ concern about bribery was that the president might BE BRIBED by a foreign power, not the other way around.

      • Amazona December 10, 2019 / 12:01 pm

        Spook, I think it was probably the latter. They were pretty confident that they could assert that the president was trying to use American funds to bribe Ukraine into doing what he wanted, but the specter of having the actual words of the Founders entered into testimony about their intent regarding the word “bribery”, accompanied by the comment that anyone working to impeach someone on that claim had the obligation to find out what it really meant, was too great a possible embarrassment.

        They are not easily shamed, but this might have been a little too much, as it would not only destroy the claim but point out what is either dishonesty or stupidity on the part of the Star Chamber.

        I do think it would be smart or at least fun to point out, in a Senate trial, that the House used this term over and over for weeks, either knowing it didn’t apply or being too lazy or stupid to find out. Again—any House member who sat by and watched the “leadership” make this claim is guilty by association, of either dishonesty or stupidity.

        And it would be great chance to go after the press, as well. How many talking heads mouthed the word “bribery” without bothering to find out if it even applied?

        So much ammunition, so little time……….

      • M. Noonan December 10, 2019 / 5:45 pm

        They dropped bribery because to bring it up would pretty much force Joe Biden to testify.

  4. Amazona December 10, 2019 / 11:52 am

    Those two articles can be done in a day because there’s not much to say about them, on either side……..

    ….unless we take a page from the Dem playbook and expand the trial to include side issues we think are important.

    But forget about the Bidens. What matters here and now is the abuse of power of Congress. They want to talk about “abuse of power”? Well, go for it. Talk about the way the House of Representatives, once known as The Peoples’ House, was turned into the House of Partisan Spite and Malice. Most of all talk about the blatant hypocrisy in asserting that the President of the United States, in a private conversation with another head of state, abused his executive powers by asking that head of state to continue investigations into corruption that involved some highly placed Americans and then proceeding to use the power and status of Congress, through the House of Representatives, to try to mount a political coup on the president, to if not actually get him removed from office to at the very least taint his reelection prospects.

    THAT is “abuse of power”.

    Every Democrat who participated in or supported this effort is guilty of abuse of power. That cannot be stated loudly enough, or often enough. These people have power granted to them by their electorate, power to legislate laws for the good of the nation, and what did they do? They turned their backs on their actual delegated duties and used their authority to tie up the entire House of Representatives, ignoring the needs of the nation and wasting taxpayer dollars, to try to use that power to accomplish a partisan wholly political goal.

    I once read about a beloved farm dog that killed a chicken. Rather than put the dog down, the owner tied the dead chicken around his neck, where it stayed till it rotted off—and the dog never got close to a chicken again. That is the imagery I have in mind for the term “abuse of power”. Tie it around the necks of Pelosi and especially Schiff but also every single Dem in the House who did not have the integrity to stand up and point out the utter wrongness of what these people were trying to do. Turn that phrase “abuse of power” against them, tie it around their necks so they can never get away from the stink as we point out the REAL abuse of power they have been exhibiting.

    And to do this I would start at the very beginning, when someone abused his status, which allowed him to be part of the group listening to a phone call between the President of the United States and another head of state, to violate the trust placed in him and use what he heard—-or to be accurate, to use how he thought the words could be misstated and distorted—to either mount a coup against the presidency and unseat President Trump or at least to influence the upcoming election. They want to talk about “abuse of power”? Fine. Talk about it. Talk about it a lot. Starting with Vindman.

    Drag in Vindman, Ciaramella, his “bro” who was so conveniently hired by Schiff, Schiff himself, Atkinson and Pelosi. Spotlight the true abuses of power and position each of them represents. It doesn’t matter what claims they eventually settled on. What matters is how the process got started, and why it was allowed to continue. THIS is the abuse of power at its core, and it should be explored in great detail, naming names, getting sworn testimony and prosecuting who can prosecuted while getting rid of everyone involved. We can’t be distracted from the real issue here, which is not the final charges but the process itself.

    And while we’re at it, spotlight the abuse of power exhibited by the Complicit Agenda Media, naming names and going through at least some of the egregious abuses of the power of the press as they repeatedly, consistently, lied to support and promote the wholly political agenda of the House mob.

    Forget the Bidens for now. That is a different battle for a different time and place. Stay focused on the impeachment hearing charade itself. Take the phrase “abuse of power” and beat them soundly over the head with it. Start with a couple of real Constitutional scholars to point out the abject silliness and stupidity of “obstruction of Congress”, kill that off and move on to the real weapon they have given us, and make sure they regret ever hearing the words “abuse of power” as they are repeatedly rammed down their throats.

    Let’s be clear about this: They have tried to use this proceeding, shabby and shameful as it has been, to influence the president’s chances in 2020. So I think we should do the same thing, and use this to damage the chances of every single Democrat Representative in that election. That means not just hammering home the ugly truth that this was all an effort to manipulate the last election by getting rid of its winner or at the very least the next one by tainting its front-runner, and set up the campaign strategy for every Republican who wants to run for the seats held by these Dems. It means hanging the phrase “abuse of power” around their necks and using it against them, every one. Any Dem in the House who even tolerated this sham is guilty of either lack of integrity or abject stupidity, or both, and we would be foolish to pass up a chance to turn this against them.

    I would also take every opportunity to point out that in their quest for power they also made the United States Congress an international laughingstock, degrading its image and legacy as they turned it into a three ring circus led by a blatant and evidently congenital liar.

  5. Amazona December 10, 2019 / 12:17 pm

    From the Comments section of the Daily Signal:

    The IG Horowitz findings were as though after World War 2 the Nuremberg War Trials found that the Nazis committed no crimes and showed no bias toward the Jews, but found that 6 million technical errors were made.

    • Retired Spook December 10, 2019 / 1:36 pm

      Excellent analogy.

    • M. Noonan December 10, 2019 / 5:43 pm

      Another comment I saw: 400 pages of proof that OJ did it but then a statement that he wasn’t biased against Nicole…and used proper knife handling procedures.

    • larrysinclair99 December 10, 2019 / 8:50 pm

      You’re comparing this to the Holocaust? Shame on you.

      • Amazona December 10, 2019 / 11:26 pm

        You are very stupid. No one compared anything to the Holocaust. Check your history books—-the trials at Nuremberg took place long after the Holocaust. Good grief, can’t you people ever stop your griping, sniping, sneering, whining, scowling, prissy snottiness? Just for a minute? What a miserable bunch you are! Always snouting around looking for something to be offended by so you can get all squinty-eyed and pinched-lipped and scoldy.

  6. Cluster December 10, 2019 / 6:02 pm

    So the IG report drops and claims that there were valid grounds to launch the investigation but then details malfeasance, if not fraudulent efforts to obtain unwarranted FISA warrants against an American citizen. In other words, the FBI singled out, and illegally spied on four people associated with the Trump campaign and then lied about it. I understand why Durham is pursuing a criminal investigation.

    What’s worse, is the media. MSNBC is still, at this moment, pushing the narrative that “all roads lead to Putin” and that Trump is a Russian agent evidenced by the meeting with Lavrov today. After 2+ years of the most intense investigation in history which found zero evidence of cooperation or collusion, the media is still pushing the narrative. I have never seen anything this dishonest. It’s hard to believe but it’s happening.

    • Cluster December 11, 2019 / 9:36 am

      Indeed they will swallow anything and MSNBC seems a little worried this morning. They just finished a lengthy segment on the IG report and Barr’s claim of an “irresponsible media” pushing the bogus narrative. Now how did they cover that? By examining their reporting and sources and scrutinizing themselves for accuracies? Nope. They have chosen to attack Barr and imply he is working for the Russians.

      They have no shame and more importantly, they have zero accountability. The decision has been made at the top of NBC and CNN that the narrative to tarnish Trump is more important and will be pursued at any cost.

      • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 11:25 am

        This is why I think the Senate should have a pedal-to-the-metal all-out trial, in which the participating media should be called out, by name and with examples.

        I said I thought the House was the party guilty of abuse of power, and last night Laura Ingraham and several of her guests said the same thing. It’s time to openly identify the lapdog media, whoever they are, and put on the record their active participation in the lies and abuses promulgated by the House.

        Forget the Bidens. They are just distractions at this point. They are grifters and they took the US for millions if not billions of dollars because we looked the other way and were either part of the grift (Obama) or too delicate and conflict-averse to deal with it. If there is justice for them down the road, fine, but this is not the time or place.

        This is the time and place to drag out every nefarious corrupt abuse of power exhibited by the Deep State in its efforts to destroy Trump, get it all out into the open, lay it bare and explain it and track the fingerprints on it. I’m talking about not only identifying what they DID but how it fits into the overall Leftist pattern, of trying to legitimize Thought Crimes and tying that to Stalin and the horrors of Leftist governance when allowed to prevail.

        This House effort has opened so many doors into so many aspects of Leftism they usually try to keep hidden that we will be fools if we don’t march into those rooms and clean house. We have to point out the dangers of legitimizing persecution of people for what they believe, or what they are accused of believing, rather than what they do, because this is a danger to every single person living under the thumb of Leftist governance. We need to make it clear, hammer it home over and over again, that the pretexts for the Trump persecution and Star Chamber trials have always been not anything he DID but the Left’s belief that he can and should be punished for things he considered, or thought, or what interpretation has been put on what he said. We need to make it clear that the embedded agents of the Left spying on the president so they could report not what he said but what meaning was arbitrarily attributed to what he said represent the true nature of Leftism and its tyranny.

        This is so much bigger than Trump, so much bigger than this impeachment charade, and I am afraid the Right will be too squeamish, too delicate, to act on the opportunities handed to us. No, we’ll all mouth platitudes about just moving on, while the Left cranks up the heat more and more till we are all boiled in our own weakness and cowardice and reluctance to do what has to be done.

  7. Cluster December 11, 2019 / 9:58 am

    More garbage emanating from the media this morning. Time magazine has made the ugly and angry little bitch Greta Thunberg as person of the year. The media is officially void of any real substance or integrity and is nothing more than propaganda machines.

    Here is someone who should not only be person of the year, but celebrated in every corner of this world.

    • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 11:06 am

      Oh, you mean someone who actually DOES something, rather than just posture as being FOR something? How too too un-Leftist!

      Time is constantly trying to convince the nation of the correctness of its Leftist visions, and all it has done is erode its once-respected name and openly come out as nothing but a shill for the radical Left.

    • Amazona December 13, 2019 / 1:21 pm

      Cluster, I have read that a lot of Greta’s persona is due to her Asperger Syndrome. This was, for a long time, part of a general autism spectrum, though lately it is considered separate from autism itself.

      Positive characteristics of people with Asperger syndrome have been described as beneficial in many professions and include:

      the increased ability to focus on details,
      the capacity to persevere in specific interests without being swayed by others’ opinions,
      the ability to work independently,
      the recognition of patterns that may be missed by others,
      intensity, and
      an original way of thinking.

      I think we can see these traits in Greta, particularly her “capacity to persevere in specific interests without being swayed by others’ opinions” and her “intensity”. Add to this the fact that she has cruelly been manipulated by adults who have taken advantage of these characteristics and steered them in the direction of their own agendas and I think we can cut her some slack.

      Asperger’s syndrome is named for Dr. Hans Asperger, an Austrian pediatrician, who first described the condition in 1944. Dr. Asperger described four boys who showed “a lack of empathy, little ability to form friendships, one-sided conversation, intense absorption in a special interest, and clumsy movements.”

      So, while she is annoying when held up to us an expert and role model, I’d stop short of calling her names, or making fun of her facial expressions as she is working off a different mental and emotional basis than most of us as well as being controlled and manipulated by others to amplify her fears and anger. She is being tortured by images of death and doom and hopelessness, by people who should be held accountable for this child abuse, and is more vulnerable to this than most other children would be.

  8. Cluster December 11, 2019 / 10:22 am

    I am wondering if LarrySinclair99 is at all embarrassed by this form of human debris who is a prominent figure in his preferred political party:

    ‘So the market has decided that women and people who give birth deserve less time with their children than a dog,’ Ocasio-Cortez concluded. ‘I think that that, at its core, has shown that the market has failed to treat people with dignity and basic respect.

    ‘So when that happens, I think it’s our job as the public to redefine the rules of society and to treat people who give birth with the dignity they deserve.’

    I like the phrase “women and people who give birth” ….. who else besides a woman gives birth??? This is who Democrats have become … so bereft of any real education or intelligence that any random delusional thought just oozes out of them and stains our society. Like rabid dogs, they need to be put down.

    • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 10:43 am

      Cluster, the impotent little troll has chosen as his screen name the male prostitute known for providing oral sex to Barack Obama in the back seat of a limo. Even without any of his troll droppings deposited on the blog it is easy to tell what kind of creature he is based on who he identifies with. There’s a certain wishful thinking associated with his choice, doncha think? A wistful ” oh, if only it could have been ME” quality to that choice of screen identity.

      • Cluster December 11, 2019 / 11:33 am

        A wistful ” oh, if only it could have been ME” quality to that choice of screen identity.

        Hahahahahaha that’s right. I thought I recognized that name ……

      • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 12:21 pm

        On the bright side, now that the real Larry Sinclair died in a rather Arkancide kind of way, this incarnation can still use his kneepads to service the Left in general, scattering troll droppings every now and then in an effort to stink up the place.

  9. Retired Spook December 11, 2019 / 12:24 pm

    I said a while back that the main reason there are still so many Obama holdovers in critical Executive Branch positions is that Democrats have blocked an historically large number of Trump’s nominees as part of an overall strategy to cripple and undermine the Administration. I decided to see if that was still the case, but can’t find an article mentioning it that is more recent than this one. I’m betting it’s still going on, but the complicit, agenda media decided it wasn’t something that their readers/listeners/viewers should be informed about.

    • M. Noonan December 11, 2019 / 8:41 pm

      And the permanent bureaucracy is largely hostile – much harder to get rid of them. I really don’t want to do it, but I can’t think of any other way to fix it: we have to bring back the spoils system. Every Executive Branch staffer has to be made to serve at the pleasure of the President. This does mean there will be wholesale firings at Administration change, but while that is bad, it isn’t as bad as a permanent bureaucracy thinking they run things.

      • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 8:54 pm

        …a permanent bureaucracy thinking they run things…. is the Unintended Consequence of bureaucratic meddling, trying to “fix” things by slapping poorly thought-out laws on what are really not very consequential problems.

        We might be able to split the difference—people don’t automatically leave when a new party is elected, but they do have to meet standards of accomplishment, efficiency, etc. And they cannot act against the government while working for the government.

  10. Amazona December 11, 2019 / 1:15 pm

    Remember when I said, a couple of days ago, that part of Trump’s efforts to weed out career activists and embedded Leftists in federal agencies included moving at least one out of DC, and the Left was freaking out?

    The Government Accountability Office (GAO), will probe the Trump administration’s decision to relocate Bureau of Land Management (BLM) staff from Washington D.C. to Colorado, House Natural Resources Committee Chair Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) announced Wednesday.

    My question is, does it matter what the GAO thinks about this? Whose decision is it? The hyperbole about moving the administration of federal land management closer to the geographical area where most of that federal land is actually located is telling. (emphasis mine)

    During the press conference, which took place one day before employees must notify the bureau whether they will will move to Grand Junction, Colo., former BLM employees slammed the move as “disastrous” and “radical.

    “This reorganization, if implemented, will prove to be disastrous for the health of our nation’s public lands, for public land stakeholders in rural communities and for the bureau of land management,” said former BLM director Bob Abbey, who led the agency from 2009 to 2012.

    “The current plan by the department is radical, it’s unnecessary, it’s not well thought out,” said former BLM Deputy Director Henri Bisson. “It’s being dictated by political officials without regard for the long-term consequences and will harm public land management for many years.”

    Really. What could be more “disastrous” to an agency than having it actually relate to its purpose? What about being located in Washington, D.C. makes BLM administration more efficient? More effective? More reasonable?

    All staying in DC does is keep the BLM hierarchy right in the middle of the DC Establishment, while moving it makes it less appealing to entrenched DC elites who don’t want to leave the nest. You know who would LOVE to be based in Western Colorado, just a few miles from the Utah border? People who know and love the West, that’s who, the kinds of people who should be in charge of administering land use.

    1946 — BLM is established within the Department of the Interior through the consolidation of General Land Office and U.S. Grazing Service

    The department is administered by the United States secretary of the interior, who is a member of the Cabinet of the president.

    Therefore it seems clear that the President can instruct any member of his cabinet to enact any decision he has made about any department under the control of that cabinet position.

    Cost of living in Grand Junction is much much lower than in DC or its environs, and no doubt the costs of administering the agency will be far smaller as well. I’m sure office space in DC is significantly more expensive than in Grand Junction. All in all, this seems like a great decision on the part of the president.

    • M. Noonan December 11, 2019 / 8:39 pm

      The complaints are absurd and, you’re right: the bureaucrats just don’t want to leave the swank life of the Imperial City…for goodness sake, people in Utah might not even know what a canape’ is and there isn’t a single feeder school for the Ivy League out there! They might have to send their kid to Brigham Young University ((((shudder)))).

      • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 8:52 pm

        Love the ((((shivers)))).

        I just like thinking of how the nation might be different if the decision-makers lived in the real world, accessible to the public and experiencing the consequences of their actions.

      • Amazona December 11, 2019 / 9:01 pm

        Speaking of BYU, this is a delightfully un-PC sketch and to get my reference you have to watch till the very end.

      • jdge1 December 12, 2019 / 1:10 pm

        How funny.

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