Now that we’ve all had some time to digest the IG report as well as today’s Senate hearings on it…so, when to we start hanging people?
I know, I know; that is extreme. But, my goodness, it is so patently obvious that the senior reaches as FBI and Justice were out to get Trump that the continued denials by the Democrats are getting infuriating. Horowitz tried to thread the needle by essentially saying he couldn’t prove bias in the genesis of the effort…but the massive violations of law which were required to get it going can only be explained by political bias. By people who thought Hillary would win and so it would never come out. What happened after Trump’s victory all merely amounted to an attempt to find anything to hang on Trump or, failing that, cover up what they had done.
Meanwhile, Barr:
“From a civil liberties standpoint, the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state … both to spy on political opponents but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of an election,” Barr said. He added that this was the first time in history that “counterintelligence techniques” were used against a presidential campaign.
I hope he nails their a** to the wall.
Ted Cruz had his moment and once again made us all love him:
This exchange. Staggering.
Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?”
Horowitz: “That’s correct. That’s what occurred”
Ace links to Techno Frog’s rundown of all the Establishment hacks who swore by the FISA warrants and tried to sell the whole thing to the American people. The more you read, the more outraged you get. These are the supposedly smart and informed guys and they were absolutely assuring everyone that the dossier and FISA were on the level. They went out of their way to insult people who dared question the veracity of the FISA warrants. And outside of one or two, all of them are still keeping up the garbage now that its been exposed. Our Ruling Class just sucks.
What are they like, these Ruling Class morons? How are they in the day to day, really? Ace looks at their High School Mean Girls routine and silly flirt-arguments they have in between saying Orange Man Bad, and nails it:
If it’s important, you say something.
If it’s not important, you practice the most ancient of all manly arts, the Manly Art of Shutting the F*** Up Once in a While and Giving Your C***slappers a Rest.
I’m glad to know that there’s a cure for this affliction of normal masculine reserve, now, and that Jonah Goldberg is proof of that.
Apparently, being on Social Media all day long is a cure for normal, regular heterosexual masculinity. It’s a feminizing and juvenilizing force which turns toxic men into pliable weakling children and fat little girls trying to advance in the social hierarchy.
Very much to the point, but Ace, as usual, is too kind to these dimwits.
So far, Boris Johnson seems set for a pretty impressive victory tomorrow, but we’ll see. According to this, only 6% of Britain’s Jews are planning to vote Labour…in spite of their overwhelming approval of Remain in the EU. This is cognitive dissonance writ large: the Jews of Europe are under renewed threat because of the EU. It is the EU which is currying favor with people who hate Jews…getting out of the EU is the best things Jews can do for themselves. And yet most European Jews still want the EU…it is just weird.
Barack and Michelle Obama threaten promise to stay involved in politics forever. Come on, man: what have we ever done to you guys?
If Hillary runs she becomes the william jennings bryan of our time. He lost three times 1896, 1900, 1908.Hillary has it in her to lose a third time.The bitterness from other candidates would be intense-the Clinton-Epstein stories would be overwhelming. Hillary please make our day.
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I’m thinking of it as the “Dem Voices in Our Heads Impeachment Tour”, featuring their biggest hits: It WAS Russia!, It’s Still Russia!, Russia Russia Russia!, Maybe It Was Really Ukraine; The Quid Pro Quo Slo Mo Shuffle; Hunter Who?, B R ibery, B R ibery, B R ibery, and Bribery Was Its Name-O: We Know What He Really Meant; and What The Hell Whatever Sticks To The Wall.
Yes, it’s obvious that bias was and is the motivating factor behind every last shred of evidence. Every last Democrat has “biased” stamped on their forehead.
FBI director Comey, and Brennan meant great harm to the President and his family.
It’s politically motivated criminality, and with any luck, we will see some hangings.
Well, I’m not in favor of expanding the definition of “capital crimes” to include political chicanery, lying, perjury or abuse of power. “Politically motivated criminality” is hardly a hanging offense, even if we still used hanging as a means of capital punishment. Wild-eyed demands for the death penalty do nothing to advance the conservative cause and wanting to see people hanging by their necks in the public square has a certain “lunatic fringe” quality to it.
Cool your jets, take a breath, and if you fantasize about killing people for their political misdeeds perhaps there is another forum where this attitude is more welcome.
My jets are cool as a cucumber, Amazona. You have just pointed out that your version of what justice means differs from mine. what is the appropriate form of punishment for politically motivated crimes. Your version is less harsh, mine is very harsh. That’s all there is to it.
Now, if my viewpoint isn’t welcome here, I am more than happy to join another forum with more likeminded folks.
No big deal.
Farewell, B4V. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a very Happy and healthy New Year!
You might consider lobbying for changes in the law before you start advocating for hanging people for politically motivated crimes. I will point out that when crimes are treated differently based on how someone else defines their motivation, that is pretty darned close to the Thought Police/Thought Crimes attitude of the tyrannical Left.
I am not saying who can or can’t post here, just providing an opinion on what I think is radical. Who knew you are so sensitive?
Im seeing Maxwell,Smart: “Would you believe …”
So it was revealed yesterday that the Steel Dossier was “central and essential” to obtaining the FISA warrant on Carter Page. In fact without the Dossier, the application for the warrant was denied. In early in 2017 the FBI met with the Steele’s sub source who denied the veracity of the information contained in the Steele Dossier …. in other words, the info in the Dossier was made up but even with that knowledge, the FBI continued to use the Dossier to obtain 3 warrants. Additionally in 2017, when the conspirators in the FBI needed more traction to the case, Clinesmith altered an email to the CIA denying that Carter Page was a legitimate source which sparked even more unwarranted suspicion of Page’s connection with Russia. These two illegal actions unnecessarily drug this country through hell over the next 3 years and there needs to be accountability. In a fair and unbiased investigation, this would have all ended in 2017.
Their actions were blatantly biased and illegal and even with that knowledge this morning, the media is still covering for them. The current members of the complicity media are part of this massive subversion of our government and they too need to be held accountable. They are not just “irresponsible” as Barr eluded to, in my opinion they were “central and essential” to this effort.
The fact that the IG found NO political bias leaves only three conclusions: either he didn’t read ANY of Peter Strzok’s and Lisa Page’s emails, upper echelons of the FBI and DOJ are/were hopelessly corrupt and/or hopelessly incompetent.
What I think the IG report does do is provide a road map for Durham’s investigation. Unlike Horowitz, Durham has the power to engage in electronic surveillance, impanel grand juries, subpoena witnesses and issue indictments. My guess is he WILL find ample evidence of political bias on the part of a number of individuals.
No question about that. The next question is to the media – what did you know? And when did you know it?
I doubt that anyone in the media can be held legally accountable for being complicit in what’s gone on for the last 3 years, but their credibility — what there is left of it — can certainly be destroyed with tremendous loss of revenue. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.
Surprise, surprise! I doubt any regular on this blog thought for a second that the Bill Clinton — Loretta Lynch meeting on the tarmac in Phoenix was a coincidence.
I remember commenting at the time that NO ONE comes to Phoenix in June to golf and if you remember that was Bill Clinton’s excuse for being in Phoenix. It didn’t even pass the smell test, nor do most of the Democrat positions.
Depends on how you define golf, based on Clinton speak.
LOL
I’m betting this is not the only Democrat who got raked over the coals by her constituents.
For your consideration in response to the Democrats charge of obstruction of Congress:
Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton failed to provide any new documents to the congressional panel investigating the Benghazi terrorist attacks, instead notifying the committee that she has “wipe[d] her server clean,” the lead investigator announced.
“After seeking and receiving a two week extension from the Committee, Secretary Clinton failed to provide a single new document to the subpoena issued by the Committee and refused to provide her private server to the Inspector General for the State Department or any other independent arbiter for analysis,” Representative Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.), the chairman of the select committee investigating the attacks, announced Friday evening.
Oddly enough there was not one objection from a member of the Democrat party.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/hillary-clinton-defies-subpoena-wiped-her-server-clean-joel-gehrke/
I have a question for Democrats – why do they think it’s ok for Americans to interfere in foreign elections? President Obama not only sent financial assistance to Netanyahu’s opponent, he also sent a few of his campaign leaders to help out. Well now AOC feels compelled to have an impact on a foreign election.
New York Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez urged United Kingdom citizens on Twitter to vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party in Thursday’s general election.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-uk-election/
Meanwhile, in the grown up world:
US and Chinese negotiators have agreed in principle to the “phase one” trade deal, according to a person familiar with the talks.
President Donald Trump’s trade team was due to brief the President on the agreement during a mid-afternoon meeting at the White House. He will need to sign off on the plan before it’s final.
Trump had already announced the broad contours of the “phase one” deal in October, and the two sides have been haggling over specifics since then. The “phase one” deal does not address the major structural changes to China’s economy that Trump has sought.
Any deal would likely avert a new round of US tariffs hitting about $160 billion in Chinese-made consumer electronics and toys that are due to take effect December 15.
The USMCA has passed and now this !! The economy in 2020 is going to be off the charts good. The Democrats now stand even less of a chance of winning in 2020 hence their all out efforts to impeach.
It is NOT a good day on MSNBC. The Dems are losing votes for impeachment, their losing poll numbers, Boris wins big in the UK, phase 1 with China is nearly done, the economy is booming, and the IG report just exposed their lack of professionalism, so what are they covering this morning? Yea you probably guessed it …. RUSSIA. That’s right. They are still trying to convince Americans that Trump is an agent of Russia.
Hey when things fall apart, go back to fundamentals.
Cluster, are they addressing the old assertion (no longer published) that a “source” for part of the dossier was a Russian, in the Russian government? The old story was that Christopher Steele had gotten information from an old source, someone in the Russian government, about alleged antics of Trump while in Russia.
So Russia was working against its own agent? Trying to smear him while trying to get him elected? By doing….what?
And Trump is still working “FOR” Putin while arming Ukraine with missiles to kill Russians, and imposing economic sanctions on Russia, while working against Russian ally Iran?
I know the Dem Dictionary has some goofy definitions, but it looks like their definition of “agent” needs some work.
Among the 14 foundational principles of the Heritage Foundation, as well as the foundational principles of our nation.
The federal government’s powers are limited to those named in the Constitution and should be exercised solely to protect the rights of its citizens. As Thomas Jefferson said, “The government closest to the people serves the people best.” Powers not delegated to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution, are reserved to the states or to the people.
https://www.heritage.org/truenorth
Yesterday Rush had a caller who said that in his opinion even if some Dems do not vote for impeachment they are finished, anyway, because they have been part of this impeachment charade right up to the vote. Rush said he thought the only way they could have a hope of staying in office would be to support Trump.
I do not agree. I think coming out in support of Trump at this late date would just seal their fate with their own Dem voters while failing to win over any Republicans. It’s as if Republicans would immediately believe that yes, this Dem has suddenly seen the error of his/her ways and is truly, honestly, now a Trump supporter so all prior sins are forgiven and here’s my vote.
That would be such a transparent and dishonest effort to pander to the Right, I can’t imagine it making any difference. I also don’t think that voting against impeachment, much less just pulling a Barry and voting “present” would make a difference, either. I think they have written the campaign theme for their opponents—-“So-And-So is either profoundly stupid, and truly got sucked into the lies and insanity of the impeachment hearings, or is so blindly partisan that participating in it was morally and intellectually acceptable and justified. Either one of these alternatives disqualifies him/her from the responsibility of being part of our legislative body.”
I think the replace-this-Congressperson theme would be even more powerful when applied to Schiff, Pelosi and Nadler. Even if they have their districts sewed up, a strong and focused challenger would make them sweat.
As someone who has voted Democrat in the past I can’t imagine voting for any Democrat now regardless of how “moderate” they appear. The entire party leadership is bat sh*t insane and far far left and they demand allegiance so any Democrat that goes to DC will be compelled to fall in line or they will be out soon. There is no room for independent thought in the Democrat Party.
Boris Johnsons’s Conservative Party is projected to win a huge majority, while the opposing Labour Party is on track to record it’s (sic) worst result in decades.
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UK voters crossed party lines to vote conservative just like American voters crossed party lines to vote Republican in 2016. UK voters are exhausted with the constant drama of Brexit, just as American voters are exhausted with the constant din of impeachment. Could this be at least a weak signal as to what will happen with the American voters come 2020?
https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2019/12/12/boris-johnsons-conservative-party-scores-yuge-win-uk-general-election
As usual, great comments at the bottom
American Leftists Believed Corbyn’s Inevitable Victory Would Be Their Model
https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/12/american-leftists-believed-corbyns-inevitable-victory-model
They are delusional to the core. The Left lives in echo chambers or more appropriately Twitter chambers and they think that is reflective of the larger population.
Not sure if everyone is aware that the complicit media did not show much of the IG hearing .. no surprise. I noticed it on MSNBC but I just saw a report on CNN showing how they skipped over Lindsey Graham’s opening statement of the hearing. I don’t think they quite yet grasp the reckoning that is about to come down on them.
I completely get the argument against having a Senate trial. I understand the argument that it would legitimize the process, etc. But I am not talking about trying the President. I am talking about using this opportunity to try the House.
I would start with maybe two witnesses, each one answering two or three questions.
Did you hear the president say he wanted something in exchange for American aid? (No)
Do you know of anyone who heard this? (No)
Is there a legal definition of “abuse of power”? (No)
How are disputes between the legislative branch and the executive branch decided? (In the courts)
Why wasn’t the dispute about executive privilege handled this way instead of filing a charge of obstruction of Congress?
OK, that’s it for the president.
Now—how did this impeachment process begin? Start at the beginning—Ask Vindman who he told about the phone call, why he thought it was OK to do this, if he heard the president say he wanted to leverage American aid in exchange for “digging up dirt” on anyone, why he would convey this impression if it was not what the president said, why go to a CIA employee not in that loop? Ask Ciaramella what he did when Vindman told him this. Who did he tell? Did he go to his “bro” who went to work for Schiff the day after the phone call? At this point, who was in on the discussion of the call and how many had appropriate clearances? Go to his friend—-why did he go to work for Schiff, was the timing significant, did he tell Schiff what he had been told, who wrote the complaint and what was the discussion about how to handle it? Atkinson—when did he change the rules, did he have the authority to unilaterally rewrite the rules, why did he change the rule, why did he volunteer that he found the complaint “credible” when that was not one of the criteria for forwarding it to Congress, did he know it had already gone through Schiff’s office, why did he forward it when it failed to meet the other criteria?
Two days, maybe three. Ignore the Bidens, ignore the charges, focus on the process and how it was distorted, manipulated, violated and in general abused to make it possible to hurl these accusations against Trump. This has to be done, and if not now, when? At what other time could the Senate call these witnesses?
You never turn your back on the villain, or the monster—we’ve all seen the movies, we all know this. You make sure he is dead and can’t get back up. A simple acquittal of the president will be knocking the monster down and then celebrating the win while he is pulling himself together and coming back at you. We don’t need to put a stake in the heart of the impeachment claims—they are DOA. But we do need to make sure, in sworn testimony, in the context of this whole mess, that there is a proven time line with names named and dots connected, to show the public just how slimy, sleazy, conniving and to-the-core dishonest the Dem party is. Five witnesses—-Vindman, Ciaramella, Ciaramella’s friend, Schiff and Atkinson. Turn that spotlight away from the president and shine it where it has to shine—-on the shenanigans of the Left. And call it the Left. Talk about Thought Crimes, talk about punishing people for what they think or believe, talk about the dangers of this Leftist strategy rearing its ugly head in the Congress of the United States.
Four types of attack lead to freedom’s decline. It starts with social ostracization, then economic discrimination, then legal punishment (including criminal penalties), and often ends in violence, either by the state or the mob.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/12/12/whats-really-at-stake-in-the-chick-fil-a-controversy
Come on froggies—-that water isn’t getting warmer because the Left wants you to be all cozy this winter.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
The sad thing is is that the Mueller/Russia investigation should have ended in 2017 after Steele’s source said the info in the Dossier was not verifiable, and when Clinesmith altered the email and claimed Page was not a CIA source. But it didn’t end there and the Deep State and the Media kept tearing this county apart for the next 2+ years, and in fact many on MSNBC are still implying that Trump is “doing the bidding for Putin”. This has been proven false by 5 investigations now and yet they continue to malign him. Where in the hell is the accountability?
More deep state cover up of Democrat malfeasance:
The Department of Justice is withholding documents about the Imran Awan cybersecurity scandal by saying there is an ongoing, secret case related to matter, according to court papers ….. Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit Nov. 7, 2018, for 7,000 pages of Capitol Police records related to the cybersecurity investigation, and Aug. 2, the DOJ agreed to begin producing records by Nov. 5.
And as I type, the panelists on SNBC are saying that Trump WILL commit more impeachable offenses so that’s where we are headed.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/13/doj-imran-awan-records/
If there IS “… an ongoing, secret case related to matter, according to court papers…” that is good news, at least for the Right. While it appears that a judge (Chutkan) might have been trying to help out Dem House members an ongoing case could offset that.
We know the Dems will be trying to put together an October Surprise for Trump and Republicans but if the current DOJ is actually doing its job, for a change, that might be offset by some DOJ surprises of its own, involving lots and lots of current Dem House members in a month after month cavalcade of revelations and indictments.
As I have said, the Left is essentially writing the campaign slogans for Republicans for next year.
As for ongoing impeachments, ditto. Just ask every single Dem House member if he or she did any independent research into the allegations made by Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff, or just took orders from them and went along with the impeachment proceedings. Point out the irresponsibility of tying up the entire House for months, wasting untold amounts of taxpayer money, creating internal conflict and divisiveness and contributing to the effort to inhibit the ability of the president to do his job and his or her dependence on, take your pick, either abject and profound stupidity or spineless submission to political masters—and demand a commitment to refuse to participate in any such thing again. “Why should we believe you would be any smarter, or more ethical, the next time you try to overturn an election and unseat a president?”
And every House member had the duty to be vigilant regarding the security of House data, so anyone who just let the party elites pick, hire and pay people like the Awans is complicit in criminal negligence. A carefully constructed, organized, coherent national approach to going after the irresponsible, reckless and sometimes criminal House members, in which every challenger in every district in the country has access to the information, the outline of offenses and the messaging, could or at least should remove a vast number of Dem Representatives.
The position of each and every congressperson is up for grabs every 2 years. With that level of uncertainty in job stability, the majority of them, especially 1st and 2nd term members, do whatever they can to ensure reelection. That rarely comes without significant influence from numerous sources including their party’s national committee and entities beholden to them. So, if you want the backing of the committee and the positive influence they can provide, all while avoiding the negative aspect of confronting your party, you’d better toe the party line. This is particularly crucial on big issues where the party is putting major chips in the pot for its very survival.
The thing about holding a hand for the devil is he eventually comes to collect. Those who do his bidding are totally expendable, regardless of whatever
dealslies they were offered. When they are no longer useful, they are flushed down the toilet. Those deep in the game are starting to realize the drain is about to be opened. Few people know who will get flushed and who will survive. Those in positions of power are scrambling to prevent decades of building up their stronghold from being destroyed. When that fails, it will be everyone for themselves.The Lord has blessed this nation. There are things happening in the undertow that I had great doubts even a few years ago would ever surface in my lifetime. None can escape when called upon to make payment for their actions or lack of. Those who strive for good are rewarded. Those who carry out evil do so at the cost of their souls.
Great article about impeachment by Rob Natelson.
Nicely stated. I doubts the Dems have any real interest in fairness or proper procedure.
Dems: We have no plans to take your guns. Ya, right.
Poor Dems. Sanctuary cities refusing to enforce federal immigration laws are fine, but counties refusing to enforce unconstitutional gun restrictions are not. It never seems to occur to them that what they try can be turned around and used against them—-like using impeachment to harass a president and maybe overturn an election.
They remind me of the Jeff Goldblum line from Jurassic Park: “Yeah, ooh aaaah… that’s how it always starts. But then later there’s running and screaming…” The Left ooohs and ahhhhs over the “courage” to defy a law they don’t like but pretty soon they’re running for the National Guard and screaming their heads off when someone defies a law they love.