Open Thread

Jared Kushner’s peace plan was released – looks like it would be excellent for the Palestinians if they would accept the deal (and the money) and settle down to build themselves a national life…but we can rely on it the Palestinian leadership will reject it out of hand and work up some paid mobs to pretend to be the Palestinian people expressing their righteous anger. Two things will decide the fate of this plan:

1. Trump getting re-elected: if he is, then US policy on this won’t change any time soon.

2. Most of the Muslim world telling the Palestinians to accept the deal or get bent.

We’ll see how it comes out. Elder of Ziyon has a brief rundown.

The impeachment thing still goes on – now with Bolton being the White Knight who will save the day for the left. What really irks me is now many times we on our side went to bat for Bolton and this is how he pays us back. They really are garbage, these old-line GOPe types, aren’t they? You wonder if they ever really believed anything they ever said when they were supposedly on our side. Thanks to RINO’s like Mitt and Collins, there’s still some back and forth about whether witnesses will be called. Ultimately, the witnesses, themselves, don’t matter: there’s nothing for them to tell. But it is amazingly irritating that the RINO’s keep doing this stuff – they’ve got to realize by now that we really can’t stand them doing this. In the end, though, its all a big nothing: Trump won’t be removed – it is only a 1% chance that any GOPer actually votes to convict (10% chance that Manchin votes to acquit).

The Supreme Court ruled that Trump, indeed, has the power to enforce American law which bars welfare bums from immigrating.

Latest on the Coronovirus: 100,000 may already be infected. I’m still pretty “meh” about it.

Some of our Liberal and Never Trump Elite Expert Super Smarty-Pants guys yucked it up about how we Trump supporters are all morons. They have been massively dragged on social media for it, and deservedly so. But it got me thinking: these guys really aren’t too bright and really don’t know much. They are always insulting us as having not gone to college and that we don’t read books. But I’d stack my list of read books against any of these dimwits…and I’ll bet mine is a lot larger and covers more variety.

29 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster January 28, 2020 / 6:13 pm

    Speaking of establishment GOPers, has anyone noticed how many McCain staffers now work for CNN or MSNBC? None of them believed in what they were preaching and we were being taken for a ride … hence our STRONG support of Trump. He is the first GOP President since Reagan to actually believe in what he campaigns on.

    • M. Noonan January 29, 2020 / 12:34 am

      It was a charade – with the only thing really mattering to them is that corporate taxes be kept low; corporations were allowed to move our jobs overseas so they could get an extra 1% in their portfolios, and that the foreign aid/military-industrial grift be kept going. They are all morons, in my view, now: people too stupid to realize that they were killing the goose which laid the golden eggs for them.

      • Amazona January 29, 2020 / 11:36 am

        Re: your comment on keeping corporate taxes low and “allowing” corporations to decided where to put their operations:

        “corporate taxes” are usually just consumer taxes, as the cost of taxation is built into the pricing of the goods or services. We end up paying that difference. And creating a good business environment where corporations can make the same profits here as elsewhere means more jobs for Americans.

        When we have to compete with low labor costs to keep companies in the United States—which is just another way of saying “jobs in the United States”—-we have to offer other reasons to stay. We need to focus more on the benefits of those companies staying here and less on how we feel about their bottom line. In a free society we can’t force companies to stay here, or dictate how they are run. All we can do is have a business climate that encourages domestic expansion and domestic job creation.

  2. Cluster January 29, 2020 / 9:36 am

    While they are in all probability the most annoying and insufferable people on the planet, we all owe a huge debt of gratitude to Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, and Chuck Schumer:

    Nearly 22 percent of identified supporters at President Trump’s rally in Toledo, Ohio, were Democrats, and another 21 percent were independents. An astounding 15 percent of identified voters who saw the president speak in Battle Creek, Michigan, has not voted in any of the last four elections. In Hershey, Pennsylvania, just over 20 percent of identified voters at the rally were Democrats, and 18 percent were non-white.

    Also, last night in NJ, over 100,000 people requested to be at the rally that only held 10,000. Now consider the fact that regardless of who the Democrat nominee is, that party will most likely split in two and we may be witnessing the lead up to the largest electoral landslide victory ever. While Trump signs two landmark trade deals and brokers peace in the middle east, the Democrats are worried about transgendered athletes. 2020 is going to be a very good year.

  3. Retired Spook January 29, 2020 / 9:51 am

    Is anyone here really surprised by this?

    • Cluster January 29, 2020 / 11:09 am

      Um ….. no

    • Amazona January 29, 2020 / 11:43 am

      No. And I love it. I hope Sanders does get the nomination—it will do more to promote a massive Republican landslide than any other single event could. It would split the Democrat Party, it would drive Democrats to vote Republican, and in a list where it’s hard to figure out which is number one it would give us a chance to show, clearly and in their own words the agendas and philosophies of the Left.

      If we are smart enough to connect those dots and get that message out to the people, that is. For that, I remain skeptical. Though I have to admit, Conservative messaging HAS gotten better, as the impeachment has not only forced some Republicans to find backbones and voices it has showed us that this is a winning strategy.

      • Retired Spook January 29, 2020 / 9:30 pm

        Sanders has said one of the first things he would do as President is undo the new USMCA trade deal. That’ll get him a lot of blue collar and union votes/NOT!

      • Amazona January 30, 2020 / 10:46 am

        Would he do that before or after he rounds up all the Trump voters and sends them to “reeducation” camps to become slave labor?

  4. Cluster January 29, 2020 / 5:07 pm

    Just heard a report that Bolton’s manuscript contains classified information, some of which is top secret so the NSC is demanding it be deleted or rewritten. Good job John, you opportunistic POS

    • Amazona January 30, 2020 / 12:52 am

      He also didn’t mention any concerns about the infamous telephone call in a taped interview about three weeks after the call. I hear the Dems, after seeing the video of that interview, are rethinking their Bolton witness efforts. That, and the threat of the Republicans calling Schiff, and/or Ciaramella. Personally, I would trade a Bolton testimony for a Schiff grilling, as I would love to get his lies told under penalty of perjury for a change—just think of him squirming when asked about the lies he has already told, but under oath this time. Well worth anything Bolton could possibly say.

      Cory Gardner is now saying he doesn’t need to hear any more witnesses. I understand Utah is fed up with Mittens. I wrote to the state GOPs in both Colorado and Utah saying if those senators screw this up those organizations can count on me for support and donations if they primary the incumbent with solid Republican candidates. I think that is the only way to get messages through to them.

      • Cluster January 30, 2020 / 8:56 am

        Mittens – too funny

        I caught Sekulow and the other lawyer (name starts with H) deliver blistering responses yesterday to questions. Lawyer H detailed Hunter Biden’s years of corruption in Ukraine including his partnership with Devin Archer and then proceeded to demand House Managers present the investigation that debunked this story. They can not because there has NEVER been an investigation – it was impactful.

        Sekulow followed shortly afterward and proceeded to challenge the House’s request for witnesses to which he emphatically said “so you want witnesses? Well so do I”. And as he looked directly at Schumer, he said “I want Adam Schiff, I want the whistle blower, I want Hunter Biden, I want Joe Biden”. “If you want to go there, that’s where we’re going”

        Two responses that hit the Democrats between the eyes. There will be no witnesses and this case ends Friday.

        I heard one pundit say, “the longer House managers talk, the weaker their case gets” LOL

  5. Cluster January 29, 2020 / 9:32 pm

    Imagine this. The Senate acquits Trump on Friday then he marches into Nancy’s House on Tuesday and delivers one of the strongest State of the Union speeches ever.

  6. Cluster January 30, 2020 / 10:53 am

    If you heard yesterdays proceedings, the House managers essentially argued that the House intelligence and judiciary committees have unchecked power when it comes to impeachment. They argued that they do not need the full house vote to issue subpoena’s, that they should be able to circumvent the courts, and that the WH should be compelled to present all incriminating evidence upon request. In other words, whatever the House committees request, should be presented without question and without delay which ultimately then places the House as the unquestioned final authority. This is not how the Constitution is written. No branch has unchecked power. Not one.

    Moreover, Schiff quashed the subpoena issued to Bolton’s assistant to prevent the court from ruling on Executive Power. A ruling of which would not benefit the Democrats.

  7. Amazona January 30, 2020 / 11:31 am

    (emphasis mine)

    Before he was detailed to the White House, Vindman served in the U.S. Army, where he once received a reprimand from a superior officer for badmouthing and ridiculing America in front of Russian soldiers his unit was training with during a joint 2012 exercise in Germany.

    His commanding officer, Army Lt. Col. Jim Hickman, complained that Vindman, then a major, “was apologetic of American culture, laughed about Americans not being educated or worldly and really talked up Obama and globalism to the point of [it being] uncomfortable.”

    “Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as 2012,” Hickman, now retired, asserted. “Do not let the uniform fool you. He is a political activist in uniform.”

    After the CIA analyst was coached on how to file a complaint under Intelligence Community whistleblower protections, he was steered to another Obama holdover — former Justice Department attorney-turned-inspector general Michael Atkinson, who facilitated the processing of his complaint, despite numerous red flags raised by career Justice Department lawyers who reviewed it.

    The department’s Office of Legal Counsel ruled that the complaint involved “foreign diplomacy,” not intelligence, contained “hearsay” evidence based on “secondhand” information, and did not meet the definition of an “urgent concern” that needed to be reported to Congress. Still, Atkinson worked closely with Schiff to pressure the White House to make the complaint public.

    Fleitz said cloaking the CIA analyst in the whistleblower statute provided him cover from public scrutiny. By making him anonymous, he was able to hide his background and motives. Filing the complaint with the IC inspector general, moreover, gave him added protections against reprisals, while letting him disclose classified information. If he had filed directly with Congress, it could not have made the complaint public due to concerns about disclosing classified information. But a complaint referred by the IG to Congress gave it more latitude over what it could make public.

    On Oct. 8, after more media reports revealed the whistleblower and Schiff’s staff had concealed their contacts with each other, the whistleblower called Atkinson’s office to try to explain why he made false statements in writing and verbally, transgressions that could be punishable with a fine of up to $10,000, imprisonment for up five years, or both, according to the federal form he signed under penalty of perjury.

    In his clarification to the inspector general, the whistleblower acknowledged for the first time reaching out to Schiff’s staff before filing the complaint, according to an investigative report filed later that month by Atkinson.

    “The whistleblower got caught,” Ratcliffe said. “The whistleblower made false statements. The whistleblower got caught with Chairman Schiff.”

    He says the truth about what happened is documented on pages 53-73 of the transcript of Atkinson’s eight-hour testimony. Except that Schiff refuses to release it.

    “Michael Atkinson is a key anti-Trump conspirator who played a central role in transforming the ‘whistleblower’ complaint into the current impeachment proceedings,” said Bill Marshall, a senior investigator for Judicial Watch, the conservative government watchdog group that is suing the Justice Department for Atkinson’s internal communications regarding impeachment.

    Finally, Atkinson’s role is being made public and discussed. I understand the Senate’s decision to not clutter up the impeachment sham with a lot of stuff not directly related to the alleged charges. But I do hope that the Senate will proceed with its own investigation into the facts stated here, or the DOJ, or some agency with authority, Ciaramella should be hit with that “up to $10,000, imprisonment for up five years, or both” penalty for perjury in the filing of his form. Atkinson should be held accountable, as much as the law allows, for his participation in what really IS a conspiracy. A real conspiracy, not a theory. And Vindman should be court-martialed, held to the highest standard of military justice. Ditto for his brother, if he is the source of the “leak” of the Bolton material, which BTW was not a quote but an attribution of its meaning, another editing of what someone really said to tell us “what he really meant”. This is the Vindman M.O. and it must be dealt with.

    • Retired Spook January 30, 2020 / 12:02 pm

      I would bet a month of my navy pension that at least half of the GOP senators are not aware of most of what you just posted. I have nearly zero confidence that the entire truth of the last 3 years will ever be made public. There is just too much incentive to preserve the status quo inside the beltway.

      • Amazona January 31, 2020 / 12:30 pm

        If they are not aware of it, they should be, which is why I have thought calling some witnesses would be important to not just kill this impeachment charade but put a stake through its heart by making it clear it was always a setup, put in place by political activists with histories of this kind of agenda.

  8. Cluster January 30, 2020 / 6:28 pm

    You think the rhetoric is bad now?

    Jason Johnson, a favorite pundit of the left-wing cable channel, went on a tirade and warned viewers that an acquittal of President Trump would embolden him to “shut down voting” in the entire state of California ahead of the 2020 election.

    Wait until Trump is acquitted? Progressive heads are going to explode.

    • Amazona January 31, 2020 / 12:28 pm

      “Imagine Donald Trump deciding sometime in June, ‘Well, I heard this conspiracy theory that a lot of illegal immigrants voted in California, so I’ve decided that during the presidential election California has to undergo extreme vetting because we can’t trust their votes. We’re going to shut down voting in a state.’ “

      (1) The new must-be-constantly-repeated theme of the howling Left is “conspiracy theory”. They seem to think it is such a powerful and evocative phrase it should be used as often as possible.

      (2) Johnson evidently either idolizes Adam Schiff and wants to use him as a role model, simply inventing statements by other people, or he thinks this has been a successful gambit and one to imitate.

      (3) Dems already know the next election will be marked by record-breaking voter fraud and are trying to get out ahead of it by sending out intellectual cannon fodder like Johnson to set up preemptive lines of defense.

      • Cluster February 1, 2020 / 4:22 pm

        The latest complicit media line now is …. monarchy. The President is now a Monarch and Republicans have abandoned our representative republic. Never underestimate the Left’s ability to go to extreme levels.

      • Retired Spook February 1, 2020 / 4:36 pm

        I guess we’ll find out in November, but my sense is that the more over the top the Dems go, the more votes of ordinary Americans they lose.

      • Amazona February 1, 2020 / 9:45 pm

        The shrill whining hysteria of the Left is so bizarre, I really don’t know what to think of it. If they truly believe the nonsense they are spouting then they are truly mentally unbalanced. Emotionally unbalanced, we already knew, but this would show a level of mental instability that is alarming. I think it more likely that they know it is bunkum (I’m trying to channel Joe Biden’s modern slang) but hope they can sway some of the more feeble minds out there.

        The thing is, this kind of insanity can only appeal to feeble minds, and I agree with you, Spook—-the crazier they sound the more people will decided this is not the party with which they want to be affiliated.

        Hopefully in a few weeks, or months, we will have a flood of ads quoting these loons, with that same message—-that the line has been drawn, with sanity on one side and the American Left on the other. They have given us so much ammunition I hope we can figure out how to use it. If we only look at their blatant and disproved lies we should be able to bury them.

        I think a Senate investigation of the process leading to the impeachment, accompanied by testimony and proof that the leaders of the movement know all along it was bogus, will seal the deal.

      • Retired Spook February 2, 2020 / 9:49 am

        the crazier they sound the more people will decided this is not the party with which they want to be affiliated.

        Well, not all of them. I know — I was shocked too.

      • Cluster February 2, 2020 / 11:03 am

        Kristol is such a loser and this is just a desperate plea of his to try and be liked again.

      • Amazona February 2, 2020 / 4:07 pm

        What Kristol openly admitted was that his purported conservatism was bogus, because it was based on his emotional reaction to other conservatives and not on the conservative principles of Constitutional governance.

        If you can flip to a party which represents the very opposite of conservative political principles just because you don’t like the person currently representing the party enacting those principles that just means those principles were never part of your alleged allegiance in the first place.

        That is how I felt about the Bushes supporting Hillary, as well. I expect the hyper-emotional sheeple of the mainstream Dem party to vote in complete ignorance of the actual POLITICAL structure represented by the party, but I expect political leaders and professional pundits to have at least a cursory grasp of the structure of their chosen political allegiance and of the opposition. People like Kristol and the Bushes and others who supported Hillary or talk about moving to the Dem party are basically just admitting that their supposed political beliefs were always shallow and rooted in emotion.

  9. Amazona February 1, 2020 / 1:13 pm

    If and hopefully when, the whistleblower is confirmed to be Eric Ciaramella, the Democrats’ own abuse of power and obstruction of justice will be revealed. Once President Trump is acquitted next week, the Senate committee chairs need to investigate the origin of this fraud. If they don’t, the Democrats will be emboldened and unless the Republicans can retake the House and keep the Senate, the President’s second term will be bogged down by a new series of investigations and/or impeachment inquiries.

    I have been hoping that the Senate made the decision not to just abandon any investigation into the origins of the impeachment hoax but deal with it separately from the impeachment trial itself. Perhaps some public encouragement to follow the trial with such an investigation will help nudge them in that direction, if they haven’t already decided to do so.

    • Cluster February 2, 2020 / 9:52 am

      unless the Republicans can retake the House and keep the Senate,

      That’s the key right there. If the GOP doesn’t take the House the next 4 years will be nothing but more impeachment nonsense with the volume turned way up. It will be unbearable. But I have to think that Nancy, Adam, and Jerry have done everything they can to assure their loss.

  10. Cluster February 2, 2020 / 10:12 am

    This is a good article on an issue we’re all too familiar:

    ‘Our society is falling apart,’ says Desaulniers.

    ‘If people do not play by some rules, society does not function. But it feels like there is no order, there is no shame.’

    ….. the tide of homeless, addicted and mentally ill people washing up here has become so severe that a global expert on slums claimed San Francisco may be more unsanitary than some of the poorest parts of Africa and Asia.

    And this is why this current Democrat party should NEVER wield government power again. They have destroyed the Cities they govern, they cheat in their own primaries, they are never honest to their constituents, they manufacture chaos and then exploit it, and they routinely engage in character assassination against their opponents.

    While Democrat POTUS candidates once again engage in deceiving their constituents on the “shared prosperity” of socialism and how much “they care” … all you have to do is look at the cities of San Fran, Portland, an Seattle to see how they plays out in real life.

  11. Cluster February 2, 2020 / 11:01 am

    Back in the ’70’s and ’80’s, my dad was an executive with the San Francisco Chronicle so I spent a lot of time exploring the City and going to Candlestick Park and watching Joe Montana dissect defenses and win championships. San Francisco was a very cool city back then, but that is no longer the case and it’s sad to see the mental disease of liberalism destroy that once great city however they can’t destroy the team …. I have been a faithful 49er fan for a long long time (even thru the Colin Kaepernick days) and I have not been more excited about a 49er team since the 1988 team of Montana, Rice, Taylor, Craig and Rathman. This team has all the right ingredients to be dominate once again so ….

    GO 49ERS !!!

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