Open Thread

Either the doomsayer models were wrong – or President Trump has had a great victory over the virus. The MSM will say that NY Governor Cuomo saved the day…as part of the DNC backup plan to dump Biden (which can only happen, I think, after Bernie quits…which is why he may not quit).

We’re all wondering how in heck an agent of the Chinese government – disguised as a reporter – gets admitted to the White House press briefing. Mostly because it is redundant given how slavishly the American MSM parrots Chinese propaganda. Make no mistake about it, with a wave of Xi’s hand a gigantic amount of American media company wealth could disappear. How loyal are the corporate bosses to America vs Their Money? I think you know the answer.

With Corbyn out, it is now thought that Labour will pull back from the evils Corbyn introduced – especially the ever more explicit anti-Semitism. Mark my words: they’ll try to downplay it and the British MSM will cover it up, but the anti-Semitism is a requirement to be a full-on Labourite these days. The calculation was made: there’s a huge future, electorally and financially (especially financially) in playing up to Islamists…and the price demanded is anti-Semitism. Anyone thinking that things will change with Labour – except for the worse – is whistling past the graveyard.

Don Surber points out the MSM’s kamikaze run against hydroxychloroquine. Never has TDS been more stark – simply because Trump suggested it, the MSM went all-in against it. It does look like it works – at least to some extent, and especially for people with severe cases. What I learned the last couple days if that you go on a ventilator, your outlook is pretty bleak…trust me on this, if I catch the bloody thing and I get bad and go on a ventilator, I want them to throw everything they’ve got at it. And I think that is how most people view the matter. I was pondering how Trump might have hit upon this drug – and then it hit me: we’ve got lots of people who study plagues as part of our national defense strategy. I suspect Trump just asked them, in effect, “what do we have on the shelf that might work on this?”. When they came back with the answer, “hydroxychloroquine”, he said “go for it”.

We were told our hospitals would be overwhelmed and we’d be stacking bodies like cordwood. Well, it hasn’t quite been like that – as is seen by the lack of video on the MSM showing overwhelmed hospitals and stacked up bodies. But, never one to despair, CBS looked around and found a video of a person who says she was a nurse who had to quit because there was no proper equipment at the hospital. The CBS tweet got 23 thousand retweets and 8 million views. You know how this ends, right? Of course you do: its all bullsh**. Turns out she barely works as a nurse and seems to spend a great deal of time doing some sort of modelling on Instagram. She was provided the proper equipment but, on her first day on the job, insisted she be allowed to break protocol…and when told she couldn’t, she walked out…right to her video camera to make something which was almost certain to go viral and provide massive fame to someone who clearly wants to be famous. CBS News did not check out the background of the lady…but did add dramatic music to her tearful video. Yes, the MSM is the Enemy of the People.

37 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook April 8, 2020 / 9:13 am

    Yesterday I misspoke when I said it looked like the U.S. death rate from COVID-19 was beginning to slow down. I had a senior moment and was off by one 3-day period. The end of the 14th 3-day period since the first nationwide death is April 10th (day after tomorrow), and the number, if it continues to double, should be 16,384. This morning the toll stands at 12,857.Yesterday morning (the end of the 13th 3-day period) it was around 9,200, which was actually around 1,000 ahead of the 3 day pace. It’s going to have to slow dramatically today and tomorrow not to double again.

    As Cluster has pointed out on several occasions, the deaths from COVID-19 pale in comparison to other causes of death, including the annual strain of flu. My feeling is still that this has been overblown beyond comprehension, but, to quote an old saying, we just don’t know what we don’t know, and that’s largely because the so-called experts can’t even come close to agreeing with each other, or even with themselves.

    • Cluster April 8, 2020 / 9:32 am

      I don’t want to completely dismiss this virus because it is obviously lethal to some and appears to be a severe flu strain that can be miserable and no one wants it. That being said, the hysteria surrounding this, the projections, the media coverage and the subsequent actions taken by the government are entirely unwarranted and I think should be looked into once this passes.

  2. Cluster April 8, 2020 / 9:26 am

    So the projections are off I think we can all agree on that. And not off by a little, by A LOT and almost curiously so. Why is Fauci urging an 18 month shut down? He is kind of WHO official so is he the right person to listen to? Also just to keep things once again in perspective, the following are 2019-2020 CDC numbers for the seasonal flu:

    The percent of deaths associated with pneumonia and influenza is above the epidemic threshold. The increase is due to an increase in pneumonia deaths rather than influenza deaths and may be associated with COVID-19.

    162 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.

    CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.

    And this is an average year … this happens every year and it’s never reported and no one even notices. According to the “experts” projections on Covid, weren’t we suppose to see over run hospitals across the country? What happened to the prediction of 80,000 dead by now? And if you say “well it’s better to over exaggerate than under estimate” I say bullshit. It is completely irresponsible of health officials to just make shit up based on a couple hours of “modeling”. What “expert” uses two days of data to predict the next 18 months?

    We are damaging our economy, adding massive debt and integrating the progressive agenda thru the stimulus all because of this hyped up bullshit virus that has a 98% survival rate.

    On May 1 we all need to ignore the central authority and the media and go back to work. The numbers don’t warrant the hysteria nor do they warrant keeping patriots sidelined. We are Americans, we are better than this, we are stronger than this, and we need to show it once again.

    • Retired Spook April 8, 2020 / 9:35 am

      On May 1 we all need to ignore the central authority and the media and go back to work.

      I’m starting to hear rumblings that that is exactly what a lot of people are going to do, particularly in areas where there has been minimal impact from COVID-19.

    • Amazona April 8, 2020 / 10:05 am

      I just have this very strong feeling that the administration knows something we don’t know about a potential serious biological attack, or at the very least knows we are vulnerable to one, and is taking advantage of this virus to engage in what is essentially a fire drill.

      If I, sitting out West on my mountain, can ponder the effects of a lethal biological attack and figure out how it could easily be mounted (infect a few martyrs placed in strategic cities around the US, or around the world if the goal is the return of the 12th Imam) and then have them expose themselves to their pathogen at the same time, and then expose as many people as possible—-probably through airports. Wander through O’Hare sneezing and coughing, wiping surfaces with contaminated hands, get on a loaded plane to Denver, etc.—-and a really serious and highly contagious pathogen like weaponized smallpox could spread to far more people than this virus in a much shorter amount of time. If I can figure that out, so can others.

      If I can consider how people would react, and how to best remain safe, then certainly others can.

      I have a scenario in my mind in which administration people started to consider the same things and realized they had no idea of (1) how prepared the national government is to deal with something like that: (2) how prepared states are; (3) how prepared the citizens are; and (4) how the public would react. But there was no way the administration could just pull the handle and call for a test, or a fire drill, to find out these crucial things. Then along came the Kung Flu, and an opportunity was born.

      So here is our test, and we are being evaluated on all of the metrics I mentioned. Sure, there is some exaggeration—how can you have a fire drill if people don’t think the fire will, or at least can, kill you?

      So I predict that when this is all over, the president will be talking to the public and telling us that we need to learn from this—we need to keep a little cash on hand, we need to have basic supplies on hand that might not be available, we need to be sure we can decontaminate ourselves and our surroundings, we need to have some basic protective equipment, we need to have a plan for dealing with an emergency like this.

      That might all be tinfoil-hat stuff on my part, but it makes sense to me, and it also makes it not only easier to deal with this but more interesting, as now when I see the 20% or so of people at the supermarket wearing masks and big housecleaning gloves and notice that they also seem nearly paralyzed with fear, huddled over and darting looks at everyone else, scurrying like beetles and just radiating paranoia I mentally slot them into the demographic that would totally panic in a real crisis. As many of us have discussed in ad hoc chat rooms in grocery store aisles (keeping approved distances apart, of course) as we observe the terrified, this is separating the sheep from the goats.

      And I love the typically American rising-to-the-occasion attitude, including the humor. (Which, by the way, infuriates the humor-deficient Left.)

      • Retired Spook April 8, 2020 / 10:16 am

        Speaking of humor, you mean like this?

        Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.

        I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on Wheel of Fortune. Now I turn it like I’m cracking a safe.

        I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator. ’Still haven’t decided where to go for Easter —– The Living Room or The Bedroom

        PSA: every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.

        Homeschooling is going well. 2 students suspended for fighting and 1 teacher fired for drinking on the job.

        I don’t think anyone expected that when we changed the clocks we’d go from Standard Time to the Twilight Zone

        This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into my house, told my dog….. we laughed a lot.

        So, after this quarantine…..will the producers of My 600 Pound Life just find me or do I find them?

        Quarantine Day 5: Went to this restaurant called THE KITCHEN. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place is still in business.

        My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

        Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat.

        I’m so excited — it’s time to take out the garbage. What should I wear?

        I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip to Puerto Backyarda. I’m getting tired of Los Livingroom.

        Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeks woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.

        Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said “I hope I don’t have the same teacher next year”…. I’m offended.

        Better 6 feet apart than 6 feet under.

      • Cluster April 8, 2020 / 2:15 pm

        Stemming off of Amazona’s post, I also hope we take a serious look at our supply chain particularly as it deals with making sure we have the capacity to rely on ourselves rather than being dependent on other foreign countries for our basic needs, ie: medication and antibiotics.

  3. Cluster April 8, 2020 / 9:51 am

    And this is why the media and the central planners want to keep this hysteria going:

    Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley said that she wants the next coronavirus stimulus package that Congress passes to provide funds for illegal aliens.

    This is what this is all about … injecting the country with the progressive agenda via a crisis. We need to stop this and now. And have you seen this b*tch lately? She shaved her head? When did this country start glorifying the losers?

  4. Cluster April 8, 2020 / 11:07 am

    The irony of all ironies. The media worried about spreading misinformation. Here’s MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough:

    “In fact, he’s spreading misinformation, he’s trying to cover up all the mistakes he’s made

    There was zero concern of spreading misinformation during the Russia collusion hoax. In fact back then, spreading misinformation was essential to keeping the story going on.

  5. Cluster April 8, 2020 / 11:30 am

    So Bernie Sanders drops out of the race. What revolutionists quit mid way??

    • Retired Spook April 8, 2020 / 11:56 am

      It’s a good sign, though, that even among Democrats Socialism doesn’t resonate with the majority.

  6. Retired Spook April 8, 2020 / 1:52 pm

    Just and FYI — I mentioned 3 days ago that the deaths in both the U.S. and the world was increasing faster than the number of new cases, in spite of increased testing and assurances from nearly all the experts that the opposite would be true. That trend is continuing to get worse. The death rate in the U.S. since Sunday has increased from 2.85% to 3.46%, and the global death rate has increased from 5.48% to 5.87%.

    • Cluster April 8, 2020 / 2:22 pm

      Well this is “peak death week” as celebrated by the media so yea we can expect more deaths this week but the total numbers are still in line with seasonal flu figures. And according to Rush, the total percentage of people who have died WITHOUT underlying conditions from this virus is less than 2%. So 98% of all deaths were people who had other serious ailments. Essentially this virus is wiping out those who have either neglected their health, or have had the unfortunate circumstance of conditions they have no control over.

      Keep in mind, the CDC estimates that over 24,000 people have died from the seasonal flu since the Fall of 2019.

  7. Amazona April 8, 2020 / 7:52 pm

    Even when urban elites try to live in “rural America”, they don’t seem very good at it.

    Hollywood producer Dana Brunetti has already made that change, leaving Los Angeles for a 40-acre spread in northern California,

    Brunetti bought a bulldozer, two skid steers, an excavator, a dump truck, an ATV, a farm truck, a crane and an amphibious vehicle

    All this on 40 acres! You would need 40 acres to park all those toys. 40 acres must seem vast to a Hollywood city slicker and a fiancee who grew up in Beverly Hills, but I am looking out my window at almost exactly 40 acres in one field and I can’t imagine how or why I would use a bulldozer, plus an excavator, plus a CRANE !! and an amphibious vehicle. Two skid steers is overkill—they are way too slow to race them, and I can’t imagine why such a small property would need two. Definite yes on the ATV—after all, it would take a good 15 minutes to walk across the place, and besides, they are fun—–and If you excavate, you need to move what you dig up = dump truck, I guess.

    Some good salesman saw this guy coming.

    • Cluster April 9, 2020 / 8:51 am

      Some good salesman saw this guy coming.

      LOL. I give him 5 stars for selling the crane. I am thinking there was a bonus on the crane.

      MSNBC is right now in the process of making the Covid-19 the greatest crisis that this country has ever faced and Tump is the cause of it. According to them “this is the greatest failure of any President ever …. lol. Of course they would say that about him if he screwed up dinner but this doesn’t stop them. They think they still have credibility and up next (no kidding) Lady Gaga because she has real insights into this or something. I have prepared for the segment by turning down the volume.

      Our government, and the worlds governments along with their minions in the media have weaponized a new flu/cold strain and used it to impose controls on their populations … and we all complied. Now we are all realizing that we have mostly been lied to and rather than tamp down the hysteria and walk some things back, the media is doubling down. The massive mental midget, Ezekial Emanual was on MSNBC the other night saying that this is our new way of life for the next 18 months and any deviance from it is tantamount to “state sanctioned” murder.

      I have also noticed the death count is no longer on the MSNBC chryon which has to upset them. Nothing they like to see more in the age of Trump than death and misery.

      • Retired Spook April 9, 2020 / 9:18 am

        The fact that only .51% (that’s one half of one percent) of the U.S. population watches MSNBC tells you all you need to know.

  8. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 9:06 am

    MSNBC is still reporting in front of EMPTY make shift hospitals. Isn’t this “peak weak”???

  9. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 9:22 am

    Headline this morning over at NBC News:

    The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in New York has reached 151,598, according to NBC News’ tracking, outpacing any country except the United States as a whole.

    Do you think the reporter knows that NY is part of the US?

    • Retired Spook April 9, 2020 / 9:37 am

      I’ll bet you’d be shocked (well, OK, maybe not) at the number of reporters who couldn’t find NYC on a map. Clearly innate intelligence is not a prerequisite for “journalism” school.

      I hope, when this is all over, there will be an honest assessment of just how intellectually dishonest members of the media as well as members of the medical community were during this whole mess.

      • Cluster April 9, 2020 / 9:45 am

        I hope, when this is all over, there will be an honest assessment of just how intellectually dishonest members of the media as well as members of the medical community were during this whole mess.

        Amen. That must happen.

  10. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 9:43 am

    Here’s a real crisis that our government and our media ignore completely. Numbers from the CDC:

    In 2018, 67,367 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. Opioids—mainly synthetic opioids (other than methadone)—are currently the main driver of drug overdose deaths. Opioids were involved in 46,802 overdose deaths in 2018 (69.5% of all drug overdose deaths)

    Why do they ignore this? Because they have a role in it. 98% of synthetic opioids come up thru our largely unprotected southern border (thru my state). Reporting on this crisis would naturally lead to them examining the cause, and that is an area they want to avoid because you know …. it’s racist.

  11. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 12:45 pm

    If you listen carefully to the media, they will always unintentionally tell you their ulterior motives:

    “I do want to get at the policy legacy here….the Bernie Sanders ideas, the Bernie Sanders proposals, may be meeting their moment at a time when there is an appetite for government to be more involved,” Todd proclaimed early in the 1:00 p.m. ET hour. He then turned to Capitol Hill correspondent Kasie Hunt and wondered: “Do you imagine his ideas become more talked about on Capitol Hill, at least and does he play that role? Or is it somebody else? Is it AOC or is it other people that carry the baton?”

  12. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 1:14 pm

    More than half of what you hear in the media is not true. Be skeptical and always question authority

    “The idea that people were burning bodies on the streets — those images were shared around the world, television stations re-posted them, even presidents of countries fell for them,” said Ecuador’s Communication Secretary Gabriel Arroba.

    And they weren’t true.

  13. Cluster April 9, 2020 / 1:26 pm

    Just a little more perspective on this PANDEMIC. Here is how the worldwide numbers are playing out.

    9 out 10 people who have contracted the virus have mild conditions, and there is just a 5.8% chance the 10th person will die.

    These are the numbers that have caused us to change our lives. Makes sense right?

  14. Cluster April 10, 2020 / 8:48 am

    I am really not use to this level of cowardice and fear so someone needs to tell me what the F**K we are doing to ourselves. Are we seriously going to destroy our way of life for fear of death??? Look at these headlines over at Drudge … nothing but fear peddling


  15. Cluster April 10, 2020 / 8:54 am

    This is what they want and we are handing it to them on a silver platter:

    Speaker Pelosi warns the economic ramifications of the coronavirus outbreak could lead the U.S. into a depression.

    The media is down right gleeful over this. They couldn’t win with Russia collusion of Ukraine but by sensationalizing a flu virus, they have exceeded their expectations.

    I am willing to risk my life to keep this economy and country working for our children and grandchildren. Anyone with me?

  16. Retired Spook April 10, 2020 / 12:36 pm

    Contrary to everything the experts told us, the death rate in the U.s. continues to climb, from 2.48% a few days ago to 3.75% this morning, while the rate in NYC has almost doubled from 2.85% a few days ago to 5.42% this morning. The global death rate has climbed to 6.1%. What the experts told us was “only” 10 times as lethal as most seasonal flu strains is turning out to be 40 – 60 times more lethal.

    The good news is that it looks like today may be the peak, at least nationally.

    • jdge1 April 10, 2020 / 7:12 pm

      I question anyone who states specific death rates to provide the data. The reality is, it is impossible to know the true death rate when we haven’t (and likely can’t) determined the part of the equation of how many people have the virus. Without knowing that, everything is projection and unfortunately we’ve seen far too many exaggerated projections. Even IF we could determine this virus is more contagious and deadlier than previous viruses, the way it’s being handled will likely not change the inevitable, only POTENTIALLY alter how quick it plays out. My somewhat worthless 2 cents.

      • Retired Spook April 10, 2020 / 10:17 pm

        You may well be right. I hope you’re right. I got the numbers from the same web site that cluster has referenced. I just divided the number of deaths by the number of confirmed infections. As of the time I’m writing this, that’s 102,734 deaths divided by 1,699,628 cases (global) = 6.04%. If those numbers are not accurate, then the result is not accurate, and that wouldn’t actually surprise me a bit.

  17. Cluster April 10, 2020 / 1:36 pm

    Seattle’s Army-built field hospital is coming down without treating a single patient

    • Retired Spook April 10, 2020 / 2:04 pm

      This is definitely not a one-size-fits-all virus. Some areas that have not shut down are doing better than some areas that have shut down. Both the infection rate and death rate vary dramatically from area to area. I still continue to believe that we have been lied to — REPEATEDLY, or else the people in positions to affect policy are incredibly incompetent, although the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

      • Cluster April 10, 2020 / 3:05 pm

        I agree with you. I don’t want to discount the virus because it’s pure hell for some people that get it but the numbers don’t justify the actions we’ve taken. I am VERY worried that this self induced economic plight will have far worse ramifications. We need to go back to work for our grandchildren’s future.

      • Retired Spook April 10, 2020 / 3:31 pm

        Be thankful you don’t live in Italy where the death rate is now approaching 13%.

      • jdge1 April 10, 2020 / 7:25 pm

        See previous response on death rate percentages. It’s a fictitious number, at least as a rate or percent of people who acquired the virus against those who’ve died. The best you could possibly do is give a rate of those KNOWN to have acquired the virus against those who died, and that number is likely miniscule in compared to all who have acquired it. Secondly, we’ve already discussed how the deaths are calculated regardless of other underlying complications. There’s a difference of people dying from the virus and those dying with the virus.

      • jdge1 April 10, 2020 / 7:33 pm

        This is far more telling than much of the rest of the news and an strong indication of the real story.

        “A phlebotomist working at a Chicago hospital said Thursday that 30 to 50 percent of those tested for coronavirus have antibodies, and 10 to 20 percent of those tested are actual carriers of the virus.

        Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician for Rosewood Community Hospital, has had extensive experience with coronavirus testing over the last few weeks, as she has been testing around 400 to 600 people per day in the hospital’s parking lot. Owaynat also stated that there is a far greater number of those that have come through her line and have already recovered from the virus compared to those who currently have the disease.

        “A lot of people have high antibodies, which means they had the coronavirus but they don’t have it anymore and their bodies built the antibodies,” Owaynat told Chicago City Wire.”

      • Amazona April 11, 2020 / 11:00 am

        Admittedly, this Shelter in Place order affects me less than it does most. I have a small farm in Colorado and in February sold part of it to a wonderful family, who live in a house on the property. So we have a little community which can visit, invite each other over for drinks or dinner, etc. The woman has two children from a prior marriage who were visiting their father when he was diagnosed as positive, so they have to remain with him for a couple of weeks. Though the boys are in a household with the virus, whoever makes these decisions refuses to test them, meaning that legally after their quarantine they can come back to their mother even though they might be shedding the virus. That is, to my mind, irresponsible and stupid. Their father was tested because he had been in contact with an employee who got sick, so what’s the difference? And the father said that for two, maybe three, days he had a low fever and body aches but the biggest symptom was severe fatigue. After that he felt fine.

        We’ve been talking and we think we all probably had it, last month. The three adults on the property (including me) all had a period of two or three days of listlessness, extreme fatigue, body aches and the adult male felt like he had a slight fever. I didn’t check for a fever till I was feeling better (try finding a thermometer in a health panic) but didn’t feel feverish. All of us woke up one day without body aches and with returned energy. I was the first one with symptoms, and the others felt that way a week or so later. Of course, I feel exactly the same way every spring as allergy season gets cranked up, though I don’t remember the body aches. It would be such a blessing to find out we have the antibodies in our systems.

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