Open Thread

Well, Trump is down 127 points in the polls and I’m bookmarking Expert Tweets so I can make fun of them on November 3rd.

Bit of a mixed bag on Trump tax returns – a bit of a win against Congress, a bit of a loss against New York prosecutors…which actually does make a little bit of sense: Congress isn’t allowed to merely fish in Executive affairs hoping to turn something up. But State prosecutors are, well, State prosecutors. The Court was probably not going to say they absolutely couldn’t look into a federal official’s personal business. But now that they’ve got their ruling that they can get the documents, Trump gets to start arguing about whether they should get them and under what circumstances. No decision will be reached by November 3rd.

Biden got the nomination, but Sanders got the party:

Bernie Sanders said a new policy platform unveiled by Joe Biden will make the presumptive Democratic nominee the ‘most progressive president’ since Franklin Roosevelt.

Sanders was referring to a series of platform recommendations for the Democratic Party that were put together by the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Forces – a series of groups formed after the primary process to bring together the moderate and progressive wings of the party.

If its a bit of Commie drivel, it is now in the Democrat platform. I don’t think they left anything out. Open borders, immediate citizenship, Green New Deal…if it was a Progressive dream at any point in the past decade, they’ve got it in the platform, now. The bottom line is that Biden doesn’t even matter: he’s a mere vehicle. A cardboard cut-out to place in the Oval Office while a horde of far left fanatics grind out anti-American policy. If you wonder why Biden and allies have been silent over the destruction of statues of Washington, here’s your answer: they are absolutely dependent upon the hardcore Left for any chance at victory in November. Place that next to your poll showing Biden up by 10 and what you get is proof the poll is wrong. If Biden were riding high to a landslide, he’d ditch the far left. Period.

Biden, still not officially excommunicated, would rescind the exemption for Little Sister of the Poor. Of course, it isn’t Biden…its whomever is calling the shots in Team Biden. Make no mistake about it: they really, really, hate Christianity. Remember: the Little Sister are precisely what the Left says we have to be if we really want to be Christian (when they decide to Christian-splain to us how to be Christian): poor and dedicated to helping the most poor. They want us banned.

Meanwhile, the guy who is almost always right about political predictions gives Trump a 91% chance of winning. Which is about how I rate it: there is a chance Biden can win, but it is small. He’d have to draw a Royal Flush, as it were. And the model here is using primaries as a key indicator, as do I: I don’t care how many polls they shove at me saying that Trump is doomed…people actually went to the polls in droves for Trump during the Primary…meanwhile, Biden was crushed early on and it took the entire Democrat establishment making crooked deals with Warren to carry Biden’s political corpse to victory.

Brooks Brothers files for bankruptcy. Doesn’t surprise me: my Dad was invariably a Brooks Brothers shopper…I don’t think the youngsters followed on.

Kanye’s run for President is both joke and serious: he’s too late to get on the ballot in some major States, anyway and it would take buckets of money just to get himself on the ballot in the States still open. But I think it might be a trial run for 2024, so look out. And Kanye is challenging…he has the money and he has the fame to make an impact.

66 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook July 9, 2020 / 1:43 pm

    But now that they’ve got their ruling that they can get the documents,

    I think the ruling was that they could continue to use the courts to “seek” the documents. That means Trump’s lawyers also have the ability to change their strategy from “absolute immunity,” which the court laughed at, to something else. As you say, not gonna happen before the election, after which it will become moot.

  2. Cluster July 9, 2020 / 5:56 pm

    There is one federal bureaucracy that has seen and scrutinized Trump’s tax returns already … the IRS and don’t think for a minute that the IRS under Obama didn’t scour those docs and if there was anything they could have pinned on Trump, they would have. This is all political theater and honestly after 4 years of endless investigations and whistle blowers, Trump has to be one of the cleanest American citizens there is. How many of us could survive 4 years of investigations into everything we’ve ever done?

    And if Democrats think they have won over voters in big Blue cities, I think they should rethink that. Anecdotally, I know two die hard Democrats that are not happy with the current party and will not be voting for Biden. They of course can’t bring themselves to vote for Trump so they just won’t vote, but I have 3 more months to work on them hahahahaha

  3. Amazona July 9, 2020 / 9:00 pm

    The phrase “Deep State” has only been known to us regular folks for a while now, and I wonder how many of us have wondered how far back it goes and how deeply entrenched it is and how much power it has

    I’m listening to an audio book called “JFK and the Unspeakable” and it is chilling. It is impeccably researched and the details of how much under attack the president was, day in and day out, from his own cabinet and advisors in many cases and from the FBI and most of all the CIA are overwhelming. I’m going to have to buy the book so I can go back and look up some of the things that kind of pass by when listening.

    As I listen I am constantly comparing the JFK experience to that of Trump. I think the difference in how the Deep State is trying to unseat Trump is due to a great extent on the changes in communication since the early 60s—most of the media are completely co-opted into being mere mouthpieces for the radical Left, and with the advent of the internet, social media and the proliferation of media sites that can be dedicated to nonstop attacks on Trump the strategy of the Deep State has changed a little.

    I didn’t decide to do another deep dive into the assassination, but a couple of books on it came up in the bargain bin on Audible, so a few weeks ago I spent some time listening to a savage deconstruction of the Warren Report , The Report was so defective on so many levels Congress even repudiated it a few years ago, but I had no idea how badly skewed it was. This first book was so densely packed with details it, also got a little overwhelming, but when I bailed out it turned out I had listened to nearly all of the books on my iPod so it was back to JFK. But the sequence, of this book leading up to the assassination and the other dealing with the elaborate conspiracy to hide the facts of what happened has been an accidental fitting together of puzzle pieces.

    Mark and I went around and around about this topic a few years ago, with him defending the Commission and the lone gunman theory. At that time he said that Oswald was known to be a skilled gunman—he may even have called him a “sharpshooter” ,which is the language the Commission used. Yet everyone in the Corps was assumed to be a Marksman, and to move up to Sharpshooter you had to score above 190. Oswald scored a 191. And a comment about the rifle ostensibly used to kill the president, a Mannlicher–Carcano, made me laugh. I learned that this particular rifle was from a batch of 100 involved in a lawsuit when the buyer sued saying the guns were all defective, which was interesting, but what tickled me was the comment that this particular weapon was called “the humane rifle” because it was so unlikely to hurt anyone.

    But I digress. My initial comment was about the fact that John F Kennedy had a lot in common with Donald J. Trump—both hated by the intelligence communities, both under vicious attack from the intelligence communities, both fighting for power with deeply embedded bureaucrats and military officers and both burdened with appointees who then undermined their authority and stabbed them in the back. The parallels are so strong I find myself feeling a strong sense of fear for President Trump.

  4. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 8:56 am

    Anyone who denies the existence of a deep seated, partisan federal bureaucracy at this point is either willfully ignorant, massively naive, or quietly complicit.

    So Joe Biden’s message now is “bringing back decency” to our country and when you all pick yourself back up off the floor, here’s a good read on just how that “decency” is unfolding …. can you feel the love??

    Streets once teeming with tourists are virtually empty. Shops and restaurants are boarded up to protect against looters. Hotels are closed. According to one resident: ‘New York has become a place where the soup kitchens are full and skyscrapers are empty.’

    The Broadway theatre district sits in darkness, unlikely to open before next year. The subway, which once carried 750,000 commuters a day, is mainly deserted. In Times Square, a handful of street vendors offer hand-sanitiser and face masks in place of knock-off designer sunglasses and bags.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490367/How-coronavirus-BLM-protests-liberal-mayor-doing-Bin-Laden-never-could.html

    • Amazona July 10, 2020 / 3:32 pm

      First of all “bringing back decency” is a rip-off of MAGA. Second, it is an admission that right now decency is in short supply, and the reason is not Trump but the radical Left and its enablers, supporters and cheerleadrs—including Biden.

      As far as I can tell the plan is to “bring back decency” by doubling down on what is destroying it. Great plan, Joe

  5. dbschmidt July 10, 2020 / 1:00 pm

    And now Mark is making me feel old (his father) as two of my suits are Brooks Brothers.

  6. bunkerboy15 July 10, 2020 / 3:11 pm

    Lou Dobbs yesterday: “The Deep State extends, obviously, to the Supreme Court.”

    Obviously. Okay, so let me see if I’ve got this straight. The “Deep State” includes the Supreme Court, the State of New York, grand juries, Congress, the media, Donald Trump’s niece, antifa (though no one knows what it is), Black Lives Matter… who am I leaving out?

    • Retired Spook July 10, 2020 / 3:29 pm

      You missed the largest and most important component of the Deep State: those permanent federal employees who believe it is their duty to further a particular political ideology even to the point of violating their own departmental regulations as well as breaking the law if necessary.

      • bunkerboy15 July 10, 2020 / 3:39 pm

        That goes without saying. I’m just trying to figure out how broadly the Deep State extends. It’s particularly impressive given how many of the federal employees are Republicans, but are also Deep Staters intent on taking down Republican administrations. Some clever stuff, there.

      • Amazona July 10, 2020 / 3:55 pm

        Well, if you are as deeply invested in Identity Politics as you appear to be, naturally you would not be able to separate acts from labels. Don’t worry, Beavis—no one expects your “analysis” of anything to be anything but vapid and superficial and wholly dependent on snark.

        But…just curious: You claim that a significant number of Deep Staters are Republicans “intent on taking down Republican administrations.”. You seem to assume that the Deep State just wants to take down Republican administrations, or any administrations at all for that matter. Odd, given your total inability to even define the Deep State or understand what it is or why it does what it does.

        You kinda sound like Joe Biden is writing your material.

      • Retired Spook July 10, 2020 / 3:58 pm

        It’s particularly impressive given how many of the federal employees are Republicans, but are also Deep Staters intent on taking down Republican administrations. Some clever stuff, there.

        I don’t know about clever; I think more a combination self-preservation and hate. For those of us who identify as Republicans it IS dismaying that members of our own party hate the President more than they love the country. And then, of course, you have those who are simply entrenched in a particular way of doing things and will fight anyone who decides they should try something different.

      • dbschmidt July 10, 2020 / 7:33 pm

        I am not sure there are that many “how many of the federal employees are Republicans” with results like this;

        Contributions by Party of Recipient
        imore info
        Cycle Total Democrats % to Dems Republicans % to Repubs
        2020 $1,117,200 $576,293 94.65% $32,600 5.35%
        2018 $3,690,058 $1,395,796 88.61% $179,330 11.39%

        from OpenSecrets.org

    • Amazona July 10, 2020 / 3:48 pm

      Trigger alert: words

      It’s not “who” you are leaving out, but what? And the answer is simple: The slightest hint of intelligence.

      But thanks for illustrating, once again, the scope and depth of your ignorance as well as your eagerness to flaunt it. I have figured out who you remind me of—-Beavis. Or the other guy, Whichever one titters inanely.

      The Supreme Court does not appear to be part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. The grand juries of the State of New York are obviously, even to someone like you, not part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. Some members of Congress do appear to be part or at least supportive of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. The media, while acting as advocates and not journalists, are still not part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. Donald Trump’s niece appears to be an emotionally disturbed and resentful person seeking attention and approval even from distasteful sources, and is clearly not part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. Antifa, quite clearly a radical Leftist organization able to fool only the most gullible or downright stupid by its game of being openly fascistic while claiming to be anti-fascist, is obviously not not part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power. Black Lives Matters, another movement dedicated to the violent overthrow of our government while dangling a pretense of more noble intent, is also obviously not part of a deeply entrenched bureaucratic level of behind-the scenes federal power.

      Aside from SCOTUS and about half of Congress, your list seems to be just a litany of Trump-hating jackals devoid of integrity or decency. But not part of the Deep State.

      Which even you know, while you heh-heh-heh your way through yet another inane post.

  7. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 4:50 pm

    Binkie has a binary brain …. in fact that’s his new name for me, binary brain. Like Amazona said he is so entrenched in identity politics and so wholly invested in the progressive narrative that he is simply incapable of thinking outside those constructs. The old paradigms of the American political parties has been blown up beyond recognition. The Republican party is the party of corporatists and multi nationalist profiteers, the Democrat party is simply full blown Marxist. The American people are caught in between and anyone who doesn’t see that by now simply has shit for brains.

    The American people will prevail either at the ballot box or on the battlefield. We are not going away. Both parties and their career lackey’s in the federal bureaucracies can all go F**K themselves. Soon we will clear house and reestablish the Constitutional freedoms and our loved Representative Republic.

    • Amazona July 11, 2020 / 2:23 pm

      The American people are caught in between… which is why I keep harping on the need to stop trying to appeal to people by party or identity and shift to the mechanics of governance. I think people are fed up with the bickering and attacking, and would welcome a calm and objective approach to political decisions based on the best blueprint for governing the nation

      A decision that has to be based on suddenly liking Trump is bound to fail, but that is the way we are approaching this election. I would much prefer an approach that, while a little damaging to his ego, would probably work better—that is, that this election is far too important to base decisions on who we LIKE, that emotion has to be removed from the equation and the decisions have to be based on what kind of country we want and who is most likely to make that happen. I’d be blunt: “Some of you might like Joe Biden more than you like Donald Trump, but that’s not the point—or shouldn’t be. What should be the point is which man is the better leader,and which is more likely to help this nation get back to its greatness. Which man do you want negotiating on behalf of this country. An election shouldn’t be about who you would rather invite to a birthday party—-it should be about the best manager and administrator and it should be about the vision that man has for how the nation should be governed. That is, according to the Constitution or by the rules of the radical Left.”

      Look at the feeble arguments from the Left—-they are about Trump’s “behavior”—whatever that means—- and about allegations of things far in his past, or new lies about him being a racist. But even people preoccupied with his hair, or Stormy Daniels, or his speech style, are still likely to say they not only don’t consider police to be our enemies they want a strong police force. They are likely to agree that few policies work best when decided on by people unfamiliar with the problems the policies are supposed to address and then administered thousands of miles away from those problems by bureaucrats who siphon off a huge amount of the allotted budget and then apply a One Size Fits All approach—not when asked to choose between that and local control not only of the policies but of the funding.

      As long as the GOP is using the same bickering tactics and attacks and snarls of the Left, those people will continue to be caught in between. But give them a party that doesn’t demand love for its leader or giving up cherished ISSUES and is just about the best way to resolve those issues and I think we will go back to being the Party of The Big Tent.

  8. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 5:45 pm

    The current progressive Marxist Democrats will be required to defend their ideology on the battlefield at some point. Yes that is exactly what I am saying, what many of us are saying and you had better understand it and be prepared. That day is coming and nothing is more democratic than fighting for freedom. Those who deem otherwise are marxist apparatchiks. I look forward to that day if it comes and I know many who do as well.

  9. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 6:34 pm

    Displaying yet again such contemptible ignorance. Yes asshole, if the Democrats impose Marxism you will be required to defend that on the battlefield. Did I make myself clear. Make no fucking mistake about that. You politicize and take away our sports, destroy our businesses and our cities, obliterate our borders, and call us racists and the only thing we have left to do is to clean our guns and come after you. And make no mistake about it, we will you fucking cowardly pajama boy moron.

  10. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 7:11 pm

    The most dangerous element to any society is the willful deceit of those who seek to impose their will on others. Marxists, communists, and tyrants throughout time have all masterfully employed the art of propaganda and willful deceit usually disguised as “for the better good” or in this instance framed as “equality for all” and “black lives matter”. Those who fall for this current Marxist movement are either uneducated and simply don’t comprehend the deceit, or they are willful participants but together they have destroyed America in just 6 months. They have ravaged many large American cities, they have already destroyed many small business families throughout the country, they have killed many innocent Americans, they have defaced monuments, they celebrate mental illness, they are racist to the core, they want to obliterate the electoral college which will destroy the Constitution, they seek to impose a green new deal which will destroy our current economy, they want to lower American standards to the lowest common denominator in the name of fairness, they harbor irrational fears of everything in life and these are just a few of the oh so many other distasteful character flaws. Then I have a puke little fuck asking me if I will defend my freedom from this dystopian tyranny?? Hell yes I will. The question is why aren’t you prepared to defend your fascism?

  11. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 7:21 pm

    I have to admit it is a little amazing to think that some people like binary brain think that most Americans are remotely ok with what’s going on in the country. Right now most of us our scrambling to keep our businesses and families above water but when the time comes trust me it won’t be pretty. I still think Trump wins easily and I think the GOP takes the House and keeps the Senate. There is going to be a rebuke of Democrats like they’ve never seen before.

  12. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 7:25 pm

    To deny the reality of the country we currently live in which I accurately described is to have the highest level of willful ignorance and deceit. You are the problem and you will be required to either submit or defend your ideology at some point. All men know and understand that, but that’s why I feel like I needed to tell you. You don’t seem to understand that really simple life lesson.

  13. Cluster July 10, 2020 / 7:43 pm

    America was at its strongest point in 50 years directly attributable to President Trump. Lowest unemployment, rising GDP, new trade deals, businesses and consumer confidence was soaring. That was in the face of non stop attacks and impeachment and when nothing prevailed, the Democrats unleashed massive childish rage and began destroying the country. That’s the reality we live in and to deny that is to be willfully ignorant.

  14. Retired Spook July 11, 2020 / 1:39 pm

    This latest article from Newt may help answer some of Basement Boy’s questions about the Deep State, particularly the Deep Staters with an “R” next to their name.

  15. Cluster July 11, 2020 / 5:38 pm

    This election isn’t about Trump anymore, as much as Democrats would like it to be. This election is now about voting for America, or voting against it. The Democrat agenda has become so radical that it is completely anti American when viewed through a Constitutional lens. Abolishing the electoral college is a severe foundational blow to the Constitution. No longer will States like Wyoming and Montana have any say in who governs their country. Their voices will be silenced. Additionally the Democrats will enact much of the green new deal that will crush our manufacturing and industrial base sending more jobs overseas, they will raise individual taxes crushing small business, etc. etc. Democrats will destroy America just like they have destroyed NY, SF, Seattle, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. because that’s what they do. They destroy everything nice. No, this election is not about Trump. It’s about living in a first world, free country ….. or not.

    • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 3:07 am

      One thing the new SCOTUS ruling does is give back the vote to Coloradans. The new Leftist Bait and Switch legislature, all of whom lied about their intentions till they were elected after which they rammed through a series of radical bills obviously planned in advance, signed Colorado onto the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would say, if enough states signed onto it to let it go into effect, that the Colorado electoral votes would go to the candidate winning the national popular vote no matter how Coloradans voted. This was an effort by the Left to do an end run around the Constitution.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 1:27 pm

        The Times article strikes me as wishful thinking.

        “The Supreme Court unanimously ruled on Monday that states can require their Electoral College representatives to support their state’s popular vote winner

        The ruling, just four months before the 2020 election, upholds laws already in place in 32 states and Washington, D.C., that allow the states to outlaw “faithless electors” who cast their votes for candidates other than those chosen by the voters.

        Justice Elena Kagan wrote in the majority decision that “the state instructs its electors that they have no ground for reversing the vote of millions of its citizens.”

        “That direction accords with the Constitution – as well as with the trust of a nation that here, we the people rule,” she wrote.

        The Times article quotes fantasists claiming this also allows the states to instruct their electors to NOT vote for the states’ popular vote winners. But that seems to be a wildly erratic reading of the ruling.

    • Retired Spook July 12, 2020 / 10:06 am

      No, this election is not about Trump. It’s about living in a first world, free country ….. or not.

      That’s the way you and I see it, but for the Trump haters it IS all about Trump because they don’t see the alternative as loss of freedom and devolvement into a socialist nightmare. They simply see it as going back to the days of Obama only better. They don’t see the absolute corruption of the 8 years of Obama/Biden (because the media didn’t tell them about it, and they didn’t read Mark and Matt’s book)

      I suspect when the Venezuelan people elected Hugo Chavez in 1999 they never in their wildest dreams imagined where they’d be today. I suspect you could ask EVERY SINGLE Leftist in this country, if they fear becoming Venezuela if their side achieves total power, and very few, if any, would say that it even crossed their mind. They, after all, are the good people — this time it will be different. Well, they’ve got the “different” part right, just not in the way they imagine.

      • Cluster July 12, 2020 / 11:54 am

        I have made the parallels of Venezuela of 1999 and our current country and every Democrat I have pointed that out too is either completely ignorant of Venezuela or like you said, they somehow think it will be different.

        YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID. You either decide to live with it or not. And just FYI, our founders decided not to live with stupid.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 1:19 pm

        The thing is, both of you are right. To the simple-minded, hate-driven sheeple marching to the drumbeat of the manipulative Left, this IS about Trump. They are so obsessed with him, in the literal sense, they can’t see anything else. It is bizarre, and a little frightening, to see millions of people willingly submit to such brainwashing but that is the reality of what passes for American “politics” today. These are people who will eagerly turn over the office of the most powerful man in the world to one whose mental state is deteriorating literally as we watch, declining into progressive dementia and incapable of simple thoughts and sentences, just because he is NOT TRUMP.

        You may have heard the radio ads for the company formed to help people get out of timeshares. The ad points out that when you buy a time share you agree to let people charge you an undetermined amount of money for an undetermined length of time, obligating not just you but your heirs to whatever debt the time share company decides to impose. This reminds me of the appeal of voting for Joe Biden—sign the nation onto a contract obligating it to be run by unknown people with no accountability working in the shadows of an impotent figurehead under the control of anonymous puppet masters, implementing laws designed to make it impossible to unseat them, putting that permanent power in charge of the nation left to our heirs. Basically, electing Joe Biden is the equivalent of signing a blank check the Left can fill in any way it chooses, in perpetuity.

        But you, Cluster, are talking about REAL politics, the truth underlying the mass hysteria promulgated so successfully by the Left. That is the change in the actual governance of the nation, in the basic structure of our governance and our treatment of our own Constitution.

        We will not affect the thought processes, such as they are, of those who have so eagerly turned over control of their emotions and thinking to the manipulative Left. Those people are beyond the reach of reason. Say to any of them “Don’t you think it is a good thing to move legislation away from unelected agency bureaucrats and back to Congress, which is the only legal legislative body in our government?” and all you will get in response is “BUT…Trump’s BEHAVIOR!” Ask “Why do you object to the President’s honoring of his oath of office to uphold the law by instructing his Department of Justice to enforce existing laws?” and you will get “But he had sex with a PORN STAR!” And so on. There is not just a disconnect between the reality of the accomplishments and goals and agendas of the Trump administration and the elaborate fantasies that rule the Trump haters, it is a chasm so vast and growing so quickly it has apparently become uncontrollable.

        When a president is objectively, factually, known for administering his office according to the Constitution and is then excoriated as AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE CONSTITUTION you know hope is lost for those poor deluded souls howling in the intellectual wasteland of their blind hatred. In the old days, leprosy was considered incurable, and lepers were isolated to allow the disease to progress in them without contaminating others. I think this is an analogy of what is going to happen politically in our country. TDS is evidently incurable, and all we can do is hope to contain it before it destroys our country

      • Retired Spook July 12, 2020 / 2:31 pm

        I understand why the entrenched government bureaucracy/establishment hates Trump; he’s a threat to their power. And I understand why the far left hates him; he’s a threat to everything they stand for. But for the life of me I don’t understand why a significant portion of the rest of the country would hate him, especially with everything he’s done for the majority of ordinary Americans, and especially in light of the alternative’s dismal track record of accomplishing much of anything for the vast majority Americans. And maybe they don’t; we’ll find out on November 3rd.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 3:42 pm

        But for the life of me I don’t understand why a significant portion of the rest of the country would hate him…

        I know. It doesn’t make sense. I blame the trivialization of American culture. We have at least two generations of increasingly superficial and trivial culture that makes them not only susceptible to making major decisions based on superficial and trivial criteria but also feeling entitled to despise those who don’t agree with them. It’s a horribly destructive death spiral of culture, dependent on the results of appallingly bad education and the incessant drumbeat of Leftist propaganda, via the Agenda Media.

        American history tells us that when we have had violent lurches to the Left, either accompanied by or put in place by partial disintegration of our culture and the chaos that is part of that, there has been a steady and reliable core that has enabled us to pull out of the chaos before it completely destroyed the nation. The American flirtation with the Left in the 30s was at least an “intellectual” revolution, of smug self-congratulatory self-defined “intellectuals” rebelling against whatever it was they thought called for rebellion. The chaos of the 60s was more like what we are seeing now—-riots, arson, calling for the murder of police officers, calls for armed revolution, the radical Weather Underground, infiltration of the armed forces, etc.

        But the center held. Most of those recreational rebels outgrew their nonsense, grew up and moved on. Unfortunately, the damage done by the “educational” system has lived on, and been passed on—those indoctrinated didn’t necessarily carry on with the Leftist agenda, but the academics they got put in place did, and are still poisoning the minds of our youth. Today we don’t know how much of the nation is in that center, but as you say we will find out.

        But we will still be stuck with the silly, the superficial, the inane, the frivolous approaches to making what should be serious decisions. They will base their preferences about who will be president on things as silly as hair, speech patterns and so on. They treat presidential elections like high school popularity contests, and they are the ones who would vote for the kid promising to eliminate grades, go to a four month school year, have free sushi bars in the cafeteria, hire Beyonce as principal and have all the kids delivered to school in stretch limos. Is any of this reasonable? Of course not. Could it even BE done? No way. Deep down they know the promises of the Left are like that, but they will vote for them anyway, because they are FUN.

        I saw an Amazon ad the other day, promising that the company will be carbon-neutral in a few years. They just ordered electric trucks! And they’re going to support solar and wind power generation! Problem solved! But no matter how they build those trucks, they will be made of metal and/or plastic, they will roll on rubber tires on metal wheels, they will have glass windows, and the electricity they run on will come through metal and rubber wires held up by metal poles—every single aspect of this free energy will be made possible by mining, manufacturing and fossil fuels . But most of the country is trained to ignore anything below the most superficial level of anything, so no starry-eyed Lib is going to ask what kinds of buildings Amazon will be using as warehouses, or how that solar-generated electricity is going to get into those marvy new trucks, or even how they will get air into those tires.

        And this is analogous to the way they “think” about everything. This extends to their understanding, which is tissue-thin and fragmented, of how this nation runs or why it runs that way. They are still trapped at that infantile level of resenting authority figures, so now they can vote and they are going to get rid of cops. They have never moved beyond that Mean Girl mentality of picking someone and then savaging that person for his or her hair or clothes or accent or body type and now they are making incredibly important decisions based on that same mentality. Their schools not only failed to teach them how to think for themselves, they didn’t even allow the possibility of doing so, much less stress its importance, so now we have millions of easily-led sheeple too lacking in cognitive ability, or inclination, to know the difference (or care) between Donald Trump sending out a short video tweet of a successful rally to show how many people were there, unaware of a single faint voice in the crowd calling out “white power”, and the lie that he posted a tweet of people chanting “white power” and then praising THEM as “very fine people”.

        These people have voluntarily given up their intellectual and emotional sovereignty, and now they mindlessly take their marching orders of what to believe and how to feel from their masters. They are instructed to hate Trump. They hate Trump.

      • bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 3:35 pm

        Amazona shows up and my comments get deleted. Not a coincidence.

        I understand why the entrenched government bureaucracy/establishment hates Trump; he’s a threat to their power. And I understand why the far left hates him; he’s a threat to everything they stand for. But for the life of me I don’t understand why a significant portion of the rest of the country would hate him, especially with everything he’s done for the majority of ordinary Americans, and especially in light of the alternative’s dismal track record of accomplishing much of anything for the vast majority Americans. And maybe they don’t; we’ll find out on November 3rd.

        I don’t think this is accurate. I think the “entrenched government bureaucracy” recognizes that Trump is both incompetent and corrupt in ways well beyond those of previous administrations. To the extent that they oppose Trump, it is because they love this country and what it stands for, and they recognize that Trump does not.

        I don’t know that a “significant portion of the rest of the country” hates him, but they also recognize Trump’s incompetence and corruption. Exhibits A and B are his disastrous handling of the coronavirus crisis, and the obviously corrupt motive in commuting the sentence of Roger Stone. A “significant portion of the rest of the country” recognized that his Stone commutation is payback for Roger lying on Trump’s behalf. It doesn’t take a genius to see that.

        As for Trump’s track record? It took George W. Bush eight years to drive the economy into a ditch. It only took Trump four. I guess that’s an accomplishment of sorts.

        As you say, we’ll see in November.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 4:24 pm

        And here, obediently responding to the allure of advertising his ignorance, comes BB.

        To the extent that they oppose Trump, it is because they love this country and what it stands for, Hmmm. Wonder what that might be? I wonder what part of “what the country stands for” is in opposition to anything Trump has said or done. Keep in mind that any accurate answer has to comply with the stated intents of the people who founded the country, not some twee wish list of a permanent parental surrogate. Hint: There are many quotes of different Founders, plus a lot of their contemporaneous writings, to let you know what the country REALLY stands for—at least till it is burned down and rebuilt in the model of Marx et al.

        Your “Exhibits A and B” merely illustrate my points on the inane superficiality of what you people seem to think is analysis. What you sneer at as “…his disastrous handling of the coronavirus crisis,…” is in fact exactly how you have been howling at him to act for the past three years—that is, consult experts and follow their advice. And your sniveling about granting clemency to Roger Stone is just plain stupid. Roger Stone was so obviously, blatantly, targeted not just for prosecution but for harassment in a disgusting abuse of power, trying to force him to say something that could be used against Trump, that refusing to let this continue is hardly an example of “corruption”. It’s not as if Trump pardoned a man convicted of actual crimes so the man’s wife could continue funneling huge amounts of money into his “campaign funds”—-or pardoned known and dangerous terrorists to pander to an ethnic demographic important to his wife’s election to the Senate. It doesn’t take a genius to see corruption in mercy for an old man caught in the middle by a corrupt abuse of federal power—–it takes a moron.

        After you do your research on the founding of this nation and the proper role of the federal government (and yes, there will be a quiz) you can spend a few hours delving into the Unintended Consequences of the social engineering scheme of the Community Reinvestment Act and its weaponization by the radical Left as they used it to bully and blackmail banks into lending money to people obviously unable to pay it back, leading to the collapse of the housing market and near-collapse of the lending industry. Only the most determinedly ignorant and malignant can blame that on George W. Bush. To use a favorite Leftist phrase, he INHERITED that mess from a Democrat president and a Democrat Congress.

        And, naturally, we all know the economy was going fantastically well until we shut down the country to try to slow the spread of the virus—every effort to do so, by the way, fought tooth and nail by the increasingly vicious and callous Left. Limiting travel from some countries? RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC, IMPEACH HIM! Virus spread anyway? HE SHOULD HAVE LIMITED TRAVEL EARLIER! IMPEACH HIM! We learn that the biggest threat is not the virus itself but the massive overreaction of the immune systems of some people, and a drug used for decades to address autoimmune overreactions is helpful in dealing with cytokine storms, and the president says this drug has promise—-then the Outrage Machine goes into high gear, lying in huge all-caps headlines about how this (tested, approved and safe) treatment in common use for about 40 years WILL KILL YOU !!!.

        (“some of our colleagues are trying to treat COVID-19 related cytokine storms with just any approach that seems reasonable based on how they’ve treated other cytokines storms in the past.”

        Among other therapies, a few that have recently gotten attention (controversially or otherwise) are hydroxychloroquine and a drug called Actemra. “)

        The malignant Left (sorry for the redundancy) has been acting as a huge speed bump every single time the president has been part of, announced, discussed or referenced anything at all to do with this virus, and it has become more and more obvious that the goal is to prolong the economic misery (so stupidly blamed on Trump) in an effort to influence the election. We’ll never know for sure how many people died because they, or their doctors, were so intimidated by the screeching headlines claiming THIS DRUG WILL KILL YOU. But the Left was too invested in using this virus to defeat Trump to tolerate anything that might slow it down and let us get a grip on it. So they lied. And their stooges and accomplices, the Complicit Agenda Media, lied. And their other stooges, like you, keep flooding the internet with more lies, about how the deaths from the virus are really Trump’s fault.

        All the time the howling Left was accusing Putin of trying to influence the last election, at least they didn’t claim he had sacrificed what might be thousands of lives to do so, yet that is what the same Left has been doing this election cycle. What a choice! Influence an election (maybe) by having a few bots tease people into emotional spasms, or influence an election by causing thousands of people to die by discouraging them from getting treatment for their disease. Your side has certainly come down on the side of the latter.

        Anyway, get back to us real soon, y’hear? Just as soon as you educate yourself on the true reason this nation was formed and the intended role of the federal government in the lives of citizens, and the entire unedited sordid history of the CRA and its disastrous effects on our economy. Till them, go sit on stump, ’cause you got nothing but spite, malice, stupidity and noise.

      • bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 4:49 pm

        So much to respond to, Amazona. I’ll start with a few and if you don’t delete my response, then I will continue. We can start with what I called Exhibits A and B, of which you had a few words in response.

        Your “Exhibits A and B” merely illustrate my points on the inane superficiality of what you people seem to think is analysis. What you sneer at as “…his disastrous handling of the coronavirus crisis,…” is in fact exactly how you have been howling at him to act for the past three years—that is, consult experts and follow their advice. And your sniveling about granting clemency to Roger Stone is just plain stupid.

        There is no question that the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been disastrous. Look at where the country is at compared to other countries.

        Trump’s response can be best summed up as wishful thinking. On Feb. 28, he said, “When you have 15 people, and the 15, within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” How did that work out? Today, the state of Florida, with a population of 21.4 million, reported 15,300 new cases of COVID-19 in one day. South Korea, with a population of 51.7 million, has had 13,417 cases since the start of the pandemic. Why did South Korea, to cite one example, fare so much better than the U.S.?

        Donald Trump ignores experts while fashioning himself to be one. He claims to know more about the virus than anyone. Meanwhile, the country suffers from a dearth of federal leadership. 135,000 Americans have died. That is a tragedy.

        Not only is it a tragedy in terms of human life, it is terrible for the economy. The economy is not going to open up again so long as the virus is running rampant throughout the country. So his inaction, his inattentiveness, his unwillingness to actually lead, is also costing him the economy. That’s not even smart for him politically.

        Now, Exhibit B. Roger Stone, an American private citizen, worked with foreign spies to damage the Clinton campaign and help the Trump campaign. Trump, as candidate, accepted the help. When he was caught, Stone lied about it, not because he was in legal jeopardy, but because he knew that the Trump campaign was. He was convicted of seven felony counts by a jury of his peers, not some Deep State conspiracy. Stone admitted that he could have ratted Trump out, but he didn’t. As a reward, Trump commuted his sentence before it even began.

        Trump claims he hires the best people. Let’s review. His personal attorney, Michael Cohen: convicted felon. Paul Manafort, his campaign chairman: convicted felon. George Papadopulous, his foreign policy advisor: convicted felon. Roger Stone, his campaign advisor: convicted felon. Rick Gates, partner to his campaign chairman: convicted felon. Michael Flynn, his national security advisor: convicted felon.

        That’s a lot of criminality you’re excusing if you claim they were all set up.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 7:55 pm

        It’s so much fun to drag a string in front of you, knowing you won’t be able to resist chasing it.

        I gave you facts on how the corona virus was handled and you came back with a load of BS that boils down to the fact you hate Trump and will blame anything on him no matter how stupid you have to sound to do it. And BTW, you just reached back into your tightie whities and pulled out some nuggets to throw in. Opinions, not facts.

        There is no question that the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been disastrous. Nonsense

        Look at where the country is at compared to other countries. By what metric? According to the University of London study that Russell co-authored, Australia, Israel, Norway and Chile have possibly reported 100 percent of the known cases of the virus as of this week, while others, such as China, may have only documented as little as a third. For countries such as Iran, Italy, Spain and the U.K. that number could be lower than 10 percent. When a study finds only four nations that MIGHT be accurately reporting identified cases, and admits that China (for example) may be under-reporting by as much as 66% and others by more than 90% your whine about how the US has so many more cases than “other countries” can simply be dismissed as another of your pathology-driven delusions.

        That doesn’t even address the accuracy of reporting when it is reported at all. Earlier this month, Illinois’s top health official explained that any victim diagnosed with the novel coronavirus would be classified as a COVID-19 death—regardless of whether it contributed to the patient’s death.
        “If you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had Covid at the same time, it’s still listed as a Covid death,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the director of Illinois’s Department of Public Health, explained to reporters.

        ………………………………..
        The CDC guidance says that officials should report deaths in which the patient tested positive for COVID-19 — or, if a test isn’t available, “if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.” It further indicates that if a “definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed.’”

        “If we think it’s presumptive … we can go ahead and put down COVID-19,” Jensen said, “or even in some situations, even if it’s negative.” He pointed to the example of a 38-year-old man in Minnesota whose death was attributed to the coronavirus even though he tested negative.

        An honest person (feel free to go get a coffee or something while we discuss foreign and confusing concepts like honesty and integrity…) would understand, and admit, that there is a vast difference between dying FROM Covid-19 and dying WITH Covid-19. Accurate reporting would not list Covid-29 as the cause of death if the virus was merely present in a person dying from some other cause.
        …………………………

        That leads us to the next question: why do we think this fraudulent reporting is happening? Well, because doctors are telling us they are pressured to declare Covid-19 as COD even when it is not, when it is merely an accompanying diagnosis but not the cause of death. And why would there be this pressure on them? Well, hospitals get paid more for treating Covid patients. There are some very sweet efforts to claim that just because this is true doesn’t mean hospitals are actually DOING this, but seriously—they aren’t? Doctors pressured to put Covid down as COD seem pretty sure it’s going on

        It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).

        Both of those provisions stem from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, or CARES Act.

        The CARES Act created the 20% add-on to be paid for Medicare patients with COVID-19. The act further created a $100 billion fund that is being used to financially assist hospitals — a “portion” of which will be “used to reimburse healthcare providers, at Medicare rates, for COVID-related treatment of the uninsured,” according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
        ……………………………………
        A Kaiser Health News analysis found that the distribution of that initial $30 billion resulted in hospitals in states less affected by the pandemic — such as Minnesota, Nebraska and Montana — being given funding that worked out to be about “$300,000 per reported COVID-19 case.” In New York, which has the highest number of COVID-19 cases, the grant money amounted to “only $12,000 per case.”

        Donald Trump ignores experts while fashioning himself to be one. He claims to know more about the virus than anyone. Meanwhile, the country suffers from a dearth of federal leadership. Opinion, not fact. Three lies based on your personal pathology. If Trump thought he knew more than anyone else he would have kicked the impotent and bumbling FDA to the curb, set up a wholly different test development system, ignored the incompetent CDC and its wildly contradictory claims and advice, and called South Korea to find out how the government can impose rapid drug testing responses. On January 27, after four confirmed cases of COVID-19, South Korean health officials met with medical companies.

        The officials told the companies they needed them to develop tests for the coronavirus and that they’d rapidly approve new tests.

        A week later, the first test was approved. Of course, he would have learned that the situation in South Korea is just a teeny tiny bit different than here—for one thing, About 70 percent of confirmed cases were located in the vicinity of one city making it a lot easier to track and control the spread of the virus, and for another a very small, very regimented population in a very small geographical area poses very different challenges than 300,000 people spread across four time zones. But hey, why let a few details get in the way of a good snarl.

        What was different here? In early February, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a coronavirus test developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

        However, it would prove unreliable and mostly unusable.

        “We bought ourselves some precious time early on when we closed travel to and from China. That was very important because we reduced introduction. So, we were really in excellent shape at that time,” Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Tennessee, told Healthline.

        “But we were hampered shortly thereafter because our capacity to test was so curtailed, both on the public and private side,” Schaffner added. “So we didn’t know how widespread the virus was in our country because there wasn’t testing.”

        Hmmmm. Back to what I said about the CDC. And how much earlier would have been approved by the TDS mouth breathers as an appropriate time to kick the CDC in the butt and tell them to do their jobs if they were already approving a test in “early February”? Yeah, the test was “unreliable” but I’m sure that was Trump’s fault too,.

        Put away your crystal ball, re: Roger Stone. The real facts are clear. He was originally targeted solely because of his connection to Trump. His treatment from the get-go was an abuse of power, starting with the media-prepped SWAT team pre dawn raid on his home. His lies, such as they were, were so inconsequential and so easily attributed to age and faulty memory, in questioning about things that were not even crimes, the entire thing was a farce.

        Stop putting words in my mouth. And stop pivoting from one whine to another. Now you are carrying on about people Trump knows you claim are criminals. You proved your utter lack of credibility and decency when you dragged in General Flynn. Your desperation to find something you think will add gravitas to your ranting is pathetic. Your pearl-clutching about “criminality” is ridiculous. All you are doing is proving that you are irrelevant, your whimpering is irrelevant, and you are just tiresome noise. And one of these days we will get to see testimony about REAL criminality—violation of the Espionage Act, contempt of Congress, frauds upon the court, etc. Not meaningless plea bargain “kinda guilty” pleas to end the harassment and the hemorrhaging of money demanded by the need to defend even the most frivolous of charges but serious stuff.

        BTW, how are you doing on that research into the true role of the federal government? And the consequences of the social engineering scheme of the Community Reinvestment Act run amok?

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 8:50 pm

        As for the horrible scary terrifying rise in reported cases: So what? What matters is the drop in DEATHS.

        After a minor late-spring lull, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States is again on the rise. States like Arizona, Florida and Texas are seeing some of their highest numbers to date, and as the nation hurtles deeper into summer, the surge shows few signs of stopping.

        Yet the virus appears to be killing fewer of the people it infects — a seemingly counterintuitive trend that might not last, experts said.

        In April and May, Covid-19 led to as many as 3,000 deaths per day and claimed the lives of roughly 7 to 8 percent of Americans known to have been infected. Now, even though cases are rising in the majority of states, some of which are hitting single-day records, the number of daily deaths is closer to 600, and the death rate is less than 5 percent.

        Because death reports can lag diagnoses by weeks, the current rise in coronavirus cases could portend increases in mortality in the days to come. However, there are also a few factors that can help explain the apparent drop.

        One is increased diagnostic testing, which has identified many more infected individuals with mild or no symptoms. That means those who die with Covid-19 form a smaller overall proportion of cases, said Caitlin Rivers, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

        And with more tests available, infections are often identified earlier, “which allows us to intervene earlier,” said Saskia Popescu, a hospital epidemiologist and infectious disease expert in Arizona.

        Health experts also noted that treatments had improved, and that the virus is now infecting more young people, who are less likely to die of Covid-19.

        Poor NYT—-even trying as hard as they do to inject some doom and gloom into this (“…the current rise in coronavirus cases could portend increases in mortality in the days to come. …”) the fact is, they are stuck with reality. And the reality is that more people are proving this disease is not the killer it has been portrayed as being by the Panic Press.

        We now know why and how it kills. We now have several pathways of treatment—some of them discouraged by the Complicit Agenda Media acting in concert with the Left to scare people away from hope for recovery, because the longer this goes on the more damage done to the country and by extension to Donald Trump. (And if there’s anything we have learned from studying the Left, it’s that deaths in the pursuit of power are always acceptable—a few thousand in the US, right now anyway, or a few tens of millions in Cambodia or Ukraine, it’s all good if it’s for the cause of consolidating power in the hands of a few elites.)

        So having more people catch the disease is a good thing, because that is what is necessary to develop “herd immunity”. You remember “herd immunity”, don’t you? The Left just LOVED “herd immunity” a few weeks ago, when their explanation of it and how to achieve it depended on long term shutdowns waiting for vaccines. Now that it is happening organically, it is a disaster and…..TRUMP!!!!!

        Even the Times has to admit, tacitly, that these treatments are important in making the numbers of new cases less significant. As the article admits: …infections are often identified earlier, “which allows us to intervene earlier… “Intervene” means “treat”. “Treat” means heading off inflammation with—-wait for it—-drugs like hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and cortico-steroids. Of course, these are the very treatments the Left, aided by its media puppets, have been telling us WILL KILL US. What did the CDC tell us? No steroids, no sirree. Ventilators, that’s the ticket. Forget all those drugs that have been safely used for decades.

        Well, now doctors are treating the symptoms in front of them, not what they are told is the “disease” and they are “intervening” early on with drugs that fight cytokine storms resulting from rogue autoimmune responses and fewer people are dying, even though more are testing positive. And the howling Left is freaking out. YOU MEAN PEOPLE CAN GO BACK TO WORK AND RISK GETTING SICK BECAUSE IT ISN’T A DEATH SENTENCE? OH, NOOOOOO!!

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 8:27 pm

        So much to respond to, Amazona. I’ll start with a few

        Or really, just one—Roger Stone. Otherwise you ignored what I said and just spun off onto more of your ranting. Trump wahhhh wahhhh wahhhh leadership wahhhh wahhhh wahhahh other countries wahhhh wahhhhh wahhhhh

        What did you not respond to?

        founding of this nation and the proper role of the federal government

        the Unintended Consequences of the social engineering scheme of the Community Reinvestment Act and its weaponization by the radical Left

        headlines about how this (tested, approved and safe) treatment in common use for about 40 years WILL KILL YOU !!!. and the deaths resulting from scaring people from using the drug or doctors from prescribing it

        “All the time the howling Left was accusing Putin of trying to influence the last election, at least they didn’t claim he had sacrificed what might be thousands of lives to do so, yet that is what the same Left has been doing this election cycle. What a choice! Influence an election (maybe) by having a few bots tease people into emotional spasms, or influence an election by causing thousands of people to die by discouraging them from getting treatment for their disease. Your side has certainly come down on the side of the latter.”

      • bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 8:47 pm

        Fact: US national security officials warned Trump in January and February that the coronavirus posed a threat to the United States and recommended steps that public health officials should take. Instead, Trump consistent downplayed the potential effects of the virus. Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” Jan. 30: “We have very little problem in this country at this moment—five.” Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.” Amazona, did we pretty much shut it down?

        Feb. 4: “My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat.” His administration did not. Feb. 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” Just wishful thinking, not action or leadership. Feb. 25: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.” Was it, Amazona?

        In February, the CDC test kits proved faulty. Trump’s response? Downplay the virus. He could have mobilized an all-hands-on-deck response to get testing in order, and to make certain that no part of the US would not run short of PPE. He did neither—just more happy talk. When the CDC warned that daily life in the US could be serverely disrupted (they were right), instead of heeding their warning, Trump claimed the virus was merely the flu and did little to prepare the nation.

        In February, South Korea had tested 250,000 people—the U.S. barely a fraction of that. Why was South Korea so much more successful than the US? Hint: Leadership.

        Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.” No, it was not.

        Feb. 26: “When you have 15 people, and the 15, within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Deaths are now at around 135,000 Americans. What happened, Amazona?

        Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” One of Trump’s more delusional statements. The coronavirus has yet to disappear.

        On Jan. 31, Trump suspended entry to the US from China for many people, but lets in about 40,000 more people from China. Good job. All the while, he praised President Xi of China for his handling of the virus.

        On Mar. 12, Trump announced that travel from Europe to the U.S. would be suspended, creating a panic in which people packed airplanes to travel to the U.S. before the suspension went into effect. Was the U.S. prepared for all these people arriving in our airports? Of course not, because Trump doesn’t coordinate anything with anyone. So instead, we all saw the pictures and video of people packed shoulder-to-shoulder in hours-long lines trying to get through customs. That’s on Trump, too.

        Trump could have declared a national emergency at any point in January and February when his own agencies were warning him of the impending crisis, but he did not. Instead, he waited until the stock market tanked, revealing what he truly cares about. Actually, the way that you downplay the effects of the virus, claiming the statistics are faked and the death totals aren’t true, you would be an excellent candidate for Trump’s coronavirus task force because you would simply tell Trump what he wants to hear.

        Shall I continue?

        I’m happy to keep going, and I’m happy to address your other points, but you’ll have to convince me that you won’t simply delete my comments because of your fear of who-knows-what. If these comments stand, then I’ll address your other points.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 9:17 pm

        Oh, I’m sure you can go on about Trump and the virus. And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on……..and on and on and on and on and on.

        I didn’t claim anything—I quoted people who know. I didn’t say the “death totals aren’t true”, just that the COD of so many is highly suspect. I don’t question the “totals” just the COD. But again, you prove your inability to discern important details. Just as you can’t tell the difference between dying OF Covid and dying WITH Covid, you can’t tell the difference between challenging the death TOTAL and the claimed COD of many of those deaths. I cite reports from people who know. You just spout whatever you think will contradict what I said.

        It’s almost sweet, in a creepy kind of way, that you seem to believe that “leadership” is what it takes to defeat a virus. And then there is your ego. For example, you say He could have mobilized an all-hands-on-deck response to get testing in order, and to make certain that no part of the US would not run short of PPE. He did neither… Yet you have absolutely no idea what was being said behind the scenes. Your sense of self importance is so massive that if you didn’t know about it it just didn’t exist. It’s this simple-minded reduction of the complex to the most basic that makes it so hard to talk with people like you. You fixate on a belief, and that become reality to you. If you didn’t actually see or hear the president doing something, then, well, it just wasn’t done. It wouldn’t matter how many people heard the tree fall in the forest—if YOU didn’t hear it, well then it must not have fallen. Not in a Bunkie-centric world, anyway.

        And “get testing in order”? Huh? March into the CDC and take over the labs? Do you even HEAR yourself? In one sentence you snarl that Trump thinks he knows more than everyone else, and in another you sneer at him not overriding the experts and telling them what to do and how to do it.

        Few things are funnier that watching people who have never led bitch about how other people lead. It’s like the guy who couldn’t even get in the marching band go on (and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on….) about how the quarterback should have made a call or avoided a sack.

        So you have howled enough about the virus and TRUMP!!!!! And it’s pretty obvious this is partly because you can’t, or won’t, address the other things I brought up. How precious of you to state terms for answering my questions. Again, back to your massive ego. And do you really contend that I might have something to FEAR from some Lefty’s effort to explain the role of the federal government in the lives of citizens, or how the CRA didn’t lead directly to the housing bubble and its eventual and inevitable collapse, taking so much of the economy with it?

        Yeah, shaking in my boots I am. Because I think maybe after all this time you are going to make sense and it will, well, just scare me. A lot. Damn it, where is that sarc font when I need it?

      • bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 9:41 pm

        Yet you have absolutely no idea what was being said behind the scenes.

        Right. I can only go by what Trump says, what he does, what he has directed the federal government to do as seen by the results, and bottom line: the results. And the results are terrible.

        you seem to believe that “leadership” is what it takes to defeat a virus

        No. But leadership from the person in charge of leading the federal government is a key component of the federal response. I’m baffled that this has to be explained to you. It probably needs to be explained to Trump too.

        March into the CDC and take over the labs.

        That’s not what I said, but nice try. But Trump himself claimed to be a “wartime president.” He should have made sure that all parts of the government that were fighting the virus were adequately prepared, staffed, and working toward the virus’ eradication. Which reminds me of the fact that he and his administration completely ignored the plans put in place for exactly this scenario by both the Bush and Obama administrations.

        you sneer at him not overriding the experts

        No. I think he is at fault for not heeding his experts.

        you really contend that I might have something to FEAR from some Lefty’s effort to explain the role of the federal government in the lives of citizens.

        No, I contend that for reasons only known to you, you insist on deleting my comments.

        As to “the proper role of the federal government,” the specifics are enumerated in the constitution. This is not hard, is it. Now, we all know you’re hoping to lead the conversation into political philosophy. Which in your case, you philosophy extends only to the the federal government and your interpretation of the constitution that the federal government’s powers are extremely limited relative to the states. You seem to not care at all about other levels of government in the U.S., which is weird for someone professing to have a political philosophy.

        In any event, as you and I both know, the extent of the powers of the federal government have been debated since the days of the founders, and still are.

        Do I need to explain to you the three branches of government and how laws are made?

        What else can I answer for you?

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 11:20 pm

        You haven’t answered anything. You have used a lot of words to say nothing. Or to lie. Trump did “heed his experts”—namely, the FDA, the CDC, Drs Brix and Fauci and others in the medical profession.

        You can’t explain leadership any more than you can explain honesty—because they are so foreign to you. But it still comes back to the simple fact that you have no idea whatsoever about what was going on behind the scenes, what Trump said to anyone or what anyone said to him, what he wanted to do and what he was told would or would not work. The simple fact is that no one knew what to expect and they were ALL making it up as they went along, until enough experience had accumulated to formulate some ideas. And when they did, and he tried to bring some encouraging news to the public, the hyenas of the Left did everything they could to cancel this, by publishing lie after lie about what he said and about the therapy he mentioned. I see you still dodging the issue of how many lives were lost because people were foolish enough to believe the lying Complicit Agenda Media when they parroted the Leftist lie that THIS DRUG WILL KILLYOU!!!!

        There is not a scintilla of truth or fairness in anything you have said. It is all spite and malice. And lies.

        Unlike you, I have studied history, and I know full well that in any national crisis the leadership reveals only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, about what it is planning and working on. It takes the truly simpleminded to believe, as you do and as I pointed out, if YOU don’t know about it then it simply does not exist. But you just rely on your constantly repeated platitude of “LEADERSHIP” in a foolish effort to convey the impression that the president is not an effective president. Of course, if he were not effective he would be such a threat that trolls like you have to be sent out with your silly scripts and your endless howling. If he were not doing so much of what he was elected to do, what his oath of office requires him to do, you wouldn’t be so freaked out by him.

        “working toward virus eradication”. Once again, do you even HEAR yourself? What utter stupidity! Has any person ever, any doctor, any scientist, even hinted that this (or any other virus) can be ERADICATED? We still have leprosy and bubonic plague, you moron! But snarl at Trump because he didn’t make an impossible goal his focus, stated clearly enough to penetrate the bunker?

        You said To the extent that they oppose Trump, it is because they love this country and what it stands for, and they recognize that Trump does not. But you can’t say what this country supposedly “stands for”. When asked what is the role of the government, you ducked and dodged with a feeble effort, just referring back to the Constitution and then, of course, being you, adding a snarl. And even your snarl is stupid.

        I have never said a single thing to indicate that bizarre claim that I “…seem to not care at all about other levels of government in the U.S.,..” Aside from the profoundly dumb comment that it is only my “interpretation” that “,,,the federal government’s powers are extremely limited relative to the states…” (aside from the actual words of the Constitution and those of the Founders, I guess) I thought we were talking about the President of the United States. That is, the head of one of the three branches of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Now you complain that I am not paying enough attention to, as you put it, “other levels of government in the U.S.,”? What other “levels of government” do you think I disdain? School boards? HOAs? Which “other level of government” were you alluding to when you fretted that the president doesn’t love this country and what it stands for? Or whatever that word salad of yours was supposed to mean?

        I would be embarrassed for you, if I thought you were a decent enough human being to feel bad for you. Or if you were a genuine human being at all, instead of a construct, an invented avatar. You just cheerfully keep digging it in deeper and deeper. But through all the smoke and mirrors of your pretense at wanting to engage in discourse, it has become totally clear that this is a lie. All you want to do is take up room on this blog and hopefully toss out enough outrageous comments to bait someone into responding. And you have so little sense of personal dignity that you don’t care how utterly stupid and inane those comments are. After all, they are not YOU, prancing around flaunting ignorance and bigotry—it’s just your troll persona, checking the script for things that might prompt a response. Silly transparent efforts like “Doesn’t this BOTHER you?”

        I’ve enjoyed leading you into more and more revealing commentary to prove my original theory that you are not a legitimate poster with legitimate beliefs and a legitimate desire to discuss them. Our back-and-forth will be used to illustrate the tactics and techniques of trolldom. I will give you credit—you are marginally more skilled than most we have had infest our site. It’s given me a chance to post some information through a discussion framework instead of just posting it as standalone posts, and it has given me an idea of what to expect during the rest of the election cycle, to be prepared for similar approaches.

        Thanks for playing

      • jdge1 July 13, 2020 / 11:10 pm

        From one report – “The Florida Department of Health on Sunday reported 15,299 new Wuhan coronavirus cases. This is the largest number of cases reported in a single day. The record was previously held by New York when they reported 12,274 new cases, TIME reported.”

        From a different report – “The reason Florida saw an uptick in positive cases is because they also had a record-breaking number of tests that were conducted, more than 142K.Previous to these numbers listed below Florida was testing around 25,000 people a day.”

        6/28 – 41,644
        6/29 – 43,530
        6/30 – 45,408
        7/01 – 68,790
        7/02 – 67,079
        7/03 – 85,073
        7/04 – 69,981
        7/05 – 44,616
        7/06 – 48,503
        7/07 – 75,853
        7/08 – 51,688
        7/09 – 95/,335
        7/10 – 87,062
        7/11 – 142,981

        The above information is a good example of how the left and the media dishonestly use data to suggest something that is a distortion of the truth. Without reference to the vast increase in the number of daily test given, any discussion about the daily increase in positive results would incorrectly lead people to believe the rate of people acquiring the virus is in an upward trend, while the actual rate could be falling or remaining relatively constant. Anyone making claims suggesting “”the problem’s getting worse” have no real basis to make that statement. But that never stopped the left in their desire to distort the truth and destroy the perceived opposition.

      • Amazona July 14, 2020 / 12:01 am

        The Agenda Media also do not report the decreasing ratio of deaths to new cases. It wouldn’t matter if five million people a month acquire the virus, if very few of them die from it. As a matter of fact, the best thing that could happen would be five million a month acquiring the virus with very very few fatalities, because that would give us that herd immunity that was touted by the Left as our ultimate goal—till it wasn’t.

  16. Cluster July 12, 2020 / 4:54 pm

    I blame the trivialization of American culture. We have at least two generations of increasingly superficial and trivial culture that makes them not only susceptible to making major decisions based on superficial and trivial criteria but also feeling entitled to despise those who don’t agree with them. It’s a horribly destructive death spiral of culture, dependent on the results of appallingly bad education and the incessant drumbeat of Leftist propaganda, via the Agenda Media.

    That’s about the best characterization of the current situation that I’ve ever read.

  17. bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 8:51 pm

    You were allowed to post here as part of a discussion. You are no longer part of a discussion.

    You are not allowed to just dump anti-Trump comments.

    • bunkerboy15 July 12, 2020 / 8:58 pm

      You were allowed to post here as part of a discussion. You are no longer part of a discussion.

      You are not allowed to just dump anti-Trump comments.

      • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 9:27 pm

        Anyone else get the sense that Bunkie’s minder called him off that discussion with me, telling him :”You got your ass in a crack, boy, and you ain’t gonna win this one, so you’d better skip to the next page. We’ve got some other stuff you can dump on that blog to keep the clicks coming.”

      • Retired Spook July 12, 2020 / 9:42 pm

        No, what bothered me was when the Obama Administration weaponized the Intelligence Community to attack first candidate Trump, then President elect Trump and finally President Trump.

    • Amazona July 12, 2020 / 9:20 pm

      HEY!!!!! BUNKIE!!!!! Back to the discussion! Quit trying to squirm out of it! Quit trying to change the subject!

      I knew you would, but didn’t think you would be so blatant about it.

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