The Turning Point

I didn’t write about the raid yesterday because I was so furious I probably would have written something intemperate. I am much more calm now. But no less determined.

The “warrant” was signed off by an Obama-donating attorney who helped some of Epstein’s people skate – and tells you all you need to know: he just did what he was told. Apparently, he’s some sort of federal magistrate who normally handles routine federal matters…not signing off on warrants for an unprecedented raid on a former President.

The story is that they say that Trump violated some provision of the records laws. This is bull and you know it: we have learned from experience that Trump keeps his legal affairs in order. If he does have any documents from his Administration, then he has them perfectly legally. What they were really doing was a fishing expedition…trying to find in some of Trump’s most personal and private information something – anything – they can hang an insurrection charge on relating to January 6th. This tells you that in all their investigations so far, they’ve found nothing like that. If they had, they would have already indicted Trump for it and brought him in front of a DC jury which would know their job was to convict, facts be damned. But they have to have something – because if they tried to indict over nothing, Trump’s lawyers would get the indictment tossed at the federal appellate level. A secondary effort here would be to simply intimidate Trump’s people…to scare them into cooperating (ie, lying) in exchange for immunity. I doubt they’ll get that: the people around Trump at this late a date are the loyal of the loyal.

The whole thing is simply infuriating – Hunter Biden is on record violating a host of federal laws and he’s walking free, making money and laughing it up with the Big Guy. The Big Guy, himself, is hip deep in Hunter’s corruption. The Clinton’s were never raided even though we know – for absolute fact – that they illegally mishandled official documents. Epstein is dead and Maxwell is convicted but not a single client of theirs has been indicted (which tells you that the bulk of their clients were on the Left – the Democrats would sacrifice a large number of their own if they could get a dozen or so GOPers in jail over Epstein). We live in a two-tiered justice system…those who are favored by the Ruling Class skate, while ours are raked over on trumped up charges.

Over and over again in the past 24 hours I’ve seen people come to Trump’s defense – with large numbers of people getting determined – as I am – to see him back into the White House in 2024. And we’re taking names on the GOP side – Senator Scott made a typical RINO statement on an MSM show, got roasted for it and came out hours later with a strong condemnation of the raid. The litmus test for being involved in GOP politics going forward is condemnation of the raid…and if (when) we take back Congress, it’ll be how much pain we put Democrats through over it. We are all in a mind to punish – to make them, for once, feel the heat they’ve joyfully directed at us for decades.

In the primary elections on Tuesday, there seems to have been quite a surge in GOP voting and, more particularly, GOP voting for Trump-endorsed candidates. People are furious and ready to take action.

I hope this is the turning point – the final pebble that starts the avalanche. It isn’t time to just talk, it is time for action. I still prefer the abolition of the FBI, but if we can’t get that, then we certainly need a massive housecleaning. There are no good apples – if there were, they would have immediately resigned when news of the raid got out. From top to bottom, the bureaucracy is run by and for the DNC…that has to end, even if we literally have to fire every last one of them and start all over.

Because Revolution is our only way out of this – fortunately, we still retain the means the Founders gave us to make Revolution at the ballot box. I do believe they went a step too far here. In their desperation to remove Trump from the political field (they know he’ll beat them in 2024), all they’ve done is shown their fear and united their opponents.

69 thoughts on “The Turning Point

  1. Retired Spook August 10, 2022 / 9:45 am

    In the primary elections on Tuesday, there seems to have been quite a surge in GOP voting and, more particularly, GOP voting for Trump-endorsed candidates.

    Another GOP congressman who voted to impeach Trump bit the dust yesterday.

  2. Retired Spook August 10, 2022 / 10:20 am

    Jeff Childers follows up yesterday’s excellent analysis of the FBI raid on Mar-A-Lago with a lot more details, including everything you ever wanted to know on the magistrate who signed the search warrant.

    Politico ran a story about the raid with this one-sided but telling headline: “After the search: GOP Torches FBI, Hugs Trump.” The Politico article helpfully rounded up a bunch of other reports. One source told the Miami Herald that probable cause was established by Trump’s prior VOLUNTARY cooperation with the FBI when he had repeatedly invited them in to review documents at Mar-a-Lago and look at whatever they wanted. It sounds like this whole thing is IN FACT just about documents that some people think should be in the National Archive.

    If that’s true, it will just make everyone madder. Even Politico said, “One perplexing aspect of the Mar-a-Lago search, at least to some legal analysts, is that the crime reportedly being investigated does not seem to match the unprecedented tactic of an FBI search of a former president’s residence.”

    Some analysts went even further, already suggesting the raid could be a historic disaster for democrats, a political Hindenburg:

    “If they raided his home just to find classified documents he took from The White House,” one legal expert noted, “he will be re-elected president in 2024, hands down. It will prove to be the greatest law enforcement mistake in history.”

  3. Retired Spook August 10, 2022 / 2:38 pm

    Quote of the year: “The FBI just made a billion dollar contribution to Trump’s re-election campaign.” Dan bongino

    • fieldingclaymore August 10, 2022 / 3:26 pm

      You don’t want him to run though do you? You are a Ron D guy, right?

      • Retired Spook August 10, 2022 / 3:45 pm

        I’m a Trump policy guy; don’t really care who implements them, although if a Democrat candidate swore on his/her mother’s grave that he/she would implement all of Trump’s policies, I wouldn’t believe them. There would be less drama with DeSantis, but make no mistake, Democrats would assault a President DeSantis with every bit as maliciously as they did Trump.

      • fieldingclaymore August 10, 2022 / 4:18 pm

        So you like the traditional republican policies minus cutting entitlements plus owning libs.

      • Amazona August 10, 2022 / 10:45 pm

        I posted this on another thread.

        Wilson upended the neutral federal workforce concept established by the Templeton Act of 1888, which replaced the former “to-the-winner-goes-the-spoils” system that had been in force for a century.

        Wilson wanted policy experts in the bureaucracy in whom would be vested immense independent powers to regulate American society as they thought proper. That led to an explosion of regulations, including many intended to protect the newly muscular bureaucracy from electoral accountability.

        It was Trump’s understanding of the danger of this illegitimate de facto fourth branch of government and his steps taken to dismantle it that made him truly an existential threat to the Left’s power structure—not the silly hyperbolic way the Left uses the phrase but a true threat to its very existence—and made it necessary to get rid of him by any means possible.

        And it is his refusal to just go away that fuels the ongoing panic about the possibility that he might once again have the authority to finish what he started. And make no mistake—–after what he has been put through, it will be Katy Bar The Door and he will not be constrained by concerns of an upcoming election or anything the Left can throw at him. He made a lot of mistakes in his first term and since then, but one thing I do believe about him is that he can learn, and I think the next time around he will surround himself with a tight, disciplined and highly motivated team.

        And it will be wonderful to watch.

      • Mark Noonan August 10, 2022 / 10:47 pm

        Spook answered very well and mostly for me, as well: but the most important thing to grasp is that we on the right have all changed. I’ve probably changed more than some, but I’m only a short distance ahead of anyone else. We’re all willing to do a lot of things which even a few years ago we wouldn’t even contemplate. And the reason for this is that we’ve learned there are no rules. No norms. No laws. All that remains is power and the willingness to use it.

        We didn’t want this. We don’t want this. But starting with allowing Bill Clinton to skate on obvious perjury, we’ve all come to understand that to the Ruling Class (which is largely Left with an admixture of alleged Righties who are really no more than controlled opposition) what is right is whatever they want at the moment. They’ll literally say the opposite thing the next day if that is what they need to do to sustain their claim to power. The only thing that holds them back from exercising absolute power over us – and essentially just destroying us completely – is the power we hold.

        The other day the FBI advised the State of Missouri that they’re coming in to go over the CCW documents county by county. There is no legitimate reason for this – everyone in there has already passed whatever federal requirements there are for firearms ownership…they just want to snoop…and, of course, find out if anyone they hate has a CCW and can be painted in bad terms for political reasons. The AG of Missouri fired right back and say nothing doing: MO law prohibits transmitting CCW to any federal agency. This might wind up a lawsuit (which MO will win), but the main thing is that this unwarranted, illegal, unconstitutional snooping is being stopped only because we have someone in power willing to stop it.

        We now quest only after power – we are uninterested in working with the Left/Ruling Class. We want to fend them off until we get power – and then we’re going to very severely punish them…I’ve already written about my preferred method. Some object. We probably will never do it…but far more people are willing to go there today than yesterday…and if the Left/Ruling Class keeps up with things like the raid on Trump’s home, we’ll eventually start confiscating and proscribing.

        There’s no going back. We all know the risks and the stakes. It is win all, or lose all.

      • Retired Spook August 10, 2022 / 5:43 pm

        Depends on what you mean by “traditional Republican policies.” Trump is not a traditional Republican. He promised things that I agreed with, but, unlike past “traditional Republicans”, he actually kept his promises, ie., empower minorities, cut regulations, appoint originalist federal judges/SC justices, promoted energy independence, a foreign policy that’s based on peace through strength, historic Middle East peace accords, etc. Pretty much the opposite of what we’ve got now.

        Entitlements (I hate that word) are pretty difficult to actually cut, especially when half the elected politicians want them perpetually expanded.

        I don’t want to “own Libs”; I want to sweep them into the dustbin of history.

    • Cluster August 10, 2022 / 8:45 pm

      That’s the truth. Democrats are terrified of Trump and they should be. The FBI just handed him the election.

  4. Amazona August 10, 2022 / 10:53 pm

    I’m surprised that there is not more outrage about the invasion of Melania’s privacy, including the lengthy rummaging around in her clothing, At the risk of sounding coarse, it does create an image of panty-sniffing and fondling of intimate garments.

    If I were her I would very publicly donate every single thing these pervs manhandled to a charity, and explain that she has no interest in wearing anything that has been groped, stroked, fondled, sniffed or otherwise tainted by these people. She can afford it. She can even make some more Lefty heads explode by taking it all as a tax deduction.

    • Mark Noonan August 11, 2022 / 9:43 pm

      We’ll see what they do – but that was an outrage. And proof that they were just on a fishing expedition to find something, anything, they could use against Trump…

  5. fortyacresbeyond August 11, 2022 / 11:02 am

    “We now quest only after power.”

    At least you’re finally being honest about your “political philosophy.”

    • Retired Spook August 11, 2022 / 11:56 am

      Apples and oranges.

      • fortyacresbeyond August 11, 2022 / 2:26 pm

        Actually, it’s on the nose. Blaming his stance—that raw power is the sole objective—on others is just rationalizing. Mark says, “They’ll literally say the opposite thing the next day if that is what they need to do to sustain their claim to power,” when this is exactly what Republicans do. When the FBI investigated Hillary Clintons emails, you all “commended the FBI for reopening an investigation into Clinton’s personal email server because no one is above the law.” These are Mike Pence’s words in 2016. Now? How dare the FBI recover stolen classified documents from Mar-a-Lago!

      • Mark Noonan August 11, 2022 / 9:42 pm

        There are no stolen classified documents at Mar A Lago. The whole concept behind such a thing is the completely debunked lie about Trum;p-Russia. That your side still believes something as stupid as Clinton oppo research isn’t our problem. We know that Trump isn’t a traitor…and so we know the search was bogus.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:50 pm

        “How dare the FBI recover stolen classified documents from Mar-a-Lago!”

        Note the assumption/assertion that there WERE “stolen classified documents” at Mar-a-Lago.

        This semantic infiltration, this insertion of what are really just assertions into statements that make them look like facts, is a cornerstone of Leftist propaganda and control of the narrative.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:55 pm

        And what happened with this so-called investigation into Clinton’s personal email server?

        The head of the FBI made a long and bizarre statement about Clinton’s crimes and then said that the agency would not recommend prosecution for them. Not for the server, not for the multiple violations of demands of preservation of records, not for destruction of government records, not for destruction of government electronic devices, not for wantonly making top secret and confidential and classified information easily available to our enemies, not for any of it. It was a head fake, a sham investigation intended to convey the illusion that the FBI is a legitimate law enforcement agency and not just an arm of the Left.

      • fieldingclaymore August 11, 2022 / 3:11 pm

        Now it seems some dipshit went to the Cincinnati FBI office with a gun and I last heard was taking shots at cops from a cornfield. What could have caused this violent reaction? Back the blue baby.

      • Mark Noonan August 11, 2022 / 9:40 pm

        Some nut takes a shot. Meanwhile, nobody seems upset that a Bernie Bro tried to massacre GOP Congresspersons.

        This is what I mean – we know you don’t care, so we don’t care. Its over and done with. We’re not going to pretend any more.

        And, hey, lets see if the FBI is capable of solving a crime they didn’t commit.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 12:51 pm

        I read these impassioned posts from the Lefties who pop up here every now and then and after I see their words I always come back to the core question: WHY?

        There is always #1, which is; why do they support the Left? One would think if it is because they have considered and chosen the political structure of Leftist governance and come to the conclusion that consolidating power in the hands of a few is the best blueprint for governing the nation they would admit this and defend their position. But they tap dance around this, which leads me to believe that the political structure and ideology of the Left is not why they enable it with their attacks on its adversary, the Constitutional model. So—-WHY?

        Then there is Question #2, which is why they are so passionate, to the point of obsession, to the point of sheer lunacy, in their loathing of Donald Trump? Here is where their lack of consistency comes in. While they preen and posture over alleged commitment to honesty, decency, whatever terms are in vogue at the moment, we know that when people on their side were shown to be far more dishonest and corrupt they looked the other way, and even defended them. It only takes a moment of memory-seeking to realize that they can’t be motivated by what they claim drives their blood lust for Trump, because this passion for truth, honesty, morality, defense of the nation, simply was not there until it could be claimed to be their reason(s) for their nonstop attacks on Trump.

        They bleat and squeal about “whattaboutism” when we point this out, but that’s just a dodge. The fact is, their much-touted morality is so fluid that it always comes down to relativity, which is an absolutely essential component of Leftist support. Everything is, always and most be relative to what they want to be true or important at any given moment.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:48 pm

        Crazy people do crazy things. Why is this suddenly a surprise?

        If you guys don’t want to be judged by the anarchists who tried to barricade police officers in a building and then set in on fire, then stop the coy pretense that a single moron somehow represents “the Right”

      • Cluster August 11, 2022 / 7:15 pm

        Hey fielding, do you think Joe fucked Beau’s widow too? Or was that just Hunter?

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 4:25 pm

        Did he wait till she was a widow?

        And are we sure he waited till her daughter, his niece, was 14 before he started his sex games with her? Given Daddy Joe’s fondness for fondling prepubescent girls, he might have started grooming her a lot earlier than that.

      • fieldingclaymore August 12, 2022 / 9:28 am

        No Cluster/Neocon Joe doesn’t seem to be the adulterer type. It is much more likely your guy Trump fucked his daughter Ivanka who he called a nice piece of ass.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 8:31 pm

        Well aren’t you just a nasty little potty-mouth. But this default to viciousness is what we see when a Leftist idol is accurately described in unflattering terms.

        Jill Biden and her first husband were good friends of Biden and his late wife. Jill used to babysit the Biden children, especially after his wife and daughter were killed in a car crash. She and Joe started a long-term affair, under the nose of her husband and Joe’ so-very-good friend, which only came to light when they were driving around in the hubby’s Corvette, with Joe at the wheel, and got into a wreck.

        Once hubby learned of the affair, he and Jill divorced, and then she and Joe got married. This has been known for years, and the account I just gave about how the affair was discovered by the cuckolded husband was from an interview he gave a few years ago.

        And please don’t come here and lie. That has never worked out well for you. Trump never used those words about his daughter, you filthy minded creature.

      • fieldingclaymore August 14, 2022 / 12:32 pm

        Whatever, Trump still wants to bang is daughter. He’s a sick man! I don’t know why you guys tolerate him and his sick incestuous overtures toward his daughter.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 1:01 pm

        Thank you, fielding, for this post. It is so indicative of the mental illness of you people. These unwanted peeks into the truly sick and degenerate minds of some of the people who loathe Trump so much are very distasteful, but sometimes necessary for us to be able to realize just what we are dealing with here.

        Donald Trump, in a typical Trumpian moment of clumsy articulation, praised the appearance of his daughter, and at that time said she has the kind of appearance that he found attractive in a woman. But this effort to praise Ivanka, when run through the sewer of fielding’s mind, naturally acquired some of the excrement that not only lives there but seems to dominate it, and comes out as a desire to commit incest with her.

        And THEN, to top it off, his sick fantasy not only has Trump wanting to engage in incest, he claims he has tried to do so.

        We keep learning that there is no bottom when it comes to the sickness of so many on the Left, particularly the TDS element. When we think they can’t go any lower they surprise us and find an even deeper level of depravity.

    • Mark Noonan August 11, 2022 / 9:38 pm

      My political philosophy is what it has been for ages – my practical application has changed. I’m no longer interested in pretending that the Left wants me other than dead or enslaved. My side must obtain all the power simply so we can defend ourselves. Any power the Left has will be unjustly used against us – and so they may not have any.

      • casper3031 August 11, 2022 / 10:50 pm

        Don’t want you dead or enslaved. Don’t want you in power either.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:45 pm

        Well, you people keep talking about wanting us dead, or wanting new gulags to “reeducate” is as our rights to free speech are taken away, so naturally we have to think you might really want us dead, and/or subjected to what would amount to enslavement in a new political Inquisition.

      • fortyacresbeyond August 11, 2022 / 11:58 pm

        You advocate imposing your will by force. Whatever philosophy you might have had in the past goes out the window at that point. You certainly don’t believe in a republic. You can tell yourself stories to make yourself feel better, but you are what you are.

        As for Trump possessing classified documents, we may find out more about that tomorrow. Tonight sources close to the investigation are indicating that the materials include documents related to nuclear weapons. They don’t belong to Trump. He wouldn’t give them back. The government had to go and retrieve them, just like they would recover stolen goods from a common thief.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:44 pm

        “He wouldn’t give them back.”

        Oh, really? This is the new theme of the howling mob? How does it fit in with the ongoing communications with the National Archive? How does it fit in with Trump’s compliance with the request that some documents be secured in a locked room, with an additional lock?

        Cite the request for these documents, and Trump’s refusal.

        The giddy spinning of invented details by you people is just amazing. They have a bizarre Jon Lovitz quality to them—“, HE WOULDN’T GIVE THEM BACK! Yeah that’s the ticket”.

        And—just curious here—what is the actual legal authority of the National Archives? After seeing the CDC bureaucrats assume tyrannical powers, bringing the nation to its knees as it imposed draconian rules, I’ve become a little sensitive to government bureaucrats taking on massive power and authority.

        Were these statutes you people so piously recite legislated properly, or were thy written by political appointees? I’m not making an argument here—-I genuinely want to know, and since you people have suddenly become advocates of applying laws you might have the answers. Now that the National Archives can seemingly direct the FBI to raid the home of a former president and likely candidate and opponent of the Democrat Party, these seem like relevant questions.

      • Amazona August 15, 2022 / 4:03 pm

        Imposing a will by force is not automatically a bad thing. The judicial system imposes its will by force on people who break the law. Every law we have is an imposition of the will of the State, by force if necessary.

        Your knee-jerk opposition to anything we say does you no favors, as you just end up blurting out thoughtless pap. You can tell yourself stories to make yourself feel better, but you are what you are, and what you are is someone who feels compelled to come out against anything said by people from a certain demographic. That’s what the script says you have to do, and you obediently do it, even though it makes you look like a mindless fool, a willing puppet who loves the feel of the hand up—no, never mind, I think I’ll stop here.

      • fortyacresbeyond August 12, 2022 / 12:03 am

        “Lara Trump, the daughter-in-law to the former president, was asked about it on Fox News, and she denied seeing any such nuclear documents strewn across the private club.”

        Well that’s a relief.

      • Amazona August 15, 2022 / 3:54 pm

        Just an FYI here, to save you the trouble of posting proof: We already know you have no sense of humor and wouldn’t recognize sarcasm if it bit you in donkey.

        Lara was making fun of you mouthbreathing morons as you go howling after every lie your masters toss for you to chase. I thought her comment was really funny.

      • fieldingclaymore August 12, 2022 / 4:39 pm

        Per Breitbart the warrant was brought for possible violations of the Espionage Act 18 USC 793, amongst other statutes. Up to 10 years in the clink possible for each violation if charged and convicted.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:30 pm

        The Stalinist-style Star Chamber “hearings” of the House absolutely reek of
        Lavrentiy Beria’s comment “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.” as a desperate search for a crime, and now that the man has been identified, this continues, escalates and becomes even more farcical.

        What are we supposed to think of a federal agency which has been proved to be used to try to influence an election through spying on a candidate and his associates, committing frauds upon the FISA court by committing perjury to get it to accept invented documents as legitimate? The people who did this are still with the agency, and we are supposed to believe that now, somehow, it has miraculous become less corrupt?

        What are we supposed to think of the DOJ when it looks the other way in cases of blatant violation of the Espionage Act, not just the many crimes of Hillary Clinton but things like Alexander Vindman violating the Act by illegally repeating the content of a classified presidential conversation? And not just repeating it, but misstating it, from political bias in an attack on the president?

        You people ignore violation after violation when these acts are intended to harm Trump, but suddenly try to wrap yourselves in the flag and sudden newfound respect for the law when there is a chance the facts can be spun to let these laws be used against Trump.

      • fortyacresbeyond August 12, 2022 / 5:27 pm

        The warrant authorized a search for evidence of violations of three federal criminal laws: 18 USC 793, which is part of Espionage Act and makes it a crime to remove or misuse information related to national defense; 18 USC 2071, which makes it a crime to hide, damage, or destroy government records; and 18 USC 1519, which makes it a crime to falsify, destroy, or cover up records to obstruct or interfere with a federal investigation or “proper administration of any matter” under the jurisdiction of an agency.

        USC 793 is the law that Reality Winner was convicted of, resulting in a prison sentence of 63 months, of which she served about three years in prison.

        The materials removed from Trump’s resort include top secret compartmentalized documents, which can only be viewed in specific, secured facilities (which would not include a beach resort or someone’s home).

        I look forward to the resident United States intelligence officer’s take on this, although we can all guess what it will be.

      • Amazona August 13, 2022 / 9:19 pm

        According to Fox, it isn’t even like Trump had packed the boxes — the GSA packed them. So Trump didn’t even remove them, they were sent to him.

        Don’t just snap to the TDS whine of FOX !!!!!!. Check this out. I have seen it from other sources as well. As much as your delusional fantasies revolve around the president of the United States scurrying around the White House pilfering documents and tucking them into personal boxes, that is simply ridiculous.

        I know you guys are absolutely orgasmic in your glee at the prospect of finally having something solid to accuse Trump of, after years of vague “con man” and “criminal” bleatings, and you are clearly tickled to have actual statutes to cite. but so far it is all just noise. Some people have said some things, and then you obedient little meat puppets pick up the narrative and gloat as if you really have a smoking gun here.

        Eventually some questions will have to be answered. Why in this case was the safe opened in the residence, instead of being taken to headquarters and properly opened, preserving the chain of custody if something had been found there?

        Did the agents going through the documents have proper clearance to see top secret or classified documents, or even have the training to recognize them?

        Is there a legitimate reason to have such an impossibly broad scope of targeted documents? All documents created during a four year term?

        <…..the driving force behind this massive search could be traced back to the 15 boxes sent from Mar-a-Lago back to DC, where the National Archives just needed to get their hands on menus, guest books, and cocktail napkins. If this circus act couldn’t get even worse, the nuclear secrets leak that dropped Thursday further exposed this ransacking as a politically motivated hit. Yes, supposedly, Trump has classified documents containing nuclear secrets at his home. …………………. If there were atomic secrets, and the FBI was aware of their existence at Mar-a-Lago, why did they wait 18 months for a search warrant? We’re dealing with serial and systemic incompetence or political persecution.

        To exacerbate the issue further, we have CBS News’ Catherine Herridge finding a presidential memo from the Trump White House issued on January 19, 2021, where he declassified all documents related to the FBI spy operation against his 2016 campaign; dubbed ‘Crossfire Hurricane.’

        Then President #Trump issued this memorandum 1/19/2021 on declassification FBI Crossfire Hurricane records. Circulated to AG, DNI, CIA. May now be relevant once full holdings from Monday search at Mar-a-Largo catalogued. https://t.co/riiagd8ct6 pic.twitter.com/T8YKrZptS7

        — Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) August 12, 2022
        …………………….
        As to what was seized, the list is illuminating, and not in a good way for the FBI’s conduct. According to a report from The Washington Post, citing information leaked to them by the government (which says a lot on its own), the boxes taken were full of what would mostly be considered personal effects and mundane presidential records.

        There were rumors many months ago that this is all that the National Archives was after. Not really important things related to national security or some such, which even still wouldn’t justify the raid, but scribblings on napkins and letters from heads of state. If this report is correct, that’s what the FBI carried out an unprecedented raid on a president for. 33,000 stolen emails put on an illegal server weren’t enough to raid Hillary Clinton, but the National Archives wanting a letter from Kim Jung Un was. The abuse of power is off the charts.

      • Mark Noonan August 14, 2022 / 3:23 pm

        You don’t know if anything secret was taken from Trump’s home – you’re relying on the word of an agency which has proven again and again it will lie for political purposes.

        That said, even if there was secret information there, it was secret information from when Trump was President and the President decides what is secret and what isn’t – and any documents he may have were obtain by him prior to noon on 1/20/2021 when he was President and could do whatever he damned well pleased with them. He’s not the subordinate – he’s not bound by the rules on classification..the President decides what is classified and he can declassify anything at any time for any reason or no reason at all…and there’s no legal requirement for it to then go through the bureaucracy to make it official. As soon as the President says so, it is done.

        You’re barking up two very wrong trees here – because you simply hate Trump. And the kicker is you hate Trump not because of what you know, but because of what you’ve been told about him by people who have proven to be liars. You might want to think about that for a bit.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 4:17 pm

        because you simply hate Trump.

        Exactly. But to drill down a little deeper, they don’t really hate Trump so much as hate the invented Trump fed to them and then demonized by the media figures they have chosen to tell them what to believe.

        This is why I have referred to the “Invented Other” of the Right, because in reality what the obedient little meat puppets of the Left, such as those who have started posting here again, are not spewing hate about real people and real events. They are merely recycling the hate fed to them by their masters, over imaginary and created characters and events, and accepting the motives assigned to these imaginary people.

        People do what feels good to them. Some people pursue truth and fairness because this feels good them, and some prefer to wallow in vitriol and hate because this resonates with some core element of who they are.

        For years now I have been observing that the Left has developed the tactic of recruiting people with personality disorders, validating those characteristics and praising them, telling these people in the grip of profoundly negative and destructive emotions and perspectives that this is not only normal it desirable and proof that they are special.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 4:20 pm

        Kurt Schlicter has talked about the “political onanism” of Leftist opinionists, and I find this to be an accurate observation, given the time and energy they spend stroking and fondling the elements of Leftist lies that give them the most pleasure.

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 4:38 pm

      I’m going to throw forty a curve ball here, and suggest a moment of actual thought.

      You think you brilliantly addressed the comment about power, but all you did was point yet another finger at your own cartoonish simple-mindedness.

      There is the quest for power to dominate and then there is the quest for power to liberate.

      1939’s Germany showed a quest for the power to control people, to impose its will on them. The 1940-1945 Allies sought the power to stop them and ensure freedom. Surely even you can see the difference.

      The American Left, the offspring of the International Left that took over various nations in the last century, seeks power to dominate. We have seen this exposed right here in the last year and a half, as our Leftist administration has openly engaged in imposing its power on the nation. We are seeing federal agencies weaponized, citizens threatened, citizens forced out of their jobs or military positions, spying on citizens, an effort by part of a branch of government now aided by federal agencies to control the next presidential election, and in general the same tactics used by tyrannical governments when they gain power.

      The Left uses power to subjugate. Seeking the power to liberate is a far different thing.

  6. Cluster August 13, 2022 / 5:48 pm

    You fucking losers are just at it again lol. This is Russia Collusion 2.0 you dipshits, and you fall hook line and sinker for it every time. You’re so fucking gullible. And fielding at least be original with your sarcasm. Copying me is flattering and expected but think of new material. You’re so boring

  7. Cluster August 13, 2022 / 5:49 pm

    Hey Casper what are the cool kids doing today? lmao.

  8. Cluster August 13, 2022 / 5:52 pm

    Im going to see Ron DeSantis, Kari Lake, Blake Masters, and Charlie Kirk tomorrow in Phoenix. Can’t wait to hear DeSantis and can’t wait for Trump 2.0 in 2024. We have the FBI to thank for that.

  9. Cluster August 13, 2022 / 5:57 pm

    The established political ruling class sends out the narrative and directives and lemmings like Casper and fielding just fall right in line, no questions asked. It’s comical to watch. And I guarantee you they are both fully vaxxed and boosted and probably considered getting the monkey pox vax too 😂😂

    Never thought people would act like that but here we are

  10. fortyacresbeyond August 13, 2022 / 11:56 pm

    On the one hand, Amazona says, “stop the coy pretense that a single moron somehow represents ‘the Right.’” On the other hand, she says, “You people keep talking about wanting us dead” when none of the so-called “liberals” here has said that. (You all have.) Maybe you should take your own advice and stop using a broad brush when responding to individual posters here. Just a thought.

    You say, “I know you guys are absolutely orgasmic in your glee at the prospect of finally having something solid to accuse Trump of.” Sweetie. There has never been such slavish devotion to a political figure in the history of the United States as the followers of Donald Trump show to him. It’s to the point that your pals have completely renounced their supposed long-held philosophical leanings in favor of governing by force and might so that their idol might once again rise to the presidency. It’s both comical and sad.

    As for the FBI’s search at Mar-a-Lago, you quote from a Townhall article (without attribution) that mostly depends on speculation by the author. As for using the term “stolen” with respect to the documents that Trump kept at Mar-a-Lago, what would you call it? The documents don’t belong to him and he refused to return them even after a subpoena. According to actual reporting (versus idle speculation), after the DOJ subpoenaed Trump to retrieve the documents that don’t belong to him, his lawyer maintained that he had in fact turned over everything. But that wasn’t true and “some law enforcement officials came to suspect Trump’s representatives were not being truthful at times — and that despite the months of conversations, Trump was still holding on to documents and other items that properly belonged with the Archives,” per the Washington Post’s reporting. This led to the search warrant, and of course now we know they were correct.

    Since then Trump has tried all kinds of excuses for why he was keeping classified material that didn’t belong to him. It’s a Deep State conspiracy. It’s all a hoax. The evidence was planted. Obama did it, too. It was an accident. Someone else packed it all and he had no idea what was in those boxes. He declassified everything in his mind. It just goes on and on, looking for suckers to believe his excuses.

    You say, “According to Fox, it isn’t even like Trump had packed the boxes — the GSA packed them.” This would be the same Fox that this week aired an obviously doctored image of the judge with Ghislaine Maxwell, the original image being easily found in a matter of seconds. And you find this “news” network trustworthy?

    • Cluster August 14, 2022 / 7:40 am

      Go take another vaccine that will make you feel better

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 1:46 pm

      OK, forty—take a breath and calm down. You were so wound up when you pounded out thsi post your keyboard probably needs a break.

      I’m just going to list the comments that clearly come either from the fever swamp of your own overexcited imagination or, possibly, those sources that seem to keep you energized.

      It’s to the point that your pals have completely renounced their supposed long-held philosophical leanings in favor of governing by force and might

      This is a doozy. “pals”? Specifics, please. “renounced their supposed long-held philosophical leanings ” Specifics, please. “in favor of governing by force and might” Again, what the hell are you babbling on about?

      “he refused to return them even after a subpoena. ” Sources for this, please. No doubt this comes from your “actual reporting” sources. Specifics, please

      ““some law enforcement officials came to suspect Trump’s representatives were not being truthful at times — and that despite the months of conversations, Trump was still holding on to documents and other items that properly belonged with the Archives,” As usual, “some law enforcement officials” are not identified, and the coy passive voice of “came to suspect” also depends heavily on the word “suspect”.

      “of course now we know they were correct.” No we don’t.

      “Since then Trump has tried all kinds of excuses for why he was keeping classified material that didn’t belong to him.” Note your effort to present speculation as established fact—in this case, that Trump was ” keeping classified material that didn’t belong to him.”

      “He declassified everything in his mind. “ And here we go. It almost always happens. You guys get on a roll, excitedly referring to what you have so eagerly slurped down at the trough of the Agenda Media, that you need to expand upon it. And then you start to lie. This statement is an out-and-out lie. Trump openly and publicly declassified thousands and thousands of pages of documents.

      MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
      THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
      THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

      SUBJECT: Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation

      Kash Patel was present in at least one of the meetings in which Trump declassified documents:

      PATEL: What he did was on his way out of the White House, he declassified — made available to every American citizen in the world — large volumes of information relating not just to Russiagate, but to national security matters, to the Ukraine impeachment, to his impeachment one, impeachment two. (And no, as I can hear those TDS gears grinding, “on his way out of the White House” does not mean walking out the door on January 20. It means engaging in various things to prepare for leaving.)

      In October 2020, Trump tweeted, “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!”

      Now you can argue that Trump failed to go through some alleged process to make this official, and that will be met by arguments that there is no definitive legal process that MUST be met to make declassification final. There are myriad OPINIONS out there, all butting heads with each other, and it may turn out that Trump missed a step in his declassification efforts. It will probably turn out to be another Democrat Jerry Springer debacle, with Trump correctly asserting that he had the legal right and authority to declare the documents declassified and the Dems howling “But he didn’t put the right STAMP in the right PLACE on the fronts of the DOCUMENTS !!”

      But to claim that “He declassified everything in his mind” is, quite simply, a blatant and vicious lie, but what we see all the time when you people are so overwrought in your irrational hatred that the truth is never enough and you have to elaborate on it.

      It’s going to come out that (A) Trump did legally declassify these documents, (B) He probably should have had someone come in with a red rubber stamp to mark them as declassified (C) Someone (and the finger pointing would start here) dropped the ball by omitting some step in getting this declassification entered into the right archive (D) and it’s OK because the Left got this dragged out into primary season and managed to get a lot of crap thrown around, some of which might stick, and after all that’s what this is all about anyway.

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 3:59 pm

      There has never been such slavish devotion to a political figure in the history of the United States as the followers of Donald Trump show to him.

      This theme of the Left is tireless. For one thing, it is a projection of the wholly emotional devotion of Leftists to their idols. We saw this in the adoration of Obama. We saw magazines lined up all blaring Obama photos and the banner THE ONE WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. He was declared a “Messiah”. This was all propped up with tricks like using reverb on speakers to give his voice that special divine quality, and having a front-row woman pretend to swoon at the right point in an Obama speech so he could pause and call for help for her. To even ask a question about him or his history called for retribution, outrage and was considered blasphemy. Even Michelle was given the worship treatment. This ungainly woman who walked across a stage like she was killing ants was described as “the most elegant First Lady in history”.

      On the other hand, mainstream Republicans were frustrated beyond belief at the tactics of the people in charge at the party, as they seemed to be clueless about what matters to people out in Real Land. They gave us place holders like Bob Dole—a nice enough guy, but “nice” and “it’s his turn” never impressed us much.

      Then along came Trump. He was not ideal—he had a sordid personal history, an awkward way of speaking, and he didn’t seem very likable in a lot of ways. But by that time we were sick and tired of Identity Politics. We liked the idea of a guy who didn’t seem to be trying to ride a government position to enrich himself. We liked the idea of a guy who had enough fame and fortune to be independent of the lures that seemed to draw in so many. We liked the fact that he had been hounded, attacked, investigated and pursued for decades and no one had ever laid a hand on him, telling us that he not only didn’t get intimidated by these tactics he was willing to fight till he won.

      But what we REALLY liked was that he loved this country and wanted to bring her back to her former glory as a beacon of prosperity and freedom for the world. We liked the fact that as a businessman he had an understanding of economics that clearly no other politician in the country had. We liked the fact that he was a problem solver.

      He was not perfect. But he was there, and he was the best option we had. He at least had promise, potential, to turn the party and the country around. Many of us thought he would drag the party down. I was probably the most vehement anti-Trumper this blog has ever seen, and I went toe to toe with people who defended him. I was never concerned that he would not be a good president, I was just worried about his candidacy because of his baggage. But when he got the nomination I supported his candidacy. Of course, I had no choice, given the alternative.

      And then, and THEN, the man totally surprised me, and slowly earned my respect. He not only did what he promised he would do, he did it well, and I liked the results. I think my “loyalty” if you want to use a more emotion-based word, came from seeing him do this under pressures and treatment no other president has ever had to endure.

      The legitimacy of his election was challenged, vociferously and relentlessly—as it came from the Left it was OK, not like now when you say it is “treason”. He was attacked in every possible way, from every possible direction. He even had to deal with anti-Trump implanted saboteurs in his own administration. He had to deal with #RESIST, which was a subversive plot to undermine his administration, cripple him and drive him out of office, promoted by the Agenda Media and joined even by members of Congress.

      The blatant and grotesque unfairness of these nonstop attacks and his courage and steadfastness in standing up to them is what earned my loyalty.

      I didn’t need an emotional connection to the man to see the total unfairness and dirty tricks of the Left as they swarmed on him. I didn’t need an emotion-based attachment to him as a person to see the lying, the deceits, the wholly unfounded and totally vicious war declared on him.

      And I liked what he was doing, under immense and unprecedented pressures from the increasingly vicious Left. I liked his policies, I liked his awareness of the Constitutional dangers of the Bureaucratic State, that de facto fourth branch of government that was destroying our country and eroding our Constitutional form of governance and its protections of our rights. I liked the fact that he got things done, and I liked what he was getting done. Although I never found him very likable as a person, I liked him as the CEO of our nation.

      And here we come back to our starting point. The thing is, most on the Right reject Identity Politics. We don’t need to LOVE our candidates, we don’t need to wallow in emotional gratification over them. In fact, we reject that. As I said about Trump, I didn’t want to date him, I wanted to hire him. It’s not our fault if people who make their “political” decisions based solely on emotion assume we do, too.

      What you people are seeing, or at least pretending to see, as “slavish devotion” is almost completely a defense of him because of what is so blatantly an unfair and unfounded and indefensible determination to destroy this man in any way possible. We would have been offended at bear baiting, too. Seeing dozens of dogs set upon a bear while slavering mobs cheered for blood would have made us cheer for the bear.

      If you don’t want us to defend Trump stop attacking him.

  11. Cluster August 14, 2022 / 8:16 am

    Debating the contents of the boxes found in the raid at Mar a Lago, is exactly like debating the contents of the Steel Dossier. There’s no substance to it whatsoever but the media, and foot soldiers like forty will debate ad nauseam on the endless meaningless details. It’s a circle jerk, just like the Ukraine phone call, Kavanuagh as a serial rapist, the insurrection, blah, blah, blah,

    Stop debating the Democrat agenda. Go on offense with our agenda. They stole the election and they have us on the verge of a world war so in my book they are sub human and not worthy of any attention. #TRUMP2024 #DeSantis2028 = let’s make this happen

  12. Cluster August 14, 2022 / 9:16 am

    Plot thickens

    “Developing: Sources say the FBI agents and officials who were involved in the raid on former President Trump’s home, work in the same Counterintelligence Division of the FBI that investigated Trump in the Russiagate hoax and are actively under criminal investigation by Special Counsel John Durham for potentially abusing their power investigating Trump in the Russian fraud

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/sperry-fbi-agents-involved-trump-raid-criminal-investigation-durham-abusing-power-trump-russia-probe/

    • Mark Noonan August 14, 2022 / 3:18 pm

      The raid is the cover up.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 5:00 pm

        Well, we have to look at the big picture here. Is the raid another effort to convince people that Trump is a criminal? Obviously.

        Is it an attempt to influence the looming midterms? Of course.

        But what else? Well, for example, Trump tried to make all the records of the Russiagate Hoax available to us, and now, I’m sure coincidentally, they are sealed again because they have been seized and are part of that “ongoing investigation” refrain.

        That’d be handy if Trump runs again.

        And we are supposed to just ignore the fact that these documents also implicate very serious misdeeds by the very agency that just took possession of them.

        But…nothing to see here, folks, just keep moving. Just another Stasi exercise.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 5:12 pm

        And then there is this, to explain the frantic effort to find a crime here: From the Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978 the final statute states:

        Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.

        That is, if they succeed Trump can’t even get into his own old records. These guys are good, really good. They have found every way possible to destroy this man.

        But you know what’s funny? The guy waiting in the wings after they bring Trump down is so much more of a threat to them, and they are so obsessed with Trump they don’t even realize this.

      • Mark Noonan August 15, 2022 / 10:32 pm

        Over at Ace he linked to an article where the author suggests – and this does seem credible – that given that Trump ordered a full declassification of all Trump-Russia and Hillary documents, what this raid was for – aside from fishing and hoping to turn something up against Trump – to essentially reclassify the Trump-Russia and Hillary documents…you know: “well, Trump did order them declassified but now that they are part of our double-secret probation investigation, ‘fraid we can’t let you see them”.

        Bottom line is that anything said by the FBI and DOJ about Trump should be assumed a lie unless proven otherwise…they get no benefit of any doubt.

      • Amazona August 16, 2022 / 11:53 am

        This is where Cluster and I have been going as well.

        Timeline: The misdeeds of the FBI were documented, but there was a certain sense of safety in the Bureau because those documents were classified. Even if someone like Durham could gain access to them he couldn’t cite the contents in his report, or in a legal proceeding.

        Then Trump declassified those documents, openly and publicly, referring specifically to the operation they represented. They were still relatively safe though as they had not been published. But they represented a potential time bomb.

        Trump’s popularity is undiminished in spite of the efforts to destroy it through the Stalinist-style House hearings, and he is on the cusp of declaring his official candidacy. So the potentially lethal documents have to be recovered, because it was a certainty that they would become part of a Trump campaign.

        Setting all this aside for a moment, and even setting aside the criminality and corruption this all shows—-I am pretty uncomfortable with the fumbling, bumbling, incompetence of the FBI. It should be pruned down to its rootstock and rebuilt just for this alone.

        And I am hoping that Trump, who sometimes does show canny strategizing, copied these documents and put them far far away from Mar-A-Lago. That’s when I open the popcorn stand and get rich.

  13. Amazona August 14, 2022 / 2:07 pm

    The hysterics will never be able to step back and look at this through a different lens, but one thing that comes through to me is the disorganization of our federal bureaucracy. We have laws that are legitimately passed by the legislature and we have regulations and rules put in place by unelected political appointees running various agencies, and they become comingled, intertwined and often internally contradictory.

    The first time I realized this was when I was researching Obama’s citizenship. A question came up about his trip to Pakistan as a youth, when Pakistan was on the State Department’s banned list. How could he go there on an American passport? Here is where the obfuscation started, as no one could ever find out if he had ever been issued an American passport, but what got my attention was the confusion about citizenship.

    Sometimes you could have dual citizenship, American and somewhere else, but I couldn’t find out when or where or how this law changed. Was it a law or was it a rule or was it a regulation? If it was one thing and then another why wasn’t there a paper trail of documentation?

    Then I got into Obama being a citizen of another country, but born to a US citizen. Supposedly a child with dual citizenship, as Obama had, was supposed to declare at 18 (or 21, I forget) for one country or another. So how would this be done? Is there a process for doing this? Is there a form to fill out? A record? Evidently not. In typical bureaucratic fashion someone decided a rule should be enacted. A properly legislated law or a regulation or just a rule? No one seems to know. Then someone else decides it should be changed? How and by whom? Is this a formal process? Is it properly recorded?

    As far as I could tell, citizenship was (and probably still is) a fairly fluid thing, poorly identified, poorly documented and impossible to pin down. At least sometimes. And, of course, the question at the time touched upon, or could be claimed to touch upon, Obama, so any objective analytical question ran into the wall of hysterical defenses of Obama, and the political minefield he represented.

    Now chill out, TDSers—-this is not about Obama. This is about the fact that something as serious and significant on so many levels as legal US citizenship is a hot mess of confusion and with my limited ability to do research I was never able to find out if there was ever any formal law enacted then formally changed and in either case formally entered into an actual legal archive of properly decided events.

    So, now circling back—I am seeing the same bureaucratic bumbling when it comes to any process for declassifying documents. Does the president have the authority to declassify documents? Is there a formal process for this? What is it? Where is it recorded? Is a document declassified if a step for doing so in one description of the process is skipped? Are these legislated laws, or regulations, or just rules? If they are not legislated, who made the rules? Are they enforceable if never properly legislated?

    Again…this is not about Trump. It is about how hard it can be to navigate the shoals of confusing, poorly written, poorly recorded, poorly documented laws, which are not the same as regulations, which are not the same as rules, as well as how much authority do agencies have to make rules and is that a good thing?

    And then I come to a diferent question: What is the formal legal authority of the National Archives?

  14. Amazona August 14, 2022 / 2:31 pm

    An interesting article:

    Former President Donald Trump’s final declassification request was blocked by the Justice Department after he left the White House, new records reveal.

    The memo by Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows that was delivered on the morning of Jan. 20, 2020, noted the Justice Department “must” release the binder of declassified documents about the flawed Trump-Russia investigation, following a Privacy Act review. The Justice Department under Attorney General Merrick Garland does not appear to have released the records despite the declassification order from Trump and the last-minute memo from Meadows.

    Is this going to end up in a legal battle over Trump thinking he had declassified documents and the already-proven Agenda Agencies stepping in to block his efforts?

    Meadows told the DOJ the Office of Legal Counsel had said the Privacy Act doesn’t apply to the White House, but that “we do not intend to disclose materials that would violate the standards of the Privacy Act.” The Trump chief of staff nevertheless asked the DOJ to review the records for anything that might run afoul of the spirit of the privacy law.

    “Accordingly, I am returning the bulk of the binder of declassified documents to the Department of Justice (including all that appear to have a potential to raise privacy concerns) with the instruction that the Department must expeditiously conduct a Privacy Act review under the standards that the Department of Justice would normally apply, redact material appropriately, and release the remaining material with redactions applied,” the Meadows memo ordered.

    Did the DOJ refuse to comply with the legal order from the president, and is this the last act of #RESIST. the embedded sabotage program of the Left focused on undermining presidential authority?

    • Mark Noonan August 14, 2022 / 3:17 pm

      Yep – my view is that a President cannot mishandle classified information as the President has ultimate authority over what is classified. If we had a deep spy in Putin’s inner circle and Pudding Brain decided to release this information to the world this might not be the best idea, but it wouldn’t be mishandling. Any document which Trump decided to retain was retained prior to noon on 1/20/2021 and that means the President decided that the private citizen Donald Trump can have it. One can argue whether this is a good idea or not, but the bottom line is that the President can’t break the laws and regulations regarding classified information.

      Now, to carry it a bit further – it has been pointed out that the government claims the need for secrecy all the time and usually to cover something up. We must get to a situation where nothing is classified unless the President orders it so – document by document or act by act…no blanket secrecy. It is our government, and we must know what its doing at all times.

      • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 4:09 pm

        it has been pointed out that the government claims the need for secrecy all the time and usually to cover something up. We must get to a situation where nothing is classified unless the President orders it so – document by document or act by act…no blanket secrecy

        Well said

  15. fortyacresbeyond August 14, 2022 / 5:52 pm

    “You were so wound up when you pounded out thsi post your keyboard probably needs a break.” This from the person who wrote four or five posts last night and thirteen more today. You have projection down to a fine art.

    ” Specifics, please. ‘in favor of governing by force and might’ Again, what the hell are you babbling on about?” How about you try reading the thread before commenting? Specifically Mark Noonan’s comments

    “‘he refused to return them even after a subpoena.’ Sources for this, please.” It’s been reported by virtual every news agency that the Trump received a subpoena in the spring to retrieve the stolen documents. Here is a link from Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-received-subpoena-for-classified-records-this-spring-cooperated-by-turning-over-documents-source. It’s also clear that he did not return everything because the FBI found boxes and boxes of such material when they conducted their search.

    “He declassified everything in his mind.” Just reporting one of Trump’s many excuses. Now Fox News is saying, ““President Nixon said, that if the president does it, that it is not illegal. Is that not truly the standard when it comes to classified documents?” What do you think, Amazona the Constitutional scholar? Is that the standard now?

    “We saw this in the adoration of Obama.” Isn’t it time for you go to to another rally in support of the man you all think God anointed to be president? Talk about a messianic cult. Pro tip: If they offer you a glass of Flavor Aid, run. “But what we REALLY liked was that he loved this country and wanted to bring her back to her former glory as a beacon of prosperity and freedom for the world.” What he really loves is himself. He was the most divisive president in memory.

    “Trump openly and publicly declassified thousands and thousands of pages of documents.” When? When did you hear about it? If it was so open and public, who reported on it when it happened?

    I would address your comments about political structure and ideology, but the last time I reponded to you on that topic, you ignored me. So forgive me if I don’t feel like wasting my time on your silly games again.

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 10:24 pm

      Thanks for admitting that your personal choices for “news” somehow manage to not give you any. That’s OK–we can bring you up to date here.

      So sorry that in your troubled mind the ability to process information accurately and present it, as well as the ability to type fast, somehow add up to a foundation for personal attacks. Oh, well. Sucks to be you. But kudos for the counting.

      governing by force and might In general, a description of Leftist governance. More specifically, and more recently, in this country, and this in only 18 months of power.

      You will be injected with an experimental drug that you personally find unnecessary or even dangerous, or we will force you out of your job or military position.

      You will be injected with an experimental drug that you personally find unnecessary or even dangerous, or we will not let you travel, even by car, from one state to another. (This one didn’t happen, but it was threatened)

      You will isolate yourself and your families, losing your livelihood and depriving your children of education and socialization.

      You will submit to having your children indoctrinated into beliefs you find offensive or dangerous, including racism, gender fluidity and being groomed for sexual purposes, or you will find yourself on lists of subversives and domestic terrorists.

      You will submit to the loss of free speech or you will be labeled as a domestic terrorist

      You will submit to the loss of the right to petition the government or you will be labeled as a domestic terrorist, and if arrested as such lose your right to confront your accusers or have a speedy trial

      You will comply with the State’s demands that you give up your traditional forms of energy and adopt renewable energy and the State will make the cost of traditional energy crippling to force you to do this

      This is only what immediately came to mind, but we see violations of basic civil rights and the heavy hand of oppressive government every day.

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 10:32 pm

      Your own link discusses the fact that Trump complied with the subpoena. Try reading it.

      “He declassified everything in his mind.” Just reporting one of Trump’s many excuses” No, just lying and claiming that Trump said something he did not say. This has been addressed at length—you know, the kind of lengths that make you twitchy—right here on this blog. Try reading what is said, for a change.

      Then there is the rant based on the voices in your head, followed by another whine about information given here which you couldn’t be bothered to read.

      I would address your comments about political structure and ideology, but the last time I reponded to you on that topic, you ignored me. Somehow I doubt that you ever made such a response. It is true that I have had some periods of time when I have not been here much, so it is theoretically possible that you actually did try to explain a coherent political philosophy—but so unlikely, given your history, that I’m not buying it. Or your pathetic excuse for not explaining it now.

    • Amazona August 14, 2022 / 10:57 pm

      “Trump openly and publicly declassified thousands and thousands of pages of documents.” When? When did you hear about it? If it was so open and public, who reported on it when it happened?

      I remember seeing Trump say, either in an interview or in a press conference, that he had just declassified the documents relating to the Russia Hoax. That means it was on TV. He also tweeted about it. And then, of course, there was his official memo to the AG, the Director of National Intelligence and the Director of the CIA.

      I know you won’t go back and look up the post on this, so I’ll repost it for you. I originally posted it earlier today, at 1:46 p.m.

      MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
      THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
      THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

      SUBJECT: Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation

      Then I posted this, about an hour later:

      Former President Donald Trump’s final declassification request was blocked by the Justice Department after he left the White House, new records reveal.

      The memo by Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows that was delivered on the morning of Jan. 20, 2020, noted the Justice Department “must” release the binder of declassified documents about the flawed Trump-Russia investigation, following a Privacy Act review. The Justice Department under Attorney General Merrick Garland does not appear to have released the records despite the declassification order from Trump and the last-minute memo from Meadows.

      Meadows told the DOJ the Office of Legal Counsel had said the Privacy Act doesn’t apply to the White House, but that “we do not intend to disclose materials that would violate the standards of the Privacy Act.” The Trump chief of staff nevertheless asked the DOJ to review the records for anything that might run afoul of the spirit of the privacy law.

      “Accordingly, I am returning the bulk of the binder of declassified documents to the Department of Justice (including all that appear to have a potential to raise privacy concerns) with the instruction that the Department must expeditiously conduct a Privacy Act review under the standards that the Department of Justice would normally apply, redact material appropriately, and release the remaining material with redactions applied,” the Meadows memo ordered.

      I suppose you will count my reposts of material you just ignored in your next complaint about my verbosity.

    • Mark Noonan August 15, 2022 / 10:29 pm

      No MSM report can be taken at face value – especially if it is reporting on what the DOJ and FBI claim because we know the DOJ and FBI are dishonest, politically corrupted organizations. Look, I realize you disagree with us and that’s fine – but don’t bother trying to argue on points we’ve rejected as fictional. Aside from MSM reports, do you have any evidence which indicates that Trump so much as had classified information?

      You have none. You have claims – anonymously sourced usually. That’s it. You’ve got nothing – you’re building your entire position on rumors set afloat by people you know are liars.

  16. Amazona August 14, 2022 / 10:48 pm

    I would like to see more attention paid to the fact that many of the documents Trump declassified were about the rampant corruption and lawbreaking of the FBI in the runup to the 2016 election. Trump wanted the public to be able to see what really happened.

    And now those records are back in the hands of the FBI and under the protection of being “evidence”. They will be hidden, again, and never see the light of day.

    Cluster touched on this at 9:16 this morning, and linked to an article about it.

    Coincidence? Hardly.

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