Open Thread

I had mentioned the other day that the latest Current Thing is fear-mongering over gas stoves – now that its been a couple days, it is all clear.

The initial fear-mongering was apparently a 2020 study out of UCLA and paid for by the Sierra Club (which advocates for the elimination of oil and gas). This study used a 10×8 room which had been sealed with plastic which they then ran an unlighted stove in for a while and, guess what?, if you have a sealed room and an open gas valve, the air will get toxic. Who knew?

From there, it made it into the MSM and then on to the regulatory agencies and legislatures. That is where we are now – with a few places (NYC most prominent) banning new residential gas installation and various federal agencies looking into the “threat” of natural gas and how it is to be addressed. The initial blowback once the proposal to ban gas stoves was made public caused what seemed like a step back – a claim that, no, nobody is coming for your gas stove. This is just as convincing as the claim that we could keep our doctor. The plan is now proceeding and taking the next, crucial step: reports in local news outlets. You know the type of report: “Is your gas stove killing you?!?!?!? Tune in tonight and find out!”. All of it is still based on that 2020 study, which is pure garbage because there never will be a situation where someone turns on a gas range in a sealed room. It is the same sort of study, though, which was used to ban indoor smoking (they seriously claimed that second hand smoke was just as deadly as the guy huffing three packs of grits a day), rework your gas can into ineffectiveness and a host of other changes imposed by regulation in the name of safety. They are now inducing fear in the sort of person who still watched the news and thinks they are telling the truth – you know: halfwits who vote Democrat. Rely on it, by 2028, at the latest, it will be obligatory dogma among Democrats to call for banning of gas stoves.

Of course, it isn’t about the stove.

The bottom line is a ban on the use of natural gas – it has to go. Not because natural gas isn’t clean but because it is clean and vastly more efficient than solar or wind. It provides cheap and efficient energy which makes life better for humanity. And I’m not kidding: that is why it has to go. They want us to suffer. They need us to suffer. We have to pay for our sins of being rich. Of being American. And for us to suffer all cheap and efficient energy must go…we must depend on solar and wind. Which will leave us eventually with daily blackouts, but that is good…it will be us suffering.

Are they throwing Pudding Brain under the bus due to the classified docs? I doubt it. It could happen, but more than likely, in my view, they’re just clearing out old business. Getting it out into the open before the House GOP finds it so it can either be dismissed as old news or kept silent about due to “ongoing investigations”. Like Hillary, though, Biden violated the laws governing classified documents. And just like Hillary, nothing will be done about it…unless they really are giving Joe the heave ho.

The Russians are having some recent success in Ukraine and so it looks like everyone is going to start sending first rate military equipment to Ukraine…which is really not such a good idea as the time it would take to train the Ukrainians in their use and maintenance is probably insufficient before the predicted Russian Spring offensive. To the untrained eye, the T64/T72 tanks Ukraine use look a lot like a German Leopard tank…but they ain’t the same. You can’t just hand the keys off like a guy switching from a Volvo to a Chevy. And there isn’t a mechanic in Ukraine who knows how to so much as change the oil on a Leopard. So, unless training and maintenance personnel are being sent, all we might be sending to Ukraine is a collection of paper weights. And if we send the support personnel…that means that NATO soldiers will be in a combat zone, very specifically in places the Russians will want to hit very hard.

36 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster January 14, 2023 / 10:29 am

    Why is FBI Director Chris Wray going to the WEF Conference???

  2. Retired Spook January 14, 2023 / 4:22 pm

    I had mentioned the other day that the latest Current Thing is fear-mongering over gas stoves – now that its been a couple days, it is all clear.

    What amazes me is that, if you’re so inclined, you can find information supporting that gas stoves exacerbate asthma or that they don’t, or that there’s no conclusive evidence that they do.

    According to a 2009 study, Trusted Source, conducted by the Immunology and Allergy Clinics of North America, evidence is inconclusive on whether gas stoves play a role in causing or worsening asthma and asthma flare-ups in both children and adults. This is because gas stoves usually aren’t used for extended periods. Instead, they’re only turned on when you’re cooking.

    Given that you can find information supportive of whatever position you believe on pretty much any topic, it would seem to me that at least half the sources of information are lies. The question is, which side is lying? That question used to be not all that difficult to answer. As a society we used to believe trusted sources of news like network TV, until they got caught rigging pickup trucks to explode and editing 911 calls. We used to believe scientists until they got caught manipulating data and bragging (in hacked private emails) about subverting the peer review process. So the real question has become who do you believe, or rather, who don’t you believe. And I tend not to believe people and organizations who have been caught lying on multiple occasions. Sadly, that includes an awful lot of people and organizations.

    • Amazona January 14, 2023 / 10:26 pm

      I don’t think I have bought anything in the last few years that hasn’t had a CA warning about how dangerous it is. Bedding, fish hooks, martini glasses, shampoo—-there is absolutely nothing that is not, to the CA hysteric, just looking for a chance to kill you. I have, in the past six months or so, had to furnish a house, so I have had lots of opportunity to see warning labels. My new espresso machine will kill me, if the coffee beans don’t get me first. Down here so close to the equator when we are out on the water we wear what is called “rash guards” or long-sleeved shirts with hoods designed to protect us from the sun and salt water—but they are really nearly lethal. My towels are dangerous, but not nearly as much as my soap. As for my nonstick pans, fahgettaboutit—I may not last out the year.

      I drive on toxic tires, in a car so riddled with toxins it’s a wonder I haven’t dropped dead yet, fueled by the devil’s own elixer of refined fossil fuels. So I think I can handle a gas range.

      Actually, I think the only thing the Left doesn’t think is dangerous is an experimental drug that doesn’t do what it was designed to do but is swooned over by “experts” as its lab rat humans keep dropping like flies.

      • Retired Spook January 15, 2023 / 9:58 am

        Robert Malone has an excellent post this morning about exactly what we’re experiencing.

        “The basic idea behind this term [fifth-generation warfare] is that in the modern era, wars are not fought by armies or guerrillas, but in the minds of common citizens.”

        So, what is fifth generation warfare and why does it matter?

        5th-Gen warfare is an extension of Asymmetric and Insurgent Warfare strategies and tactics, whereby both conventional and unconventional military tactics and weapons are incorporated and deployed, including exploitation of political, religious and social causes. This new gradient of warfare uses the internet, social media and the 24 hour news cycle to change cognitive biases of individuals and/or organizations. It can be conducted by organized or unorganized (ergo decentralized) groups; it may be led by nation states, non-nation state actors and organizations, non-governmental organizations or even individuals. A key characteristic of 5th Gen warfare is that the nature of the attack is concealed. The goal is to disrupt and defeat opponents by creating new cognitive biases.

        The most effective 5th Gen warfare strategies employed by those lacking integrity are not purely based on pushing false narratives, mis or dis information. The most effective strategies mix truth with fiction, and act to increase confusion and disorder in the thoughts and minds of those being targeted, so that they are not sure what or whom to believe(emphasis – mine).

      • Mark Noonan January 15, 2023 / 2:33 pm

        I’m very confident that a lot of the bitter divisions of American politics are fostered by foreign agents, especially Chinese. I further think that Covid was a dress rehearsal of a new method of biological warfare. Very clever one, too: after all, you don’t really want to release a deadly pathogen against your enemy because that will eventually infect your own people. What you want is something that is just a bit more deadly than a normal pathogen and then use propaganda to get people terrified…and you use people you own (and anyone who does business in China is owned by the PRC – you can’t do business otherwise in China) to push the propaganda so that it doesn’t look foreign-sourced.

        Here’s the real kicker on it and probably the point of the exercise: it broke down our faith in institutions so if China decides to go to war with us, a combination of New Covid and infrastructure attacks will precede the main assault and we simply won’t know who to believe about why everything went to hell in a handbasket. This means when the bugle sounds, millions of Americans simply won’t answer the call because they won’t be sure its a real thing or just something to distract us.

      • Cluster January 15, 2023 / 12:55 pm

        The mind is a lethal weapon. And fear is the ammunition. Amazing how so many people are so easily manipulated.

  3. Jeremiah January 14, 2023 / 6:47 pm

    I’ve been breathing wood smoke all my life, and still know right from wrong. Mrs. Ocasio Cortez can’t tell her right foot from her left, but yet want to preach to everyone else how to heat their homes.

    Hmm, I don’t think so, lol

  4. Cluster January 15, 2023 / 11:53 am

    Residential building standards have strict requirements for ventilation when gas is involved, and those standards have been in place for decades. No one has ever been harmed. This is just another manufactured bullshit crisis.

    • Amazona January 15, 2023 / 12:20 pm

      But the whole idea is to keep people on edge, scared—-and looking to the government for rescue. They overplayed their hand with Covid, and now they have a populace with an ever-growing distrust of formerly respected agencies like the CDC and even the FDA. They are running out of “sky is falling” scenarios they want us to focus on, to keep us from looking at the real sky-is-falling scenarios like military growth in China coupled with a president controlled by China, mounting inflation, possible food shortages due to federal interference in ag necessities like fuel and fertilizer and so on.

      And while this is going on, a federal agency is planning to repeat the atrocity of gunning down cattle from planes and helicopters, leaving wounded cows to die in agony and orphaning baby calves to starve to death. (I guess now we know why the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service needed to buy those hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition—we still don’t know why the Social Security Administration needed to do the same.) They need another pandemic or other panic to divert attention from the inhumane and unneccesary antics of those agencies and their general mismanagement and veering from their charters.

      • Cluster January 15, 2023 / 12:23 pm

        The entire Federal bureaucracy apparatus needs to be overhauled with new people and new missions. They are ALL corrupt.

  5. Cluster January 15, 2023 / 12:17 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a GOP that actually gave a shit?

    Secretive liberal dark-money groups spent hundreds of millions of dollars to boost Democrats’ 2022 midterm ground game, pushing the limits of election law while helping to reduce an expected red Republican wave to little more than a ripple.

    And let’s not forget, Sam Bankman-Fried is still a free man. And the Biden’s are still not in prison.

    • Mark Noonan January 15, 2023 / 2:22 pm

      I’m sure you’ve seen the “He Gets Us” ads – looked into it: no real information about who is funding it. But I have noticed that the one thing they don’t talk about is how Jesus is God, which is the crucial aspect of the whole thing. And, of course, they keep pushing a message about Jesus the refugee…Jesus the man condemned…but nothing about Jesus the Savior. I suspect what we have here is an effort by Progressive moneybags to pull Christians away from Christ and towards “I’m ok, you’re ok” Progressive spirituality. It is a crucial battlefront because the more people who think the message of Jesus is just “be nice” the more Progressives will be able to infiltrate and destroy Christianity.

      We live in a world – and we’ve been in it for a long time – of very well-crafted propaganda to get people to drop Christianity. That is what it is really all about – even the fear-mongering works towards it. After all, Jesus said – repeatedly – be not afraid; the propaganda tells us to be terrified and to accept the guidance of those who can keep us “safe” from what we’re frightened of.

      • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 9:17 am

        I’m sure you’ve seen the “He Gets Us” ads

        Agree 100%. Those commercials are such a distortion of Faith it is mind numbing. I wonder what Jesus would think of the political leaders who encourage unrest, and those money changers who take advantage of it. That’s a commercial I would like to see.

  6. Cluster January 15, 2023 / 12:21 pm

    Let’s all remember it was just a few days ago, that Pfizer representative Forty was here citing CDC stats that all these sudden deaths are perfectly normal.

    Top British cardiologist Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a highly esteemed, award-winning NHS consultant cardiologist, stated that the deaths were likely linked to the experimental mRNA COVID vaccines.

    A recent report claimed 50,000 excess deaths were reported in 2022 compared to a normal year. The excess deaths in the UK last year was the worst in 50 years.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 9:20 am

      These aren’t just sudden deaths, these are excess deaths. Above and beyond anything normal.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 12:07 pm

      You might be thinking of all the Fentynal deaths … which are courtesy of China, the Mexican Cartels, and the Democrat Party.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 2:03 pm

      So a virus with over a 97% survival rate is responsible for thousands of excess deaths?? Again, weird.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 3:53 pm

      That’s an average flu season. Just FYI

  7. jdge1 January 15, 2023 / 5:03 pm

    Rich countries must spend $2 trillion per year for ‘climate justice’: UN report

    According to the report, the goal of limiting global average temperature rises to 1.5¬ Celsius, set forward in the pro-abortion Paris Climate Agreement, can be achieved only through “$1 trillion per year in external finance” before 2030, to be donated to “emerging markets and developing countries” by “developed countries.” Around $1.4 trillion is to be raised domestically by scaling back on fossil-fuel subsidies and implementing a “carbon tax,” the report suggested.

    Does anyone else see this as a blatant money grab while trying portray itself as being, “for the good of all” – “to save the planet”??

  8. jdge1 January 15, 2023 / 5:52 pm

    One reason to push everyone to use electricity as a primary source of energy for all their needs is, once dependent on the grid and electric autos & appliances, our enemies can use an electromagnetic bomb to destroy our infrastructure, reduce our capacity to cope and rebuild, thereby removing our ability to retaliate with anything substantial.

    Destroying the US is done from inside and outside using a multifaceted incremental approach. Degrade our physical abilities with biological warfare, degrade our way of life with immoral behavior and lifestyles, turn out youth especially males into docile zombies dumbing them down and encouraging gender fluidity & transitioning, then finally attack our infrastructure. There is no way they could win it in an outright physical war, at least not without destroying their own country in the process.

    Anyone who does not see us approaching the edge of WW III is ignorant or living in a cocoon. Anyone who believes this can be solved absent God, is a spiritual blind lost soul.

    • Amazona January 18, 2023 / 12:30 pm

      I think your analysis of the motives behind the push to become totally dependent on electricity is very insightful.

      Take the aspect of destruction of the infrastructure and society and set it aside for a minute. Just the aspect of consolidation of power, as seen in the consolidation of dependence, is enough to give the Left total control. And consolidation of power is what it’s all about.

  9. Cluster January 16, 2023 / 9:44 am

    MSNBC has just spent the last 20 minutes talking about George Santos. And now covering the assassination of MLK. I think all of their manufactured narratives are coming unwound LOL

  10. Cluster January 16, 2023 / 9:48 am

    Why is it that the American Leftist Movement is led largely by ugly neurotic white women and their emasculated men??? Weird.

  11. Cluster January 16, 2023 / 11:40 am

    It would be a good MLK day if we actually honored him and his message … but we don’t. Thanks to wokeness, white liberals and the Democrats exploitive agenda, we are once again decades behind

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 12:02 pm

      I have no reaction to anything you post, it’s just all mindless propaganda. I will say that you and Democrats are definitely the anti MLK party

      Rep. Shelia Jackson Lee, long in the running for being the vapidest member of Congress (oops, did I just commit a crime?), has introduced legislation that could make political criticism by white people against minorities a federal crime.

      So don’t be criticizing those people you deem inferior … ok?

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 12:05 pm

      I’m curious as to what the many All Black Colleges, and the All Black TV Network, and the All Black Congressional Caucus will have to say about structural racism today.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 1:42 pm

      A just society for all?? You mean like Wells Fargo now only offering mortgages to minorities? Like that? I’m thinking you should do something for an oppressed minority today.

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 2:19 pm

      Thank you Spook for doing Fielding’s home work. I do find it interesting too that Fielding is obviously upset over the US Government lying to minorities back in the day, but seemingly ok with the current lies from the US Government.

    • Retired Spook January 16, 2023 / 2:41 pm

      It took 5 seconds to search “Wells Fargo mortgages minorities,” which tells you all you need to know about Fielding’s mental acuity.

      • Mark Noonan January 16, 2023 / 3:12 pm

        The economic news is the withdrawal from mortgages by one of our biggest banks…but absurdity of modern America is “we’ll still loan if you’re black” as if that sort of racial exclusivity didn’t violate a score of federal, State and local laws.

    • Mark Noonan January 16, 2023 / 3:11 pm

      So, who is it?

    • Cluster January 16, 2023 / 6:10 pm

      Fielding, that’s not even the point. The reason why I mentioned Wells was to show that your side is engaging in actual structural racism to bring about their delusional idea of a just society. Isn’t this exactly what MLK was mad about? Keep in mind, there is only so much capital, and if there focus is race based, it will limit the amount of mortgages they can offer to other qualified buyers.

      • Amazona January 17, 2023 / 1:22 pm

        Doesn’t this remind you of what led to the housing meltdown back at the end of George W’s lat term?

        Back then it was a carefully calculated move by the Left to have unqualified black applicants apply for and be turned down for home mortgages. Then the lending institutions were sued under federal law for “race discrimination” meaning that these institutions were basically frozen in time until the suits were resolved. They could keep doing business but couldn’t expand or engage in other acts to build the businesses.

        So they came up with a way to let unqualified buyer get mortgages. Of course, these were the variable rate mortgages, getting people into houses with little or nothing down, often for people who didn’t even have jobs, just to try to do an end run around the race baiters. Basically the cornered lenders said “You want unqualified people to get mortgages? Well, here they are. Good luck with them.”

        And, as we remember, in a few years the interest rates went up, as they were always guaranteed to do and as clearly explained in the closing documents. And people couldn’t afford the higher rates, defaulted on their loans, flooded the market with repossessed houses destroying not just the building industry but many lenders, and creating the housing market meltdown and subsequent recession. (Which was, of course, blamed on Bush.)

        Now what’s that adage about the definition of insanity? Something about doing the same thing and expecting different results?

  12. Cluster January 16, 2023 / 1:52 pm

    FBI Director Chris Wray is a traitor.

  13. Amazona January 17, 2023 / 9:00 pm

    if you have a sealed room and an open gas valve, the air will get toxic. Who knew?

    Well, Sylvia Plath knew, as did many suicidal people before her. It took from 1963 to now for the fifty-pound brains running our government agencies to learn this?

    Or…..just spit-balling here, you understand….the Left has run out of sky-is-falling scare tactics

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