The execution of Nidal Hasan will be livestreamed and people right across the political spectrum are horrified. This is because people right across the political spectrum have, ultimately, no idea what they are doing. We have been living about a century now in a world of make-believe. We’ve pulled the wool over our own eyes. Conned ourselves out of our agency. Abdicated all authority over our own lives. We want to live a coddled existence. We don’t want to know about distasteful things. Except about sex, I guess – give us a good sex story and we’re all ears (and eyes). But about anything else it isn’t so much we don’t want to know but that we want to pretend we don’t know. And yet with all this, we still insist we are citizens and get a say in what happens.
There is no chance Trump will stay the sentence and even if the Courts decide to intervene late, it won’t work – we have a properly rendered sentence according to law and Hasan is guilty. In this, it doesn’t matter if the death penalty is a right or wrong thing to do…the laws in effect now provide for it and the thing will happen. The man will be dead. The horror expressed about livestreaming it isn’t about the enormous thing of taking a man’s life…it is about not wanting to see it taken. So that we can pretend it didn’t really happen. That we played no role in it. Guess what? If you’ve ever voted, you played a role in it. You may as well be on the firing squad. That is the thing about a Republic or a Democracy – all of the citizens are collectively responsible for what the government does. Don’t like this? Then I suggest you get yourself a king – let the king be responsible. You can be the slave and then you’ll have nothing to do with it.
Honestly, not only should his execution be televised, it should be compulsory viewing for everyone who wants a vote.
For us to be citizens, we must take responsibility. We must see what is going on and render judgement upon it, and thus upon ourselves. What do you want? Choose it. Take the consequences or benefits of that choice. Don’t try to pretend you didn’t play a role – even if you’re on the losing side of a political decision, you still participated in it. You decided. You pulled the trigger. You are free to abdicate this authority at any time – renounce your citizenship. Leave the country. Flee far away – go some place where others decide for you. If that’s what you want, fine – but don’t propose to participate along with me in governance if you wish to be free from the consequences of that participation.
As I’ve been saying for a while now, it is time for us to rejoin the real world. The world where actions have consequences. Where suffering is real. Where choices have to be made. Where men and women brace themselves up and do what needs to be done. The sooner we rejoin the real world the sooner our nation and civilization are saved – because that wool over our eyes has allowed an insidious sect of anti-humans to worm their way into the mechanics of our government. While we averted our eyes and pretended we had nothing to do with it, they are busily setting up a system where people can be killed on a whim. Where property doesn’t exist. Where the family is evil. Where God doesn’t exist. You might not like having to decide if a man lives or dies…but if you don’t make that decision, then others will for you…and they might decide it is time for you to die. Slaves, after all, don’t get a say. Citizens do.
Do you want to be a Citizen?
we have a properly rendered sentence according to law and Hasan is guilty.
In addition to many eyewitnesses, and overwhelming physical evidence, he also confessed during his court martial in 2013.
Countries that perform public executions: Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and North Korea.
There’s the whole Leftist “form over substance”…a completely meaningless talking point. But, hey, don’t feel too bad: I’ve even seen some RINOs making it.
If we write a parking ticket to the innocent, that is unjust.
If we toss the guilty feet first into a wood chipper, that is just.
Just and unjust. That is the key. The only thing that matters here. It is irrelevant how Iran kills innocent people – it is that they kill innocent people (or people who haven’t committed a crime a civilized State recognizes as such). You want to call for the smelling salts as if our shooting a guilty man on TV is the bad thing. It isn’t.
Whether or not there should be a death penalty is a matter for debate and prudential judgement – that we must punish murderers isn’t up for debate. Personally, I’d give Hasan 500 lashes over a few week period and then have him live out his days in a wooden barracks on a diet of beans, bread and water…the only reason he wouldn’t be breaking rocks is because he’s in a wheelchair. But the lashes I’d have done in public. If he has any friends or family in the USA, I’d compel them to watch. I’d have the whole thing televised…we punish to deter and to instruct. That is, to stop people from doing it and to tell them why they shouldn’t.
All those “teens” rioting and looting – take them to a pillar in the middle of town and give them twenty lashes each. Sure, especially the younger ones would be crying and begging for mercy. Their family and friends would be horrified. And, yes, the stripes of flesh being torn on their backs would be quite gruesome to see. But it would stop the rioting and looting, and save people from graduating to even worse crimes. Unless they’re truly incorrigible…but at least in that case if they won’t, themselves, be deterred or instructed, it would do it for a lot of other people.
The civilized behavior you take for granted is learned, Cap. It was collectively learned by us over a thousand years of brandings, lashings, beheadings, breaking at the wheel…and you have to do it especially for “smaller” crimes…because the kid who steals a car at 17 is the Clyde Barrow a few years later. By the time a person is over 12 and committing crimes, then there has either been an entire failure of parenting or we’ve just got a bad person on the rise…in either case, you can’t talk such people out of it. Oh, to be sure, some of them do wise up…but we also know the recidivism rate is 67% across cultures. Two in three who are convicted will be convicted again. Enormous punishment is to lower the number of people who commit that first crime.
It worked. It took a people – Europeans – from horrific savagery to being astonishingly honest and law abiding. You know – to a society which could sell machine guns by mail and nobody ever went and shot up a school.
You on the Left got the vapors about imposing justice and now look what you did – on purpose.
First, remember that Casper is a fluttery kind of guy anyway. Add that to his slavish devotion to any narrative fed to him by the Left and you get his whimpery little “outrage” and his scolding—because that is what he is, a scold.
I have friend who grew up in South Africa who has talked about his school, and how the discipline involved caning. He says he thinks it was valuable as part of the teaching and his glad he experienced it. Did he like being whacked with a cane? No, he certainly did not. Did he learn from it? He says he did.
Cluster made an invaluable point—that the same movement directing Casper’s little performative lip quivering is also loudly and proudly celebrating the dismemberment of children if they are inconvenient, or of a certain age. Not just tolerating, but CELEBRATING. Dismemberment and selling of their body parts. A Mayan priest holding up a bloody beating heart has nothing on the ghouls of Casper’s chosen tribe, a tribe that glorifies every single thing civilization has rejected in its development.
And what does Casper find so concerning about a public execution vs one held behind closed doors? What has him all fretful about showing people the consequences of committing a heinous crime instead of imposing that consequence in private and then posting an announcement about it?
In your example of lashes for offenders—-it wouldn’t even be necessary to go as far as the old lashings that did rip strips of flesh off the backs of offenders. My African friend whose school imposed caning for offenses never got beaten bloody.
The pain is only part of the lesson. A lot of it is the shame of being beaten in public. It’s really about being reduced to helplessness and forced to endure some pain, in public. Remember, it is the Left that has worked so hard to convince people that “shame” must be eradicated, that to “shame” people is unforgivable. But shame is an important part of teaching and learning and moral development. The stocks in colonial towns did not maim or cripple, but they did expose the miscreant to the scorn of his fellow citizens, and made him feel shame. A few lashes with a cane on the back of a teenager in front of his friends and family as he starts to yell and weep is all that would be necessary. But it would have to be fairly and equally administered.
Something else: Most people have never seen death, and to young people these days (a category approaching middle age, I think) it is just an abstract concept, too often part of a glorified game mentality where imposing “death” on an opponent merely results in celebratory points being awarded and maybe an artistic rendition of bloody body parts. But death used to be part of life—people killed animals for food and watched their lives leave their bodies. They sat with the ill or injured till they died, and witnessed that transition from life to death. They UNDERSTOOD death in its physical manifestation. It meant something.
But today, a news article saying “So-and-so was put to death for his crimes” is pretty much meaningless. Meh. Whatever. So I support an effort to make people understand not only that there are serious consequences for serious crimes but what those consequences really look like. Yes, it would be shocking to watch as a living human being suddenly becomes merely an inert mass of meat and blood—–but it might sink in that this is really the point here, that this is what he reduced other living human beings to, that he destroyed their lives as his was just destroyed. Maybe his dead body will bring home the reality of the fact that he made the choice to reduce other human beings to the same state.
Referring to allowing the public to witness the execution of Hasan, Hillary Clinton chimed in:
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
A barbaric idea, beneath our dignity as a country.
She went on to say that to preserve its dignity a country should do as she did, and present its executions as suicides.
Countries that don’t have mass shootings: Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and North Korea.
I have no problem with the verdict. He is guilty. And while I am personally against the death penalty, I can accept it in this case. But public execution is outside of civilized behavior. We are not rejoining the real world, we are leaving it.
I think you’ve got it backwards; Hasan left the civilized world when he murdered 13 people in cold blood. Mark laid out an excellent argument for public executions and public punishment. The impact is likely to be much greater on people who haven’t yet committed that first crime than simply hearing or reading about it after the fact. And, of course, still being a free country, you have the choice not to watch.
Casper lectures on “the real world”
Next: Joy Behar’s series on the need for objective journalism and a long-awaited dissertation by Rosie O’Donnell on the value of courtesy, with examples.
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“We are not rejoining the real world, we are leaving it.”
No, we are finally exposing a lot of dainty little Twinkies to the real world, which is nothing like their airy-fairy constructs of Magical Thinking and infinitely redefinable reality. They won’t like it, they will squeal, they will swoon, above all they will scold because that is what they do. They will prance around on their imagined Higher Moral Ground, as Casper is trying to do, holding themselves up as examples of the purity to which we should all aspire with total and utter disregard for the fact that in the “real world” they exemplify degeneration, degradation, rejection of every moral code developed since the Dark Ages, ritualized dishonesty, glorified ignorance and hate-driven intolerance.
So Casper is worried about “civilized behavior”. The man and/or party who supports late term abortion, men parading around as women, naked “pride” parades, men flashing their enhanced tits on the White House lawn, Senate aids filming gay porn in the Senate chambers, threatening Supreme Court Justices, and assassinating a Christian conservative leader …. Is now worried about “civilized behavior”. And to compare this execution with those executions conducted by cockroaches on innocent people is beyond the pale.
Casper, GO FUCK YOURSELF
The ultimate penalty should be the ultimate deterrent. In the late ‘70’s after the death penalty was reinstated, Utah executed a heinous killer in Gary Gilmore. And our culture back then, knew right from wrong and celebrated it …
Before his execution, the December 11, 1976, episode of NBC‘s Saturday Night Live (Season 2, Episode 10) featured guest host Candice Bergen and the cast singing a Christmas-themed medley entitled “Let’s Kill Gary Gilmore for Christmas.” Dressed in winter attire and surrounded by fake snow, the performers sang the medley of familiar Christmas carols with altered lyrics. Lyrics set to “Winter Wonderland” included this line: “In the meadow we can build a snowman / One with Gary Gilmore packed inside / We’ll ask him, ‘Are you dead yet?’ He’ll say, ‘No, man’ / But we’ll wait out the frostbite till he dies.”[20][21] A later episode of Saturday Night Live, on October 20, 1979, featured guest host Eric Idle performing impersonations while strapped to a stretcher, assisted by orderlies. With the stretcher standing on end, Idle covered his eyes with a black blindfold and announced it as an impersonation of Gary Gilmore.
And Casper, if you’re so worried about “civilized behavior”, think Of Nidal Hasan as a Christian conservative advocate speaking on a college campus. That will make you feel better.
The Christian conservative advocate wis killed by a white male from a Christian conservative family. It was horrific to watch him die.
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And what did you learn from watching him die? Did you watch a kind and loving husband, father, patriot and Christian be mowed down because of his beliefs and his Constitutionally guaranteed expression of those beliefs and decide that what mattered was not this attack on American principles or even the toxic ideology of his killer or the societal mental disease that groomed him to hate and try to destroy the murdered man and what defined him, but what the murderer’s parents were like?
Because, in another rather disturbing brain fart from you that, coming from someone even remotely pleasant would prompt me to be embarrassed for him, this seems to be what you took away from this assassination. There seems to be nothing too trivial, too superficial, too vapid, too meaningless, to impress you and guide your belief system.
Casper—remember the Rule of Holes. You don’t need to keep digging.
For those Democrats ashamed of our “civilized behavior”, Leftists in Portland right now are conducting a large nude protest over ICE and laying down on public streets. So civilized
https://x.com/themagafolks/status/2108682197184242143?s=61
Hey, Leftists need any excuse possible to get all nekkid and kinky in public–especially as they tend to be so individually distasteful and creepy and probably (going by appearance) odiferous that they have few if any chances of getting nekkid in private with anyone. Ever.
Nidal Hasan is a murderer. He is also confined to a wheel chair. Personally I would prefer to stick him in Canon City where he would be stuck in a wheel chair in a cell for the rest of his life. It would be pretty miserable life. Instead, he will be rolled out in his wheel chair an executed on TV and streaming services making him a matyr. His death will inspire others while making our country a bigger mockery than it already is.
No one has more contempt for the United States than American Liberals, and there is no greater abscess of mockery of this country than the Democrat Party, which exhibits its disdain and lack of respect in every way possible. Casper, most of us don’t give a rat’s ass what “the world” thinks of us. Even nations that don’t “like” us are starting to respect us—-again—and while someone so vapid that being liked is the ultimate aspiration might be bothered by people we don’t like or respect us, “mocking” us, I for one in the Sophie Cunningham camp of expressing how bothered I am about this alleged “mockery”.
Successful terrorist attacks lead to more terrorist attacks. When someone straps on a bomb to kill innocent women and children he is seen as a martyr, but Casper gasps in horror at his belief that watching a coward treated like a coward and denied a dignified death will inspire others to aspire to the same fate. He will be rolled out as a weak and defeated man dispatched like a rabid dog and Casper is all fluttery and fretful that some Muslim radical is going to think “That’s how I want to go out” and emulate him.
And Casper also advocates for lifelong torture–that is, imposing a “pretty miserable life”—on Hasan.
Planet Casper is a weird and unpleasant place. Fortunately it is sparsely populated, evidently only by mincing acolytes of the rabid Left who subsist on slop tossed into their feeding troughs.
I’m trying to imagine being “mocked” by inferior countries, and for some reason this does not distress me the way it seems to affect Casper.
How would that go? Some effete sneering Eurotrash snot explaining all the things they “mock” as fellow Europeans, after experiencing the real America and not the fantasy created by anti-American propagandists busy “mocking” us, rave about how wonderful they have found America, and Americans, to be?
Hint to Casper: Not everyone is sucked in by the propaganda of the Left, in spite of your slavish acceptance of it. Most people are smarter than that.
There were a lot of Europeans who came here for The World Cup who thought American was pretty cool. “I actually got ice in my water at the restaurant for no charge!” “My hotel room was AIR CONDITIONED!!” I discovered Ranch Dressing.” Free refills on soft drinks, etc.
The really important reactions were about the open and friendly attitude of so many Americans, about the freedoms and choices we have, about the general sense of optimism in the country, about the general better quality of life here. I just saw a video by a man who, with his wife, is trying to find a way to move here. When they go back to the UK they find it depressing, restrictive and downright unpleasant. Something as simple as a modest three bedroom tract house would be a luxury in most of Europe and I once had a German woman scold me quite severely because my husband and I lived alone in a modest three bedroom bungalow when there was room for at least one more family, which I took to be a description of life in Germany for the middle class at least.
We had British interns a couple of years and they were all astounded at the sheer number of CHOICES Americans take for granted. From brands of ice cream to kinds of produce to living conditions to travel to shopping, everything here was on such a larger scale than they were used to—and they were upper middle class Brits who had traveled a lot in Europe.
My hotel rooms in Europe the last time I was there, a few years ago, were technically air conditioned—but only after a calendar date told hotel management to switch from heat to air conditioning, irrespective of the temperature outside.
The overall impression I got from visiting Europeans was their appreciation of the openness and freedom they felt in the United States, no matter where they went and in every context. The other impression I got was their awareness that they had been flat-out lied to, for years.
Good catch by Amazona but I’ll pile on … Casper, blaming the “Christian family” for Charlie’s execution is again, beyond the pale. Do Democrats ever take responsibility for ANYTHING???? You have yet to explain why CA is the most expensive and most dysfunctional State in the Union, governed entirely by Democrats, and it’s because you can’t. There is just no way to place blame anywhere else, and if you could, you would.
Speaking of blame, remember Democrats, Kathy Hochul, and Letitia James rushing to the lectern to blame toxic masculinity on yet another attack on women? Social media Democrats already had the toxic white male narrative spun up, but then the reality changed. Not only was the victim complicit, we are learning now that the liberal arts college of Cornell fostered a culture of debauchery.
Cornell University’s shocking sex pamphlets handed out to students encouraging orgies and BDSM exposed
Nearly every cultural problem we face in this country was spun up by a Democrat.
“blaming the “Christian family” for Charlie’s execution is again, beyond the pale.”
Not blaming the family,, just pointing out where the guy came from, especially since you want to blame Charlie’s death on Democrats. I should also point out that
Thomas Crooks was a Republican. Funny how you guys never take responsibility for anything.
Well if he’s from a Christian family, he must be Christian right? So all of his actions reflect poorly on the people you hope it reflects poorly on. The fact that he wasn’t active in Faith, and that he was exploring sin via the cultural trans fad championed and celebrated by the Democrat Left has nothing to do with it, right? All the HATE that sinful community spread about Charlie didn’t have an impact????
You are truly a vile human being.
So correctly pointing out a person’s background makes me a vile human being. Wow! Are you saying that spending your entire life in a conservative community surrounded by other conservatives has no effect on you? You want to blame Kirk’s death on Democrats even though there weren’t any directly involved in
Tyler James Robinson was not a leftest, Democrat, Muslim, Socialist, Communist or any of the other groups you want to blame his death on.
Actually, no one knows what makes you a vile human being, and I don’t think anyone really cares either. It’s hard to figure out what has the Charlie Kirk murderer getting your panties into a wad, but then your ranting never makes sense anyway.
I think a lot of blame for the assassination has been directed at the growing movement to generate as much hate and anger as possible, and the promotion of the idea that assassination of people with conflicting political views is OK. It’s hardly a stretch to connect the dots between that belief system and the assassination of someone to see that this may have been prompted by a conviction on the part of the murderer that his victim is someone with a conflicting political view. The elimination of people with conflicting political views, whether conservatives or Jews, is a philosophy espoused by many Democrats, so speculation of such a link is logical. There a general unaffiliated element to it as well. (The FBI has also recently recognized a new category of attacks by so-called nihilistic violent extremists, those who seek chaos more than any clear ideological end.)
“Robinson’s mother explained that, over the past year, the suspect had become “more political,” according to charging documents. His political stance started to lean to the left — in stark contrast to his parents — and he became more pro-gay and trans-oriented, the document added.” I notice you carefully avoided the trans issue, though it has always appeared to play a significant role in Robinson’s mental and emotional instability.
Keep on defending Robinson, or whatever it is you are doing, but I think most of us think his friends, his writings and above all his parents have a much better insight into what drove him than some simpering intellectual lightweight whose synapses are so tangled they never seem to produce a coherent thought, illustrated among other examples by your conviction that the religion of Robinson’s parents is in any way relevant to anything, and that an officially identified “Democrat” would have to be “directly involved in” the murder.
You never do get the point do you? Thick and stupid. You are a member of a very violent, anti American, and antisemitic political movement that honestly mirrors many of the leftist revolutions throughout history including 1930’s Germany and you’ll never understand that because you believe “all Democrats want is free healthcare for everyone” or some other pollyanish ideal that makes you feel good about yourself. Its selfish and demonic.
I’m starting to think that Dems have moved beyond bleating about what they “really want” to just wallowing around in the muck and mire of what they hate. Which is the Invented Other created and fed to them by the Left.
FBI says Crooks’ political beliefs and motives for attempting to assassinate Trump are unclear. His parents are registered Democrat and Libertarian, public records show.
He apparently once registered as a Republican but he also donated to Act Blue. In other words, there is no indication that he had an actual coherent POLITICAL ideology, but then so few on the Left do, being totally ignorant of the actual political philosophy of the movement they support and enable.
Casper is really demanding that we acknowledge his total dependence on the superficiality of Identity Politics. And I think that has been made abundantly clear. One would think that someone like Casper, so committed to the fake politics of personality, would understand that someone else could be equally superficial and undertake something as serious as an attempt to kill a presidential candidate without formal allegiance to a party. Because Trump was not yet (or again) a sitting president the most obvious reason to kill him would have been to prevent his election. That leads to the even more obvious conclusion that because the timing of the effort meant that a different Republican candidate could not be chosen to replace him, the goal was to shift the election to the Democrat candidate—to whom he had already made a donation.
I know, I know, a linear thought process going from one fact to another is so alien to what passes for thinking on Planet Casper, where bubbling little brain farts are treated like actual ideas, this is probably way too complicated a sequence for him to follow. But others have had no trouble making the connection between, shall we say, an anti-Republican bias even without an official formal commitment to the opposing party, that we had no difficulty in seeing Crooks as, at the very least, someone who wanted a Democrat president.
Poor Casper, stuck with having to defend the indefensible because as impossible as that is, it is still easier than actually thinking and evaluating facts and setting aside those long-held deeply embedded emotionally based perceptions that have been so important to him for so long.
BTW, I’ve never watched the video of Charlie Kirk bring killed. I get no joy over seeing a person’s death.
Care to answer the California question???
Or are you too fucking stupid?
What a typically Casper snide snotty comment—as if those of us who were watching the Charlie Kirk event and saw his murder found “joy” in it. What a horrible garbage person you are, to have such an ugly distorted view.
The comment wasn’t meant to be snide or snotty. I don’t watch videos of people dying if I can avoid them.
It looks like you don’t even have to try to be snide or snotty–they seem to be default elements of the person you have decided to be
Everyone just wants free healthcare right? Be careful what you wish for ….
Young woman, 21, with her whole life ahead of her went into hospital to treat a broken ankle… just hours later her parents were told she was dead
Medical malpractice right here, and this will occur much more often when Doctors and Nurses are working for much less pay? No one has the “right” to be taken care of by another individual, unless of course you’re speaking of indentured servitude which Democrats oppose, so who do Democrats think will administer their free healthcare?? Highly skilled doctors? Um, NO. They’ll get a PA with minimal training. When I go into the hospital, I hope to have treatment from highly trained and highly moral people. And speaking of morals, Canada’s healthcare is working so well, they’re now incorporating assisted suicide as legitimate treatment. Don’t break your ankle LOL
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16200939/hospital-parents-lawsuit-ankle-broken.html
“The problem wasn’t “free healthcare”. It was a for profit hospital trying to soak it’s patients as much as possible.
When brought to the hospital, neither Dale nor her parents knew that she was headed for an institution struggling with adequate patient care capacities allegedly caused by the hospital’s former private equity owner.”
“Waterbury Hospital was owned by California-based Prospect Medical Holdings, which filed for bankruptcy three months before Dale passed away.”
So now you’re blaming the “for profit” corporations instead of the direct caregivers?? Is there no end to your idiocy? But you did inadvertently make a good case against universal healthcare where resources will be scarce and decisions like this will have to be made. Remember when Obama said, “maybe your grandmother just needs to take a pill instead of having hip surgery”. I do.
Casper, there is zero need for you to post anymore. We all know what your response will be to every issue. Your entire worldview is that of oppressor vs oppressed and it’s comical.
I think there might be a Google For Lefty Lemmings where the Caspers can go to find a retort for every observation made of the defects of his beloved movement.
It carefully inserts weasel words (“allegedly”) for the weasels to copy and paste, knowing they either won’t understand the evasions or just won’t care.
You said, of the Kirk murder, “It was horrific to watch him die.” Then, later in the same thread, you said “I’ve never watched the video of Charlie Kirk bring killed”
You can’t even keep a story straight for a day, even with your written comments to refer to. Then on top of this you try to add a virtue signal on top of the second lie.
I know a number of people who were traumatized by the shooting. That is why I said it was horrific to watch him die. I didn’t watch his death myself. I’ve seen enough death in my life that I don’t feel the need to see more.
Yeah, the mean streets of Casper Wyoming and the casual brutality in the halls of Dean Morgan definitely exposed you to violent death. (Few things are funnier that watching people like Casper try to posture as tough guys.
(“My granny was hell on wheels with a flyswatter. The memory of the carnage haunts me to this day.”)