Nader: Obama Worse Than Bush

Breitbart has the video of Nader discussing Obama.  Nader does have some major blind spots – first off in saying that Obama is failing because he knows the law and yet he violates it.  This, to me, is a failure on the part of Nader to understand that people like Obama don’t even know what a law is.  But Nader is also pretty upset with Obama on the way Obama has been running the war – essentially calling Obama a worse war criminal than Bush.

First off, I’d like to say that I deprecate the whole concept of “war crime”.  There are, of course, laws of war – things which have been held to be right and proper for ages.  Such things as not going on a rampage of rape, looting and murder.  Things like accepting an honorable surrender and treating the captive decently.  But these are things for honorable soldiers with proper morality – when dealing with people who have deliberately set themselves outside of all morality, then it becomes a bit different.  The honorable soldier will still refrain from senseless brutality, but he isn’t bound to treat an inhuman adversary as if he were humane.  The biggest example of war crimes, of course, were in Nazi Germany – but it was absurd of us to put the captured Nazis on trial as if judging them by our standards in a court would some how make right what was done.  How can one exact justice against someone who organized the mass murder of millions?  Who deliberately broke the peace simply to grab wealth from others?  You can’t – once the millionth person was done to death in a Nazi death camp then no amount of judicial sentence could ever balance the scales of justice.  We should, instead of bothering with all that (and especially without putting on the bench Soviet judges which represented a regime just as hideously anti-human as the Nazi regime on trial), just taken out whichever Nazis we felt were most responsible and shot them one, fine morning.  It wouldn’t have been a matter of justice – it couldn’t be a matter of justice; it was a matter of disposing of people who had outlawed themselves in the fullest sense of the word (but Mark, you’re a Christian – what about mercy?  Indeed, and people with a sense of honor would have tried to discern whom among the captive Nazis should get that mercy…and be let go; by trying to be “legal” about it we ended up hanging someone as trivial as Ribbentrop while letting off someone as crucial to Nazi power and cruelty as Alfried Krupp).

It is, then, impossible for us to commit a war crime against the Islamists we fight against – these are people who will murder a Christian for nothing (and rape his daughter and burn his church, in to the bargain).  These are people who will strap a bomb on a kid and send him off to commit mass murder in a shopping mall.  These are people who have outlawed themselves from human society.  The only reason to take them prisoner, at all, is to obtain information from them.  Outside of that, how is justice served if we were to, say, give a man a 20 year sentence because he organized a campaign of suicide bombings in Afghanistan?  So, when Nader says we are committing war crimes when we drone-attack a jihadist, I disagree with the notion – even when, at times, such attacks end up killing the innocent.  It isn’t our fault that our enemies deliberately hide among non-combatants for the sole purpose of ensuring that innocent people are killed so they can score propaganda points against us.  We still have to fight these people – though a bit of wisdom at this point would lead us to withdraw completely or steel ourselves to going after the ultimate sources of the trouble:  the money-bags in the oil States and the government of Iran.  Be that as it may, we are at this point fighting them, and it not only isn’t a crime to do so, it is impossible for it to ever be a crime.

Nader reflects a certain, hard-left disappointment with Obama – a feeling, correct in a lot of ways, that Obama has not been what he promised to be.  Schooled his whole life to believe that the left is in favor of peace, prosperity and freedom, someone like Nader just doesn’t know what to do with an Obama who doesn’t make peace, doesn’t create prosperity and is clearly uninterested in individual freedom for average folks.  Part of this comes from a failure to understand that the left has an inherent problem in getting to any of these desired results.  Nader, honest as he is, simply does not understand that a large government setting out to, for instance, create prosperity is in an impossible situation:  the thing can’t be done.  Even the most benevolent government, grown large, can only get in the way.  But, still, you can see his point:  clearly Obama is not carrying out the programs and policies which leftists believe will bring peace, prosperity and freedom.

It still astounds me that Obama managed to win a second term:  the only people actually benefiting from Obama policies are those who are getting a rake-off via government contracts and grants.  For 90% of Americans, Obama’s Administration has been a net loss.  I can see why dyed-in-the-wool Democrats voted for Obama, but they only make up about 35% of the electorate (at best) and Obama got over 50% of the vote…which means a very large number of people who aren’t just mindlessly Democrat and/or personally profiting off of Obama voted to re-elect this man who has not a single policy success to his name.  The fact that Nader – and some other hard left people – are taking Obama to task just makes it more remarkable that we’ve got Obama for four more years.

Nader is right about this:  Obama is far worse than Bush.  Far worse than anyone we’ve ever had in the White House.  I’d welcome back a combination Carter and Nixon and figure we’re coming out ahead of the game, right about now.  The combination of dishonesty, insensitivity, lack of patriotism, old-school Chicago graft and a general sense that Obama is happy to see us decline at times makes me sick at heart for our country.  I can only imagine how much worse it must be for a true blue leftist:  here was a man (and a black man!) who had dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s of true-blue leftism and yet he manages to get elected…and then he goes about messing up so badly that when he is replaced, the whole concept of leftism will be in disgrace for a generation.  Just as after Carter left office no one would call themselves a “liberal” for more than a decade, so it will be after Obama leaves…people will be ashamed to be thought of as being in any way like Obama.  And for someone like Nader, that is tragic because his whole life has been a sincere (if muddleheaded) quest for a leftist settlement in the United States.

It is to be hoped that there will be an awakening from this – as I hope my fellow conservatives will awaken to the fact that Big Corporation is a bane, so I hope that honest leftists like Nader will awaken to the fact that Big Government is also a bane…and a worse bane than Big Corporation.  You can, if you want, be a leftist and be against government – the only fundamental change is to understand that whatever social changes you want will have to be done via education and at the local level, not by the heavy club of government because such clubs are always eventually wielded by someone like Obama.

 

 

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92 thoughts on “Nader: Obama Worse Than Bush

  1. 01canadianobserver December 3, 2012 / 6:54 am

    “Nader reflects a certain, hard-left disappointment with Obama – a feeling, correct in a lot of ways, that Obama has not been what he promised to be”…Mark

    ————————————————————————————————-
    Yes, I could see where that would disappoint Nader and the hard left, Mark, but shouldn’t it put a spring in your step to know that President Obama has not implemented those dreaded Commie policies that y’all were obsessing about? He’s starting his second term and here you are still able to kiss your guns goodnight, sprout whatever incendiary nonsense you like in a public forum and worship the God of your choice. Of course, that’s not to say he will do a complete turnaround, declare martial law and anoint himself Supreme Leader after he is sworn in January.

    • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 3, 2012 / 11:37 am

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      • dbschmidt December 3, 2012 / 11:20 pm

        Candian or TTSSYF,

        No problem with Obama throwing “Executive Privilege” out or over bounds with Eric Holder and Fast & Furious?” “Executive Privilege” only extends to the President and his doings–so either Obama is guilty of, or he is usurping power (Constitutional) that doesn’t belong to him.

        Try to answer and I will be glad to present another example every day you manage to even come within the ballpark. Just to help–either Obama holds direct responsibility for 300+ dead Mexican citizens in addition to 2 US Federal officers or he is usurping powers not authorized like a “tin-horn dictator” (from your posting)

      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 7:45 am

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      • Cluster December 4, 2012 / 8:32 am

        I couldn’t agree with you more CO, and those efforts are on going. Trust me, I will do everything in my power to see that this asswipe of a president is ejected from office ASAP.

      • M. Noonan December 4, 2012 / 10:53 am

        CO,

        There are only three checks upon a President in practical terms:

        1. He can only spend money if Congress appropriates it.

        2. He can be impeached.

        3. His term can end.

        The first, of course, is the power of the purse – but if a President decided to go ahead and spend money then the only thing Congress could do about it is impeachment – which takes a majority vote in the House and then a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict. Given that there are 55 Democrats in the Senate, we would have to have 22 of them (presuming all GOPers are united – not at all a sure thing) in order to remove the President. That is an extremely high bar and one cannot imagine a set of circumstances there 22 Democrats in the Senate would vote to convict. So, we’re really left with waiting for his term to end – after that, if we’ve got any brass, we can thoroughly investigate the Obama Administration and if did that probably a very large number would be going to jail…but not likely the President as if they have an sense, at all, they’ve kept Obama one step away from the Chicago sewage which flows so freely through DC these days.

        Your ignorance here is not actually surprising – most Americans don’t realize that the Presidency is – and was intended to be – an elective monarchy. Some foreigners have grasped it in the past – Churchill, for instance, writing in the time of Russian Czars and German Kaisers that the President had more actual power than the world’s despots (it was only later, with the rise of Lenin and Hitler, that we started to get leaders with more powers than a US President).

        Most of the time our Presidents have either been men of honor or men of such indolence that the amazing power of the Presidency was not a threat…but with someone of the autocratic mindset of Obama, things are bad and about to get worse…especially if we go off the fiscal cliff and Congress can’t come to an agreement on the debt ceiling…then we’ll see Obama really taking dictatorial actions and essentially defying the Congress to impeach him.

      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 11:06 am

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 11:48 am

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      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 12:26 pm

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 1:01 pm

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      • dbschmidt December 4, 2012 / 1:24 pm

        Today’s transgression(s);

        Obama violated the Constitution by firing the GM CEO.Violated bankruptcy laws by forcing GM bondholders to accept millions of dollars in losses of money that they were legally entitled to and violated bankruptcy laws by awarding the UAW with a share of GM and Chrysler during their bankruptcy proceedings.

      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 1:41 pm

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      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 1:54 pm

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      • tiredoflibbs December 4, 2012 / 6:14 pm

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      • 01canadianobserver December 4, 2012 / 7:48 pm

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      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 8:47 pm

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    • M. Noonan December 3, 2012 / 9:42 pm

      CO,

      You missed it, entirely, I’m afraid – Nader is of the left and is disappointed in Obama but this disappointment isn’t an aberration – it is built in to leftism as long as it trusts in government. No one has been more diligent than Nader in ensuring an ever more powerful, ever larger government…and now that he’s got what he wants and the only sort of leftist leader who could rise to run such a monstrosity, he doesn’t like it. Hopefully he’ll come to understand that only by opposing government can a leftist be honorable – all government and especially that sort of government which claims to help people.

      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 11:31 am

        It seems to me that opposing all government would be the same thing as promoting anarchy.

        As the Conservative Movement in 21st Century America is about allegiance to a rule of law—-our Constitution—which set up and outlined a specific form of government—-I could not be in favor of opposing all government.

        Only anarchists oppose all government, the Right in 21st Century America support Constitutional government, and the Left supports big and powerful government unconstrained by the restrictions in our Constitution.

  2. Retired Spook December 3, 2012 / 8:10 am

    someone like Nader just doesn’t know what to do with an Obama who doesn’t make peace, doesn’t create prosperity and is clearly uninterested in individual freedom for average folks. Part of this comes from a failure to understand that the left has an inherent problem in getting to any of these desired results.

    So what Nader is essentially saying is that Obama is a Fascist, not a Marxist. I’m so relieved.

  3. Cluster December 3, 2012 / 8:54 am

    Obama is more of a tin horn dictator than a flowery Marxist as most hard leftists thought, and hoped he would be. Obama himself has said that he hopes to create a permanent under class that relies on his party protecting their benefits, and I don’t see how individual “prosperity” works into that formula.

    I see that one of our misguided liberals has chimed in claiming that unless Obama takes away our guns and anoints himself supreme leader that we have nothing to worry about and should have a “spring in our step”. The low expectations that liberals have for their President is truly remarkable. Evidently the current state of our economy sits well with liberals and the childish meme to “tax the rich” still warms their heart.

    It’s a sad state of affairs.

    • neocon01 December 3, 2012 / 10:07 am

      Useful Idiots, relevant then relevant today, no shortage of them either.

    • Amazona December 3, 2012 / 10:16 am

      Remember. Cluster, that the so-called Canadian so-called observer posts here not to make a legitimate point, or enter into an actual political discussion, but merely to show off an oddly fey and bitchy cattiness that I find more and more in “men” of the RRL.

      The CO has developed quite a little straw man routine, elaborating on the fantasies that exist only in the fever swamp of his brain and writing them out as if they reflect the thoughts of normal people, and then sneering at them. It’s quite a bizarre little ballet, in which he pokes around in the murk of his own consciousness till he finds something he thinks he can titter at, drags it out and presents it as if it came from somewhere else, and then reaches back into his tighty whities for something to throw at it.

      You can practically hear him giggling in glee, impressed as all get out at his absolutely darling pweshushness. But then as my Alberta friends always remind me, that’s about what you can expect from those toffee-nosed fairies back in Keh-bec.

    • Amazona December 3, 2012 / 10:30 am

      Cluster, I would also remind you that when off script and away from his minders Barry does blurt out what he really thinks, and his whisper to Medveded should not be forgotten.

      He has known that he would have to tread lightly in his first term, but that as a second term president with no election to worry about he could be infinitely more “flexible” in how he handles his office.

      He said so. He admitted it. This is not a tinfoil-hat projection of what someone thinks he might believe—it’s his own comment, and furthermore a comment to be passed on as a kind of promise to a foreign leader. We haven’t yet seen what form this “flexibility” will take but we have his own word that he has seen his reelection as an opportunity to do what he had not been able to do before, and that he wanted Vladimir Putin to wait patiently until this flexibility could be achieved.

      The compliant and brainless masses, trotting so obediently at the heels of the American Left, never seemed even curious to know what, exactly, our President had to assure Putin he could accomplish once he was secure in a second term. No, they were too busy sniffing at the invented war on women and the invented effort to block access to all health care for women and the invented racial animus of the invented Right and the invented horror of having a successful white business man leading a nation out of economic collapse, etc. to be bothered with reality.

      • Cluster December 3, 2012 / 11:33 am

        Agreed. “Thinking” on the part of liberals would actually require critical analysis that might unveil some inconvenient truths, so it’s best just to snarl at their opposition and let the soothing liberal rhetoric warm their hearts. Ignorance is truly bliss.

    • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 3, 2012 / 11:39 am

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      • neocon01 December 3, 2012 / 11:47 am

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      • Cluster December 3, 2012 / 12:08 pm

        truthie,

        A 1998 video of Obama at Loyola University has him stating unequivocally that a welfare/lower class could become a voting majority.

        Why do you hide from real facts?

      • neocon01 December 3, 2012 / 12:11 pm

        LOL

        A 1998 video of Obama at Loyola University has him stating unequivocally that a welfare/lower class could become a voting majority.

        And then you end up shocked by simple reality.

        YUP……

      • neocon01 December 3, 2012 / 12:25 pm

        [I]f an agency’s budget is projected to grow by $100 million, but only grows by $75 million, according to baseline budgeting, that agency sustained a $25 million cut. That is analogous to a person who expects to gain 100 pounds only gaining 75 pounds, and taking credit for losing 25 pounds.

        If liberal politicians were truly serious about fiscal restraint, they’d eliminate this sleight-of-hand. But they won’t, because they’re not. Ronald Reagan learned this the hard way in the 1980s when he agreed to a budget deal that included three dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases. The taxes came first.

        The cuts never came at all.

        As Reagan later wrote, “[t]he Democrats reneged on their pledge and we never got those cuts.”

        So here’s a message for Republicans who think that liberals can be negotiated with on the budget. I’ll be blunt.

        Hey, idiots, they’re not going to stop spending. Capisce?

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/ill_see_your_economic_collapse_and_raise_you_national_demise.html#ixzz2E0TuKCy4

      • Amazona December 3, 2012 / 1:22 pm

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      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 3, 2012 / 11:35 pm

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      • tiredoflibbs December 4, 2012 / 6:22 am

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      • Cluster December 4, 2012 / 7:47 am

        He said: “we are then putting together a potential majority coalition.” – truthie

        Don’t you love this? Liberals can’t even take their own messiahs word at face value. Liberals are quick to pounce on their opposition for what they say and negatively spin it, but refuse to accept straight forward messages from their der leaders. For example the 47% comment from Romney which liberals have never gotten right, nor has some conservatives.

        But here we have their messiah clearly stating that a welfare class could potentially become a voting majority, and they spin that to be a good thing. Evidently because he CARES so much for them, and WANTS to help them. Tell me truthie, what policies of your President do you think will help that welfare class rise up from poverty? And before you answer, I will remind you that his policies over the last four years have resulted in putting more people in poverty. You know – building that coalition.

      • Cluster December 4, 2012 / 7:53 am

        So let me summarize this for you truthie –

        Obama, as a dumbf**k community organizer saw, and spoke to, the potential for the lower/welfare class to become a voting majority that he could pander to, and now as your dumbf**k President, has actually put policies into place that have expanded that voting majority, and yet you, as a dumbf**k minion still deny that reality.

        And now you know why I call you an inbred.

      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 11:40 am

        “I do hope you won’t hide from these real facts.”

        Well, the problem is, these are not “real facts” but merely the spin you have so desperately tried to put on Obama’s actual words, by inserting your own words: “Obama wants the working poor to be a part of the coalition

        But that’s not what he said.

        That’s what you have to invent and then insert to sanitize what he said.

        And then, of course, you have to go on to explain that this newly invented coalition, which now would include “…multiple discrete groups…” would “…work to help the working poor…”

        Based on your ardent and passionate support of All That Is Obama, I feel pretty safe in guessing that this would mean massive government “help” rather than policies which would free up the capitalist market place, allowing it to create jobs and opportunities for these “working poor” to make more money and help themselves.

        But that’s a topic for a different time.

        For now, we’re just talking about your strident squeals that people who go by what is said instead of by what you want them to infer from what is said are “liars”.

      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 4, 2012 / 11:42 am

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      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 4, 2012 / 11:45 am

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 12:00 pm

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    • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 3, 2012 / 11:36 pm

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      • M. Noonan December 4, 2012 / 11:04 am

        There are two ways the President’s wife can avoid being insulted:

        1. Act in a manner which doesn’t invite insult.

        2. Extreme forbearance on the part of critics.

        As Michelle Obama routinely acts in a manner inviting insult, we’re just stuck with “2”…I’ve managed to hold fire, but I don’t cast blame on those who have given in to the provocation. I suggest for Mrs. Obama a little less lecturing us on food and a few less fabulous vacations and then things will calm down.

    • irisspirit December 4, 2012 / 12:03 pm

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 12:20 pm

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      • irisspirit December 4, 2012 / 12:28 pm

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 12:57 pm

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      • dbschmidt December 4, 2012 / 1:04 pm

        Wonder which tree has the Chairman Mao ornament this year?

      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 1:12 pm

        db, I was wondering the same thing.

  4. Cluster December 3, 2012 / 3:16 pm

    Only from the mind of an agenda driven liberal, does then even begin to make sense:

    “But here,” wrote Jason Whitlock,” is what I believe. If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”

    • Amazona December 3, 2012 / 11:23 pm

      Cluster, the problem with the Whitlocks and Costas is that they don’t go far enough.

      For example:

      If Jovan Belcher didn’t have opposable thumbs, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.

      Or:

      If Jovan Belcher had two broken arms, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.

      Or, and the most relevant:

      If Jovan Belcher didn’t fly into homicidal rages, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.

  5. Amazona December 3, 2012 / 11:14 pm

    “You can, if you want, be a leftist and be against government ..”

    I don’t agree, as my reading about the Left always deals with the concept that government must be the central authority of a society.

    I can’t think of a single example of Leftism that is not government-centered.

    Certainly the Left has tacked a list of emotionally appealing issues onto its core ideology, some of which could theoretically be addressed without government, though at the moment I can’t think of any other than vague abstractions such as “fairness”.

    • Cluster December 4, 2012 / 8:02 am

      A leftist against government? Who said that? Clearly whoever did say that doesn’t understand ideology. Reminds me of the resident liberal (can’t remember who it was) who tried to label themselves as a “libertarian liberal”.

      I suppose a liberal in the traditional sense could be libertarian, but liberalism today is anything but traditional. It is progressively left, hovering in the area of straight up socialism and flirting with Marxism.

      • Cluster December 4, 2012 / 10:31 am

        You crack me up James – you are such a child. I love how you puff up your chest and get indignant, it’s hilarious.

        Let me just state for the record – Obama is not my President. I don’t support him in any way, and will actively work towards his immediate removal from office in anyway possible, and furthermore will commit treason before following his lead.

        Are you clear on that?

      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 4, 2012 / 11:48 am

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      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 12:25 pm

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    • M. Noonan December 4, 2012 / 10:55 am

      Amazona,

      It would only take a slight shift in leftist point of view – just as a slight shift and they’ll stop being in favor of murdering children. In a real sense, they’ve talked themselves in to believing in government (and killing children); they can talk themselves out of it…and it just might be the outrageous behavior of Obama which propels them down the path.

      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 11:26 am

        Mark, in political terms Leftism IS big government.

        While people may have been emotionally drawn to ideas they define as “fairness” such as the original structure of the Jamestown colony, it took Marx to set up a political system based on these ideas, and from that point on what we have seen as the Left has been a political construct.

        As for the outrageous behavior of Obama propelling current American Libs down a path to rejecting the political construct of Leftism, first they would have to know what it is.

        And they would have to know how to think.

        I know Bubbles, etc., will rush in howling at this comment, but I don’t know any other way to put it. When millions of people cast votes based on beliefs in nonexistent, and proven to be nonexistent, fantasies such as Right-wing racism and a war on women, etc., there is no other first step for people like this than learning how to think. You may be right—-perhaps the escalating antics of Obama will nudge some of them into an analytical mode, away from the mindless knee-jerk spasms of oppositional reactions that have so far identified them, but I doubt it.

      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 4, 2012 / 11:50 am

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      • Amazona December 4, 2012 / 12:04 pm

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      • M. Noonan December 4, 2012 / 12:28 pm

        Amazona,

        True, thinking is not a leftist strength – they are mostly about endlessly repeating the party line. But, they are humans – thought is possible. And just a little thought and they can change…

  6. Cluster December 4, 2012 / 10:38 am

    And again, for the record. This is why I, and many others do not consider Obama to be Presidential, and will vigorously work towards his removal:

    “You’re going to like this,” MSNBC host Chuck Todd said this morning on TV. “So, I threw the Lincoln analogy at a close aide to the president last week, and he said, ‘You know, with this Republican, with the way politics of Washington are today, there’d still be slavery. Lincoln wouldn’t have been able to navigate the polarization between the media between this–‘ It was an interesting and depressing observation from this very smart White House aide.”

    Obama is a small little man who is incapable of leading this country, preferring instead to take the easy way out and label his opponents as racist. He does appeal to small minds though which explains James full support.

    • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 12:27 pm

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      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 12:45 pm

        Every now and then when the blog has fallen into a pattern of personal attacks and responses instead of any effort at discussion, Moderators must step in and reboot. Keep on topic and remember, this is supposed to be a place to discuss ideas, not just insult each other. //Moderator

      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 5:38 pm

        Bozell: ‘Time for Conservatives to Start Looking for a New Home’
        CNSNews ^ | Tuesday December 4, 2012

        (CNSNews.com) – Conservative leaders don’t like what they’re hearing from House Speaker John Boehner, the man in the middle of fiscal cliff negotiations.

        One day after Boehner mentioned an $800-billion tax hike — half the amount President Obama is seeking — conservative activist L. Brent Bozell III said the Republican Party is no longer the party of limited government, limited spending and limited taxes:

        “It is now officially exactly right behind the Democrats — on everything,” Bozell said. “It is time for conservatives to start looking for a new home. There’s precious little left for us here.”

        Bozell said it’s no coincidence that just before releasing his proposal, Boehner orchestrated a purge of conservatives from key positions of power in the Republican Conference.

      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 5:43 pm

        Republican Suckers
        GOP USA ^ | 12/3/2012 | Michael Reagan

        My father was duped by the duplicity of Democrats. And so was George H.W. Bush less than a decade later, when he foolishly allowed himself to be taken for the same ride.

        In 1990’s budget wrangling, which was aimed at reducing the federal budget deficit by $500 billion over five years, Bush 41 was seduced by the Democrats’ promise of making $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes.

        The first Bush fell for it completely, reneging on his “Read my lips, no new taxes” pledge, opening the door for “tax-cutter” Ross Perot and losing in 1992 to Bill Clinton.

        Even before he was de-elected, Bush 41 regretted the “bargain” he had made with Democrats. In March of 1992, the sucker in chief said, “I thought this one compromise — and it was a compromise — would result in no more tax increases.

        “I thought it would result in total control of domestic discretionary spending. And now we see Congress talking about raising taxes again. So, I’m disappointed, and given all of that, yes, (it was) a mistake.”

        Fast-forward to “Nightmare on Obama Street, Part II.” We have trillion-dollar federal deficits as far as our children’s eyes can see. We have an economy that’s looking at four more years of low growth and higher taxes.

        And now some Republicans in Congress — who apparently don’t have a piece of conservative cartilage left in their bodies — are getting ready to be duped again.

        What’s that old saying? “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” Well, Republicans look like they are about to be fooled for the third time, which is so stupid there’s no adage to describe it.

        While my father was bargaining with Democrats in 1982 over spending and tax cuts, he spoke over the heads of Congress to the American people.

        “In a few days the Congress will stand at the fork of two roads,” he said. “One road is all too familiar to us. It leads ultimately to higher taxes. It merely brings us full circle back to the source of our economic problems, where the government decides that it knows better than you what should be done with your earnings and, in fact, how you should conduct your life. The other road promises to renew the American spirit. It’s a road of hope and opportunity. It places the direction of your life back in your hands where it belongs.”

        America is at that same fork in the road today. Twice in 30 years Republicans have let Democrat promises lead them and the country down a one-way road to bigger and bigger government.

        Double shame on us. And if the GOP allows itself to be suckered again, it won’t be just another disaster for conservatism, it’ll be a tragedy for the whole country.

      • neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 5:48 pm

        Republicans Can Learn Something from a State Where Obama Lost ALL 77 COUNTIES…
        Reaganite Republican ^ | 04 December 2012 | Reaganite Republican

        In the recent presidential election, Barack Obama lost every single county in Oklahoma (Utah and West Virginia, too)…
        what do they know that we don’t?

        Well, early in Obama’s first term Oklahoma passed a state law to incarcerate all illegal immigrants. Oklahoma House Bill 1804 was passed against the advice of the Federal Government and ACLU, they said it would be ‘a mistake’. Naturally, the number of illegals in the state plummeted ever since…

        The state also passed a law -SB 1102- to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database for criminal investigative purposes. Nancy Pelosi said it was ‘unconstitutional’, but the good people of Oklahoma
        could give a rat’s ass what she purports to think.

        The straight-up standing legislature also declared Oklahoma a sovereign state, and thereby not subservient to Federal Government directives/mandates.

        The Obama Administration is clearly no friend of the 2nd Amendment, and has made bold steps towards taking-away our guns. Yet in 2009, Oklahoma passed a law confirming people in the state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles.

        Also that year OK lawmakers passed a bill that demands ALL driver’s license exams will be printed in English -and only English- no other language. They have been called ‘racist’ for doing this, but the fact is that ALL of the road signs are in English only… duh

        My kinda people out there in Oklahoma…

  7. neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 8:02 pm

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  8. neocon01 December 4, 2012 / 8:04 pm

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  9. Cluster December 4, 2012 / 9:53 pm

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  10. Cluster December 4, 2012 / 10:01 pm

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    • watsonthethird December 4, 2012 / 11:26 pm

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    • Cluster December 5, 2012 / 8:49 am

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      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 11:24 am

        common denominator…….blog Trolls!

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 11:42 am

        Breitbart Reflects on Obama’s Left-Wing Internet “Trolls”

        By Matthew Vadum on 3.29.09 @ 9:25PM

        Conservative strategic visionary Andrew Breitbart hits the target again.

        In his Washington Times op-ed today the Internet news entrepreneur warns of the apparently coordinated proliferation of left-wing, pro-Obama Internet trolls out to stifle dissent and demoralize conservatives:

        A digital war has broken out, and the conservative movement is losing. Read the comment sections of right-leaning blogs, news sites and social forums, and the evidence is there in ugly abundance. Internet hooligans are spewing their talking points to thwart the dissent of the newly-out-of-power.

        We must not let that go unanswered.

        http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/29/breitbart-reflects-on-obamas-l

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 11:44 am

        PAID agent provocateurs…….

        Trolls appear to perform a “disinformation” function typical of counter-intelligence efforts by intelligence agencies to confuse political enemies and refute or deflect opposing political views that are less susceptible to refutation by more traditional methods of debate and argumentation.

        Typically, trolls operating on WND forums attempt to defend Obama by posting specious and diversionary arguments with the goal of changing the subject and obscuring topics that could damage Obama, such as his birth records, life narrative, political history and policy preferences, including his current positions as president.

        Particularly offensive is the proclivity of trolls to use obscene or blasphemous language mixed with personal invective.

        Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/decisive-action-against-obamas-left-wing-trolls/#ixzz2EC0pvypK

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 3:03 pm

        Aaaaaaaaaamen!!!!!!

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 4:31 pm

        Pssssttttttttttt GOP………THIS is WHY we lost in 2012

      • M. Noonan December 5, 2012 / 9:35 pm

        Good a story as any I’ve heard. My view: we lost because we suck. We need to de-suckify ourselves and then we’ll win. First step: Nominate a movement conservative.

      • 02casper December 5, 2012 / 10:40 pm

        Mark,
        I agree. 100%.

      • neocon01 December 6, 2012 / 1:17 pm

        count

        there are many many conservatives especially paulbots who sat this one out.
        couple that with mass cheating and we end up with the POS

      • neocon01 December 6, 2012 / 1:19 pm

        Mark

        First step: Nominate a movement conservative.

        there were several, if any of them had run and picked Alan West as VP we would be rid of the marxist muslim.

      • neocon01 December 7, 2012 / 3:10 pm

        rat

        because Libertarian women are screeching harpys?

        dont know,….never slept with one…..

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 3:13 pm

        Bozell warns GOP just strategizing surrender
        ‘You cannot out-Democrat a Democrat’

  11. dbschmidt December 5, 2012 / 3:03 pm

    Well, since this post is on Nader who is best known for the Corvair roll over issues. This is kind of off-topic but after all it is about the Motor city of Detroit. Another Democrat paradise of unicorn farts and prosperity. No? Don’t tell me they need help?

    Detroit councilwoman to Obama: We voted for you, now bail us out.

    “Our people in an overwhelming way supported the re-election of this president and there ought to be a quid pro quo and you ought to exercise leadership on that,” said Watson. “Of course, not just that, but why not?”

    Nearly 75 percent of Wayne County voters pulled the lever for Obama in November.

    http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20264712/detroit-councilwoman-to-obama-we-supported-you-now-support-us

    “Quid pro quo” — Geez Wally, isn’t that illegal in politics? But we have been in recovery since 2009 and it is going so well that Citi just laid off another 11,00 employees.

    While on the subject of bailouts–today’s offense;
    Obama allowed the bailouts to grant money without the authority to do so. “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.” Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 U.S.Constitution

    • dbschmidt December 5, 2012 / 3:05 pm

      That would be 11,000 new unemployed enjoying the recovery with a “vacation.”

    • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 3:47 pm

      Obama allowed the bailouts to grant money without the authority to do so

      watch the video below…..

      • dbschmidt December 5, 2012 / 4:49 pm

        Noticed that but it is “okay” for our new Emperor. I am just pointing out another violation of the Constitution each day until one of the Libs/Progressives/Whatever actually has something constructive to say about the powers of the President. Not holding my breath. Plenty of stuff to go plus more each day.

        As much as many of us bitched about GW Bush’s policies–never heard nary a bad word about “The One We have all been Waiting For” out of the proggies here.

    • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 5:43 pm

      GMB

      watch both videos, kind of long but this gal is 100% on the money about the country and the GOP

      • neocon01 December 5, 2012 / 5:45 pm

        GMB

        the GOP also let one of it’s finest conservative members get CHEATED out of his seat with nary a peep…….Lt Col Alan West

      • thetruthshallsetyoufree2012 December 6, 2012 / 11:31 am

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