Open Thread

The Democrats really do seem to want to go all-in on leftist insanity – what was just a couple years ago the fringe is now the center for the Democrats. One excellent example is the way Democrats are treating the 2018 Georgia governors race:

While Beto is not the only Democratic candidate for president who has kissed the Abrams ring by indulging in the fantasy that she would be governor had Brian Kemp not allegedly committed election fraud, he has perhaps embraced the myth more than the rest.

All of us are old enough to remember when Democrats said questioning the election results was a horrible thing – but what really makes this sick and twisted is that the Democrats routinely engage in voter fraud. Now they are claiming to be victims of it, without the slightest bit of evidence…and only to pander to a far left base. My theory going into 2020 is that there is a line – which none of us can see – which if crossed will result in a Trump landslide. There is a point so far left that the Democrats will alienate 60% of the electorate. They may have already crossed it – once again, the line can’t be seen because you can never fully appreciate how things work out in the public mind over the course of time. But if the Democrats keep pushing this way, they will cross it.

Vegans got their butts kicked when they stormed a Spanish rabbit farm. Yeah, I laughed.

Brit MP’s checked with their masters in Brussels about delaying Brexit – because that is what this is all about: the British Ruling Class wants to turn all power over to the EU while retaining all the perks of power in the UK for themselves. It is really nothing more than that – just a Ruling Class wanting to abdicate and stay in office.

China is working against Trump’s re-election – which is a big no-brainer. China wants and needs an American President who will kowtow to China’s wishes. Every US President from Nixon to Obama did…which was amazingly stupid. Only a madman would want to help build up the power of a nation which has 314 million men fit for military duty. A couple centuries ago Napoleon was asked what to do about China and his words were, “let China sleep”. He knew what you could do with manpower…all it takes is intelligent leadership and they’d be off to the races. China now has intelligent leadership. Our job is to contain China, not help her out. But China is still 20-30 years away from having the technical ability to successfully fight us – they could definitely stop a US invasion of China, but they can’t project their power far outside China. Yet. Our job is to make sure “yet” never arrives.

38 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook September 8, 2019 / 2:41 pm

    My theory going into 2020 is that there is a line – which none of us can see – which if crossed will result in a Trump landslide. There is a point so far left that the Democrats will alienate 60% of the electorate.

    I agree. And there will be people on the Left who will double down if that happens and become even more unhinged. But I think there will also be a sizable number who will decide that maybe they’ve been on the wrong side all along and switch sides. We already saw that dynamic play out in 2016 when Trump won 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama in either 2008 or 2012. Conversely, Hillary was only able to flip 6 of the 2,200 counties that never supported Obama.

    I understand people not liking Trump on a personal level, not liking his tweets and his rhetoric. He says and tweets things that make ME cringe. But I can’t relate to voting against one’s own self interests simply because you don’t like someone or they make you uncomfortable.

  2. Amazona September 8, 2019 / 3:08 pm

    Most won’t see the line unless it is pointed out them. And we don’t have anyone doing this.

    I’m not talking about a talk show host touching, every now and then, on one thing or another. I’m talking about the need, the desperate need, for a coherent organized and focused attack on the lies and insanity of the Left.

    The other night I happened to catch part of something, possibly on Fox (I have a brother recovering from a badly broken leg in my walkout basement, where he can roll out onto the patio and so on, and he has the TV on all the time because that is basically all he can do to occupy himself, so when I am spending time with him I catch more TV than I usually watch) where several women were in a discussion about guns. The anti-gun person was very credible, if all you had to go on was her demeanor and her presentation. She told lie after lie, but with absolute conviction. The pro-2nd Amendment women were outgunned, so to speak.

    What they did was try to respond to her lies, while doing eye rolls and exhibiting frustration at her comments. They were constantly on the back foot, coming up with facts and statistics, and she basically ran the show. Her lies were so numerous and so forcefully stated that no one could keep up, and she was in charge as all they did was TRY to keep up.

    What we needed was someone to go AT her, forcefully, with something like You are blaming tools—because guns are tools—and you are inventing bogey men like the NRA, but you are avoiding the real problem, which is the cultural rot in this country that is the real source of the mass shooter mentality.

    Not many years ago, a generation at most, kids often went to school with guns in their cars. Many school parking lots were filled with pickups with gun racks, or cars with guns in their trunks. Kids went hunting or target shooting after school, they were in clubs, they had dozens of reasons to take guns to school. And none of them went on rampages shooting people.

    The difference is that, not very long ago, we lived in a different cultural environment. Life was not cheap, life was respected. Women didn’t kill their babies, and if they did it was acknowledged to be a shameful thing. They didn’t brag about it, and they were not excused by a culture that says a human life is only as important as the value someone else puts on it. Kids didn’t grow up spending hours every day immersed in violent video scenarios where they were rewarded for virtually killing hundreds of people in various gruesome and graphic ways, being desensitized to human death and suffering and being cheered for making heads explode and spraying blood and gore all over the screen. They were not told that anything they did was special and wonderful, but were expected to EARN praise and rewards. They were not brought up to feel so entitled that they believed they had a right to indulge every whim, or to live without ever being frustrated or angry. They were corrected when they expressed their angers and frustrations inappropriately, instead of hearing how awful it is to “shame” someone and how bad it is to judge. They usually grew up in families with fathers in the home, to provide role models, so they could learn how to be men from examples of men working for a living, dealing with setbacks and frustrations, taking responsibility for their families and their lives.

    But now our young people grow up rudderless, taught that human life is expendable if it inconveniences the very people who should be fighting to preserve and protect it, and having that attitude of indifference to the value of human life constantly not just reinforced but celebrated in our society. The boys are not taught how to become men, but have to invent their own manhoods, in a society that teaches them that violence and slaughter are not just fun but proofs of strength. They are in a society where entertainment is too often about impregnating women but not being fathers, about hedonism and pursuit of whatever pleasure seems attractive or rewarding without any concern for consequence, and where the need of a boy to feel like a man is too often left up to him to figure out.

    So who is responsible for this cultural rot? The NRA? Republicans? Conservatives? Evangelicals? Stop your efforts to blame everyone and everything for the lack of moral character and respect for human life on everyone and everything BUT the political movement which overtly and proudly created it, promotes it, glorifies it, celebrates it, enables it and brags about it. Address THESE issues, and stop lying about your tinfoil hat fantasies of Wayne LaPierre having Trump on speed dial and the even more brazen lie that the NRA promotes and incites gun violence. Deal with the real issues or shut up because this effort to divert attention away from the culture to the tool is just plain stupid.

    Why the HELL is anyone trying to deal with these people with rationality, facts and figures, and constantly playing defense? When is the last time anyone on the Right put anyone on the Left on defense?

    And no, I am not talking about waiting for a Lefty lie or attack and then rebutting it. I am talking about walking right into their own nests and ripping them apart. I am talking about having enough ducks in enough rows so that an attack like the one I outlined could be, would be, maintained with constant pressure. Not asking questions like "Don't you agree that abortion devalues human life?" but an in-your-face assertion that ABORTION DEVALUES HUMAN LIFE. When the life of any human being is subject to the whim or convenience of another person, life is devalued. Deny that. DENY THAT. Push push push.

    But we are all on our own little crusades, so Hannity is focused on his things and Rush on others and Sexton on others, and ALL of them tend to wait till there is something they can push BACK on. So essentially we are not only always on defense, we are reactive instead of proactive.

    You know who is in control? Whoever starts the conversation.

    Trump does his best, but he is often clumsy about it, and he seems to be the only one. And we see what happens even then. So why don't we have dozens of public voices doing the same thing? Sure, we have to address the lies and we have to point out the insanity, but we are too often preaching to the choir. What about every talk show host having a day every week that is focused on taking the fight to THEIR doors?

    That, and paying for an hour every week on network TV which addresses and corrects the lies of the week. Hell, call it LIES OF THE WEEK. So what if it can’t get advertisers? Is there any better way to spend RNC money, or generate more donations? What else would get more of willing/eager to support something? It could show some of the brilliant cartoons no one but us ever sees.

    • M. Noonan September 9, 2019 / 2:12 am

      You nailed that: only Trump is really hammering these people….though a few others are starting to step up. Lindsay Graham being a real surprise here. But we do need more of it – and we’ve got to finally get rid of these useless burdens who are always lecturing us on how “we’re better than that”. First off, we ain’t – we’re just as human as everyone else. Secondly, if we don’t point out the rank hypocrisy of the Left it isn’t that people won’t see it – but they won’t know that anyone else sees it. There is a thing called “cascade preference”, and it is real. Its where people find out that how they view things isn’t rare…that there are many others who feel the exact same way. When they see that, they become more bold in stating it…and acting on it. Trump is building a cascade preference…but he’s not getting a lot of help.

      • Amazona September 9, 2019 / 10:52 am

        As I said, we on the Right sit around and talk to each other about the cultural rot that is responsible for the problems the Left howls about but blames on whatever it can associate with the Right—which boils down to guns guns guns guns guns.

        We know that it is a combination of the ruthless devaluation of human life in the pursuit of sexual pleasure and the presentation of the most violent and gruesome virtual but highly realistic slaughter of literally tens of dozens of human figures as entertainment that probably constitute about 80 % of the foundation for the mentality of a spree killer. So why don’t we take the offensive when a Lib is on a talk show and start off with that? Start off with great energy and conviction, and put the Lib on the back foot for a change.

        When a human life’s value is optional depending on the opinion of someone else, doesn’t that devalue human life?

        Doesn’t portraying brutal graphic bloody violence with exploding heads and victims piling up like cordwood, and rewarding this kind of killing in the name of entertainment desensitize children to the reality of violence and violent death?

        Doesn’t a lifetime of being protected from disappointment result in poorer ability to deal with frustration, anger or failure?

        Demand yes or no answers and give up to two minutes to explain.

        I’ve seen some rather limp efforts in that direction, always as a response not as an originating attack, and always shouted down by the Lib in question. I have yet to see an attack boiled down to one or two salient points, like the ones I just made, and hammered and hammered and hammered, demanding responses.

        Tucker Carlson tries to do this, but with a guest who just keeps shouting louder and louder determination to get an answer doesn’t get anywhere, and now that the Left knows he will keep pushing they have the strategy of just raising their volume.

        Mike Rosen in Denver used to have a radio talk show—actually, he introduced me to the reality of the Left’s approach to “discourse” which is to toss out a statement and then when pushed to explain or defend it just shifting to another topic to start over—and he used to use what he called “Mr. Hold Button”. He would lay out the rules up front—you ask a question and I answer, then I ask a question and you answer. If you refuse to answer, Mr. Hold Button steps in to head off your monologue and I ask again, and if you can’t or won’t answer again I go to the next caller. It eliminated the incessant bloviating and tap dancing done by Lefties who just use talk shows, radio or TV, as platforms for repeating their lies and nonsense as often and as loudly as possible.

        We could start with a show like that on Fox, with a host who is concise and precise, not someone like Hannity who wanders around the perimeter of an idea picking up stray thoughts here and there till he has a long meandering run-on kinda-question that is really just a collection of his own ideas presented as a question by ending with “Isn’t it so?” Challenge Lefties to come on, explain the rules, and if no one comes on use it to explain things and point out that no one on the Left is willing to come on a show where he or she will be expected to actually answer a question and not just veer off into monologues of Leftist propaganda.

  3. Retired Spook September 9, 2019 / 11:17 am

    When posed with the question, “where in the world has socialism worked?” The country most often cited by our Lefties is Sweden. Well, look what those nasty old socialists in Sweden are doing.

    • Amazona September 9, 2019 / 12:44 pm

      Great article. So being rewarded for good financial decisions leads to more productivity? Who knew?

      Except for conservatives, that is.

      And Sweden isn’t even a socialist nation. It’s a representative democracy financially supported by the capitalist economic system, with a strong bent toward redistribution of OPM for various social engineering schemes, what you might call “social socialism”. The people went along with this because once the money was taken out of their paychecks it was like it had never been there so they didn’t really miss it that much, and the nation got along pretty well.

      At least till they decided to slap on some hard-core Leftist strategy and opened their borders to “refugees” and saw the system lurch and look as if it might capsize. Then there was the belated realization that it HAD worked because everyone shared pretty much the same culture, and also contributed at least something. Once there was not only no shared culture but a massive influx of a culture not only different but in conflict with their own, and their system was expected to assume the same level of benefits they had enjoyed when nearly everyone chipped in, it started to show the inevitable cracks on the “government will provide everything” policy.

  4. Amazona September 9, 2019 / 12:33 pm

    Spook, I thought of you when I saw the list of quotations on bizpac this morning, and I copied this one:

    “You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing everything with logic. If words control you that means everyone else can control you.” – Bruce Lee

    It’s exactly what I think every time someone gets the heebie-jeebies about the dreaded, omnipotent, ‘N-WORD’.

    It’s a WORD. Get over it. It has exactly as much meaning as the hearer chooses to assign it. If it was treated with the same level of freak-out as “tall” or “blonde” or “Nordic”, if it were ignored it would be gone except as an archaic artifact within a generation. It is only the freak-out, the assignment of so many deep, dark, malignant, powerful, destructive, existential-threat-to-the-sanity-of-an-entire-race, sinister, dangerous meanings to these two syllables that give them any power at all.

    And what the freaker–outers don’t get is that when they freak out they are handing over control of their emotions and their minds to someone else. Just voluntarily granting someone else the ability to affect them so deeply they feel justified in rioting, in murder, in rebelling against society, in various kinds of self-destructive behavior.

    The first sentence also reminded me of Lefties, who have emotional reactions to pretty much anything and everything anyone says.

    • Retired Spook September 9, 2019 / 12:48 pm

      “Logic” is definitely something that is in short supply on the Left. Logic and reasoning simply don’t have a place in their strategy. Pick any favorite Leftist issue and try to remember the last time you heard a Liberal discuss the issue using logic — not on gun control, not on climate change, not on immigration, not on much of anything of importance.

  5. Retired Spook September 9, 2019 / 12:51 pm

    Quote of the day:

    “Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

  6. Retired Spook September 9, 2019 / 3:47 pm

    Amazona asked me to post this (and then teach her how to do it).

    • Amazona September 9, 2019 / 9:39 pm

      Thanks, Spook. I am a tech dinosaur….

      • Retired Spook September 9, 2019 / 10:10 pm

        I’m only slightly ahead of you.

  7. Cluster September 10, 2019 / 11:32 am

    This is 100% fact ….

    Trump spoke of the 2020 election, saying, “You must never forget that the 2020 election is about one thing. You. It’s true. It’s not about me. It’s about you. It’s about your family, your future, and the fate of your country … A vote for any Democrat in 2020 and a vote for any Democrat tomorrow in North Carolina is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of the American dream. We are entering this campaign with the best record, the best results, the best agenda. ….. “Democrats are now the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late-term abortion, and socialism. They are socialists.

    This next year will determine what direction America goes for the next 20 years and it begins by exposing who these Democrats really are and the complete fabrication of every single one of their issues. The climate calamity Democrats love to scare people with is a complete hoax. If they were serious about this issue and really believed we had just 12 years left to change direction, wouldn’t they be changing their personal lives? Wouldn’t they be speaking of India and China and what actions need to be taken with those two countries? This issue is a complete myth. We reside on a living planet that is 4.5 billion years old and is always changing. Using 130 year old data to make any kind of a decision on a planet this old is complete absurdity.

    Gender fluidity is mental illness, period. There are only two genders and anyone who suggests or feel otherwise, have mental issues.

    Gun control is simply an attempt to control people. Again IF they were serious about this issue they would address hand guns which are responsible for 95% of all shooting deaths with the vast majority of those deaths being suicide. Like Amazona said the other day, no serious person can address this issue without addressing the cultural rot in our society.

    Russian interference is a myth. Again, if they are serious about addressing foreign interference in our elections, they need to start with Mexico. The Democrats actually employ Mexican citizens to “get out the vote”, yet they want us to believe they a few Russians on Facebook are an existential threat to our “democracy”

    Illegal immigration creates death, rape, and chaos. Women and children suffer the most and Democrats are ok with that.

    Abortion is murder. There is no getting around that and even science supports that now knowing that a heartbeat is distinguishable within a few weeks. And why do Democrats completely dismiss the desires of the Father? (we all know the answer to this)

    There is not a single Democrat issue that will expand liberty and opportunity for the American people and there is not one single Democrat issue that is not contrived or manufactured. Traditional, common sense Americans must repudiate Democrats on every level if we are to keep this great American experiment in tact. And it starts now.

  8. Cluster September 10, 2019 / 12:10 pm

    This is telling and important:

    A column in The New York Times Tuesday cited a Pew Research Center survey which found that Americans currently hold an unfavorable view of the Democratic party. According to the poll, 45 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democrats, compared with 52 percent who hold an unfavorable view.

    We need to continue to run this Democrat party into the ground. Scorched earth if you will … these current Democrats are an existential threat to our country and way of life.

    On another note – is there a bigger loser in life than Jerry Nadler? Have you seen how this guy wears his pants? Have you actually looked at him? And this is a guy people elected to office?? We have problems in this country.

  9. Retired Spook September 10, 2019 / 12:11 pm

    There is not a single Democrat issue that will expand liberty and opportunity for the American people

    And that is the difference in a nutshell. Actually that should go on a bumper sticker or billboard.

  10. Cluster September 10, 2019 / 12:40 pm


    I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore….….I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

    I think this is a good move. Although I like Bolton, I think he is too entrenched in failed world views … we need to approach foreign issues with a different mindset to get different, and hopefully better results. I think Trump is right on what he’s doing.

    • Retired Spook September 10, 2019 / 1:00 pm

      It would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall during National Security Council meetings. The media paints Bolton as the worst war monger who ever lived. Even Trump has humorously commented that John would nuke all our enemies if he could. Bolton must have had some value in the overall scheme of things, as he was in the position for nearly a year and a half. I had always thought that he probably added a degree of balance to the equation. On the flip side, it’s refreshing to have a president who doesn’t see war, violence and destruction as the first option.

    • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 2:10 pm

      I don’t agree. I think Bolton’s vast accumulation of experience has given him the ability to see through the BS and lies and confusion surrounding most international security issues, and also that he is broadminded enough to value different approaches.

      I think this is an example of only surrounding yourself with people who agree with you—-a very dangerous attitude and one claimed by the Left to define Trump.

      • Retired Spook September 10, 2019 / 2:46 pm

        You and I are usually on the same page. What specifically are you disagreeing with?

      • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 2:59 pm

        Maybe I hit “reply” to the wrong post. I was disagreeing with Cluster: I think this is a good move and I think Trump is right on what he’s doing.

      • Retired Spook September 10, 2019 / 3:09 pm

        Yeah, I see that now. Without being privy to private conversations and advice, it’s almost impossible to know if Trump is, indeed, just looking for yes-men or if Bolton was on the wrong side of the argument one too many times.

      • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 4:16 pm

        The things I like most about Bolton are the things I feared might make him an annoyance to Trump. As you say, we don’t know what they disagreed on, but I don’t think Bolton was ever a warmonger. In fact, I thought he and Trump were much alike in an attitude of “carry a big stick and make sure the other guy knows you know how to use and aren’t afraid to use it”, which is the key to dealing with any bully whether it is a road rage incident or a Kim Jong Un. That is a far cry from hitting the other guy with it, or calling for bombing or invasion.

        As we saw when Barry put on his Mad Daddy face and blustered about a red line and then tucked his tail between his legs and sloped off, words don’t matter without the perception of both capability and willingness to act. And we need people who can project those attributes, which I think Bolton did.

        You might remember that back when I thought Romney had a backbone I thought the ideal ticket for the GOP would be Romney, for his business acumen, and Bolton for his international expertise and his tough persona.

    • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 2:16 pm

      I think Trump is right on what he’s doing.—-which you could post after anything Trump does. Face it, Cluster, you’re a fanboi.

      • Cluster September 10, 2019 / 6:47 pm

        Hahaha … Bolton has been a strong advocate for a muscular foreign policy approach ever since he’s been there and how has that worked out? Do you think our approach to foreign policy has been a success in the last 20 years because a lot of it was orchestrated by Bolton and his way of thinking. Bolton also had strong disagreements with Pompeo, and I would support Pompeo over Bolton any day of the week. We need a new approach and new thinking to everything when it comes to foreign policy because nothing has worked out very well over the last 20 years and Bolton was right in the middle of it all so this is kind of like draining the swamp. There are a lot of bright minds out there that can do just as well if not better.


      • Cluster September 10, 2019 / 6:51 pm

        And just for the record, I do not agree with red flag laws nor do I support bringing the Taliban to Camp David.

        Please do not cancel my membership

  11. Retired Spook September 10, 2019 / 1:04 pm

    My wife and I had dinner last night with a group of 8 original members of our local Tea Party group. Of course the main topic was politics, and I made the comment that I have made here numerous times, that I support Trump in spite of the fact that he says and tweets things that make me cringe. One of the others reminded me of something that we often either ignore or forget, that it’s usually in response to something said on the Left that is equally cringe-worthy.

  12. Cluster September 10, 2019 / 2:12 pm

    There can be no other conclusion than to think that Whoopi Goldberg thinks ALL DRUG DEALERS are black:

    After playing the clip of Trump’s remarks, where he said, “I don’t want to allow people that weren’t supposed to be in the Bahamas to come into the United States, including some very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers,” Whoopi declared the following:

    “How do you not look at this man and say this is a racial problem? How do you not?” She added that she didn’t like to constantly bring up race but it was right there.

    Trump never even alluded to skin color but Whoopi did. Who is the racist?

    • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 2:21 pm

      This is exactly the thing that the Left uses as the basis of its “Trump is a racist” howls. When you look at what he SAID there is never even a hint of racism. It takes a racist to ferret out some hidden element no one else can see, and then interpret it for us.

      This is the underlying concept of the Left’s “dog whistle”—-they say it is a hidden message most can’t hear, and this is true, but it is not a hidden message to fellow conservatives, it is a deeply coded totally hidden message of racism that only the racist Left can tell is even there, and even after they “explain” it to us it remains completely obscure and incomprehensible without the Lefty’s Handy Dandy Code-breaking Book, available at with only a small donation to George Soros.

    • Amazona September 10, 2019 / 2:27 pm

      Yes, Whoopi’s comments do indicate her belief that all drug dealers are black and evidently so are all very bad people and all very bad gang members. OK, to be fair she might include Latinos in the “all” categories, to stick to the meme that Trump also hates brown skins.

      But only all people who in any way resemble monkeys are black.

      Just listen to them—they will tell you what they really believe even as they try to hide it in squeals of outrage about what they claim others believe.

      • Cluster September 10, 2019 / 6:55 pm

        They have been taught from an early age by the media and much of our culture that their skin color defines them and that really is a form of child abuse.

  13. Cluster September 11, 2019 / 9:34 am

    Re: Elizabeth Warren – I think it’s a great idea for Democrats to nominate an elderly white woman with no experience and a dubious past. What could go wrong?

    • Amazona September 11, 2019 / 10:56 am

      Aside from the word “elderly” for someone in middle age, you merely point out the preference for Dems to nominate people with no history, no experience, no skills and nothing whatsoever to qualify them for the job of being president. When they did this with Obama, plucking him from obscurity and getting him into the Senate by extremely unethical means to get him on the national stage, he checked off that era’s box of “Black”. This year it is evidently “female” though they might run into trouble if they try to pin down her gender or use the “wrong” pronoun.

      I say to them “go for it” and we can sit back and watch the Left devour itself as the Dems try to run a female candidate without identifying her as female for fear of upsetting their newly created lobby of sexual deviants and the campaign gets bogged down in what pronoun she wants and who gets upset by THAT. How can a middle aged well-to-do white married-to-someone-of-the-opposite sex person be supported in the movement she wants to represent? How do those characteristics play with the haters of white people and the LGTBEIEIO activists and the downtrodden victimized poor?

  14. Retired Spook September 11, 2019 / 9:49 am


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