Pondering the Conservative Future

As of this moment, Campaign 2020 is still up in the air and while we all hope and pray that Trump prevails over the Fraud, we still need to take a thought to the future regardless of how the campaign ends.

Trump did do some rather phenomenal things on Tuesday – increased his vote from 2016 by around 5 million votes, increased GOP numbers in the House and almost certainly held the Senate in a year when the map was unfavorable to the GOP. A lot of Trump’s message, then, resonated with the American people. If Biden gets in, it is with the most pathetic mandate in modern history – and a GOP Senate means no grand plans get enacted, at all. On the other hand, Biden is north of 70 million votes.

That’s a lot.

And while we don’t care about the national popular vote – because there isn’t such a thing – it does indicate that Trump was rejected by a very large segment of the American population. And we GOPers/Conservatives can’t forever assume we’ll get EC wins. We need to become more popular.

Over the years I’ve talked a lot about how things need to be looked at afresh: that the quiet dogmas of the past are not suited to the present moment. I believe that now this is just more true than ever. Unless we find it within ourselves to navigate ourselves to long-term power, we will eventually end up losing everything. Keeping the Senate means no packed Court and no Statehood for DC – but there will come a day when the entire government is in Democrat hands, and then all that will be done. The Left never forgets and never retreats: once they stake out a position, it becomes unalterable dogma, and it will be done, if they ever have the power to do so.

I think our first step is to state our ideals and rank them in order of importance. We need to know what we stand for, what is most important of what we stand for – and then decide what we’ll give up to keep what we think is most important. For me, it goes like this:

  1. The right to bear arms
  2. Freedom of conscience
  3. Freedom of association
  4. Property rights

Others may come up with different, or place them in different order. But my view is that if I have those four things, I am free and so content. I will put up with anything, as long as I have those four things. If I can defend myself, say what I wish, associate with whom I wish and own my property, I’ve got nothing to complain about. No level of taxation or regulation (as long as they aren’t designed to impinge upon the four) will bother me that much.

So, what next? Well, now I decide what I am willing to give in on in order to get a deal which secures the four. What I will write now is not definitive: merely examples of how such a thing might go.

Want single payer health care? Then let’s couple it with a law which says that after 20 years, a person’s primary residence is freed from all taxation.

Want Universal Basic Income? Then enact a law which prohibits employment discrimination based on viewpoint: that I can say whatever I want and associate with whomever I want outside the work environment and I can’t be fired for it.

Want free education? Sure: as long as it also includes trade schools and has an ironclad guarantee against viewpoint discrimination on campus.

See what I’m driving at? You and I know that single payer healthcare and UBI are drivel…but the bottom line is that a huge portion of our population wants Uncle Sugar to take care of them…and if we don’t do it, then the Left eventually wins and we get it, without getting any assurances for the things we care most about.

But the really crucial thing here is that by bending on some of these things, it will allow us to speak to the mindless Care Bears of the Suburbs and convince them that, hey, we care, too: so vote for us! Once we get the power, we give them their security blankie…while we keep the guns. It is, as far as I can tell, the only way forward for us in a United States of America. The only other path which doesn’t wind up with you and I in the Happy Fun Fuzzy Bunny Re-Education Camp is a national divorce – which I’m also willing to entertain.

63 thoughts on “Pondering the Conservative Future

  1. Amazona November 4, 2020 / 9:41 pm

    Regarding the wish list you went through, why not just explain that these people can already have all these things—they just have to get them through their state governments. That is a whole lot easier than the tradeoffs you mention, it is immediately available and if not in any given state the right to vote with our feet is still available and people can choose to live where they can get what they want.

    THIS is freedom. And coincidentally, this is Constitutional governance.

    If it is federal, it is the opposite of freedom as the the Central Authority will mandate the same things for everyone, like them or not. And also, BTW, this is unconstitutional al.

    Funny how that works, isn’t it?

  2. Retired Spook November 4, 2020 / 10:55 pm

    I’m reminded of an old sayin: “A government that is powerful enough to give you everything you want is also powerful enough to take everything you have.” If we go your route, the Democrats will simply implement their end of the deal and then renege on our end. That’s who they are — liars and cheaters. There’s a reason you NEVER hear words like “freedom” and “liberty” in Democrat speeches.

    • lance1845 (@lance1845) November 4, 2020 / 11:07 pm

      Spook, that’s an easy lie to disprove on your part. The amount of mental gymnastics you do in your old age is astounding.

      You’re about to have a one term president who was impeached and has a legacy of economic decline and a pandemic on his record.

      oh and your post about there being more votes than registered voters in Wisconsin was patently false. Apparently you’re gullible in your old age as well.

      • Retired Spook November 4, 2020 / 11:31 pm

        You’re about to have a one term president who was impeached and has a legacy of economic decline and a pandemic on his record.

        That would be funny if it weren’t so pathetically intellectually dishonest.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:19 am

        My goodness, Carlos—did you miss your saucer of warm milk this morning? I haven’t seen such a catty snarl since Mr. Snickers tried to play with Princess’s Flippety Fish. Who piddled in your Cheerios this evening?

        Being impeached only means being accused, and the gravity of the experience depends wholly on the integrity of the accusers. In the case of the Trump impeachment, there was no integrity on the part of any of the accusers, who engaged in a bizarre Amateur Hour effort to emulate a Soviet show trial but fell far short of projecting the kind of power and intimidation necessary to pull it off. So they just made absolute and utter fools of themselves, but then they did manage to suck in a few suckers who evidently found this all quite significant.

        Interesting that you put “economic decline” ahead of the pandemic, and then tried to lay both at Trump’s feet. That is where you shifted from just plain stupid into the intellectual dishonesty Spook noted. But as even you have to know, the economy was roaring, setting all-time records in every metric, until we were affected, like every other nation in the world, by the GLOBAL pandemic. What a sad, pissy and impotent effort to imply that the economy was declining on its own, and then to simper that the pandemic is “on his record”.

        BTW, what’s with this “old age” meme you are sporting? Gee, I haven’t seen that kind of infantile assumption of superiority based on fewer years on the planet since the Bad Old Days of the Pitchfork crowd. But you do illustrate why the Left hates meritocracy, needing desperately to find something that does not require skill, talent, ambition or any kind of success to support an illusion of being special. It’s just odd, in a sad and pathetic way, that all YOU have is less experience than someone else. However, you seem pretty proud of that, so I guess it’s all you’ve got.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:52 am

      ,,,,,you NEVER hear words like “freedom” and “liberty” in Democrat speeches….

      Excellent observation

      • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 10:15 am

        According to ol’ Lance, that’s a lie, at least I think that’s the part he said was a lie. Maybe I’m just not listening close enough//sarc. Excellent rebuttal, BTW.

  3. Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:25 am

    If you can find a video of Victor Davis Hanson’s appearance on Tucker Carlson tonight, I strongly urge you to watch it. It was one of the most concise, compelling and powerful analyses of where we are today and what it means for the nation that I have seen.

  4. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 8:34 am

    How’s the election fraud coming along this morning? Are we still creating ballots? I mean counting ballots.

    I appreciate the cooler heads in the group, but I’m just waiting for people to actually recognize the lethal cancer that has effected our body politic. Do we honestly think that talking to people like Pablo Escobar (lance) and Casper about the structures of government and which platform benefits the most people will go anywhere?? Sorry but I’m not there anymore. I just can’t sit back and watch my country being hijacked in such a blatant fraudulent manner. There were 600,000 votes outstanding in AZ as of yesterday morning. They were able to work through a couple million ballots on election day but now a little more than a day later they still haven’t worked through 600,000?? Doesn’t pass the smell test, none of this does. There were more ballots counted in WI than registered voters and shockingly the Democrats found more than 700,000 votes in PA the day AFTER the election.

    This is not about counting votes, this is about stealing an election which they have been trying to do since January 21, 2017.

    I will say it again, the fact that people in MN and OR still voted Democrat after what Democrats did to them and their cities throughout 2020 convinces me there is no hope for Democrat/progressives or whatever the fuck you want to call them.

    If none of them have the intellectual capacity to see first hand how good everything was economically and with foreign policy in the first three years of Trump than it is completely pointless to have a conversation. The contrast between a Trump admin and a Biden admin can not be more distinct, yet they still blindly favor BIG incompetent corrupt government. They are loyalists, and we are the sons of liberty …. let’s act like it

    The days of unity and conversations are over.

  5. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 8:36 am

    Are we still playing pandemic? Weird how our news channels have forgotten about reporting on the deadliest virus to ever infect this country.

  6. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 8:45 am

    AZ style

    Arizona election center is forced to CLOSE as armed Trump supporters chanting ‘count the vote’ lay siege in protest at state

    Extremism in the defense of liberty is NO vice. Good for them

    The race is not yet over in Arizona as it emerged as a battleground state on Wednesday night, despite Fox News and the Associated Press already declaring a Biden victory. The state’s outcome is not looking quite so sure after mail-in ballots resulted in a surprising surge for Trump in Maricopa County, the state’s most populous district that includes Phoenix. Biden’s lead has been cut from more than 200,000 in the state to just 79,000 with still 400,000 votes to be tallied. On Wednesday night, Trump supporters descended on the Maricopa County election center, calling for all votes to correctly counted as they hope that Trump will be able to carry his current momentum through to an Arizona win. As it stands, Biden needs Arizona to win the presidency, as does Trump. The former vice president needs to carry just two more states to reach the all-important 270 electoral college seats and claim victory. The nail-biting Arizona count continued as Republicans launched legal challenges in Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia over vote counting.

    If Biden wins, does everyone think the Dems will play fair and nice leading up to the 2022 elections?? Trust me, the Dems already have a plan to steal the Senate in 2022 and then there goes our democracy. Remember, you only vote for socialism once.

    Let’s shove our will down their throats. Do not let up.

    • ricorun November 5, 2020 / 5:10 pm

      Trust me, the Dems already have a plan to steal the Senate in 2022 and then there goes our democracy.

      Perhaps so. But didn’t they have the same plan in 2020? How did that go for them? And how about 2016? That was a major success, huh?

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 6:01 pm

        Their goal was the presidency this year. In 2022 the goal will be the Senate. Not real hard to figure out rico. They are incremental. They are determined. And they are evil.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:11 pm

        Interesting tap dancing there, Richard. So now the fact that the Left’s strategy failed really means there was no strategy at all?

        Sounds like more of the “I could have won if I had tried so I didn’t really lose because I didn’t really try” kind of excuse losers love to spin.

  7. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 8:47 am

    And this did happen.

    #SharpieGate emerged on social media with Trump supporters in Maricopa, Arizona claiming their ballots are invalid because they were asked to fill them out with Sharpie markers.

    My son who wore a American flag hat to go vote, was asked to use a sharpie. He thought it was a little weird but went ahead.

  8. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 9:16 am

    Remember the feeling you had when the second plane hit the world trade center? You should have that same feeling right now.

    • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 10:26 am

      That’s exactly how I will feel under a Harris presidency.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:45 am

        Here’s how I see that playing out:

        Scenario 1: The Right, in its usual bumbling fashion without thinking too far ahead, goes after Harris’s Constitutional eligibility to be president. An originalist Court, if consistent in that philosophy, would probably rule based on the meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen AT THE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN, and not factor in any form of citizenship that did not exist at that time. If she is found ineligible, Biden gets even with us by appointing Hillary Clinton as his VP and we haven’t really gained anything.

        Scenario 2: Harris is found ineligible before a new VP is appointed, leaving us with the Speaker of the House as president.

        Scenario 3: The Right actually has a plan, for a change, and lets Harris assume the presidency and appoint her own VP—and then goes after her eligibility. Unless she has appointed Hillary as her VP we would have a better end result than Harris.

        Chances are, Harris would try to run out the Biden clock for two years, because if she takes over in the first two years that would constitute a term of office for her and she could only run one more time. But if she takes over after two years, she can finish out that term and then run twice more.

        Cluster wants armed mobs in the streets proving we can be just as big A-holes as Antifa, but I think we would be better off using the Resistance mode illustrated so well by the Loony Left, but this time based on Constitutional law and principles, to distract and harass the new administration while the Senate immobilizes it and the Court rules on efforts to use the presidency to bypass Congress.

        In the meantime, as this all plays out, in my fantasies, the Right has pulled its head out and mounted an intelligent ground game, developing a communication channel of some sort and starting to point out to Dems the tragic mistake they made by letting themselves be suckered into the belief that trivializing their vote by basing it on Orange Man Bad lies was really really stupid, so the 2022 elections can give us back the House and set us up for 2024.

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 10:52 am

        You still are of the belief you can reason with them. I am way past that point

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:09 pm

        And you are still convinced I want to reason with “them”.

        So start with defining “them”. Are you playing the Leftist collectivist game and dismissing individuals in favor of just using broad demographics?

        Then decide how many Dem voters you would need to convert to make a difference.

        Then evaluate why these people vote for Dems.

        Without those data points you are just flailing around in fury.

        If you agree with the concept of GIGO then you agree that many who vote for Dems do so becuse of the garbage they have had fed to them. It’s easy to sneer that they could find out alternative information if they wanted to—and I agree—but you have to play the cards you are dealt, and in this hand you have many millions of people making decisions that are perfectly rational given the information they have processed.

        They are not rioting. They are not spouting hatred. They are not advocating for the overthrow of the government. They are good, decent people who, no matter how misguided they are, are acting in a way that is justified by the data they are working from, We can stomp around complaining that this means they are stupid, or lazy, or whatever. Or we can change the data stream that influences their decisions.

        So how many do you need to shift to make a difference?

        Forget the radicals. Forget the haters. Screw ’em. Ignore them.

        I heard an analysis tonight on the Buck Sexton Show saying that where Kushner dropped the ball was not going out and trying to get the 44 million or so non-college-educated white men who are not registered to register to vote. If there are 90,000 of these people in Pennsylvania and a registration drive got 10% of them to register and then vote, most of them would vote for Trump.

        This is how you win. You don’t decide you need a 100% conversion rate that includes the radicals, the hard-core, the haters and the insane. No, you target smaller groups. So you target the unregistered who are likely to vote for a conservative. You target the independents, who can’t make up their minds. They have been carefully wooed by the Left and still haven’t committed to them, but there has been no serious coherent outreach from the Right. Then there are the legacy Dems who aren’t committed to Dem ideology, but can’t quite get past generational antipathy to the GOP. You nibble away a little here and a little there, sometimes from the vast undecided pool of humanity and a little from those who are superficially identified with the other side but not deeply committed.

        And you get a couple million here, and a couple million there, and pretty soon the scales start to tip.

        I have to laugh at your evident perception of me as too conciliatory. People who know me would assure you that when push comes to shove I am extremely combative. I just think you have to be smart about where to exert that combativeness and which strategies might work better.

        And I come from a different place than the rest of you. I WAS a Lib. I had to find my way out on my own, because there was literally no outreach, to effort to communicate with me or anyone like me. So my perception is that there are a lot of people as confused as I was, and that we really ought to identify them and give them a little help.

  9. Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:35 am

    Got it, cluster. GOT IT. You act as if you are the only one alarmed at what is going on in our country. But you’re not. It’s just that not everyone thinks the solution is to out-thug the thugs.

    How many years have I been complaining about GOP ineptness in politics? More than a decade, I assure you. For well over ten years I have been bemoaning the lack of focus, the lack of strategy, the inability to recognize, analyze and then adopt the tactics used by the Left to get its messaging across. For at least that long I have been complaining about our total failures in communication.

    And I have been equally vocal about our spinelessness.

    Of all of us here, I have been the most aggressive in terms of how I think we should handle rioters. Mine has been the voice arguing for the use of stink juice to permanently wreck the clothes of the rioter and also make them stink so bad no on can be around them. Mine has been the voice for tagging the instigators and then following them to their points of departure and arresting them. Mine has been the voice for herding them into tight little groups where they can be physically detained and then arrested and held for high bail on federal felony charges. I am all about the Castle Doctrine. Personally, I believe lethal force should have been used against violent rioters, and I think Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero.

    BUT….there are different aspects of this kind of war. One is the defense aspect—when armed thugs come at you or your property, shoot ’em. I have no problem with that. I have always said that once someone tries to harm me, he has voluntarily ceded any claim to mercy or tolerance from me. That is DEFENSE. As I have said, to the whines about “police brutality”, when someone is trying to kill you the most appropriate response IS brutality. As much as it takes to neutralize the threat.

    Another, and I think more important aspect, is how we handle our offense. And the fact is, most of our opponents are not armed, are not coming at us with Molotov cocktails or baseball bats or guns. Deal with the armed thugs appropriately—which, as I said, should be taking them out when and if they come after me or mine. But don’t give the unarmed morons excuses for their stupidity. This is where strategy comes in. The real danger to the nation is not from guns or thugs, it is from ideas. Bad, stupid, often vicious ideas, accepted and promulgated and put into action by stupid people. You don’t fight ideas with guns or mobs. You fight ideas in two ways: by undermining their foundations and by replacing them with better ideas.

    There are lots of lost causes. The guy channeling Carlos Danger is one. Casper is one. Screw ’em. They don’t matter and we shouldn’t waste our time on them. They are the cannon fodder of the Left, mere meat puppets, For every dedicated moronic hater there are several misguided sheeple who have been herded into stupid decisions by focused, committed ideologues with well-defined long-term strategies. These planners didn’t get where they are overnight. The International Left plays the long game, and they have been working on this for decades, for nearly a century. But the foundation of their philosophy is so fatally flawed it can be undermined, though only by an equally focused counter-strategy. And the Right has no such strategy and never has had.

    Study a little military history. Wars are won not just by killing people, but by destroying the supply lines. We bombed ball-bearing factories instead of just killing soldiers. Why? Because ball bearings were essential to the support of the enemy. Wars are not won just by killing as many people as possible, but by undermining the enemy’s ability to fight. The Left’s supply line is its ability to convince people that its bad ideas are good ideas, and an intelligent, focused and consistent attack on those ideas will disrupt the power base of the Left.

    • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 10:49 am

      It’s just that not everyone thinks the solution is to out-thug the thugs

      You have been an observant of politics as long as I, I suspect and you just can’t deny the acceleration of violence, intimidation, and corruption within the Democrat Party. No one can. They have zero interest in conversation and compromise so let’s stop pretending that they do. They showed the world who they are this summer with their violence, destruction, and lock downs and I for one am just not interested in anymore conversations with them.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 11:01 am

        you just can’t deny the acceleration of violence, intimidation, and corruption within the Democrat Party.

        You are right. And I don’t. It’s just that I dig down a little into the incremental escalation of Leftist behaviors—-which is what you are describing—and understand that without the patient and unwavering advancing of Leftist ideas, accompanied by the very effective messaging of a movement that understands and has perfected propaganda, this level of violence would not be tolerated by Democrats.

        But those Leftist ideas, when and if they are dissected and analyzed, are so fatally flawed and so contradicted by the harsh reality of history, which proves their weaknesses, can be addressed. They just can’t be addressed by impotent confused bumbling people who can’t agree on a message much less a delivery system.

        In the meantime, take a look at the new meme put forth by the Left to keep its sheeple herded into its emotional pens—that is, that the Right is violent and dangerous. Just look at the insertion of the image of implied or threatened violence in the claims that the Trump caravan escorting the Biden bus not only “tried to run the bus off the road” but that the people were ARMED! This is the new theme—that Republicans are running around with guns trying to intimidate and threaten poor innocent patriotic Americans just because they voted against Trump. What a brilliant idea, to counter this by running around armed and trying to intimidate and threaten people because they are Dems. And really, what better way to maintain support for the 2nd Amendment than making people afraid of guns.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 11:04 am

        I for one am just not interested in anymore conversations with them.

        Do you actually think I am talking about chatting with them?

        Did the Left get where they are by having conversations with people? Think it through.

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 11:25 am

        No, they got here by subverting education, the federal bureaucracies, and the media and then further exacted their revenge by locking down cities, destroying property and actually KILLING PEOPLE.

        They have already started the war. When we will acknowledge that?

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:16 pm

        So we get there by subverting their educational sabotage by pushing for school choice and actually offering an alternative instead of just bitching about it.

        So we undermine their bureaucratic advantage. For a Trump fan you don’t seem to have been paying much attention to his efforts, or successes, on that front. We just keep doing it..

        So we offer alternatives to the Agenda Media.

        But no, we don’t burn down cities or kill people or try to out-thug them. The Left can have the thugs, and the thugs can have the Left. We just offer an off-ramp from Leftist hysteria and vitriol and a road map to how to find the off ramp, and enough information to show what a better option it is. We don’t need all who are on the Left. We don’t even want them.

  10. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 11:02 am

    We are not up against people like lance and Casper, we are up against a huge massive dishonest media cabal, the military industrial complex, the ruling class, the establishment class, and the Fourth branch of the government (unelected bureaucrats). In order to win, you have properly know who the enemy is and what they are capable of. These folks have the power and the determined will to win and have proven to everyone that they will destroy property and kill people if they have to. We need to be prepared to act in kind.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:37 pm

      In order to win, you have properly know who the enemy is which is my point. There are many aspects to the Left and each has to be addressed individually.

      1. We won’t defeat the Agenda Media with mobs and violence.

      2. The military industrial complex is bureaucratic and has to be dealt with as such.

      3. The ruling class may maintain its economic clout but it depends on politics for its true influence, and politics is ideas translated into votes.

      4. The Establishment class is, again, bureaucratic in nature and has to be dealt with as such.

      5. The 4th branch of government, that of government agencies, is also bureaucratic in nature.

      The violence comes from a very small segment of the radical Left, can be contained by a strong executive branch if it is not constrained by election calculations and has to be dealt with as the separate element it is. Its support, or at least tolerance for it, is based—again—on the belief system of the sheeple, which is nothing more or less than the success of propaganda. But aside from a very few Lefties, who do things like raise bail money for rioters, most of it is just indifference to the violence, not overt support for it.

      So what do we do?

      1. We address the Agenda Media in several ways. One is to stop calling them the Mainstream Media, or even the Legacy Media—both terms imply some level of acceptance and even admiration. To the non-thinker (that is, the average Dem) the word “legacy” implies admirable history. Start immediately by attaching the term “agenda” to every single reference to them. This is the kind of thing that is key in propaganda. It’s not the big bold messages that burrow into the subconscious and eventually become part of the conscious, it’s the sly little constantly repeated themes.

      2. The military industrial complex is controlled by funding of the military, which would mean careful attention to the shadow funding which hides money in shadow bills and accounts. I don’t think this is as strong as it used to be, and it won’t recover unless or until a Dem president gets us into more military conflicts,.

      3. The ruling class gets its power, such as it is, through the power of money. We can’t change that.

      4 The establishment class is political. Trump showed us how to erode the power of the establishment class on the Right, and carefully applied thoughtful tactics can do the same to the Left. But again, this is idea-based, not gun-based.

      5. Trump has shown us two ways to rein in the agency overreaches allowed over the years—he has slashed the sizes of many federal agencies and diminished the political power of two of them, so far, by taking them out of the Beltway and putting them in the Heartland.

      There may be fleeting visceral pleasure in scaring or hurting those who scare and hurt us, but in the long run it is counterproductive. I contend that physical violence must remain reactive. At that point it should be so strong and emphatic it swamps the initiators of the violence, but it should always be reaction to violence started by the other side. That is the only way to maintain the higher moral ground.

      • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:53 pm

        2. The military industrial complex is bureaucratic and has to be dealt with as such.

        Speaking of which, did you see that James Mattis is back on the board of General Dynamics. What a horrible disappointment he is. Someone should rescind his nickname.

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 3:17 pm

        it should be so strong and emphatic it swamps the initiators of the violence, but it should always be reaction to violence started by the other side

        Do you mean like this?

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 3:19 pm

        Or how about this

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:20 pm

        Now you’re just fighting for the sake of fighting. How many times do I have to say I think violence should be met with greater violence?

        Go on and form a mob and start burning down Dem campaign offices and shooting Dems in the street, if that is what it will take to make you feel better. Lots of so-called conservatives revert to Leftist tactics or agendas and pretend they are the opposite of Leftism when it is really just two sides of the same coin.

  11. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 11:27 am

    What a brilliant idea, to counter this by running around armed and trying to intimidate and threaten people because they are Dems.

    And yet no one had the same concern about CHAD and the armed resistance Democrats waged this summer in Seattle.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:42 pm

      That doesn’t even make sense.

      The violence in Seattle was, Constitutionally, in the legal arena of state and local governments. They had the legal options of how to deal with it. They chose to condone it. Trying to override their legal authority with armed militias would have been stupid and counterproductive.

      We have to be very careful to keep our emotions from leading or pushing us into the same mentality of the Left—that is, that it is OK to use force to impose our own principles on others.

      • ricorun November 5, 2020 / 5:22 pm

        We have to be very careful to keep our emotions from leading or pushing us into the same mentality of the Left—that is, that it is OK to use force to impose our own principles on others.

        Perhaps the best argument for the right to choose I’ve heard. 🙂

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 6:10 pm

        that it is OK to use force to impose our own principles on others.

        But that is exactly what has happened all throughout history, even the revolutionary war. Our principles of freedom were imposed upon the colonists who had remained loyalists. The loyalists didn’t want independence, but we imposed it upon them. You have to fight for your way of life whether that choice be freedom or not … there will always be a confrontational resistance.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:22 pm

        Yet the phrase “right to choose” really refers to the total lack of choice by the one person most affected by this “choice” and is really just a platitude to try to excuse the most violent imposition of will there is—the taking of a human life for personal gain.

  12. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 11:29 am

    take a look at the new meme put forth by the Left to keep its sheeple herded into its emotional pens—that is, that the Right is violent and dangerous. Just look at the insertion of the image of implied or threatened violence in the claims that the Trump caravan escorting the Biden bus not only “tried to run the bus off the road” but that the people were ARMED!

    After what we witnessed and lived through this summer, this is your concern??

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 12:47 pm

      I am smart enough to see new weapons being developed in the arsenal of Leftist propaganda, and to realize how potent they can be.

      When you have a meme developing that conservatives are dangerous and intent on using violence to intimidate and even harm Democrats, I fail to see any wisdom in proving this to be accurate.

      You seem very determined to pretend that I am a pacifist, an appeaser. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. I merely point out the fact that it is profoundly foolish to play into the hands of Leftist propaganda by proving it right.

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 12:57 pm

        I don’t consider you an appeaser. I think of you as John Adams and myself as Sam Adams. I want people like you to govern as soon as people like me clean the slate.

  13. Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:07 pm

    Something weird is going on. The stock market normally hates uncertainty, but the DJIA is up nearly 2,300 points since last Friday. I can’t imagine the forces driving the spike are enthusiastic about a potential Harris presidency.

    • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 12:16 pm

      Trump won fair and square on election day, let’s pray that result holds. I have probably worn out my welcome here B4V but I have zero patience left with people who have actively subverted my country over the last 20 years. And of whom still think we are deplorable people:

      MSNBC’s Joy Reid: Close election shows widespread ‘racism, anti-blackness, anti-wokeness’ in America

      I no longer care to share a country with people like this. If Trump retains office I think we can make some more progress towards preserving our Republic, if not, the Biden admin will go to work on day 1 to steal the Senate in 2022 and then our country is lost. That’s where we’re at.

      • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:25 pm

        I have probably worn out my welcome here B4V

        Not with me you haven’t. I love your passion, however, If I read about a certain realtor in Phoenix being arrested for shooting up a Democrat headquarters, I’m going to be deeply disappointed, heh.

      • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 12:31 pm

        They won’t take me alive Spook lol

      • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:41 pm

        Forgive me if I’ve posted it hear before, but my favorite T-shirt reflects your attitude.

        I’m torn between joining you at the barricades and knowing, deep down, that we have to continue to try to convince people on the other side who are not violent that their party has sold them a bill of goods, and would like nothing more than to use them as cannon fodder. Until such time as they begin shooting at me in Whitley County, Indiana, I’m going to pursue the peaceful route.

  14. Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:15 pm

    Good analysis of the situation in Wisconsin over at Gateway Pundit. Turns out the reports that the number of votes in Wisconsin exceeded the number or registered voters are false. Great catch, Lance.//sarc However, that’s not actually far from the truth.

  15. Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 12:47 pm

    Glenn Beck just made a profound statement on his radio show. He said, “prior to this election, we didn’t know how many people would embrace Marxism — now we know.” And I would add: it’s a large, scary number. Now I know we’re probably going to get a few trolls saying, “Joe Biden isn’t a Marxist.” No, but the people pulling his strings are. He’s just the king of useful idiots.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:26 pm

      I disagree, only because most of the people voting for Biden have no idea what a “Marxist” is, or stands for.

      Who’s going to define it for them to explain its inherent brutality and tyranny? Not the Left, because this has to be hidden behind a smoke screen of feel-good platitudes. Not the Right, because we have the communication skills of fence posts.

      • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 10:51 pm

        I may not have worded it right. I think what Beck meant was not that 70 million people voted for Marxism but that they voted for the Trojan Horse for Marxism, and when the Marxists gain control after Biden has stepped down for health reasons, many will just accept it as a natural progression of things. I didn’t mean to imply (and neither did Beck) that we’re at the point where we willingly elect a Marxist.

  16. Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 1:06 pm

    Not seeing this reported anywhere else yet, but Stu on Glenn Beck’s radio show, right before the end of the third hour, said, with 19 races still undecided, Republicans are +10 in House races and leading in 10 of the remaining 19 races. Kind of confirms my prediction from a few days ago. Control of the House is, while not probable, not out of the realm of possibilities. If the remaining races go as trending, the Democrat majority will be the smallest in nearly a century. It’s looking like divine providence is helping with checks and balances.

  17. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 1:08 pm

    Has Trump denounced white supremacy this morning? Asking for a friend.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:27 pm

      He has also not denounced, as that great parody of a Dem commercial pointed out, cannibalism or Ted Bundy.

  18. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 1:17 pm

    Rush just had a great point. If Dancing with the Stars can count 135 million votes in 5 minutes, why does it take our election commission several days to count a few hundred thousand.

    This all fraudulent.

  19. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 1:53 pm

    Fox just reported that PA is “still waiting for votes to come in” ….. how many of you are comfortable with that statement? Kind of like that second plane hitting the tower.

  20. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 1:58 pm


    Did everyone hear the Fulton County news conference??? They have more ballots to count and waiting for more to come in AND they are now determining voter “INTENT” meaning if the ballot is unclear, they will decide what the what the voters intent was.

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:28 pm

      The whole Florida 2000 debacle came down to the same thing—interpreting ballots and trying to decide intent. It was crooked then and it is crooked now.

  21. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 2:00 pm

    Nothing here to worry about folks ….

    Allegheny County, PA still has 35,413 uncounted mail-in ballots, but elections staff is taking today off for “administrative work” and will not resume count until Friday. “I can’t get an answer as to why,” says @bethanyhallam, a member of county elections board.

    • Retired Spook November 5, 2020 / 2:05 pm

      I can give her an answer.

      • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:30 pm

        We all know the answer. It takes time to print and fill out ballots.

  22. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 4:00 pm

    Has anyone heard from AG Barr? I would think he should have a role in this but he remains suspiciously quiet.

  23. Cluster November 5, 2020 / 6:15 pm

    Ponder this for a moment. Obama never won GA but the Democrats want us to believe that Biden did. Makes sense. Right?

    • Cluster November 5, 2020 / 6:25 pm

      It’s called FRAUD fuckface

    • Amazona November 5, 2020 / 10:30 pm

      Now, now, Cluster. That’s a little harsh. Why not engage in some compassionate outreach to Carlos? Like maybe send him a mirror. And some scissors.

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