Open Thread

Right below “House GOP” in 2020 winners is CNN – because Fox is imploding. And, hey: if you want MSM lies, might as well go with the pros – Fox is completely amateur at it.

Noah Rothman has a bit of disdain for the notion of a “working class” GOP. I suspect this stems from Noah not knowing a lot of working class people. But it is where we have to go: if we can’t get working class people on our side, we can’t win long term. We found over the previous 20 years where reliance on upper class white suburbanites got us: nowhere. In fact, it forced us into gradual retreat as keeping upper class whites means we ceded all things Conservative except low tax rates. Meanwhile, Trump is now past 73,000,000 votes. This is 12 million more votes than Romney got in 2012. Twelve million. We play this right, and the GOP nominee in 2024 will push towards 80 million votes. So, yeah: heck with white suburbanites.

Here’s what I think happened vote fraud-wise: Team Biden thought they were good based on Vote By Mail and Early Voting numbers…but then Team Trump’s Election Day vote starting coming in like a tsunami: they pushed the panic button. They stopped counting in the deep blue cities in the swing States and simply stuffed the boxes for all they were worth. Flaw in the plan: they did so much fraud that it is easy to detect. All that remains to be seen is if Team Trump can sufficiently prove it.

In Georgia, they claimed a burst pipe forced them to stop counting. This is a lie. But, you already knew that: because after they stopped and then started, all of a sudden a huge Trump win turned into a narrow Biden victory. It was like that PA, GA, WI, MI. Trump won: Democrats stole.

‘Rona panic is being revived in a big way. I can’t but think that the desire to take attention off the election is driving this.

The Arizona SecState who is in charge of the vote count thinks Trump’s base of voters is neo-Nazis. Seventy three million neo-Nazis. Which includes record numbers of Jews, gays, blacks and, believe it or not, Muslims. Now, as she thinks we’re Nazis, how could she not cheat? After all, wouldn’t you cheat to get Hitler out of power?

100 thoughts on “Open Thread

    • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 2:08 pm

      Well bless your profane little heart

      • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 2:10 pm


  1. Amazona November 16, 2020 / 2:06 pm

    One of the things that deeply offends me is the bland acceptance of the claim that “So, yeah, these people did this thing wrong and those votes shouldn’t be counted but none of this will change the outcome so let it go, no harm no foul.” I say yes, there IS harm, and there IS a foul.

    When a state legislature says that no vote information can be revealed before the official count begins on Election Day but Democrat operatives in the early counting start calling Democrat voters to tell them their ballots are defective so they can get them “cured” that is a violation of the law. Period. It should not be forgiven, or overlooked, or ignored.

    When Republican poll watchers are denied their legal right to observe ballot handling and ballot counting, that IS important, no matter how many ballots are supposedly involved.

    What I am hearing the Left, and too many who are ostensibly on the Right, say is that we should just let this kind of illegal activity, election manipulation, voter fraud and general criminality go unchecked, because in THIS election they claim that the numbers are too small “to make a difference” and that it just isn’t worth pursuing.

    The Left did not arrive at its current dangerous level of power all at once—it took incremental advancement, allowed by the indifferent or the spineless or the ignorant, to gradually gain a little here and a little there until we find ourselves where we are now, on the precipice of having the rabidly radical Left run our government.

    • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 2:13 pm

      After John Durham dropped his investigation last week despite the many provable and known crimes committed by those being investigated, I am losing Faith in these prosecutors and their “bombshells”

      If Sydney does not produce substantial evidence this week then she will be in the same category and we are all screwed and being lied to.

      I am tired of talk. We need to see action

      • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 3:12 pm

        And just what “action” would you like to see?

      • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 3:35 pm

        There is a creepy slightly Timothy MvVeigh vibe to a lot of your emoting lately. Sometimes I wonder if the archives of this blog might someday be called into evidence for something.

      • Retired Spook November 16, 2020 / 3:51 pm

        Amazona, in all fairness, I and almost every patriotic person I know (especially guys) has the same thoughts as Cluster. We’re frustrated and angry at seeing our Republic potentially slip down a dark hole, knowing that we may be approaching a time when we will, as Sidney Powell said, release the Kraken. H. L. Mencken described it best:

        Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.

      • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 6:04 pm

        Also I have a hunch that Amazona is smarter than you and I combined Spook so I can understand her hesitance when reading some of my more “violence” prone posts lol

      • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 4:36 pm

        Here’s what is absolutely mystifying to me …. the Left has literally burnt down buildings, destroyed small businesses and yes, even killed some people but if we on the right get a little worked up over all that and maybe use foul language, we are told to calm down, don’t use such “inflammatory language”, and then they become worried that we are the violent ones.

        It’s truly unbelievable.

      • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 8:21 pm

        So, I ask again: what kind of action?

        I think I am as patriotic as anyone, so don’t go there.

        I just think it is, to put it bluntly, dumb to hand the opposition ammunition to use against you. I’m not worried about “inflammatory language” but about the strategy, when winning the hearts and minds of the squishy middle is essential to long-term victory, of sounding like Timothy McVeigh. It’s not that I am an appeaser, or worried about hurting the feelings of the fragile on the Left or drawing fire from the more militant of those people.

        I’m just more of a cards-close-to-the-vest quietly planning and then executing kind of person, not a running around yelling how much hell I plan to rain down kind. Say you want to send in a special ops team to take over a Dominion warehouse and confiscate voting machines for analysis and I might think that sounded pretty good.

        But quite honestly, I don’t know what kind of overt action/violence could be brought into play right now. or what it would accomplish other than to let off a lot of steam.

        Let the Left shoot itself in its collective foot (see that pun there?) by threatening violence if it doesn’t get its own way. That’s their territory and the more they play that card the more people shy away from them.

  2. Cluster November 16, 2020 / 2:09 pm

    Here is what Covid is all about

    • Retired Spook November 16, 2020 / 2:14 pm

      That’s definitely a candidate for the YCMTSU file.

      • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 3:19 pm

        And we are supposed to believe that the pandemic just happened, not that we were just dealing with a particularly nasty virus that was then used to terrify and manipulate hundreds of millions of people and get them used to depending on the government to make it all better.

        And that strategy worked. According to exit polls, enough brain-dead morons voted for Biden because they didn’t think Trump “did enough” to conquer the virus to swing the election. One thing the Left continually proves is that it is impossible to underestimate the intelligence of about half the country, which bought into the ridiculous idea that a head of state could control a virus if he only did some vague unstated right thing that Trump didn’t do.

        BTW, doesn’t Trudeau remind you of the Snidely Whiplash kind of oily villain in old silent movies?

  3. Cluster November 16, 2020 / 3:47 pm

    And just what “action” would you like to see?

    Uh Oh, Amazona thinks I’m unhinged and violent lol

    The “action” I want to see is the documented PROOF presented to the public and the courts and a decision to be made THIS WEEK. In other words … ACTION. I am tired of all the “bombshells” and the bluster and the talk, talk, talk.

    Everyone knows Comey and McCabe altered and lied on FISA warrants but yet NOTHING is done. No one is ever held to account. In other words, NO ACTION.

    Here Sydney and others claim that they have undeniable proof of criminal voting irregularities but if nothing is done, and all we get is more talk and bluster this week, then this country is OVER.

    • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 5:57 pm

      Isn’t that interesting because that’s exactly what happened with Mueller, Brennan, McCabe etc and Russia collusion. On TV they said they had documented evidence but in court under oath they admitted they had nothing.

      Is this the type of country you want to live in? Or is this level of ruling class deception ok with you?

    • Cluster November 16, 2020 / 7:15 pm

      Oh please … you are a bought and sold apparatchik. Every “conviction” or entrapment levied in this case had nothing to do with the actual charge of Russia collusion because there was never anything to it. The entire world knows that. FISA warrants were illegally obtained against a US citizen and no one has been held to account. Even McCabe recently admitted that he would have done things differently in hindsight and yet here you are parroting the media narrative. What a joke.

      Speaking of a POTUS being above the law, are you ok with the Biden family’s side deals with foreign countries? And it really doesn’t matter if or how you answer because I could not care less what you think and won’t respond.

    • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 8:43 pm

      I am totally in agreement with you about being tired of the tap dancing and wanting to see proof. I don’t doubt that there is proof, and I don’t argue about the strategy of waiting till there is enough, and in enough detail, to be compelling….I just wish they were moving faster. We don’t have time to have a partisan judge play the “that’s just not enough proof” game and then go back to the table to gather more. We have to have it all nailed down.

      The SCOTUS’s job is not to rule on the facts but merely on the law—did the lower court rule properly on the law in question? So our side has to have such a body of evidence, and proof, that a judge ruling against it has to clearly be ruling in contradiction of the law.

      I am hoping the Trump team is focusing more on the law and not on the results. Republican observers of the vote count WERE kept from doing what they are legally allowed to do. There are plenty of examples of that. It happened. Whether the game was to make watchers stay so far away they couldn’t see anything or to say the count was ended till morning and then start it up again after they left, it happened. Votes WERE switched—we saw for ourselves as the vote totals flipped with votes taken out of the Trump column and put in the Biden column. Not only that, but the system had been examined, criticized and rejected within the past two years, yet some election boards ignored this and still went ahead and used them. Why?

      I think that any state in which blatant lawbreaking took place, like interfering with observation of vote counting, should not be allowed to certify its votes. Period. Any state in which it can be proved that ANY votes were flipped should not be allowed to certify its votes. Period. Any state which did not follow the laws set forth by its legislature should not be allowed to certify its votes. Period. Any state which did not even take the basic precaution of comparing ballot envelope signatures to voter registration signatures should not be allowed to certify its votes. Period. Any state which treated any category of voters differently than any other category of voters should not be allowed to certify its votes. Period.

      Let the disenfranchised voters in those states deal with the people who created the problems. Let those people be fired, fined, sued, or whatever. They had a serious responsibility and they failed. Not our problem.

      • Amazona November 16, 2020 / 9:13 pm

        I asked why these states chose a system that had been tested and rejected, and slammed even by top Democrat voices like the NYT.

        Well, this might be an answer:

        Powell stated whistleblowers came forward over alleged paybacks. She said in states where the new election technology was purchased and implemented, there’s evidence of officials’ family members being paid large lump sums of money.

  4. Retired Spook November 16, 2020 / 7:30 pm

    Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

    Bill Maher hits Democrats with sobering reality check on why that promised ‘blue wave’ never happened.

    ‘Democrats too often don’t come across as having common sense to a huge swath of Americans’

  5. Amazona November 16, 2020 / 11:36 pm

    I’ve been driving a lot and listening to podcasts, including one about true crime. That one has reminded me that often people are found guilty, and convicted and sentenced, based on circumstantial evidence. That is, under the law, when the body of evidence reaches a certain point there doesn’t need to be a body, literally or figuratively, to conclude that a crime has been committed and who committed it.

    One thing I have noticed in this election fraud situation is that the Left is working very hard to conflate “evidence” with “proof”. They are not the same thing. We have abundant evidence of wrongdoing in so many places, in so many ways, that now we just have to tie it all together with the kind and level of hard absolute proof that even the partisans can’t deny it.

    The Left hung its hat, for four years, on very flimsy “evidence” that depended almost wholly on interpretation of a event. Some people interpreted Trump’s phone call to Ukraine in a certain way, then assigned an invented motive to it, and claimed this was proof of wrongdoing. Of course, it was silly and petty and transparently just an effort to injure him, but it also gave us some insight into the twisted thought processes of blind hatred.

    Now we are seeing the obverse: denial of objective evidence, which does not depend on applying a personal interpretation of an event or an assignment of an invented motive. What happened, happened. Events were witnessed, and testified to, and these events represent various ways in which laws were broken to try to influence an election. So now the Left is trying new evasions—there was not enough fraud to matter, or merely counting votes without witnesses is not proof that they were improperly counted, and such nonsense. And often their trolls and meat puppets just resort to attacking the witnesses, or the people who find fraud important no matter who is affected or how extensive it is.

  6. Cluster November 17, 2020 / 8:37 am

    The problem with Democrats is that the the level of their dishonesty and authoritarian tendencies are overwhelming. Did you hear what WA Gov. Inslee has decreed? If not, take a listen and know that there is zero science to support these actions but they do continue to frighten the population and make them more compliable which is the ultimate goal.

    • Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 9:55 am

      I saw this clip on Fox last night. The guy is a nutjob. I’m not big on making predictions, but I will not be surprised is Conservatives adopt the mostly Progressive tactic of civil disobedience in coming months.

      • Amazona November 17, 2020 / 10:03 am

        I suggest that merely ignoring unconstitutional laws, which I define as civil disobedience, is not quite the same thing as violent rejection of laws, which is the Progressive tactic.

        I’m seeing some of this in Colorado, as more people ignore the “masks required” signs in stores. Not a lot yet, but more all the time. Or tepid nods to the edict by wearing masks that barely cover the mouth and chin, or loose bandannas like old-time bandits. And when it comes to personal life in homes, I doubt that anyone is going to pay much attention to these tinpot tyrants.

        In Wyoming I am seeing the corporate efforts at mask mandates being widely ignored and locally owned businesses not even bothering.

      • Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 10:29 am

        I suggest that merely ignoring unconstitutional laws, which I define as civil disobedience, is not quite the same thing as violent rejection of laws, which is the Progressive tactic.

        I see your point, although Progressives haven’t ALWAYS been violent, even though they’ve had a virtual monopoly on violence as a political tactic. The civil disobedience I envision from Conservatives is, as you’ve stated, simply ignoring unconstitutional laws. In places like Wyoming, and to an only slightly lesser extent, Indiana, law enforcement, especially in more rural areas, will likely shrug and walk away. In large metro areas, Conservatives will be arrested.

  7. Cluster November 17, 2020 / 8:55 am

    AND it begins:

    Mitch McConnell publicly opposed the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Iraq on Monday. McConnell stressed that U.S. troops played a limited role in the Middle East, but a quick departure could ’embolden the Taliabn’ and endanger allies. He added that a rapid withdrawal could be ‘humiliating,’ like the U.S.’s removal from Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War. Reports said President Trump was set to order more U.S. troops home in the coming weeks, leaving just 2,500 in each country. Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper last week, and an exodus has occurred at the Pentagon.

    The Military Industrial Complex is not happy unless they are killing people overseas for no reason other than to keep the funding coming in, and elected Republicans and Democrats are in full support. This is just another reason why the Fourth branch of government wants Trump gone.

  8. Amazona November 17, 2020 / 9:53 am

    This is a perfect example of Agenda Media run wild: From CNN

    Trump has refused to concede the election and continues to make false claims of widespread voter fraud with no evidence. Judges have repeatedly dismissed flimsy lawsuits claiming fraud, pointing out that there has been no proof.

    The voter suits had reflected a pipe dream of Trump’s since his loss of the presidency became clear.

    The editorializing and insertion of bias are so blatant, CNN can’t possibly be considered an actual news source. All the more reason to hope someone buys it. Rumors are that its parent company, AT&T, is having financial problems and thinking of selling CNN, which is foundering, losing market share as it plunges into its death spiral of TDS “reporting”.

    Also, judges do not rule on fact, only on law. No trial has to prove its case before going in front of a jury.

  9. Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 10:51 am

    I suspect by now everyone has seen the video with Dr. Shiva and two other data analysts in which they detail their statistical analysis of the votes in 5 counties in Michigan. Four of the counties were predominantly Republican registered voters and the 5th, Wayne (Detroit) was overwhelmingly Democrat registered voters. The analysts plotted the votes from all precincts in these 5 counties, with the distribution plotted on an X/Y axis according to the number of GOP registered voters in each precinct. The only thing odd about the vote distribution in Wayne County was that Trump over-performed (which reflected his receiving a higher percentage of minority vote than any president since Nixon). The disturbing thing about the GOP counties (and they all exhibited the same pattern) was that, as the concentration of Republicans in a precinct got higher, Trump’s percentage of the vote got lower. Given his approval rate among Republicans has hovered in the 90’s for his entire presidency, the results were not just improbable, but statistically impossible. I’m betting this is the thrust of the legal challenge by the Trump legal team and why they’ve essentially dropped their lawsuits challenging “voter” fraud. If this was done across the country in all the states that used Dominion software, the shift of votes from Trump to Biden would make the actual voter fraud (dead people voting, people voting more than once, ballot harvesting, etc.) seem like a rounding error. If the truth prevails, I’m betting the end result will be a Trump landslide, not just in the Electoral College but in the popular vote as well.

    • Cluster November 17, 2020 / 11:06 am

      Trump was well on his way to a huge electoral win when the counting stopped because corrupt election officials realized that the overwhelming votes coming in for Trump could not be undermined by simple ballot counting and harvesting …. hence the Dominion voting machines and the algorithms that then kicked in and started transferring vote totals, or eliminating votes altogether.

      For the preservation of our Republic we had better get to the bottom of it all because nothing about this is right.

      • Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 11:30 am

        I keep going back to the statement by Eric Coomer, VP of Strategy and Security (and also a shareholder) for Dominion on his Facebook page, “Don’t worry; Trump is not going to win — I’ve got this.” He’s scrubbed all of his stupid, self-incriminating comments from social media, but not before one of the good guys got screen shots. For those of you who haven’t seen it, it’s all detailed in this interview by Michelle Malkin.

    • Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 3:02 pm

      The disturbing thing about the GOP counties (and they all exhibited the same pattern) was that, as the concentration of Republicans in a precinct got higher, Trump’s percentage of the vote got lower.

      Just to expand on this a bit, my recollection is that Dr. Shiva and his associates identified something like 138,000 votes in those 4 Michigan counties that were shifted from Trump to Biden, and I got to thinking, that’s a long ways from the “millions” descrkibed by Sidney Powell. But, stick with me here — Trump won 3,000 counties across the country in 2016. I don’t know how many of those counties are in the 29 states that use Dominion software, but for the sake of illustration, let’s say 58% (29 is 58% of 50) or 1,740. What if 10% of those counties (174) have an election official who is a never-Trumper who utilized the vote shifting feature. 174 times 34,500 (the average of the 4 counties in Michigan) equals 6,003,000 votes. What would a shift of 6 million votes do to the popular vote totals? Biden would drop to 72 million and Trump would increase to 79 million. Voila – landslide!

    • Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 4:01 pm

      Excellent article. Like you say, hard to pick a favorite part, but this stuck out to me:

      This same unjustifiable lack of perspective used to prevent holding those in power accountable for their decisions while generating hysteria over comparatively irrelevant enemies is employed endlessly in order to shift attention away from the collective enormities of news corporations who are themselves unquestionably more responsible for inciting violence and endangering lives than anyone they have coordinated to defame.

    • Cluster November 17, 2020 / 4:14 pm

      Exactly, and the endless news cycle is great cover for them because they broadcast so much crap it’s hard for everyone to keep track of it all.

      Sydney Powell:

      We’re fixin’ to overturn the results of the election in multiple states, and President Trump won by not just hundreds of thousands of votes but by millions of votes that were shifted by this software that was designed expressly for that purpose… We have so much evidence I feel like it’s coming in through a fire hose.”

      My gut tells me she is right, and I pray she is.

  10. Retired Spook November 17, 2020 / 11:59 am

    Hard to believe that, 2 weeks post election, there are still 6 House races not called.

    I’ve bolded the disturbing parts of the breakdown:

    The wizards at the Cook Political Report have now “called” 429 of 435 U.S. House races. Democrats have won 221 seats in the 117th Congress, while Republicans have won 208, narrowing the Democratic majority, with six races still undecided. Here’s a brief overview of the outstanding contests:

    CA-21: Democrat trying to win comeback
    In this San Joaquin Valley district that runs from Fresno to Bakersfield, former Republican congressman David Valadeo has a 1,895 vote lead over the Democrat who upset him in 2018, T.J. Cox. California is accepting mail ballots postmarked by Election Day until November 20, and some of the vote is likely to be from a Democratic stronghold, so the race has not been called.

    Side note: How would anyone know that ballots coming in up to 17 days after the election are “likely to be from a Democratic stronghold?”

    CA-25: A special election rematch
    This highly competitive district that includes portions of Ventura and Los Angeles County was wrested away by Democrat Katie Hill in 2018, and then won back by Republican Mike Garcia in a May 2020 special election when Hill resigned following a scandal over an alleged relationship with a campaign staffer. The Democrat that Garcia defeated, Christy Smith, is now locked in a very close race, with the Garcia leading by 104 votes and with mail ballots still trickling in.

    IA-02: Recount pending
    Democratic Congressman Dave Loebsack left his seat in southeastern Iowa open this year. Republican Mariannette Miller-Meeks leads Democrat Rita Hart by 47 votes, with recounts underway in at least one and probably then in other counties in the district. Miller-Meeks has claimed victory but it’s far too close to be called. Republicans have already flipped one House seat in Iowa this year.

    NJ-07: A dwindling Democratic lead
    Set in an affluent but increasingly diverse area of northern New Jersey, the 7th is one of those suburban districts flipped by Democrats in 2018, when Tom Malinowski defeated incumbent Republican Leonard Lance handily. This year Malinowski was challenged by Thomas Kean Jr., son of the former New Jersey governor. Although Malinowski has consistently led the count since Election Day, his lead is dwindling as votes come in: he is now up by 4,969 votes.

    NY-02: Waiting on mail ballots
    One of two New York contests left undecided by the state’s extremely slow timetable for counting mail ballots, this Republican-held open seat on Long Island’s South Shore (long held by Peter King) was a target for Democrats, with Jackie Gordon challenging Andrew Garbarino. The Republican has a 53,077 vote lead, but an estimated 20 percent of the vote — expected to skew heavily Democratic — is still out.

    NY-22: A rematch snarled in court
    An upstate New York district in which Democrat Andrew Brindisi narrowly defeated Republican incumbent Claudia Tenney in 2018 featured a rematch this year. A slow count of mail ballots that will likely tilt Democratic has been complicated by court challenges of the count by both candidates. Tenney currently leads by 9,729 votes.


    The good news is Republicans are leading in 5 of the 6. If that holds the Dem’s margin in the House would be 222 – 213. Can you say “gridlock?”

    • Amazona November 18, 2020 / 7:37 pm

      How would anyone know that ballots coming in up to 17 days after the election are “likely to be from a Democratic stronghold?”

      Perhaps based on historical data showing that late votes seem to be for Democrats, after they find out how many votes they need to overcome a Republican lead.

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