Ban the Lies or America Dies

How can we survive without the truth? That is the central question and problem of our times.

As President Trump continues his efforts to stop the steal, the thing that shines out most glaringly is how many lies are generated, so fast and so brazenly. It really is astonishing: plenty of people have unearthed the direct quotes of people who in 2019 – you know, last year – were saying that the Russians hacked the 2016 election and flipped votes from Hillary to Trump who are now saying Trump’s efforts are an affront to Democracy as there is simply no way – at all – that anyone committed fraud in 2020. What set me off this morning was a Blue Check journalist talking about how she and her cohorts in “reality based journalism” must fight tooth and nail against Trump’s lies about 2020 fraud. This goes beyond lack of self awareness and flips right on in to flat out liar.

Another thing which set me off was a journalist (the usual Blue Check, CNN contributor sort) who, in response to the federal execution of an inmate, decided to point out that the jury which convicted the man was all white. I won’t link to the story of the man who was executed – the less said about him, the better – you can look it up. If you do, the first thing you’ll think after reading the particulars of the case is that an all black jury would have fried him as well. The journalist put up a picture of the convict at his most smiling and harmless looking; to build up in your mind sympathy for this poor, black man killed by Trump’s racist AmeriKKKa. In other words, just another pack of lies which the guy knew was a pack of lies when he uttered it…but he’s gonna keep on working for CNN.

On and on it goes like that – lies and then contradictory lies said by the same people without shame. How are we supposed to even function? How can we make any sort of rational policy choices if every issue is hedged in by lies?

For the first time, I really understand why our ancestors burned heretics at the stake. We look back upon it in horror because we believe that the free exchange of ideas – any ideas – is inherently good. Well, not so sure about that any longer. What the Inquisitors were trying to do was not increase cruelty but to protect a society which was built upon certain dogmas asserted to be true in all cases. We now live in a society where the dogmas which built it now have to compete with complete fabrications. How’s that working out for us?

The American Dogma, as it were, is that we are created equal with an inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. None of these assertions are capable of proof. They are dogmas as unprovable as the doctrine of the Trinity. We asserted them as self-evident Truth and then proceeded to create a set of laws based upon the assertions. All of our rights are based on our asserted truths – none of them have any force if any of the assertions are untrue. And over the past century we have allowed people to exist in the United States who say these assertions are not self-evident truths. We have allowed heretics to convert us. That is, we allowed liars to dispute what we hold as self evidently true. We may as well have provided a seat at the table for people who hold that the Earth is flat.

Those who lie should not have a place at the table. It cannot be. If it is allowed, then the liars will triumph over us. The guy who says there isn’t an inherent right to life – and so abortion and euthanasia are good – is the same guy who will also assert there are 57 genders and that white people are inherently racist and so on. Lies cannot coexist with Truth. Either it becomes all lies, or all truth. They are very exclusive clubs. And if we are to survive – not as America, but as merely civilized human beings – then we are going to have to ban lies. We are going to have to find the courage to say, at long last, “no”.

We can start with something simple: a ban on the propagation of Nazi and Marxist ideology. But we must start, and all the lies must be forced out. Yes, this will take amendment to the Constitution (or revolution; or both) but it is a necessity. The Liberal idea that all ideas must compete has proven itself to be wrong: all that does is allow the worst ideas to gain traction: mostly because they offer easy profit to those who subscribe to them and allow those who envy to dress up their sin as a quest for justice. It all has to go.

Many, I know, will recoil from this. It is so outside our experience. But you can’t win an argument with a liar: he’ll just come up with a new lie as soon as you dispose of his first. Liars are like that, you see? Only by saying to the liar, “you may not speak your lie”, can you stop him.

The bottom line is that any idea which contests with our self-evident truths has to go. If an idea can’t be reconciled with our being Created Equal and having a Creator; with our having an inherent right to life, to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then it must be banned in the United States. The law gets enacted and then if anyone is charged with propagating ideas contrary to our dogmas, we leave it up to a jury to decide if that is the case. But the ideas which are contrary must be banned. Not allowed. Forbidden. Not in our schools and libraries; not in our movies and TV shows. Gone. Out. Only mentioned, if at all, to point out how they are laughably false because they contradict what we know to be self-evidently true.

Tolerance brought us to the point where a man will keep his MSM job even if he directly contradicts what he said before. So, let’s have a little bit of intolerance until we can at least expect a man to say the same thing, twice.

39 thoughts on “Ban the Lies or America Dies

  1. Retired Spook November 22, 2020 / 3:16 pm

    All of us lie. I told some doozies when I was young, but, by the time I’d reached adulthood my moral compass became more sharply focused, and my lies settled into the, “no-dear,-those-pants don’t-make-you-look-fat category. I can’t even remember the last time I told a lie to avoid consequences for doing something I shouldn’t have, and I can’t recall EVER telling a lie to gain power or control over someone else, which I think is generally the kind of lie you’re talking about.

    John Adams said of the Constitution:

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    And that, in a nutshell, is the problem we face; a good percentage, maybe even a majority of Americans are neither religious nor moral. Prosecuting them is going to be a monumental task, and likely preceded by some sort of violent confrontation.

    • Mark Noonan November 22, 2020 / 5:09 pm

      I think Lincoln first identified the problem when he gave a speech wherein he noted that while we had started out by saying that all men are created equal, we had progressed to say that “all men are created equal, except negroes”. He then expected us to continue down that path and say that “all men are created equal, except negroes and Catholics and foreigners.”. Except for his own diligent efforts, that is precisely where we were heading. Allowing lies to take hold was headed off, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dead. The next time the lies started to show up, in the early 20th century, no real effort was made to swat them down. Here we are in the 21st and the lies are predominant and speaking the truth can get you fired from your job – not too long before you’ll be arrested for having the temerity to speak the truth.

      But some time between now and me being arrested for saying some thing true, I do believe we’ll have a breakdown entirely. I got into a Twitter dispute with a couple guys I like and respect – they are of the opinion that Trump should hang it up, that some of the accusations being made strain credulity. And, yeah: some of them do. But we spent $37 million and three years looking into the patently false (and obviously false from the first moment) Trump-Russia Collusion story. The guys who made that whopper up don’t get to say “your accusation is so ridiculous that it must be dismissed”. Neither does anyone else get to say it – even if one say things casting doubt on Trump-Russia, the fact that it was allowed to happen means that the rule now is every accusation is assumed to be true until proven otherwise. It isn’t a smart rule. It isn’t a good rule. But it is the rule they created: and now we either live by it, or we break up as a country over it.

      I don’t think a lot of people realize what a watershed this is: I don’t know a single person IRL who doubts the steal. It is assumed that Biden stole the election. Fighting furiously against an audit which would clear Biden (if he’s innocent) just cements in the public mind that fraud happened. And what are people going to do if they start to believe that their vote doesn’t matter?

      • Retired Spook November 22, 2020 / 6:54 pm

        The only way I see us avoiding armed conflict is if Conservatives can counter the Left’s non-stop propaganda in a major way. I love Amazona’s idea of a wealthy Conservative or a consortium of wealthy Conservatives starting a TV network dedicated to the truth no matter whose ox is gored. Truth (no pun intended) be told, it’s not just Leftists who lie; there are plenty of so-called Republicans whose actions can’t stand the disinfecting qualities of sun light either. The neat thing about the “truth” is that it has no agenda and doesn’t need a majority to prevail. I think the majority of Americans literally thirst for a leader who is truthful.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 24, 2020 / 11:56 am

        This isn’t a thought exercise. Trump was a clear and present danger to the United States of America. None of you would have tolerated his kind of behavior out of any of the last five Democratic Party Presidents. None of you. This man was more dangerous to you than he was to any Liberal or Progressive because he fooled you into allowing him to be the de facto leader of the GOP for at least the next four years no matter the outcome of the 2020 election. This means even if Trump is in prison in 2024 (which is a very good possibility thanks to the Manhattan D.A.) your party has Tom Cotton as its standard bearer going into a race against Kamala Harris. So here’s my question: How does Tom Cotton get 73 million people out to vote for him without alienating 80 million to vote against him?

      • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 12:38 pm

        No. Freddy, this isn’t a thought. Period.

        President Trump did more in four years to unwind at least some of the control the Left had established over the State, to diminish at least some of its power, and to return federal government if not completely to Constitutional governance at least to get it moving in that direction. That is why the Left recognized him as—to finally use the word properly—an existential threat to its ongoing influence in this country. He not only actively worked to dismantle some of the structure of Leftist control in our government, he balanced that with the powerful example of how the free market system benefits all of us.

        For all the howling about what a “danger” he has been “to the United States of America” when one looks at his accomplishments one sees a productive and important shift to re-establishing the foundational principles of the nation and applying them to how the government is run. The only “danger” Trump has posed has been to the growing power and influence of the International Left as it has taken over the Democrat Party and tried to get the nation to abandon its sovereignty in favor of global governance which does not and never has had the interests of the United States at heart.

        It is funny to see Freddy chiming in with the same old pap the Left has been spewing. Funny, in that it stops with hyper-emotional snarling of words like “danger” and “fascist” and “dictator” and so on, without ever giving an example of any of these allegedly put into action by the president.

        I have to admit, it has been funny to watch the Left pretzel itself to promote Biden. Now they have adopted a man whose corruption has been based on his political identity and status, abusing the power of his position for personal enrichment that in some cases have endangered national security, after years of howling about the alleged corruption of a man whose alleged corrupt actions took place long before he entered public life and which had nothing to do with foreign relations, national security or illegal use of taxpayer dollars. After the screeching about “morality” they voted for a man who first destroyed the life of an innocent man by falsely claiming he was drunk when he was in the accident that killed Biden’s wife and then having a sordid affair with the married wife of a “friend” before finally marrying her. After the star chamber show trial of Trump for allegedly “abusing power” they lined up to lick the boots of a man who bragged about his abuse of power in using the threat of withholding delegated US funds to a foreign nation to block criminal investigations of his son.

      • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 11:58 am

        I get the concerns about armed conflict, I really do. But I keep coming back to the question of just who, on the Left, is going to be shooting. The anarchist mercenaries? There aren’t many of them and they didn’t sign on to be shot AT—they got hired to hurt other people, not to get themselves hurt. The braindead psychopaths who jump on the Antifa violence wagon because it gives them an excuse to strut around and act like bad guys? I don’t think so. BLM and the New Black Panthers? Not even a platoon, of those who would show up.

        How many people are going to show up out of Manhattan and Los Angeles and Seattle to go to war? Do we think Starbucks are going to empty out as people put down their half-caff non-fat half-soy no-foam lattes and march off to get shot at?

        So gummint agencies have been buying up hollow-point bullets at an alarming rate for years now. Does that mean that the Social Security Administration, one of the big buyers, has been secretly training double agents who fiddle numbers in the daytime but who are really highly trained military types?

        Look at a protest or march, and think of how many of those screeching foul-mouthed harridans waving their signs would be interested in armed conflict?

        The Left hides behind the power of the State, but that is mostly bureaucratic power. Even the power of the IRS is almost exclusively bureaucratic, depending on courts to enforce its authority. Who feeds the State? We do. We have the power to starve it. We have the power to defy it. When push comes to shove, the State, without its military and its police, is a clumsy bureaucratic behemoth. And the military and the police all have families they wouldn’t want to be in harm’s way.

        The problem with a domestic uprising is that it is not one where the fighting people go to another country to wage war, It is a war where people have to choose between fighting an Other or protecting their own. And there has to be motivation. I think the Left is highly motivated when it comes to wielding the power of the State and mouthing off from Greenwich Village penthouses or on lapdog media but seriously, who on the Left would seem to pose a threat in a face-to-face confrontation?

        Even with trolls, I don’t see muscular idea-based discourse, just whining, whimpering, simpering and regurgitation of what their masters have fed them.

        I do foresee violence, but I see it in urban centers where the populace has let the Left take over so there is no law enforcement deterrent. If Trump wins this legal battle, which would mean proving his legitimate claim to the presidency, I would expect those pockets of mercenary-led violence to be short-lived.

        I will say this: If pockets of overt violence and abuse of citizens were to develop and be ignored by the officials of that area, I would not mind a bit to see a well-disguised posse of citizens march in, mow down the miscreants and disappear into the population. That kind of armed conflict is really the only kind I would expect to occur and I would support that. I would not mind a bit to see 30 Antifa bodies lying in the street in Portland or Seattle, or anywhere else for that matter.

        I was in Peru the day the Peruvian/American coalition took back the Japanese embassy from Sendero Luminoso. I listened to the gun battle on the radio, out in the country, with machine gun fire and helicopters roaring in, and I saw the TV footage later with bodies strewn around the floor and President Fujimori stepping over the body of pretty girl sprawled on the stairs with her blood running down the steps. I wished we would have the same response here to terrorism, and I see the Antifa/BLM activity as terrorism. I’m fine with that, and if that is what you mean by “armed conflict” then I think it likely as a government response under a President Trump and as a citizen response under a “President” Barris.

        But massive armed conflict as in opposing sides going up against each other? I don’t see it.

      • Retired Spook November 24, 2020 / 1:30 pm

        But massive armed conflict as in opposing sides going up against each other? I don’t see it.

        I agree. As you say, it will start in the large metro areas. Those who have the physical and financial means will escape to stable red states/cities. It’ll suck to be those who can’t. Any incursions by Antifa/BLM into red areas will not end well for them. Kurt Schlichter has written 4 or 5 novels about such a break up, sprinkled with humorous bits about political correctness WRT things like transgenderism, but a good look at what might potentially lie ahead. I don’t think we can continue to co-exist if a Harris/Biden administration is successful in implementing the policies in the 110 page Bernie/Biden manifesto. And if the Democrat factions who want to punish Trump supporters gain any traction, then all bets are off. Holding the 2 Georgia senate seats and taking back the House in 2022 might limit the damage in the short term, but the one thing you can count on is that the Left NEVER quits.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 24, 2020 / 3:58 pm

        I’ll say this one last time. I was one of the few people in my bubble of comfy Liberals that thought had a chance to win in 2016 against Hillary Clinton. When Liberals I knew howled about Diebold voting machines I told them to shut up. When you lose you lose and when you lose to someone who doesn’t have the skills or the motivation to be President you pop popcorn and watch. I’ve watched for four years now and what I see in my time of victory over the forces of . . . wait no. Mark, we’ve battled for over a decade about politics, culture you name it we battled over it. You have every right in the world to believe all these conspiracy theories, shabby lawsuits brought by lawyers leaking oil, you can even drag QAnon in if you want.

        At the end of the day you know as well as I do all the bellyaching in the world isn’t going to keep Trump in office. I’m tired of watching him string fine people like all of you here along just because he knows his family is in a heap of trouble with Cyrus Vance Jr. Man what I would give to have Dwight D. Eisenhower back or heck even Barry Goldwater to make Republicans be, well Republicans again instead of these populist craving bandwagon fanatics who will follow whomever beats the drum the loudest. You guys are right about half the things you want America to be and in politics if you can get half of what you want you’ve won the war.

        Sure there were some people who were fools for Hillary in 2016, but truth be told she ran a crappy campaign. Trump got 73 million votes proving that if you employ the right strategy and blow your dog whistle loud enough not only will you set a record for conservative votes but you’ll get 11% of the Black vote as well. That’s pretty impressive. Enjoy that because it will never happen again. This was a one off for the Democrats and the GOP because CoVid. We missed turning Texas blue by a whisker and North Carolina is ready to drop in 2024.

        To sum up it’s just an election and we have bigger fish to fry. Nobody is going to go to war over an election. That’s just nonsense and makes conservatives look bad. “If I can’t have it no one will!” is what you always said we did. And one more thing. Looting and burning buildings in an expression of anger is what I WANT TO SEE ANTIFA DO. You read that right because the alternative would be an internecine bloodbath. All businesses are insured and can be replaced or restarted; death is a tragedy. Mark I promise to be civil if you promise to be rational.

        QCPN

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 1:03 pm

        Freddy, for all your pompous posturing as a political observer and pundit, all you ever do is regurgitate the distorted Leftist versions of reality..

        You Leftists act as if Donald Trump entered public life as a relative unknown who had flown far beneath the radar until he popped up on the political scene, and now—-finally—people are becoming aware of his former business dealings. But that is simply silly. Donald Trump has always been a larger-than-life figure, with highly publicized business dealings. He has been sued and had business information brought into court and examined. He has been repeatedly investigated and audited by the IRS. I don’t believe any private citizen has ever been so thoroughly examined, investigated and probed as Donald Trump. Throughout his long and colorful career in business he has acquired many enemies, for many reasons—business rivals, envy, greed ( such as women trying to extort money by claiming sexual misconduct) and plain old dislike because they were either treated badly by Trump or just didn’t like him.

        Yes, I admit people may have been treated badly by Trump, sometimes objectively so and sometimes just from a personal perspective. It happens, and the bigger the business the more toes get stepped on.

        But my point is, for many reasons Trump has been scrutinized to the Nth degree for about four decades now, for his business practices, his taxes, and every single aspect of his personal life. He has been out in front of the public eye, drawn vast amounts of attention and probably had more written about him, good and bad, than any other private citizen in this country.

        In a sad commentary on the morality and venality of life in America these days, there is no shortage of people ready and willing to throw Trump under any bus at any time, in exchange for legal favors, money or fame—-or any combination thereof.

        Now the Left, which sneers at what it calls “conspiracy theories”, is engaged in the biggest conspiracy theory out there—that it has knowledge and evidence of all sorts of wrongdoing committed by Trump over the years that have, for some reason, never been discovered, evaluated or investigated, and now, finally, THEY will be the ones to destroy him. And let’s be honest here—-destroying him is the goal.

        Why? The old reasons—envy, greed or just plain nastiness—pale in comparison to the need to destroy Trump now. And it has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that he is the figurehead of a movement that is, at its heart, focused on eroding and weakening (and hopefully eradicating) the chokehold the Left has on the government and culture of the United States.

        The Left has howled the phrase “EXISTENTIAL THREAT” for years now. It means a threat to the very existence of something, though the Left —through either ignorance or hysteria—–has tossed it around pretty casually. But President Donald Trump truly HAS posed an existential threat to the dominance of the Left in American government and the Left recognizes this and is focused, laser-like, on destroying not just the man but the movement that has coalesced around him. And the Left will not stop until it has, literally, destroyed him.

        Just listen to the rhetoric of the Left—they don’t want to stop until Donald Trump is in chains and sentenced to die in prison, they don’t want to stop until Donald Trump’s entire family is brought down and his business empire shattered. This will go down in history as the most insanely deranged obsessive toxic mix of political fear and personal hatred ever seen. It is truly an amazing thing to see.

        But there is a crucial element the Left has not recognized, because it is antithetical to the Leftist world view. Leftism is, in every aspect, a top-down construct. Its view of governance is top-down, a system in which a massively powerful Central Authority hands down rules for everyone, and its public political face is also top-down, one in which people are attracted to a central figure who becomes nearly a god to them and whom they revere and mindlessly follow. So the Left projects this perspective onto the rest of us, and they are wrong.

        People did not flock to Donald Trump for his personality and then adopt his message. They responded to the message, because he was saying what they/we have been thinking, and he has been just the figurehead for the message. This is what makes us, and him, so powerful—it is not really about Trump nearly as much as it is about the core belief system he represents.

        Ask a Leftist about his core belief system of government and his response will be about the person representing it. Ask someone on the Right about HIS core belief system of government and he will tell you about the Constitution, about the essential need for liberty and about government that gets its power FROM the people. Somewhere in there will be a reference, probably, to the people in politics who represent that belief system and form of government, but the person is never as important as the message. And inherent in this belief system is a commitment to fairness.

        So the Left can continue its fanatical crusade to destroy All That Is Trump—-and in doing so its blatant unfairness will make Trump a stronger figurehead for everything the Right stands for. Go ahead and martyr him, and in so doing add to the movement demanding less of the tyrannical government that makes such martyrdom possible.

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 1:26 pm

        Once again, a Leftist reveals the inherent weakness of the movement. Freddy says: Looting and burning buildings in an expression of anger is what I WANT TO SEE ANTIFA DO. You read that right because the alternative would be an internecine bloodbath. All businesses are insured and can be replaced or restarted; death is a tragedy.

        Here we see the innate lack of understanding of, or respect for, commerce. Here we see the concept of “insurance” as merely something that….IS. It is just there, somehow, with magic beans it can use to rebuild buildings, and of course a building is the same as a business.

        But an insurance company is a business, composed of individuals who have invested their personal money in it. It’s not some free-floating entity that just IS, somehow, and with an unlimited source of funding to replace what demented people have destroyed, This is all part of the Magical Thinking that dominates and sometimes drives Leftist “thought”.

        When demands on an insurance company become too great, the company fails, and that means the stockholders lose their investment.

        A business is not just a building. A business is a living thing, housed in a building but consisting of carefully built and nurtured relationships within its community. It takes a long time for a new business to become established and truly functional, and to become part of a community, as small businesses do.

        So what happens when a small business is wantonly destroyed? First of all, not all small businesses are insured, or insured to cover complete loss. Second, some insurance policies limit what kinds of damages are covered. Third, even if a business is fully insured, the business owners are without income while the building is being rebuilt. Fourth, it takes a vast amount of time and energy and thought to put together a business—to recreate inventory, for example. Fifth, by the time a building is rebuilt and restocked the owner has lost part of his customer base, which has had to go somewhere else to meet its needs and has developed new relationships with other businesses. Sixth, if the building is rebuilt and the inventory replaced the cost of insurance for the reconstructed business is going to be much higher, if it is even available given the location in a proven danger zone where it is likely to be destroyed again. Seventh, the emotional and financial cost to the business owner and his family is incalculable but huge, and there can be no real compensation for it. Eighth, the downstream impact of the loss of the business goes far beyond that of the owner, as creditors can’t be paid and they suffer, possibly to the point of losing some of their employees due to reduced revenue.

        None of this addresses the loss of jobs for those depending on those businesses, or the damage done to the community by losing those businesses, or the trauma of having to endure the violence that is part of the destruction of those businesses. Losing what you have spent years to build up, which is part of you and your identity as well as the financial support of you and your family and your employees is devastating.

        So this entire statement is nothing but shining a light into the dark room of Leftist ignorance of even the basics of commerce, economics, communities, human nature and the intricate fabric of society.

        It is not only callous and ignorant, it is stupid.

        And it is based on an assumption that when savage mobs feel like engaging in massive temper tantrums there is no way to control them, so we should let them take out their rage on businesses instead of killing people.

        How about this? Protect the citizens, protect the businesses, round up the mobs and put those criminals in prisons where they can’t prey on the innocent, and track down the people who fund them and put THEM in prison as well. And stop making excuses for them, and acting as if they are anything but profoundly defective predators who need to be stopped.

      • Retired Spook November 25, 2020 / 3:23 pm

        So this entire statement is nothing but shining a light into the dark room of Leftist ignorance of even the basics of commerce, economics, communities, human nature and the intricate fabric of society.

        Wait, I thought those were the areas of Fred’s expertise. Isn’t that what the D.S.V.J., O.Q.H stands for? Guess not.

  2. dbschmidt November 22, 2020 / 7:10 pm

    I have so much to say that I have nothing to say. Well, except as Grandma always noted “We are going to Hell in a hand basket.” Never really understood that one but I agree.

    Hear now that Sidney Powell is not a member of Trump’s legal team.

    Being in Information Technology for over 40 years, all I am sure of is this election was tampered with and that is provable beyond a doubt. The impossible and improbable have all shown up. There is no such thing as a “computer glitch”—computers do only what they are programmed to do.

    Win, lose or draw—if nothing major comes out about election fraud and major players don’t get some really hard time—then my belief in the electoral process has completely collapsed.

    The Government and the media have been lying to the population for as long as I can remember with Walter Cronkite and Gulf of Tonkin being a good starting point because of the entire “most trusted man in America” crap. The only ones benefiting from this continuous fabrication are the “news anchors” who appear to be auditioning for their new CCP masters.

    There are documented cases if I believe my lying eyes and ears of folks lying under oath before Congress that have not been hauled before court and it sounds like the intimidation factor and two-tiered legal system is at play again. Always knew Government was horribly corrupt but these past three plus years have shown me just how much more than even I believed. As someone on Twitchy stated “Governments are not to be trusted. They are to be restrained. That’s what the Constitution is for” but I feel that even that may have out-lived our now indoctrinated system.

    Mr. Smith has caught the last train out of Washington.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 24, 2020 / 11:58 am

      You just got outvoted. It happens all the time.

      • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 12:22 pm

        Moderator: Please leave this post, just to illustrate that the infamous Pitchfork is still thrashing around out there on the edge of oblivion, and its members are still flaunting invented “credentials”. They provided us with a lot of entertainment value back in the day, with their elaborate alphabets of imaginary degrees and their claims of things like “lead economist” and the addition of “USD” to every dollar amount cited.

        This is just a reminder that we do have lurkers, people who watch this blog even without participating. And some of them, evidently, are the Usual Suspects from days gone by.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 24, 2020 / 5:02 pm

        Amazona I hope I can entertain you with facts, real ones this time around. Like last time I don’t expect you to believe them but I’d be less than true to myself if I didn’t shine a light into a dark room.

      • Retired Spook November 24, 2020 / 7:01 pm

        Fred, can you honestly say, without your nose growing, that you believe the most corrupt vice President since Spiro Agnew, who/se:

        Stayed in his basement for 90% of the campaign

        is obviously in the early stages of dementia

        is the subject of numerous C-Span videos showing him touching women and young girls inappropriately

        according to his own Secretary of Defense Gates has never been right on any significant foreign policy decision in 47 years

        moved Left after the primaries when every predecessor in recent memory moved to the center

        lost 19 of 20 bellweather counties nationwide that have all voted for the eventual president in every election since 1980

        opponent received the highest percentage of minority votes of any Republican since Nixon

        most significant accomplishment in his 47 years in government service was enriching himself and his family.

        actually received 13 million more votes than Hillary Clinton did in 2016?

      • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 8:14 pm

        Freddy, your problem is that your “bright light” only illuminates fantasy, delusion and hysteria.

    • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 9:35 pm

      “fake but accurate”

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 25, 2020 / 10:18 am

        You mean like, “alternative facts?”

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 11:11 am

        You do realize the source of that quotation, don’t you? You do realize it was an effort to defend out-and-out media lies centering around a forged document, don’t you? “Alternate facts” = lies

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 25, 2020 / 11:43 am

        I was referring to Ms. Conway’s defense of Sean Spicer’s lies about the size of Trump’s inaugural crowd. She stated that the press secretary gave “alternative facts.” That was 22 January 2017. My how time flies!

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 12:13 pm

        Meow

        But my comment was about the origin of the infamous “fake but accurate” quotation of Dan Blather. Conway’s comment can easily be understood as an effort to explain, on the fly, in a TV interview, why different people had different perspectives of crowd size, and landing on a clumsy phrase. It has certainly come back to bite her, as the rabid Left pounced on it and won’t let it go.

  3. dbschmidt November 23, 2020 / 8:20 pm

    Two things I have noticed over the years is for the most part honest politicians write laws that are passed in a bi-partisan manner and never need the court systems. The rest create crap that depends on the court system. Even the TV show Star Trek got that: Capt. Picard “…a courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product – the truth, for all time.” If there is no fraud or minuscule then why are both sides not pushing this to a reasonable conclusion. Ockham’s razor comes to mind.

    I would like to see one item per bill and a vote with everyone on record. I consider myself an honest man who has worked for everything (what little) I have and I can easily live off my property and basically work from almost anywhere in the world. Even though I prefer to leave the vast majority of my “hunting & fishing” up to a trip to my butcher or fish monger these days. I would say I would have liked to have seen redistricting done this time following the Census using something simple and in the Constitution–postal districts. Start from the center out and divide or split when enough people have met the requirement. Then be a CongressCritter for all your constituents. Now I say “Gerrymander Away.”

    A note for the losers that are pests here and deserve no response. Why? When you overlook people lying under oath before Congress and say nothing. Or tabulating machines performing at 10x their maximum capacity without a flaw or jam–you are too dense to even try to reach or have a conversation with.

    Plus an agreement with Spook but on a different note which I find disheartening The great historian of post-revolutionary America, Alexis de Tocqueville, understood this very well. “When…men attack religious beliefs, they are following their emotions not their interests. Tyranny may be able to do without faith, but freedom cannot.” (stole that somewhere). Based on the difference of the French & American wars and there outcomes–now it appears that we as a nation might be following the French.

    I am not giving up nor surrendering one foot but it will be a tough slog to undo what every nation trying to destroy America has been doing to us forever. Let us just hope this bombshell is a nuclear one but what I have already seen is it has awoken a vast many of people that were just sitting on the sidelines just a year or two ago.

    • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 9:40 pm

      DB, for years now I have been saying we should get rid of all omnibus bill and have each bill address only one thing and be of a limited length—and be written by its sponsor.

      I also think committees should be created in the House and in the Senate to go back over bills that have been defective and then instead of being replaced with better ones just had legislative bandaids slapped onto them. These “fixes” tend to create new problems, which then get new “fixes”. Such bills should be scrapped and replaced with new, concise bills that specifically address the issues at hand.

  4. Retired Spook November 23, 2020 / 9:14 pm

    A caller to Rush today said something that I had thought about commenting on right after the election. I decided it sounded too much like a conspiracy theory, even though the information that would have confirmed or refuted it was seemingly scrubbed from the Internet. The caller said that Doug Collins actually beat Kelly Loeffler in one of the 2 Georgia senate races, and should be in the runoff against Warnock. A day or so after the election I saw Kelly Loeffler being interviewed, and it showed the percentage she got (26%) and Warnock (32%), but didn’t show the percentage Collins got. 26 and 32 add up to 58, leaving 32% for someone else. Now there may have been a Libertarian candidate who got more than 7%, but I searched for the final vote results for that 3-way race in every way I could think of, and there was just nothing.

    Before typing this I thought I’d search one more time, and this time I found this article from First Coast News which showed Warnock with 32%, Loeffler with 26%, and later in the article says that Collins was at 22% when he tweeted a concession to Loeffler. It turns out there WAS a Libertarian candidate, Brian Slowinski, who got, as best I can ascertain, less than 3%, which leaves 17% unaccounted for. Something just doesn’t add up, unless there were several lesser candidate which I’ve never found any mention of. Has anyone here heard or read anything about that race?

    • Retired Spook November 24, 2020 / 12:58 pm

      Thanks. I figured there had to be an explanation. I never thought to look at the Georgia SOS site.

  5. Retired Spook November 24, 2020 / 10:39 am

    I’m shaking in my boots.

    ‘They should be afraid’
    “I’m — I don’t know what — what logic they’re using except they’re just afraid,” De Niro replied. “They should be afraid of what’s gonna happen later when he’s not around, and they’re gonna try and crawl back, the ones that would have the gall to try and crawl back. It’s gonna be — it’s going to be interesting to see.”

    It’s going to be interesting to see alright, but not in the way he thinks. I really hope they try to persecute the “sleeping giant.”

    • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 11:04 am

      I saw that blustering and it reminded me of the old TV ad: “I’m not really a doctor but I play one on TV”. This version is “I’m not really a tough guy but I HAVE played tough guys in movies”.

      My reaction to this was “Hey, Bobby D, you know what WOULD be interesting? Having you and some of your Greenwich Village weenies go after ANYONE. Do me a favor and come after me first. That would be fun.”

      What this statement telegraphs is the innate Leftist concept of personality cult and obedience to a master—this is how they think, so they assume everyone does. Donald Trump did not lift 72,000,000 Americans up into a cult following him: More than 72,000,000 Americans lifted HIM up to represent us and our nation.

      As usual, the Left has it all backwards.

  6. dbschmidt November 24, 2020 / 10:55 am

    Now I am surprised that they didn’t name the two turkeys to be pardoned ‘Corn’ & ‘Pop’. A couple of bad dudes.

  7. Cluster November 24, 2020 / 12:09 pm

    I would not mind a bit to see a well-disguised posse of citizens march in, mow down the miscreants and disappear into the population. That kind of armed conflict is really the only kind I would expect to occur and I would support that. I would not mind a bit to see 30 Antifa bodies lying in the street in Portland or Seattle, or anywhere else for that matter.

    Amen

    • Amazona November 24, 2020 / 9:24 pm

      Let me point out that I am talking about taking out people who are in the midst of threatening, injuring or killing people, and/or destroying property. That is, the people doing the deeds.

      Not just getting all fired up and going out to wreak havoc upon people who weren’t there when the misdeeds were being done.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 25, 2020 / 11:46 am

      Is there any situation where you would see the Proud Boys or the Bogaloo Bois as “miscreants?”

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 11:52 am

        Yes

  8. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] November 25, 2020 / 10:56 am

    Stayed in his basement for 90% of the campaign

    1) Smart move in the midst of a global pandemic

    is obviously in the early stages of dementia

    2) Holy Joe seems pretty sharp to me for a man of his age

    is the subject of numerous C-Span videos showing him touching women and young girls inappropriately

    3) I can’t verify this, but I do know Joe Biden is a very touchy feely old dude. And no one has accused Biden of raping them in a department store dressing room with DNA evidence

    according to his own Secretary of Defense Gates has never been right on any significant foreign policy decision in 47 years

    4) He wasn’t wrong he was in opposition to hawks like Gates and those who support the Military Industrial Complex

    moved Left after the primaries when every predecessor in recent memory moved to the center

    5) He was up against an actual socialist so. ..

    lost 19 of 20 bellweather counties nationwide that have all voted for the eventual president in every election since 1980

    6) They were wrong

    opponent received the highest percentage of minority votes of any Republican since Nixon

    7) 13% not earth shattering

    most significant accomplishment in his 47 years in government service was enriching himself and his family.

    8) That’s just partisan opinion. If you come out of 47 years in Congress poor you’re doing it wrong.

    • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 11:50 am

      (1) Hmmm. So it makes sense for the man who says he wants to lead the country to hide in his basement because of a “global pandemic”.? As if the virus was the real reason Joe was being kept out of the public eye as much as possible. Yeah, right.

      (2) “Holy” Joe seems pretty sharp to me for a man of his age. “Holy”? The list of proofs of Joe’s mental decline is far too long to go into here. We can just look at him on Election Night, first confusing his two granddaughters, then introducing one of them as his son Beau (who died in 2015) and then thanking the people of Pennsylvania for helping Beau in his run for the Senate (though Beau never ran for the Senate and if he had he wouldn’t have been running in Pennsylvania).

      (3) Joe didn’t assault a woman in a department store dressing room but in the hallway of his office building. Seven other women have made similar accusations of sexual advances ranging from the digital penetration of one to various kinds of kissing and fondling. The vides show him actually massaging and tweaking the breasts of young girls, many young girls, in a disgusting pattern of child sexual abuse.

      (No one would believe that a large and imposing and highly recognizable (famous, especially in New York) man could somehow slip unseen into a dressing room of a large department store and then in complete silence RAPE a woman who made no outcry or effort to get help. Well, no one but a TDS loon, that is. And “DNA evidence”? That’s new. Gee, I wonder what might have prompted her to save “DNA evidence” for 25 years or so. You people are ridiculous.)

      (4) Joe :… was in opposition to hawks like Gates and those who support the Military Industrial Complex: Really? What did he do? What did he say? What was the nature and form of this “opposition”?

      (5) Read the comment, Freddy. He moved to the left AFTER the primary so what difference would it have made that IN the primary “he was up against an actual socialist”. And then, BTW, he picked an actual socialist to be his running mate.

      (6) Your only response to Trump’s winning traditional bellwether counties is that this time “they were wrong”. Maybe. We will see.

      (7) So now a significant gain in minority support is snidely dismissed because you don’t think it was “earth shattering”. Well, I guess now that Fake-Cred Freddy has spoken, that topic is laid to rest!

      (8) If you come out of 47 years in Congress poor you’re doing it wrong. Do tell us, Freddy, just what in half a century of incompetent “public service” SHOULD make a man richer than when he started. What about being in Congress and then Vice President of the United States SHOULD make a man rich? Come on, man. You’ve given us a peek into the mentality of the Left here, so fill in the details for us.

      Your problem here is that your knee-jerk obsession with arguing with people on the Right means that in this case you are in the position of trying to defend a man who is, in every possible way, indefensible. And, true to form, you sound like an idiot when you try.

      • Retired Spook November 25, 2020 / 12:39 pm

        Amazona beat me to the punch, and did it better than I would have. I would only add that I actually know Jeanie Carroll who accused Trump of raping her in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman. Jeanie was in my wife’s 1961 class at South Side High School in Fort Wayne, Indiana. I’ve met and spoken with her at several class reunions. No one that my wife knows from that class believes Jeanie’s accusation. Throughout high school and even more so at Indiana University, she was what people from our generation would described as “morally loose.”

        BTW, she claims to have DNA evidence, but, as far as I know she’s never had it tested or compared to Trump or anyone else. I’d echo Amazona’s comment — who keeps a semen-stained dress for 25 years in the hope of using it at some advantageous time in the future?

      • Amazona November 25, 2020 / 1:36 pm

        Interesting—I didn’t know you and your wife know Trump’s accuser.

        Her high school reputation reminds me of that of DOCTOR Christine Blasey Ford, Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, whose high school nickname was a takeoff on her maiden name—Blasey—but was transformed into Blowsey, for her reputation for providing oral sex upon request.

        And the Left hangs a lot of its other squealing about Trump on a woman who not only gets paid to have sex, she gets paid to have sex in front of cameras so strangers can watch.

      • Retired Spook November 25, 2020 / 4:58 pm

        Yeah, Jeanie’s one of the few “celebrities” I know. She was a real babe in high school and college. If you’ve seen the photos of her in connection with her lawsuit against Trump, she hasn’t aged well. There are lots of photos of her on-line. Google (or Duck Duck Go) E. Jean Carroll early photos.

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